06-04-2007 - Regular
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CITY COUNCIL OF EDGEWATER
REGULAR MEETING
JUNE 4, 2007
7:00 P.M.
COMMUNITY CENTER
MINUTES
1. CALL TO ORDER
Mayor Thomas called the Regular Meeting to order at 7:00
p.m. in the Community Center.
ROLL CALL
Mayor Michael Thomas
Councilwoman Debra Rogers
Councilman Dennis Vincenzi
Councilwoman Harriet Rhodes
Councilwoman Judith Lichter
City Manager Jon Williams
City Clerk Susan Wadsworth
City Attorney Carolyn Ansay
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INVOCATION, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
There was a silent invocation and pledge of allegiance to
the Flag.
Mayor Thomas asked the audience to remember one of our
previous Mayors, Randy Allman, who passed away a couple of
weeks ago.
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
There were no minutes to be approved at this time.
3. PRESENTATIONS/PROCLAMATIONS/PLAQUES/CERTIFICATES/DON
ATIONS
There were no Presentations at this time.
Mayor Thomas stated how many people were there for the
Animal Shelter. He has been asked to take that order of
business first.
4. CITIZEN COMMENTS
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The following citizens spoke:
Gigi Bennington, 121 Virginia Street, stated her comments
were in reference to the survey that was done for $15,000.
She understood they called approximately 350 voters and
asked how they felt about ECARD, height limits, the City
and the Council and future plans for City Hall, etc. There
were 24 questions on this. At $15,000, that is $43 per
call or $625 for each question. She asked why they hired
someone to do this and why they didn't use an existing City
employee with all the budget restraints the City is under
right now. She asked what the point of the survey was and
who suggested doing it. She asked what the results were
and if this survey would change any policies. She asked
why questions about ECARD were included in this survey.
Why do they care about what ECARD thinks or what the people
think of ECARD? The Council was elected, not ECARD or
their members.
Ms. Bennington commented on the discussion regarding
cutting City employees at the last meeting. Someone
mentioned cutting the garbage employees and that they are
at the low end of the totem pole income wise. She wanted
to know why the Council didn't explain to the people that
those people aren't going to be affected by the tax cut
revenues. That is an Enterprise Fund. Those garbage
people are not affected. It is the Fire, the Police and
all the other City Hall employees that are going to be
affected by the tax cuts, not the Enterprise Funds.
Mayor Thomas stated they voted on that reference the survey
and he thought what they were trying to do was get a feel
of the public on how they feel on some matters.
City Manager Williams stated they wanted to make sure that
everybody that was surveyed had an identity of who ECARD
was, who the City Council is, to see if there was an
understanding of the current events that are taking place.
They talked to the folks that were surveyed referencing
their opinion about growth and how the City has handled
growth and finances and so forth.
Ms. Bennington stated she read a copy of the survey and she
read the questions and for the average person out there
that doesn't have a knowledge of the City, some of the
questions are very complex. To base your opinions on some
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of these answers she feels they would be airing on the
wrong side because they are so complex, especially when you
are dealing with the height limitations, the City Hall
complex and the millage.
Mayor Thomas stated he was unfortunate not to get a copy
and asked Ms. Bennington to save him a copy. Councilwoman
Rhodes stated she got a copy.
Councilwoman Rogers informed Ms. Bennington she did not
vote for this.
Ms. Bennington stated she just wondered how it came about
to begin with when it could have been used in different
ways.
Mike Visconti, 316 pine Breeze Drive, read a prepared
statement. The latest petition for the City of Edgewater
from the ECARD is the amendment to the City Charter
regarding residential density west of 1-95. He didn't know
how responsible this group really is since there are anti-
development that are killing this saw grass City. There
have been articles in the newspaper relating to the
financial crisis in Edgewater is finding itself and yet
they have passed a 35-foot height limitation, continued to
fight every developer, every idea for revenue and now
another petition to stop yet another project and therefore
additional revenue for the City and its tax failure. The
City of Edgewater through petitions of this group has
turned down hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue by
just saying no. $170 million for impact fees for the high-
rise and $40 million in taxes. The new petition attacks
the west side growth. The developer of the proposed
project states the proposed Charter Amendment will kill a
massive project. ECARD wants to stop growth west of 1-95
by limiting lots sizes to twenty acres per house. He spoke
of the children having to go elsewhere. He commented on
this not being fair for people who would like to spend
winters in their later years in this area and the people
that have established businesses here. He questioned why
the normal standard should be modified by the Charter when
zoning changes are possible. He commented on the developer
saying the project west of 1-95 would be 43% preserved. He
urged the citizens not to sign the petition as it will
destroy the City's future potential.
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Mike Schmitt, Mission Oaks, New Smyrna Beach, stated for
the last eight months they have had a pump truck from
Edgewater coming out and pumping out a lift station that is
supposedly on their property. He guessed they had been
disconnected from the sewer system. This truck the City is
bringing in there three or four times a day, six or seven
days a week haS been pumping out the lift station. The
people are complaining and the smell is horrible. They
starting at 7:00 in the morning and it is now starting to
tear up their only road. He was wondering if somebody
could tell him how much longer this is going to go on.
