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11-24-1975 - Regular ~- i o o CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF EDGEWATER, FLORIDA REGULAR MEETING HELD NOVEMBER 24, 1975 ,,,,"'11'(, ,..1i{~l~ '.~~< t, w,'~ "1 \l"~ (~ , ~. 0'1. ~ ~!,!,) 1;\ \~.~~ .~, ~m \k:tfJ \.;...~~~ -a ~ 4\ {} ~h ~~,\'~j-:~. 'il p~; .,.r,),J "'-... '\J ';" ,;;0; Tape 1 Side A o min. The regular meeting of the City Council of the City of Edgewater was called to order Monday, November 24,1975, at 7:30 P.M. by Mayor Dana T. Armstrong. ROLL CALL Mayor Dana T. Armstrong Councilwoman Ryta F. Webber Councilman William H. Cairnie Councilman Walter B. Sikes Councilman Calvin R. Dietz City Manager N. Dale Bryant City Attorney Joseph E. Weaver Assistant Attorney Jim Davis City Clerk Sue Blackwell Acting Chief Mc Call Present Present Present Present Present Present Excused Present Present Present INVOCATION SALUTE TO FLAG APPROVAL OF MINUTES Councilman Sikes made a motion to approve the minutes of the regular meeting held November 13, 1975, being seconded by Councilman Cairnie. Upon roll call vote said motion CARRIED. BILLS AND ACCOUNTS The City Clerk explained that there are some corrections on the bills that they should be aware of: We deleted one in the amount of $40.00, the R.E. Morris bill was l~ more when we checked, also, Mayor Armstrong, Councilwoman Webber and Council- man Cairnie all had bills put in for meetings, the total General Fund is $4,219.15. Mrs. Webber questioned the Briley, Wild bill. The City Clerk explained that the actual bill was a good bit more, but we are only paying $84.10 for priliminary investigation on the Indian Harbor Estates and $50.37 on the work they did for the sewer permit from the State. Councilman Sikes questioned the bill from State of Florida, Department of Commerce? Mayor Armstrong stated that this is the unemployment compensation. Councilman Cairnie made a motion to pay the bills, being seconded by Councilwoman Webber. Upon roll call vote said motion CARRIED. 1 - ~ o o Tape 1 Side A 5 min. COMMUNICATIONS Water and Sewer Revenue Fund report General Fund Cash Statement General Fund Budget report Certification City Manager Bryant read a request from the Merit Board for certain information concerning the City employees and their evaluation sheets. 10 min. Councilman Dietz stated that we turned this request down one time before, because we felt that it was too personal. Mr. Bryant explained that the first three items are new requests from the Merit Board, however the last item in regard to the evaluation sheets was turned down. Mayor Armstrong stated that in other words, if we grant the request, it is a matter of including that which was turned down by the previous Council, and he asked what the Council's pleasure was. Councilman Cairnie made a motion to deny the request, being seconded by Councilman Dietz. Mr. John Gross spoke to the Council as a member of the Merit Board, stating that the Merit Board was not notified that they were turned down; every request they make is either tabled or they do not hear a thing about it. Councilman Sikes stated that the Merit Board has been doing a good Job, all they are asking for is the information that they are entitled to have. Councilman Dietz stated that it states nowhere on the ballot that the Merit Board will participate anyway in the salaries, duties or anything of the employees, they are strictly a grie- vance board for the employees. Mayor Armstrong stated that he has not had a chance to research this, he feels that the intent was for it to be a grievance board, however a lot was added to it. He stated that he cer- tainly doesn't want to take away from them what the people voted for at the poles. Councilman Sikes stated that he sees no reason for not giving the Merit Board what they are asking for, with the exception of the last item. 15 min. Mr. Bryant read the request again for the Council. Councilman Cairnie stated that if this information was given to the Merit Board, it will become public record, and he feels that a person's evaluation sheet is private. Mr. Paul Walls stated that when we designed this charter to be put on referendum before the people it was not only a grie- vance board, it was for the evaluations of the employees. Councilman Cairnie stated that the people approved a Merit Board, but the Council drew up an Ordinance with all of these other things into it. Councilman Sikes stated that he feels that the purpose of the Merit Board was to take the City employees out of that phase of politics, and it looks as though we are throwing it right back to politics again. -2- ~ o o Councilman Dietz stated that when the Merit Board makes a recommendation to the Council for a raise, it is then up to the Council to approve the recommendation; and this is just duplication of work again. Councilman Dietz asked the attorney if these evaluation sheets would divulge something in a person's past, present or future or that would be detrimental to him, or misconstrued, could the individual sue the City? Mr. Davis stated that he could not answer the question right off the top of his head, however the Public Information and Privacy Code may apply to this situation. 