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CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF EDGEWATER
REGULAR MEETING HELD
April 4, 1977
Vice Mayor Dietz called the regular meeting of the City Council of the
City of Edgewater to order Monday, April 4, 1977 at 7:30 P.M.
ROLL CALL:
Mayor Dana T. Armstrong
Councilwoman Ryta F. Webber
Councilman Henry C. Riggs
Councilman Walter B. Sikes
Vice Mayor Calvin R. Dietz
City Attorney Judson I. Woods
City Clerk Sue Blackwell
Police Chief Earl Baugh
Excused
Present
Present
Present
Present
Present
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Present
INVOCATION:
SALUTE TO FLAG:
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Councilman Sikes stated that there are two corrections to be made to the minutes.
One being on page 2, roll call vote passed 3 to 1 not 4 to 1, and on page 5,
it was Mr. John Gross, not Mr. Walter Gross. Councilman Sikes made a motion to
accept the minutes as corrected, being seconded by Councilwoman Webber. Upon
roll call vote said motion CARRIED, 4-0.
BILLS AND ACCOUNTS:
Vice Mayor Dietz asked for any questions on the bills in the General Fund account.
The City Clerk answered some questions in regard to the bills. There remained
some question about the bill from Case Power & Equipment. The City Clerk stated
that she will look into this.
There was some discussion about the pipe which the City is getting from Maule
Industries. It was decided that this bill be held until some investigation
can be made.
Councilman Sikes asked about the pipe being damaged when we moved it? He asked
if we moved the pipe or if it is where Maule unloaded it?
Councilman Riggs stated that the pipe is in the condition it was in when Maule
loaded it.
The City Clerk answered other various questions on the bills.
Councilman Riggs made a motion to pay the bills with the exception of the bill
from Maule Industries, being seconded by Councilwoman Webber. Upon roll call
vote said motion CARRIED, 4-0.
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Vice Mayor Dietz asked for questions on the bills for the Water and Wastewater
account. He answered various questions about these bills.
Councilwoman Webber made a motion to pay the bills in the Water and Wastewater
account, being seconded by Councilman Sikes. Upon roll call vote said motion
CARRIED, 4-0.
COMMUNICATIONS:
The City Clerk read a letter from Judson I. Woods, Jr., stating that he will
accept the position of City Attorney of Edgewater upon the same terms and
conditions that William Gillespie was employed.
The City Clerk read a letter from Roger L. Berry, stating that he would be
happy to represent the City on the same conditions also that William Gillespie
was employed. .
Councilman Sikes made a motion that we hire Mr. Judson I. Woods, Jr. as our
City Attorney at a retainer fee of $250.00 a month plus $40.00 per hour,
being seconded by Councilwoman Webber. Upon roll call vote said motion
CARRIED, 4-0.
Vice Mayor Dietz stated that a Resolution should be drawn up for our next
meeting making this official.
Vice Mayor Dietz stated that there will be a VCOG - VCATS meeting on April 6,
1977 at 1 :30 P.M. He added that he thinks that it would be in order to have
Mrs. Webber attend this meeting because she is our representative and is doing
a good job.
There was some discussion about this. Councilwoman Webber stated that if
Mayor Armstrong isn't at the meeting we will not have a vote.
Councilman Sikes made a motion that in the event that Mr. Armstrong can not
represent the City of Edgewater at the VCATS meeting, that Mrs. Webber be
appointed as an alternate, and that VCATS be advised of such appointment,
being seconded by Councilman Riggs.
Tape lB
Mrs. Murphy asked some questions about the duel representation at these meetings,
and whether a written report is made by the alternate to justify the pay that
they get. She stated that she has been told that the accounts need a written
report from the people to justify the money that they are paid.
Vice Mayor Dietz stated that maybe some Cities require this, but our City does
not.
Councilman Sikes stated that three of the Council members of New Smyrna Beach
attended the meeting on the 23rd of March.
Upon roll call on the motion, said motion CARRIED, 4-0.