Director of Environmental Services Terry Wadsworth stated
this was brought to the Council. They went ahead when loth
Street was being widened, the Utilities Commission needed
to abandon a force main there and basically agreed to turn
over the utilities that were in Mission Oaks to the City.
He informed the Council at that time they would have to go
ahead and pump. They have tried to make arrangements with
the developer for Oak Leaf who is in his final stages as
well as with Mr. Valley, who is doing a development on the
corner of Mission and Eslinger. As soon as that is worked
out with the utilities, they will go ahead and hook it
directly to our system and pump from there. He wasn't
aware of problems with smell or that much traffic. He
thought they were in there five times a week, not two or
three times a day. They do a weekend pump out and then two
or three times a week. He agreed to check into this.
Dominic Capria, 606 Topside Circle, stated Mike
his friend and signed the 35-foot height limit.
changing his mind all of a sudden?
Visconti is
Why is he
Mr. Capria stated he asked for the City Council to revisit
the Charter on 3.ll(b) and he sees there is something in
writing explaining it, which he did not get a chance to
study. He feels it is not fair that he has to go study
this and then come back next month. Briefly what he is
reading, he thinks what it is saying, what the Mayor said
was the three minutes and explanations will count for the
three minutes they are speaking. Mayor Thomas stated they
had some time left but he was trying to expedite the
meeting.
Mr. Capria asked if he was correct in what he was saying.
That the answers would be included in their three minutes.
Mayor Thomas stated he asked if they wanted them included
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in their three minutes. Mr. Capria stated absolutely not.
Mayor Thomas stated he asks each individual person if they
want their answer included in their three minutes. They
either say yes or no. Mr. Capria stated so the issue is
still alive. Mayor Thomas informed him yes.
Andy Anderson, pine Tree Drive, stated he has known Mike
Visconti for a long time. They have been cordial to each
other all these years. He respected his opinions and he
thinks he respects his. Mr. Visconti is in the
construction business and he wants to build and he probably
would too if he were in the business. He and his son are
in business in this town and they want to develop areas and
they are in favor of development from what he understands.
Mr. Anderson stated there has been an ad appearing in the
newspaper over the last couple of weeks, which is 5" X 5",
which is not a cheap ad and they are addressed to all
animal lovers encouraging people to attend the meeting on
Monday. He asked if the City put this ad in the newspaper.
Councilwoman Rhodes stated it wasn't placed there by the
City. Mr. Anderson stated it is an expensive ad. It is
$369 for Sunday. Mayor Thomas again informed him the City
didn't do it. Mr. Anderson stated it is $294 a day during
the week. It sounds a little biased and sounds like
someone who is preying on people's sympathy for animals.
He feels the Animal Shelter is another matter altogether.
Dot Carlson, 1714 Edgewater Drive, representing ECARD,
stated she wasn't at the last meeting and she understood
they had a couple of questions that came to ECARD. She
called Mayor Thomas and he didn't call back. She called
Councilman Vincenzi and he called her back but she missed
his call. She stated Mr. Visconti is incorrect on some
things and correct on others. When that land came in from
the County it was one unit per twenty acres and it was that
because 45% of it is water. It is a water recharge area.
There was a survey done in 1998 and was considered
undevelopable by the County. What it is, is what it is.
She can't change the land. If it came into the City, it is
still what it is. They are going ahead with the petition
and are doing well. She encouraged the people to read the
petition before they sign it. This one does have
variances.
Shirley Chambers, 112 W. Pine Bluff Street, stated she has
called with numerous complaints and it doesn't seem like
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anything is getting resolved. There is a house at 111 W.
Pine Bluff Street that needs to be completely condemned.
There are rats coming from this property. They are the
Armlin's and they think they can get away with everything
and that is not right. She tries to keep up with her
things and now they have a van over there. She knows the
license plate is already expired. She has been in the
house and it is condemnable. The roof is caving in. The
City runs around and asks people to pick up, people with
boats and trailers in their yard but yet when you have
something that looks this bad in the City, she didn't
understand why the City doesn't address it. It is a
concern. She is a taxpayer and it looks nasty.
Fire Chief Barlow wrote down the information.
Mayor Thomas moved Item 9B up on the agenda.
B. Animal Shelter - discussion item with City
Council consensus to move forward with a specific
option for the Animal Shelter
City Manager Williams thanked all of the volunteers who
have put countless hours into assisting the City with
bringing the Animal Shelter to this point tonight.
Lead Animal Control Officer Lisa Saunders made a Powerpoint
presentation with regard to the History, Strategies, Cost
Comparison, and Improvements to the Existing Facility.