25 min. Mayor Armstrong stated that it may be under the Federal Law that an employee could sign a consent that his records could be turned over to a board. Councilman Sikes stated that every raise that has come to the Council has been a recommendation by the Merit Board based on the supervisors and then they have checked into it, so they have been doing their job, why should we hender them in what they are doing? Mr. Wharton stated that he is afraid of the type of government that we are slipping into. We want the Council to tell us what is going on, we don't want any other board doing other things on their own, we want to be brought up to date at all times. Mayor Armstrong stated that the law does give the administration the right to appoint certain boards for research and recommenda- tion purposes. This is a matter of cooperation and working together. Tape 1 Side B o min. Upon roll call vote said motion CARRIED. Councilman Sikes voting NO. Mr. Bryant read a letter from the Library Board regarding funds for an addition to the library. He also read a letter from Mr. Robert Howard estimating the cost of construction at $18,400. Mayor Armstrong spoke on this, stating that because of the present structure of the library, his personal opinion is that there would be a major problem to make an addition to the library, due to the way it was built. He stated that he would like the Council to consider building a new library which would accomodate the City for another ten years at least. He suggested that this could be done on the property owned by the City next to the Fire Station, and we know that City Hall is going to have to be expanded and maybe the present library could be used as a Police Department or other facility that would be vital to the City of Edgewater. We could construct a structure which could be added to in the future, which type of structure we do not have at present. Councilman Cairnie stated that the way things are going we will not be able to get matching funds for many more years. Mayor Armstrong stated that the additional cost that is con- curred in order to get the matching funds, in engineering fees, and professional fees, the City would probably be dollars ahead to appropriate and build their own library. -3- o o Mr. Fredericks stated that according to the Mayor's statement in a few years we are going to have to expand the City Hall and Police Department, so why are we even discussing adding to the library? Mayor Armstrong stated that he is as interested as anyone else is in more space for the library, however he doesn't want to tear down a perfectly good building to add to it. Councilman Dietz made a motion that we make a transcript of what the Mayor proposed to the Library Board and that we send them a letter to that effect, and hear what their reprocusions are going to be, being seconded by Councilwoman Webber. Upon roll call vote said motion CARRIED. City Manager Bryant read a memorandum from the Zoning Board in regard to the request of Mr. John Blanken to be able to use his property on Riverside Drive under Ordinance 219 rather than Ordinance 880. 20 min. Mayor Armstrong spoke on this, stating that he attended the Zoning Board meeting when Mr. Blanken's request was made and discussed. Councilman Dietz stated that Ordinance 219 has been replaced by Ordinance 880, and wouldn't you have to have a variance for this. Attorney Davis stated that this could be done, however you have to be very careful, it would be best to amend the Ordinance and make sure that this would apply to the entire area and not one individaul. 25 min. Mr. Blanken spoke to the Council about this, explaining how he wants to p~ace two houses on his lots, stating that he can now build two houses, however they could not be placed the way he feels that they would look better, and not mess up the neighborhood. rape 2 Side A o min. Mrs. Murphy stated that as she understands this, the man is planning on building two houses on 60 foot lots on Riverside Drive, which is the most valuable property in Edgewater. She also stated that she feels that he needs a variance. Mrs. Robinson asked the Mayor, if a person owns a 50 foot lot on the east side of Riverside Drive, can they build a house on it? Mayor Armstrong stated no, not under Ordinance 880. Mrs. Robinson asked how can someone sell such a lot and ask $18,000 for it? Mayor Armstrong stated that this is one of the problems we have had with the new Zoning Ordinance. 