Vice Mayor Dietz stated that we should make a motion that the Mayor also attend
this meeting because if you read the Ordinance, in order for the Mayor to get
paid he has to have permission from the Council to go.
Councilman Sikes made a motion that the Mayor attend this meeting, being seconded
by Councilwoman Webber. Upon roll call vote said motion CARRIED, 4-0.
The City Clerk stated that we received a notice from the Department of
Environmental Regulation that as of May 1 there must be two feet of final
cover, graded and slopped to 2% to prevent puddling and draining out at the
landfill.
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Vice Mayor Dietz recommended that this letter be given to Mr. Riggs for him
to take care of.
Councilman Riggs stated that he already has complied with this. He answered
several questions about this.
The City Clerk read a letter from Lilian Beutel in regard to paving Guava
Street.
Councilman Riggs stated that he would like to find a way to appropriate some
money so we can get some paving done.
Vice Mayor Dietz again stated that this letter should be referred to Mr. Riggs,
so he can answer it.
The City Clerk read a report from Charles Murphy, Building Official, together
with the bill in the amount of $2,636.60.
Councilman Sikes made a motion to pay the bill submitted by the Building Official,
being seconded by Councilman Riggs. Upon roll call vote said motion CARRIED, 4-0.
The City Clerk read a letter from Briley, Wild and Associates in regard to
the Sewage Treatment Plant expansion. The letter states that they concur
with the request of McMahan Construction Company in regard to their request
for the return of their Builders Risk Insurance Policy.
Councilman Sikes asked if we should get something from Fr. H.A. that they
concur with our engineers.
Vice Mayor Dietz stated that if we are satisfied, they are satisfied.
He said that he and the Mayor met with the men from Fr.H.A. and they told
the Mayor that this is strictly a policy of the City, and the City would
be the deciding factor. The Mayor asked Briley, Wild to submit this letter.
There was more discussion about this. Councilman Sikes made a motion that we
return the Builders Risk Policy to McMahan Construction Company upon our having
a binder in our files, being seconded by Councilman Riggs.
The City Clerk was instructed to have all of the information ready for the
insurance coverage by next week's meeting.
Upon roll call on the motion, said motion CARRIED, 4-0.
AUDIENCE MISCELLANEOUS:
Mr. Taylor asked Vice Mayor Dietz if he stated that he and the Mayor met
with the engineers?
Vice Mayor Dietz stated that they met with Mr. McGough, Mr. Kuyk, Mr. Fernandez
and if you are thinking about the Sunshine Law, it is not a violation because
they did not legislate in any way.
Mr. Taylor stated that when two or more Councilmembers meet, a written report
should be filed at once.
Vice Mayor Deitz stated that the law says for the intent to legislate, and we
did not legislate because we were there strictly to hear the laws governing
the closing of this deal. He added that the entire Council was informed at
our last meeting that Mr. McGough would be here the following morning, and
that the Mayor and Mr. Dietz would meet with him. He stated that you do have
the right to go to the State's Attorney and file a complaint if he so wishes.
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RESOLUTIONS:
None
ORDINANCES:
Vice Mayor Dietz stated that we have two Ordinances for the first reading:
ORD. NO. 972
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ARTICLE II SECTION 200 OF ORDINANCE NO. 880 OF THE
CITY OF EDGEWATER, FLORIDA BY REDEFINING THE DEFINITION OF IIHOME OCCUPA-
TIONII, REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES OR RESOLUTIONS IN CONFLICT HEREWITH AND
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
Attorney Woods read the Ordinance in full.
Councilwoman Webber made a motion to adopt this Ordinance, being seconded
by Councilman Riggs. Upon roll call vote said motion CARRIED, 4-0.
ORD. NO. 973
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 880, PROVIDING FOR THE REZONING OF CERTAIN
LOTS IN FLORIDA SHORES SUBDIVISION, EDGEWATER, FLORIDA, FROM ITS EXISTING
ZONING CLASSIFICATION OF R-1B TO THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION OF B-2, AND PRO-
VIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
Attorney Woods read the Ordinance in full.