(At tached)
Councilwoman Lichter commented on being with the City for
ten years and being with the City when they departed from
the Southeast Volusia Humane Society and being involved
with members of the Pet Society Inc. who are still
volunteering there to carryon their love and respect for
the animals in the City. She mentioned dog obedience
lessons being a good way to raise money. They are probably
the only County that does not have a County animal
facility, in conjunction with a non-profit group. There is
a good potential there with the land the City has that the
County is going to need some help eventually. There is a
very good opportunity. It isn't that they are creating new
positions. They have had an animal service person in-
house. They are creating one that is going to cost less
money by having an animal director, one body in-house.
It's not that they haven't paid for animal services in the
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past. When the City broke from the Humane Society, they
were paying $40,000 to $45,000 a year to the Humane Society
and we were also paying two animal control people in the
City. It's never been free. They made every attempt to
stay. Southeast was originally formed and the money was
raised by Edgewater and New Smyrna people. She was the
liaison from the City Council to the Humane Society. She
and others members of the Pet Society served on their board
and tried to make some internal changes and it didn't
happen. She commented on being open seven days a week.
She also recognized Becky, a high school student who comes
in on Saturdays, Donna Wagner, who comes in early in the
morning and after she gets off work, and Karen Mason. She
also mentioned the people that got the washer and dryer
donated. She spoke on washing laundry in cold water, doing
six to eight loads a day and being there every day except
if she has a meeting. She thinks no matter what they are
going to do with animal services, this City has a heart.
This can be run eventually as an Enterprise Fund. It will
not happen over night. She commented on items being
donated by the pink Ladies and Drug Free Youth and the Pet
Society going to PetSmart every Saturday to place animals.
WalMart is now giving them bags of food. She further spoke
about the shelter being located at the end of a dirt road.
The Pet Society has put three years into this. They hope
the public sees the pros and cons. It is their goal to
continue to take care of the animals in a facility where
more volunteers will volunteer. She feels they will have
more people help when they have a better facility. She
also recognized Ginger Bryant, who was in the audience, and
commented on the small trailer she is currently working in.
She stated % of the citizens in this community are good pet
owners. They see ~ of the pet owners in this community
that don't care. That is why they have a need for
education. She commented on already doing education. She
sincerely hopes they realize the time has come to honor
their citizens wishes, who are intelligent to know when
they voted $500,000 for a building that they aren't talking
about the Taj Mahal any more and they knew there was going
to be some expenses running an enterprise like this.
Councilwoman Rogers commented on a few things she feels
were omitted from the Powerpoint presentation. For
instance, initially there was a site and that site turned
out to not be suitable. Initially the $500,000 bond was
supposed to just cover the shelter. There were a lot of
mistakes made. She doesn't want to sound like somebody
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beating a stick any more. At this point everything that
has been presented to them and everything she has come to
realize, being turned down by the Southeast Volusia Humane
Society. That is a big problem. Not having anywhere for
the animals to go is another big problem. The fact that
they are now talking about the possibility of an Enterprise
Fund, accountability, income expense, that is a great
possibility. She doesn't want to have it on her conscience
that they get rid of the animals because they have nowhere
for them to go. She has three animals including one cat
that showed up during the hurricanes in 2004. She is her
first cat in her life and she doesn't want that cat going
to the Animal Shelter. She would give a blessing on this
if it could in fact be an Enterprise Fund as it is being
talked about and that they strictly watch it and the
accountability and perhaps they put something out there
that if they get into the red, that they will have to
revisit the possibility with Southeast Volusia. At this
point, they cannot take us. She feels they need to have an
opportunity where this is revisited every year and that
they have a threshold that if it goes into the red, what
they are going to do. They need to make it very blatant
and it is there so it cant' be debated in the future. We
have a problem on our hands. We have to fix it. She would
say let's got for an Enterprise Fund and spell out what is
the maximum in the red they can go. She would say no more
than $10,000. All of these opportunities for future
revenues, there are a lot of opportunities. She has
friends in the Melbourne area that make a lot of money that
go to people's houses and babysit for animals. In talking
with New Smyrna Beach High School where they have the
different programs for the seniors that don't have an area
of expertise that they are interested in as far as future
employment. Maybe they can partner and do something with
the High School. That is an opportunity and then maybe
they could perhaps get some money from the school system.
Councilman Vincenzi stated believe it or not, he liked the
proposal because this is the first real proposal they have
had that outlines real cost and alternatives were presented
on what needs to be done in order to pay for the expenses
that are incurred by running an animal shelter. It is
realistic. He too feels it should be an Enterprise Fund to
separate the expenses and keep the accountability proper.
He asked if the open-air building would be for dogs. Ms.
Saunders informed him it would be for the dogs. Councilman
Vincenzi asked why the dogs have to be outside. Ms.
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Saunders stated she would much rather they be inside. What
City Manager Williams has done is he has broken down that
it costs us per unit per animal. They currently take in
about 900 animals a year. They started with 1,000 because
she knows they are on track to do about 1,500 this year.
Mayor Thomas asked what the cost per unit was. City
Manager Williams thought it was right around $60 dollars.