5 min. Mr. Davis stated that if he understands this question correctly, unless you pass a complete recission of Ordinance 880, or at least parts of Ordinance 880 that conflict with the requirements that you have here, and apply it to all of the zoning. You have a variance situation or a spot zoning situation. Mr. Davis also stated that he feels the simplest solution would be going to the Zoning Board for a variance, to keep away from the problem of spot zoning. Mrs. Leo Turner stated that just recently an Ordinance was made to allow some type of a variance to Silver Ridge, which did not apply to any other area, and it seems that we are going to have to be consistant, or the new Zoning laws are not going to be worth anything. -4- ~ o o Mayor Armstrong stated that he agrees with Mrs. Turner, however you cant treat one. area the same as another as long as the en- vironment is different. Mrs. Woodard stated that it sounds like this man needs to come 10 min. to the Board of A~jus~ments for a variance. He will. still have to meet five criteria to be allowed a variance. A variance is good forever, not just one year. This would apply to your own problem, let your neighbors worry about their problems. Mayor Armstrong stated that he would suggest that this problem be explained to every member of the City Council as a committee of one at a time, so that we can come back and discuss this with some intelligence after we know exactly what we are talking about. 15 min. Councilman Cairnie made a motion to table this matter, bei~g seconded by Councilman Dietz. Upon roll call vote said motion CARRIED. Mr. Bryant read a request from Mr. R. L. Williams asking to be allowed to lease a portion of land located on the Park & Pier for the purpose of a bait and tackle concession. Mayor Armstrong pointed out that as far as the sanitation aspects of this, this has been discussed several times before. Councilman Sikes made a motion to deny the request, being seconded by Councilman Cairnie. Councilman Dietz asked if this would not be considered an asset to the City. The people have to go all the way to New Smyrna to buy bait. Upon roll call vote said motion CARRIED. Mr. Bryant spoke on the correspondence from the Volusia County Delegation Association, stating that they held a meeting today, and plan another meeting on December 3, 1975. Mayor Armstrong stated that he and Mrs. Webber attended the 20 min. meeting today, and he explained a few subjects which were dis- cussed. He stated that Mrs. Webber asked some questions about the Sunshine Law, and there is presently a committee that is working toward a layman's explanation so that we may all under- stand the Sunshine Law. He asked for any direction from the Council that they would like brought up at the meeting on December 3rd. 25 min. Tape 2 Side B Mayor Armstrong spoke that he would voice that Article V is a matter of importance, and that it has come to his attention. The City has a Resolution on record which voices our opinion and a copy of this Resolution could be taken to the meeting. Councilman Cairnie made a motion that Mayor Armstrong attend the meeting on December 3rd and represent the City of Edgewater and present them with a copy of our Resolution against the County Courts, being seconded by Councilwoman Webber. Upon roll call vote said motion CARRIED. Mr. Bryant stated that there is a communication from Teleprompter asking that their CATV franchise in this community be merged with Teleprompter Southeast, Inc. Mayor Armstrong stated that our City Attorney was to look into this, and report to us, and unfortunately Mr. Weaver's father passed away and he has returned to Indiana, therefore we do not have this information at hand. -5- o o Tape 2 SideB 5 min. Councilman Dietz made a motion that we table this until the next workshop, being seconded by Councilman Cairnie. Councilman Sikes asked if there was any time limit on this. Mr. Jones, of Cable T.V. stated that there is no limit. Upon roll call vote said motion CARRIED. Mr. Bryant read a letter from the Friends of the Edgewater Library requesting permission to use certain property for their displays for the annual Folk Art Festival. Mayor Armstrong stated that it is hard to concur with this because he does not know what else might be going on that day. Councilman Dietz stated that he feels that four months is ample time, that they should take precidence over everything else. Mayor Armstrong stated that he is sure that the Council has no objections as long as we don't have something else planned that day, he stated that we could have the City Clerk contact the various clubs to determine that this particular date would be open. Councilman Cairnie made a motion that we give the Friends of the Library what they are asking for, and ask them to check with the other clubs and activities to clear the date, being seconded by Councilman Dietz. Upon roll call vote said motion CARRIED. Councilman Sikes stated that if parking space was needed, they could contact the church and he is sure it would be all right. 