Councilwoman Webber made a motion to adopt this Ordinance, being seconded
by Councilman Sikes. Upon roll call vote said motion CARRIED, 4-0.
OLD BUSINESS:
Vice Mayor Dietz stated that we have a letter from May, Zima and Company
in regard to the computer which we talked with him about. He said that
he got a copy of the contract, as well as did the rest of the Council.
He stated that he does not agree with the contract, but it is up to the
Council to make a decision.
Councilwoman Webber stated that she feels that there are a number of
changes that should be made.
Vice Mayor Dietz stated that he spoke with Mr. Cunningham and the paragraph
about the computer remaining the property of May, Zima should not be in here.
He added that one of our citizens has called numerous companies and they have
contacted us indicating that they are interested in bidding on this. He
stated that the City Clerk has been talking with some of these companies and
we have informed them that they should come up with compatible programs com-
parable to something that May, Zima has offered and give us a price. We
should have some of these figures on this by next Monday night, and in the
meantime we can get this back to May, Zima so that they can amend this con-
tract letter.
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Councilman Sikes stated that sometime back about the 1st of November, the
City Clerk called quite a few places about this and told them what our
problem was. He stated that it is not quite fair, because the gentleman
who made the calls to these companies was at our meeting and he knows the
prices that were discussed. He added that if we can get a better deal,
fine, but he doesn't think that it puts May, Zima in a comparable position.
He is a little upset about why they didn't come to us last November when we
called them. He added that he would be interested in what they have to offer.
Councilman Sikes made a motion that we table this until next week, because
the letter from May, Zima needs to be corrected, where it reads in the first
paragraph where it says lIextensionll.
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There was more discussion about the computer system.
Councilman Sikes stated that if we can get a better and cheaper program from
some other person, than he is all for this, but by sticking with May, Zima,
this will cut down our audit bill approximately in 1/3, which will take care
of the monthly maintenance charge.
Mr. LaHatt, from N.C.R. spoke to the Council about their computer system.
There was more discussion about the contract offered by May, Zima and the
other programs.
Vice Mayor Dietz stated that he feels that we should send the letter back
to May, Zima and tell them the changes that we want made and how we feel.
There was some question as to whether we have to go out on bids for this.
There were some questions from the audience and conversation about this.
Councilwoman Webber stated that she will second the motion to table this
until next week.
Vice Mayor Dietz stated that we should get all of the information from these
other companies.
Upon roll call vote said motion CARRIED, 4-0.
The City Clerk read a certification of bids in answer to an ad in regard
to the purchase of a trencher.
The City Clerk opened the bids that she received, and read them to the
Council.
Vice Mayor Dietz stated that he would like to recommend that we table this
decision until he and Mr. Kuyk can get together and discuss the bids.
Councilman Riggs made a motion to table this until next week, being seconded
by Councilwoman Webber. Upon roll call vote said motion CARRIED, 4-0.
Tape 2B
Councilwoman Webber stated that Mr. Sayes of the Department of Community
Affairs will come here on April 14th, and so will Mr. Sikorski from the
County, to speak to us about the 701 Plan. She stated that if we get
the money that we want it will cost us $5,624 for this year's planning,
if we do not get it, it will cost us $16,920. She went on to explain
further about this planning.
Councilman Sikes stated that he has an item that he would like us to check
into. When the Edgewater State Bank was granted a variance, he believes
there was a limitation timewise on that variance as far as extending the
property lines. We should check into this, because that Charter has been
denied. He added that they should be advised on this.
The City Clerk was instructed to get this straightened out.
Vice Mayor Dietz stated that we have to have twenty fire plugs which will
cost us about $9,000. He asked if the General Fund wants to buy these
and keep the rates at $50 a year or should the Water Department buy them
and increase the rental on the plugs?