When they did the spreadsheet they were more interested in
finding the variable cost within the operations and
assigning a unit cost with that that way they could move
that bar and change the number of units to come forward and
determine that actual break even point. He was more
interested in trying to assign costs for equipment and the
variable side of it. Right now it looks like it is around
$60 per animal. It is dependent upon them going out and
soliciting customers, other cities, as revenue sources.
Ms. Saunders commented on why the dogs would be outside.
She stated she took the $500,000 they had and they tried to
get as many animal spaces as she could. She spoke of being
able to stack the cats on top of each other inside of the
existing building with cages. The dogs going to the
bathroom inside an enclosed building would probably be too
much for their one kennel worker. With the outdoor
building they have the proper ventilation they need to
house the animals. She commented on the revenue increasing
by being able to house more animals.
Ms. Saunders further commented on the cost to do Animal
Control. With this as an Enterprise Fund, not only would
the Shelter being paying for itself eventually but they
would be chipping away at what it costs the City to do
Animal Control.
Councilman Vincenzi stated even if they get the minimum
that is probably a good figure, the $67,975.00, which is
what the City would have to pay. If that were turned into
an Enterprise Fund just for that, he didn't know what it
would be but it would be minimal for everybody.
City Manager Williams stated right now if they were to look
in the General Fund, net cost to the General Fund is
projected to be $230,000. He thinks by taking this
approach, they end up addressing a problem in terms of
reductions they have talked about by moving this into an
Enterprise approach. Right now they are projecting a loss
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of $69,000. Under the revenue, he has a contribution
coming into the Enterprise Fund from the General Fund to
pay for the Animal Control Officers. Even under this
approach, they addressed the pending property tax reform,
the current financial situation and they end up providing a
savings to the City of about $100,000 by taking this
approach. He thinks in terms of addressing methodologies
for contingencies if they start operating in the red, he
would ask Council's consideration tonight for a five-year
objective. They want five years to be able to go out and
aggressively market this and put the necessary actions and
steps in place to generate the revenues and allow them to
have that five year time period to get this building up and
running.
Councilman Vincenzi felt that during that five years there
should be an Enterprise Fund fee associated with it so they
don't have to take much as far as tax dollars and put it
into that.
City Manager Williams disclosed that he and City Attorney
Ansay had a discussion this afternoon about methodologies
for establishing a rate and what would be an appropriate
rate and how they would go about doing that. They are
going to research that and bring back a proposal that will
bill each property owner a set fee. Councilman Vincenzi
felt this needed to be done.
Councilman Vincenzi stated as they get more animals in that
means they will hopefully adopt more but that means they
would probably have to euthanize more. Ms. Saunders
commented on increasing the shelter figures a lot but she
doubted it would ever be that high. Councilman Vincenzi
wanted to point out that even though this is the best plan
they have seen so far and he supports it, it still has
problems. Ms. Saunders stated she was basing the numbers
on a lot of variables. They can't guarantee how many
adoptions they will do. That is why they tried to be very
conservative with those numbers.
Councilman Vincenzi commented on hiring more people. Ms.
Saunders stated right now they have two Animal Control
Officers and they are using day labor as shelter kennel
workers. Thankfully they have a ton of volunteers that are
making up the shortfalls. Her proposal is they would scale
it back to one Animal Control Officer, Monday through
Friday and a part time person that could work Saturday and
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Sunday and fill in for the Animal Control Officer when they
are out sick. She further commented on personnel and not
having the cost for benefits due to some of the positions
being part-time. City Manager Williams pointed out with
the vet tech, they are planning on sharing the cost with
the veterinarian care provider right now. They will not
have an employee carried on our books and they will enter
into a professional services agreement or something of that
nature. There will be a dual benefit achieved by having
that vet tech.
Councilman Vincenzi asked about setting ground rules and
policies and procedures. Ms. Saunders informed him she had
already done that and that it was included with their
agenda packet. She stated City Manager Williams allowed
her to have a meeting with the Pet Society, the Shelter
vet, Animal Control, the Police Chief and the City Manager.
They went over organizational charts and talked about who
would be responsible for what. They are going to rely on
all of the volunteers that are included in the handbook.
Councilman Vincenzi felt this was very important because
operations like this can get out of hand very easily. He
stated he would support it.
Councilwoman Rhodes felt Ms. Saunders did a lot of work and
it shows. She felt her presentation was excellent. She
turned around Councilman Vincenzi and Councilwoman Rogers
so she should know she did a good job. She stated she
liked the handbook. She was very impressed.