10 min. Mr. Bryant read a letter from Mr. and Mrs. John Eyster and Mr. and Mrs. Edward J. Hobbs, commending Officers Steve Kelley and Officer Pete Realmuto, and requesting a citation be given to both of them. Councilman Sikes made a motion that a citation be given to these two men and the City Council present them at the next regular meeting, being seconded by Councilman Cairnie. Upon roll call vote said motion CARRIED. Mr. Bryant read a letter from the Edgewater Library Board re- questing a $50.00 donation for the Children's Christmas Party. Councilman Cairnie made a motion to make the donation, being seconded by Councilwoman Webber. Upon roll call vote said motion CARRIED. RESOLUTIONS None ORDINANCES ORD. 941 AN ORDINANCE ESTABLISHING THE BUILDING CODES OF THE CITY OF EDGEWATER, FLORIDA, PROVIDING FOR THE ADOPTION OF CODES AND AMENDMENTS THERETO, FURTHER PROVIDING FOR REGULATION OF GENERAL CONTRACTORS AND INSTALLATION OF PUMPS AND IRRIGATION SYSTEMS, FURTHER PROVIDING PENALTIES FOR NON~COMPLIANCE, AND FURTHER PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE THEREFORE. -6- o o Attorney Davis read the Ordinance by title only due to its length. Councilman Cairnie made a motion to adopt this Ordinance, being seconded by Councilman Dietz. Upon roll call vote said motion CARRIED. ORD.NO. 942 AN ORDINANCE AMENDING SECTION 1 OF ORDINANCE 940 FOR THE PURPOSE OF RESTRICTING APPLICATION OF ORDINANCE 940 TO THE SILVER RIDGE SUBDIVISION, REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS IN CON- FLICT HEREWITH AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE THEREFORE. Attorney Davis read the Ordinance by title only. Tape 2 Side B 15 min. Councilman Cairnie made a motion to adopt this Ordinance, being seconded by Councilman Sikes. Upon roll call vote said motion CARRIED. Councilwoman Webber voting NO. ORD. NO. 943 AN ORDINANCE REPEALING ORDINANCE NO. 889 WHICH ORDINANCE ADDED SECTION 2-lA TO PROVIDE FOR THE HIRING AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF NORMAN DALE BRYANT AS CITY MANAGER; REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS IN CONFLICT HEREWITH AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE THEREFORE. Attorney Davis read the Ordinance in full Councilwoman Webber made a motion to adopt this Ordinance, being seconded by Councilman Cairnie. Councilman Sikes stated that since Mr. Cairnie made the original motion he would like to ask him if it is the intent that say a year from now we may decide that we want to have a City manager, or is it his intent that we are not to have a City manager at any time? Councilman Cairnie stated that he believes that another Ordinance can be drawn up at any time, if a new Council and the people at another time decide they want a City manager. Upon roll call vote said motion CARRIED. Councilman Sikes and Councilman Dietz voting NO. 20 min. NEW BUSINESS Mr. Bryant read a letter from J.E. Tumblin Agency, Inc. stating that the workmen's compensation coverage was not cancelled, and that it will be renewed through a standard plan, and not under the old policy. Mayor Armstrong spoke on this, stating that under the new statutes there is a penalty clause of 8%. We are not the only municipality 25 min. under this. Mr. Fredericks asked if there is negligence along the way to cause the almost 100%? Mayor Armstrong stated that we are doing some research because we have had quite a number of reoccurences of the same person that the claims have been made by. -7- o o Tape 3 Side A o min. Mr. Lodico questioned if it is true that the majority of this compensation is charged to one man who is in the Sewer Department? Mayor Armstrong stated that this is true. He also stated that we are going to have to do everything in our power to correct this. Councilman Cairnie asked what does this amount to approximately? Mayor Armstrong stated that it is going to be about $9,000. Mr. Bryant stated that there were safety classes and first aid classes held for all the employees working outside last year. 5 min. Mr. Taylor asked if self insurance would be possible here? Attorney Davis stated that it is possible to qualify for self insurance but it is so demanding that you seldom see it except for Southern Bell and so forth. He stated that more large Cities do it, however he does not feel that Edgewater would find it feasible to do this. Councilman Cairnie made a motion that we authorize our under- writers that the workmen's compensation of our employees will comply with the new statutes, being seconded by Councilwoman Webber. Upon roll call vote said motion CARRIED. At this time Mayor Armstrong called a five minute recess. Before the recess began, he announced that it is Mrs. Rich's birthday, and she was applauded. OLD BUSINESS / The meeting was recalled to order, and the Clerk called the roll, which was the same as at the beginning of the meeting. 