Councilman Riggs asked why the Water Department and General Fund go in
together and pay for these and hold this the same as it was?
Vice Mayor Dietz stated that this is fine, we can split the cost with the
City right down the middle. He suggested that the City Council instruct
the City Clerk to advertise for bids on twenty fire plugs. She can get the
specifications from Mr. Kuyk.
Councilman Sikes asked if we would get a price break if we ordered more?
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There was more discussion about this, Vice Mayor Dietz stated that this is
something that has to be done.
NEW BUSINESS:
The City Clerk read a report from Mr. Robert Christy, Civil Defense
Coordinator. A copy of which will be attached to these minutes due to
its length. This was a report on the Civil Defense Drill held April 2, 1977.
Vice Mayor Dietz stated to Mr. Christy that it looks like he has not done
a very good job in instructing these people in what to do.
Mr. Christy stated that he can not instruct the people if they don't come
to the meetings to listen.
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Vice Mayor Dietz stated that if there is a problem between the Fire Chief
and the Police Department, he had better get with Mrs. Webber and have them
directed as to how they should react. This should be worked out on a com-
patable basis between the Civil Defense and the departments.
Mr. Christy stated that he gave out a paper on the operation plans about
a year ago to all of the department heads. He explained that a lot of
time was put into this plan. He has never had problems before until the
last year or so. The only one who gave him any reply was the Police Chief
and the Rescue, no one else had the curtiousy to give him a reply.
Vice Mayor Dietz stated that the Mayor is the Coordinator for the Civil
Defense of the City, and he should be responsible to see that these people
do know their jobs and position and what they are to do. He thinks that
a letter from Mr. Christy to the Mayor req~esting that these people be in-
structed as part of their jobs that they do abide by these rules and what
these regulations are going to be, because this is important. He feels
that Mr. Christy should work closely with the Mayor.
Mr. Christy stated that he has sent letters out, and what more can be done?
There was more discussion on the emergency operation plan, and what would
be done in certain emergency situations.
The City Clerk read a request for expenses to attend school April 11 through
15 at Wildwood on Radiological Defense Instructor workshop. The amount re-
quested is $20 per day plus mileage, which totals to less than $125.
Councilman Riggs made a motion to send Mr. Christy to this school, being
seconded by Councilwoman Webber. Upon roll call vote said motion CARRIED,
4-0.
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Mr. Mackie spoke to the Council, that they were not instructed what to do,
and if he is going to be Assistant Coordinator he wants to be told, or he
will not be Assistant Coordinator.
Vice Mayor Dietz stated to Mr. Christy that they were just told that Mr.
Mackie could tell them in the case of an emergency what to do, and if he
doesn1t know, how can he tell them?
Mr. Christy explained that if he tells everyone what he is going to do
before he does it, then you will be prepared. The object of this drill
was to find out what all of the departments were going to do. He added
that he was not going to bring this up, but since Mr. Mackie brought it
up he will continue. Mr. Mackie was informed by Sandy (P.O. dispatcher)
to report to the Police Department. He did not report here until after
the whole thing was over. He also stated that two years ago with another
emergency he was given instructions, and he did not follow the instructions.
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Vice Mayor Dietz stated that the personal grievances should be taken care of
between Mr.1Cnristy, Mr. Mackie and the Mayor. He also stated that when a
drill like this is going to take place, the City Council is entitled to know
whether this is for real or just a drill, because it puts them in a bad
position. We do not want a panic situation.
Mr. Christy stated that he would like this tabled so that we can discuss
it when the Mayor is present.
Vice Mayor Dietz asked for a roll call on the previous motion about the
school.
Upon roll call vote said motion CARRIED, 4-0.
Vice Mayor Dietz stated that he wants the Council to realize that we are
in dire need of another well. He stated that he has instructed Briley,
Wild to procede with the permits from the County and also from the Board
of Health, which he hopes we get because if we don't we will be forced
to hook up to New Smyrna Beach. He would like the Council to make a
motion that we instruct Briley, Wild to give us the specifications and
the City Clerk will advertise for bids for installation for a new well
and new pump and a water main line to the main system. He added that
it will be 1800 feet from the Number 2 well, which is a good position
that has been approved by the County and D.E.R.