Councilwoman Rhodes stated she has always supported the
Animal Shelter. She asked if they had a plan for
hurricanes and fire evaluations. Ms. Saunders informed her
there is a FEMA course they can give everybody who has a
position in the volunteer handbook that talks about what
you are supposed to do if that happens. She has contacted
Volusia County Emergency Management and talked about this
with the City Manager. We have an eighteen-wheeler type
truck they can load the animals on. They will have an
emergency callout system of volunteers. There was
recently a fire down there between the roadway and the
shelter and it was good practice for them. They discovered
they needed a means of egress, which they have since taken
care of. The volunteers already had resources in place to
bring other vehicles down there if they didn't have enough
room to load the animals on the eighteen-wheeler. Because
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the vet comes once a week and makes sure the animals there
are adoptable and have all of their shots, they can load
them all in the same place. There are only a few animals
they keep isolated that are sick.
Councilwoman Rhodes suggested people being able to bring
their pets to the Shelter when they go on vacation and this
possibly being a revenue source if there was room. Ms.
Saunders stated vets sometimes supplement their income with
boarding their patient's animals. That is definitely an
option. Councilwoman Rhodes again informed Ms. Saunders
she felt it was an excellent proposal and that she did a
great job. She was very impressed. She will vote for it.
Mayor Thomas stated thank God they finally got here. This
was voted on before he took office. They have been through
so many proposals and so many meetings. This one looks
like it is going to work. He applauded Ms. Saunders on her
presentation. He felt it was excellent.
Ms. Saunders stated she had a ton of help. The Pet Society
has done an incredible job. Ginger Bryant, the City
Manager, the Police Chief and the Fire Chief. They all
pulled together so it was a team effort.
Mayor Thomas stated they have to start somewhere. The last
VCOG meeting he went to Halifax Humane Society was there
proposing for $80 a unit. Those other cities are looking
to us as a model. They keeping asking him if Edgewater has
done anything. They don't have anywhere else to shop. It
can be an Enterprise Fund. They can do and they can make
money on it. They could charge the cities a little bit
more and our citizens a little bit less. He appreciated
all the volunteers' efforts. He appreciated Councilwoman
Lichter's efforts. That is one of her passions and one of
his goals was to see something done before she left office
because she has worked so hard at it. The citizens of
Edgewater voted this in 2004. Let's get it done.
Mayor Thomas called a ten-minute recess. The meeting
recessed at 8:20 p.m. and reconvened at 8:30 p.m.
Mayor Thomas opened the public hearing.
The following Citizens spoke:
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Ethel Melder, 302 S. Ridgewood Avenue, Lot 2, stated she
knows Animal Control is trying their best to take care of
situations such as feral cats but situations come up where
these cats, these people that are not following the rules
and the law get cited and they say the next time they are
going to court. That is the end of it and they never see
them again. This is creating a major problem for all of
them if they have people that are doing that. Why are not
the laws that are on the books now enforced? If these
people actually end up in court, maybe they will stop so
they don't have those problems. She also wanted to know if
she had a cage of her own if she could trap feral cats and
call animal Control. They can't get anybody to do it. The
City only has so many cages and maybe once a year they get
to use that cage. She asked how they solve this problem.
Councilwoman Lichter thought it was against the law. Ms.
Saunders stated in Edgewater you have to be a licensed
trapper. The Edgewater Animal Control Officers have their
license through the State in order to trap. The problem
they are running in to is the demand is so high for the
traps and they have such a problem with feral cats they run
out of room at the shelter. They can't keep up with the
demands. They try to euthanize the animal that have been
there the longest or that are sick so they can make room
for the animals they bring in on a daily basis. They won't
leave animals on the road. They have to have a place to
put them. They are hoping this comes to fruition and it so
pleases the Council and they elect to do the shelter it
would give them additional space and additional revenue
because they can adopt that animal out if it is not feral.
Councilwoman Lichter stated they have thirty cats and
kittens at the moment at the shelter.
Ms. Melder stated a woman has not been taken care of
according to the laws, she ended up with six kittens in her
yard. She took care of them and got them all adopted out
but she can't keep doing that. Unfortunately there are
still a lot of cats running around allover.
Mayor Thomas agreed with Ms. Melder and felt that could be
used in the Enterprise Fund as more stringent regulations.
The City is pretty lenient.
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Ms. Melder stated a lot of people have been cited so many
times that they don't follow through. Mayor Thomas stated
hopefully they can enforce this more regularly.
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Geraldine Bohn, 2923 Royal Palm Drive, stated she adopted a
cat in California and the Humane Society there required an
ID chip to be inserted into the animal so if the animal was
a stray the animal control people could pick it up and scan
it at their facility and call the pet owner. She didn't
know how much the equipment cost or how much training was
needed to insert the chip. She knows all the people won't
follow this if the City adopts it, but she thinks this
might bring in some revenue. She didn't know if the City
would consider researching that and letting the public know
and possibly considering this as part of the animal code
the City already has in place.
Ms. Bohn asked about the $500,000 that was raised two years
ago. She wanted to know how the Council managed that money
and how much interest was made off of that money in the two
years.
City Manager Williams informed her the $500,000 is kept in
a separate fund, which is outlined in the bond covenants.
As far as the interest, he would get Finance Director Brett
Tanner to go over and get that information so he could tell
them what the interest calculations have been since they
have had the money.