10 min. Mayor Armstrong asked for questions in regard to the conference we had with Mr. Eldridge at the November 20th meeting. 15 min. Councilwoman Webber stated that she had asked Mr. Eldridge if the 5% interest rate could still be in effect if we did not accept the loan at this time, and he indicated that the loan had been in effect for the past ten years and would continue to be in effect. She stated that she is quite concerned with how they will establish the rate of interest when we start applying it to the principle. She stated that Mr. Cunningham indicated his plan to us, but according to Mr. Eldridge we will be paying nothing off for the first two years, and for those two years we will be paying $53,000. Councilman Dietz stated that that is a combination of interest and principle. He added tha~ we should not get confused, let's refer strictly to what Mr. Eldridge was talking about. Mayor Armstrong pointed out that there are several discrepancies with the figures from the auditors and Mr. Eldridge's forms. Councilman Dietz stated that it doesn't really make any difference what our auditors proposed, this is what F.H.A. wants, and it is all set out and written down. Mayor Armstrong stated that if we don't go by what the professional people we employed say, what are we doing to base the feasibility on? -8- o O' Councilman Dietz stated that what he is trying to say is that the government don't go by what our professional people say~ they go by what their professional people say. Mayor Armstrong read several examples ~here discrepancies were made on the report forms~ as far as tne figures being different from the other ones on the auditors forms. 25 min. Councilman Dietz stated that we have auditors~ who we pay a lot of money to every year~ and they come up with these figures~ they run them through all the things that they have to run them through~ and they come up and say that this is a feasible plan~ then the government runs all of these figures through their computers and check all of the figures~ and they say it is feasible~ and we are sitting here and saying that they are wrong. Mayor Armstrong stated that he wants to make sure that he is right~ let's go back to this report which was prepared by May Zima and Co. from 1969 through Sept. 30~ 1974. He read from this report stating that there is a discrepancy in the figures. He read another report from Briley~ Wild in 1963 in which it is stated that the sewerage pumping station structures will be required to handle the present sewerage flow and that which is anticipated through the year 2003. Councilman Dietz asked what does this prove? Mayor Armstrong stated that it proves that he doesn't believe everything that the auditors come in and tell him~ because things they have said has fell down. Tape 3 Side B 5 min. Councilman Dietz stated that he will tell why they fell down. He stated that about six years ago we had trouble with the digester and they had the man who designed the whole operation~ and he explained that the pump should be run three times a day. Councilman Dietz explained that this man said that if the pump was not run properly the sludge will build up so heavily that it will collapse. He stated that the whole thing was caused by the disobeying of an order by the operator of that plant because he did not do what he was suppose to do. Councilman Dietz stated that this cost us and it was not the engineers' fault it was the fault of the operator of the plant. Mayor Armstrong asked if you believe that a sewer plant which was designed for 6~000 peop1e~ and we now have approximately 4,500 people, and about 15% of them are not on the sewerage system~ is not capable of taking care of our demands for another two years. Councilman Dietz stated that we are having trouble in our sewer p1ant~ we are going to go through an inspection and we are going to be made to make the corrections that are necessary. You have letters from the State of Florida that they have given us a special permit to operate our sewer plant in obeyance to the fact that we are going to go ahead with the construction of a new plant, and if we do not construct this new plant, then they are going to withdraw this permit and then what are we going to do? Councilman Sikes stated that he too has done his homework; he read a letter from the Department of Pollution Control to Mr. Bryant which stated that due to their report the treatment compliance was border line, and they rated our plant conditionally acceptable, and corrective measures are requested. This letter was dated last May. Mr. Sikes read several other letters which -9- o o stated that some of our reports were past due, and this has -been teken care of by Mr. Armstrong. Mr. Sikes read a letter _stating the E.P.A. requirements which should be met, and that further extensions or connections to your system or approval 10 min. by this agency will be contingent upon