Vice Mayor Dietz answered some questions in regard to this from the other
Council members. He stated that he would like a motion that we go ahead
and instruct the City Clerk to advertise for bids on the installation of
a well and pump and a raw water main line from the well to our present
system.
Councilman Riggs stated that he will make that a motion, being seconded
by Councilman Sikes.
Vice Mayor Dietz answered some questions from the audience.
Upon roll call vote said motion CARRIED, 4-0.
Councilman Riggs spoke to the Council about the Street Department needing
a mulching machine. He stated that he has no idea how much a machine like
this will cost so he would like to get some bids.
After some discussion on this, Councilman Riggs made a motion that we go
out for bids on a mulching machine.
Councilman Sikes stated that he would like to know how much money we are
talking about. He added that he hates to put companies in the position
to where they are bidding on something and we know we don't have the money
to buy from them.
Councilman Riggs stated that he does not know how much it will cost.
It was decided that Councilman Riggs should find out more about this, and
come back to the Council with some figures.
Councilman Riggs withdrew his motion.
Mrs. Murphy spoke to the Council about this. She stated that she brought
this up two years ago, and she understands that Ormond has this type of
equipment and perhaps he could talk with them.
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MISCELLANEOUS:
Councilwoman Webber stated that she has had copies made for all of the
Council of the 701 Planning application.
Vice Mayor Dietz stated that they now have water lines past 16 houses
that are not on the water system, and they are going to send a letter
to notify all of these people that they will have to connect to the
water system.
ADJOURNMENT:
Councilwoman Webber made a motion to adjourn, being seconded by Councilman
Riggs. Said motion CARRIED.
MINUTES TAKEN BY:
Sue Blackwell
Debbie Sigler
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GENERAL FUND:
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BILLS AND ACCOUNTS
April 4, 1977
Southern Bell City Hall, Fire
Florida Power & Light Recreation
William Rickelman P.O.
News & Observer City Council & Boards
General Fund Petty Cash
Larry Gibson Street
Judson I. Woods City Attorney
Harris Builders Of Vo. Library addition
Public Safety'Devices E.V.E.R.
Goodyear Service P.O.
Scotty1s C.D.
Beacon Medical C.D., E.V.E.R.
Edgewater Electric Recreation
New Smyrna Builders Supply E.V.E.R.
Kuston Signals, Inc. P.O.
Case Power & Equipment Street
McRoberts Tires Street
Edgewater Tractor & Hydraul ic Street
J.J. Vaughn Ford Mercury Street
Bennett Truck Equipment Street
Maule Industries Street Paving & Improvements
WATER AND WASTEWATER:
Southern Bell
Florida Power & Light
City of Edgewater Gen.
City of Edgewater Gen.
Burroughs Corp.
Maule Industries
Rinker
Moreland Chemicals
All State Pipe Supply
B & H Sales
New Smyrna Builders Supply
Perma Craft
Quint City Barricade
Eagle Army Navy
Sieg & Ambachtsheer, Inc.
Hall Machine Works
Sav-On Util ity Supply
Wastewater
Wastewater
Water and Wastewater
Water Dept.
Water and Wastewater
Wastewater
Wastewater and Water
Water and Wastewater
Water
Water
Water and Wastewater
Wastewater
Water
Water
Water
Water
Water
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304.71
57.74
150.00
29.08
37.53
28.17
70.00
6,453.52
210.85
64.38
39.87
268.42
691.00
17.75
985.00
I ,042.62
8.00
15.00
207.28
1,722.00
2,465.28
14,868.20
55.20
27.71
8.58
4.96
40.15
242.46
167.67
675.00
127.77
482.76
67. II
81.25
78.45
119.76
200.00
24.00
703.81
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