Ms. Bohn asked if the money has been kept in a CD and if
they have invested that money. She asked if they have not
co-mingled that money. City Manager Williams informed her
the bond covenants prevent them from doing that. That is
why it is in a separate bank account held at Wachovia. Ms.
Bohn asked about the interest rate. City Manager Williams
stated the last check they has was about $8,000 but he
agreed to get Ms. Bohn that information before the close of
business tonight.
Ms. Bohn asked City Manager Williams what he thought of her
proposal for the animal chip. She feels it would eliminate
the amount of time that the animal was at the animal
shelter and if the pet owner decides not to come and rescue
their pet that they consider a reasonable amount of time to
put that animal up for adoption. Councilwoman Lichter
informed her there is five-days if no one claims them.
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Mayor Thomas felt it was a good idea and something they
could look at down the line. They would have to look at
the cost.
Councilwoman Rhodes felt Ms. Saunders could research it and
see if it is cost effective. Mayor Thomas mentioned some
of the hunters putting them in their hunting dogs because
of the hunting dogs being stolen. He didn't know what the
cost was and informed her they would have to do some
research. Ms. Bohn stated initially it might be a cost to
the City but in the long run if people were responsible pet
owners it might be a viable option.
Ben Wagner, 2922 Unity Tree Drive, stated a few weeks ago
they might have had the opportunity to see a picture of him
in the paper holding an orange cat named Tangles that was
rescued by one of the Animal Control Officers. Thanks to
Lisa Saunders who rescued him and Donna Wagner, who has
been taking care of him and Dr. McCartney who has been
doing some checking up on him. He was so tangled up in a
bunch of wires that he looked like a bug in a spider web.
Ms. Saunders crawled under the trailer and got him out and
cut most of the stuff off of him and brought him to Donna
and she took the rest of the wires off of him and thanks to
their work and the doctor's visits he ended up only losing
part of one foot and he has done very well. That is an
example of the type of work these people are doing down
there. He felt if he would have brought Tangles and he
could talk he would tell them how much he appreciates what
they have done tonight and hopes that they will make a
valiant effort to move on this right away and make a place
down there that the citizens and the City will be proud of
and the animals can survive in.
Donna Wagner, 2922 Unity Tree Drive, stated if it hadn't
been for Ms. Saunders crawling under that trailer, the
kitten would have been dead. She has stood out on a corner
in a Felix the Cat suit with a bunch of other people in the
audience, one being Scooby Doo. They tried to get this
bond issue done. They got it done. She knows there has been
some mismanagement of other things. She wanted to know
when they were going to put the shovel in the ground.
Shirley Chambers, 112 W. Pine Bluff Street, agreed and
stated she voted for it, a long with a lot of other people.
They want this done. They have different contractors who
recycle bottles and newspapers and asked if there was any
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way to even start, getting the construction companies that
throw wood away to use it. She has seen whole sheets of
plywood and bundles of shingles that are thrown out because
the people paid for them and they aren't using it over.
She asked if there is any way they could ask them. Mayor
Thomas stated he hasn't known Ms. Saunders very long but
what he has seen she is very innovative. Ms. Chambers
feels there are ways to get it done.
Mary Ann Henderson, 189 Costa Rica, stated they have
Habitat for Humanity and asked why they can't have Habitat
for the Animals. If they can build a whole block of houses
get their name in the paper and in the news for doing that,
why can't Edgewater. They said they want to be a model for
the county and all the other places that are asking Mayor
Thomas question about it. Why can't the builders in the
area that are currently not real busy because there is such
a lull in the building business, why can't they donate some
of their time and supplies. The volunteers, she can pound
nails and she can paint. She knows there are a lot of
other people that can to. She has seen churches being
built in a week's time around here. She doesn't know why
they can't do it that way. It wouldn't cost all the money
they are talking about and it wouldn't' create the delay
and they wouldn't even have to have the animals outside to
freeze in the winter and swelter in the summer. There are
enough builders that have profited in this community that
could give back to the community in some small way and
utilize the people also in this area and all the volunteers
and all the materials that are left over from the job
sites.
Mayor Thomas and Councilwoman Rhodes felt it was a good
idea.
City Manager Williams informed Mayor Thomas he had the
interest calculations for the $500,000. Since they have
deposited that money into their limited general obligation
note construction fund, they have earned $21,950 in
interest.
Linda Small, 1629 Willow Oak Drive, stated she is an animal
lover. She has rescued many animals in her life. She
feels the community needs an animal shelter and is totally
in support of this project. The Elected Representatives in
Tallahassee are working diligently on property tax reform.