the receipts of the corrective information. Councilman Sikes stated that Mr. Eldridge is just like any- -one else loaning money, he is not going to laon money to anyone who can not pay it, and he is satisfied by the infor- mation from the City Hall and from May Zima that we can pay this loan. He also stated that the money we have put out and we owe to the engineers and we do not go through with the loan, we will still have to pay for their work, and if we wait three years we still have this expense allover again. Councilman Cairnie stated that the latest letter read was dated in 1968, and we must have been doing all right since then. Councilman Dietz stated that we have had two this year. Councilwoman Webber stated that the sewer plant was upgraded since that letter of 1968 and this is probably the reason we do not have any letters since then. 15 min. Mr. Wharton stated that Mr. Fernandez, our engineer stated that he wouldn't say that the river which we are putting our affluant in was unsafe to fish or swim in. Mr. Gross stated that selling water now is out of the question, so we will not be making any money that way. Also, the worse situation we have is the dead end lines that we have in the City, and what we are planning to do is not going to improve this one bit. 20 min. Councilman Dietz stated that the only people who suffer from dead end lines are the people who live within 100 feet of the end of the line. Each time those valves are flushed the dead ends are cleared up. Mr. Lodico questioned if within a year or two after we spend this money, the County takes us over anyway, then we are stuck with this bond indebtedness, is this true? Wouldn't the County pay for this bond if they take us over? Councilman Dietz answered that the County would take over the debt if they took over our systems. Mr. Lodico stated that rumors are being spread around again, and he wishes that individual would start telling the truth. Mrs. Woodard stated that she did hear that the County is gcing to build a central sewer for New Smyrna Beach and Edgewater, is that true? Councilman Dietz answered no. At this time there was a lot of confusion in the audience. Mrs. Turner stated that she heard Mr. Fernandez ~ay that our facility was adequate, but not the quality. She stated that we were lead to believe that New Smyrna Beach would charge us an exorbitant amount for their water, and we heard at one of the last meetings that they would actually sell it to us at wholesale and that the County would assure this. 25 min. Mayor Armstrong stated that he wishes that everyone could have been at the Volusia Delegations meeting; Mr. Conway is on a committee which is working on pollution control and water problems.in Volusia County. According to Mr. Conway, _10- , ." o o in five years we shouldn't have any problems with sewerage at all, the County will take all the surplus, and we shouldn't have any trouble with water, because the County will furnish all the water we need over and above what we can furnish our- solves, and that our landfill problems will be solved by the County also. Tape 4 Side A Mayor Armstrong spoke again on how the City is going to be able to finance this expansion. Councilman Dietz stated that if we give up this present plan for the water and sewer expansion, the Council will post date the obituary for the demise of the City of Edgewater, because if the County comes in and takes over our water and sewer, they will come in and take over our Police Department, and everything, we are going to be just like Jacksonville. When the County goes to a new type of government what is going to happen to all of their plans for this water and sewer and so on? Mayor Armstrong stated that these plans are made by the State not the County. Councilman Dietz stated that these plans are County plans. Mr. Leo Turner spoke to the Council saying that when he was in engineering there were three W's: Why do it at all, which gets farther in the background all the time; Why do it now, that gets farther in the background; and Why do it this way, seems to be out of the window all together. He stated that in the Telephone Company, if you can not answer the three W's you don't get your money. Councilman Dietz answered that we are not the Telephone Company. Mayor Armstrong stated that he would like to ask the City' Council as a whole, if you feel that you have had the oppor- tunity to ask questions and have answers, and if you feel that you have collected enough data to make an intelligent decision on where we go from here relative to this program, this is probably going to be the most important decision you will have to make during your administration, what is your pleasure? He stated that Mr. Eldridge wants the papers back to his office by December 15th, so we do have a time limit. 