They expect after the special session to see property tax
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reform including the form of government spending cap. They
don't have any idea what those caps will be and how it will
impact our local budget. The City has been very passionate
about protecting City of Edgewater employee jobs. Rather
than approving an almost quarter of a million dollar
project, and in addition to that kind of money putting more
headcount on the payroll that they have lived with the
situation for this long. She suggested they delay it until
the August meeting where they have had an opportunity to
see what comes out of Tallahassee and see if $225,000 makes
a difference to our public safety officers and other higher
priorities and hopefully it won't. Hopefully they will be
able to fund this project. She feels they all have a
fiduciary responsibility to step back and say yes we all
want it, we would like to fund it, but really we need to
wait until the end of summer to see what is coming down the
pike at them before they approve this type of spending.
Councilwoman Rhodes stated the money to start this is
already in the bank. Ms. Small stated she understood that
but it is going to cost more than that. Councilwoman
Rhodes stated they have $500,000 in the bank and it can't
cost more than that. We don't have it to cost more than
that. It is going to have to stay under that and they are
going to have to see that it does.
Ms. Small stated while Ms. Saunders did a wonderful job she
has not costed this project out over a five-year project.
She has costed the start up project. But they don't know
what this is going to cost over the next five years.
Councilman Vincenzi stated they talked about it. She has
put a proposal forward. It is a good proposal. If they do
it as an Enterprise Fund, they have the money there and
they charge the people every month for the shelter. Every
six months you review it. If you are making money as
predicted, you lower the fee. If you aren't making money
you keep it the same or you raise it.
Gigi Bennington, 121 Virginia Street, stated she had
occasion to go to the animal shelter this past Friday and
she adopted a kitten she saw at PetSmart. She was appalled
at the conditions out there. They are absolutely
deplorable. People have been arrested for keeping their
animals in the condition we are keeping our animals in out
there. That is not a reflection on the volunteers. It is
the condition of the shelter and the grounds.
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Ms. Bennington asked for clarification of Councilwoman
Lichter saying we are a no kill shelter. Councilwoman
Lichter confirmed she said low kill. There are occasions
when they have to.
Ms. Bennington commented on the line item on the
presentation regarding revenue from the bond. She asked
how that is determined. She wasn't sure of the amount
because it was hard for her to see from where she was
sitting. It was shown in the budget on the presentation.
City Manager Williams thought the revenue line item she may
be referencing was money that they are generating from the
taxes, it is from the debt service. Ms. Bennington stated
she called it Referendum Revenue. City Manager Williams
stated that pays the debt service, the .06 mills.
Councilwoman Rhodes informed her it was $33,111.
Ms. Bennington asked Councilwoman Vincenzi if he was
suggesting they make each taxpayer, each household, pay a
$3 fee to keep this a float. Councilman Vincenzi informed
her yes. Ms. Bennington stated instead of doing something
like that because everyone that had animals or not would be
paying this fee annually. She suggested they put an impact
fee on animal control for any new buildings. Councilman
Vincenzi stated they charge a fee now for animals they take
in or animals that are brought in. Ms. Bennington informed
him she was talking about permitting. When you take a
permit out to build, you pay a recreation impact fee, you
pay an impact fee for stormwater, why couldn't they create
an animal control impact fee and let the new people coming
in pay for the new costs that are going to be added on.
Councilman Vincenzi asked the new people coming in where.
Ms. Bennington informed him into the City. Councilman
Vincenzi stated on new housing. Ms. Bennington informed
him any building that is built pays. Councilman Vincenzi
asked how they are going to pay for the operation in the
mean time.
Councilwoman Rhodes stated she understood where Ms.
Bennington was going. We already have a police impact fee
and this is under the Police Department. Why doesn't that
impact fee be increased by a small amount or part of that
money go to the shelter.
Councilman Vincenzi stated impact fees are a special case.
You can't arbitrarily assign impact fees. Ms. Bennington
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informed him she understood that. You have to go through
due process. Councilman Vincenzi stated and you have to
use the impact fee money for approved purposes. Ms.
Bennington stated she understood that. That is how we got
the parks that we have now. Councilman Vincenzi stated
let's say you do that and let's say it takes five months to
go through the discussion process, new houses come in, you
start collecting the fee, you probably aren't going to see
any significant revenue for a year and a half or two years.
Ms. Bennington informed him she understood that. They are
going to have to float it for a while. She has no problem
with that. Councilman Vincenzi asked her who was going to
pay for it in the meantime. Ms. Bennington informed him
the users. A person that does not have an animal should
not have to pay. Councilwoman Lichter stated why, she pays
for schools. Ms. Bennington stated but you benefit from
schools.
Ms. Bennington stated she is just looking at alternatives
rather than across the board tax raises, which is what
everybody is concerned about. It is just a suggestion as a
way to increase revenue. Councilman vincenzi stated he is
concerned about paying for the operation without using tax
dollars so you either charge a fee or you use tax dollars.
Ms. Bennington stated the impact fee could replace.
Councilman vincenzi stated eventually, possibly but not
initially.
City Manager Williams stated typically impact fees are
assessed and generated as a result of growth and are
restricted for capital items, not necessarily operational
items. They have looked at a proposal to establish a
general government impact fee but that would address the
building and future expansions of the building but not
necessarily the operation.