5 min. Mrs. Webber stated that if we go ahead and finance this pro- gram,there will be no money left for the dead end lines. Mayor Armstrong stated that work has begun on these dead end lines today, and whether we have three new water plants there is going to have to be work done on the dead end lines. Mr. Mackie stated that it is confusing as to what we are spending and what we are asking for, he suggested that a graft be drawn up so that the public could look at it and maybe understand this better. Mayor Armstrong stated that we have to keep in mind that the 10 min. professional people cost us a lot of money, however there is discrepancy in the figures given by Mr. Eldridge and the en- gineering firm. Mr. Hatfield spoke to the Council doubting that we need to go to this expense for a new water plant. 15 min. Mrs. Turner spoke that she knows how professional people go at a problem, and she stated that she doesn't feel that Mr. Fernandez's presentation was very impressive. She stated that she has never spent so much money and know less about what I was going to have. -11- , Tape 4 Side A 20 min. Tape 4 Side B 8 min. o o Councilman Cairnie stated that he feels he is not ready to make a decision he still has some questions to get answers to. Mayor Armstrong stated that due to the length of discussion and the late hour, we should do something on this now. Councilwoman Webber stated again about the discrepancies in the figures from May Zima and Mr. Eldridge. Councilman Dietz tried to explain that there is a 15% increase in the F.H.A. plan as opposed to the May Zima plan. Mr. Bryant stated that before action is taken, just in case you find out that you would like to proceed, and in order to meet F.H.A. requirements for all of these documents, there is one item which should be considered for establishing a Public Hearing, that is the new rate change. Mayor Armstrong stated that our next meeting will be on the 11th, if the Council so desires to hold a Public Hearing praor to this meeting, we will need a Resolution of intent prior to the Public Hearing, and then action taken at the regular meeting after the Public Hearing. He explained that we have to have a rate increase before we can qualify for the application for the $900,000. Mrs. Woodard asked if the rate increase is p~ssed before the loan application, and then the application does not pass, do we have to stick with the rate increase? Mayor Armstrong stated that the Council has the right to arrange their own order of business, and we won't get the cart before the horse. Councilman Cairnie made a motion that we hold s Public Hearing at 6:30 P.M., on December 11, 1975, being seconded by Council- man Sikes. Upon roll call vote said motion CARRIED. It was agreed to set the organizational meeting for Monday, December 1, 1975, at 7:30 P.M. Councilman Sikes made a motion to continue present board members until after the organizational meeting, being seconded by Councilman Dietz. Upon roll call vote said motion CARRIED. ANNOUNCEMENTS: Mayor Armstrong announced that the Thursday garbage collection will be made on Wednesday, and the Friday pick up will remain the same. ADJOURNMENT: Councilman Dietz made a motion to adjourn, being seconded by Councilman Sikes. Upon roll call vote said motion CARRIED. MINUTES TAKEN BY: Sue Blackwell Debbie Sigler -12- . ' u ATTEST: il<<jer~ -tiv Approved this II - day of o R~~~~G:: Ma or r r- ~. t1~ l/ 7Y)f.~ C~$~ Councilman ~ December, A.D. 1975. ~ /T ~ ~~--rr:. Y~e?-'~~/- . Ma:yor -13- L'- GENERAL FUND City of Edgewater WW & SS Southern Bell Florida Power & Light Williams Welding Supply News Journal Corp. Volusia League of Delegations American Hardware Industrial Office Outfitters Gray Drug Stores Allen Chemical Company Xerox Lanier Business Products R.E. Morris Jack Cocke and Company M~gnolia Motor Company Ropp's Automotive J.J. Vaughn Ford-Mercury Smyrna Auto Parts City Auto Supply New Smyrna Commercial Printers State of Fla.Dept. of Commerce WATER AND SEWER City of Edgewater WW & SS Florida Power & Light Southern Bell American Hardware New Smyrna Commercial Printers Burroughs Corp. NCR Corporation Addressograph Multigraph Badger Meter, Inc. Hughes Supply City Auto Supply Sav-On Utility Supplies J. J. Vaughn Ford-Mercury Briley, Wild & Associates o BILLS AND ACCOUNTS NOVEMBER 24, 1975 o / 34.65 99.11 2,275.70 21.55 8.05 29.04 75.17 1.50 7.67 61.50 160.92 269.10 35.12 284.50 68.07 66.05 10.07 57.69 61.36 71.60 520.73 City Hall,Com.C, Shuflbrd.,F.D. Street, F.D. Street, St.lites, Traf. lites Street Legal Ad Gen. Gov. City Hall,C.C., P.& P., P.D.,Street Gen. Gov. P.D. P.D. Gen. Gov. Gen. Gov. Street Street Street, Garb. Street, P.D. Street Street Street, P.D., Garb. Gen. Gov., P.D. Gen. Gov. Water Water Water Water Water Water Water Water Water Water Water Water Water Water and Sewer and Sewer and Sewer and Sewer and Sewer and Sewer and Sewer $4,219.15 5.50 1,334.80 40.92 35.99 65.60 97.06 22.45 66.23 374.12 83.54 7.90 243.70 13.43 144.47 2,535.71 G