Ms. Bennington stated they can't wait too long to start
this. They are way over due. She applauded the Council if
they take action on this tonight. It needs to be done.
Councilwoman Lichter stated she was ready to make a motion.
It can't wait.
Mike Visconti, 316 pine Breeze Drive, stated being a
builder in Edgewater, he will use his expertise to work
with the City and make sure that the budget meets the
budget they have to build their building. This way they
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could get started right
seat. The quicker they
get the building.
away. The City is in the driver's
get the permit, the quicker they
Ginger Bryant, 423 N. Glencoe Road, New Smyrna Beach,
stated she is the Veterinarian that has been currently
helping take care of the animals since March 9th. They have
done an excellent job down there. It's not the safest
facility and some of the Animal Control Officers have had
to bring some of the bigger animals to her facility so she
can examine them. It has certainly been a challenge. It
isn't one she thinks she was completely ready for. She
learns every day because she is not a shelter medicine
veterinarian. On March 9th she went to the facility and
there were about 35 cats with about 15 new kittens that had
been fostered in a lot of people's homes for nothing. They
came in healthy. She examined them. She commented on a
sick kitten that was brought in on May 17th because it was
exposed to other adult animals because the facility is over
crowded. That is sad. But it is fixable under Ms.
Saunders plan but she has to run it. She is strong. She
has worked with her since March 9u. She has taken a
facility that was on the brink of destruction and given the
City some amazing information that they shouldn't throw
away. She stated it is hard going down there every
Wednesday and personally she has euthanized about ten
animals and they all needed it due to not being placeable
or had illnesses that couldn't be fixed. She commented on
the cats that Donna Wagner is taking care of because there
is no room at the shelter. She has three animals in her
facility, one having been in her facility since March 17th.
If she were to charge somebody boarding for the one cat she
has it would be about $900. That is her part. The City of
Edgewater is not getting charged for that. She is going to
get spayed next week and then they will adopt her out.
That is her way of helping the City. She stated Lisa
Saunders is the driving force behind this and if they don't
have someone like her it will fail because she is strong.
Karen Mason, 1847 Coco Palm Drive, thanked everybody who
came tonight for the animals. She thanked everybody who
has supported and donated anything they could to help keep
this running. She prayed the Council would do the right
thing and get them moving and get them to where they will
be proud of what they have in this City.
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Councilwoman Lichter stated she cannot personally, and she
goes in seven days a week unless she has a meeting, she
cannot last much longer in what they are dealing with until
August. She can barely walk on the territory. She is 76
years old and they should not wait. She is proposing to
make a motion on this subject this evening. In the end of
this, every time they do a load of clothes the toilet won't
fill up with water.
Mayor Thomas entertained a motion.
Councilwoman Lichter made a motion to accept Lisa Saunder's
Edgewater in-house solution for having our own shelter with
a five year review in place to make sure the money balances
starting immediately, second by Councilwoman Rhodes.
Councilwoman Rogers stated she wanted to see this with a
one-year review. City Manager Williams informed her it
would be part of their annual audit.
The MOTION CARRIED 5 - 0 .
Councilman Vincenzi asked if they could give anyone in the
room an estimate as to when this will start or what the
process is. City Manager Williams stated they would meet
tomorrow and start the discussions in moving forward with
the construction plans. He didn't want to speculate but
estimated about six months.
Councilwoman Rhodes suggested they make it happen by the
end of the year. City Manager Williams stated with the
approval tonight they are going to move forward with
advertising for a shelter manager.
5. CITY COUNCIL REPORTS
Councilwoman Lichter commented speaking on behalf of the
Council at the Memorial Day ceremony. Mr. Visconti stood
behind the wreath during the service. It really was a
beautiful occasion. She was happy to see the Nam guys and
ladies that are starting to join the Veterans group.
Councilwoman Lichter stated she has been thinking of ways
for the City to make money. About three years ago they had
an Anti-Litter Committee and she worked with the Chamber on
it. She showed the bumper stickers they had printed to put
on the back of cars so if they see people throwing stuff
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out they could contact the Police Department. They have
never gotten the signs on SR 442 or the signs on u.s. #1
that say littering has a fine. She believes the Police
could raise money by ticketing people for littering. It
may raise something and keep our City cleaner.
Mayor Thomas asked for a show of hands of the City
employees that were at the meeting. He thanked them and
applauded them for being there. He has seen a lot of
improvement. He commented on the appearance of the Public
Works Department. It really looks good out there.
Mayor Thomas stated he heard a rumor that the only reason
the City employees are coming to the meetings is because
they are scared for their jobs. He didn't believe that.
He thinks they are becoming more informed and aren't
hearing stuff through the rumor mill. He thinks after the
tax crisis hopefully we will come out pretty good. He
expressed his appreciation for the City employees' support.
Councilwoman Rogers had nothing at this time.
Councilman Vincenzi stated City employees and rumors. The
only way to find out what is really going on is to call
people that know what is going on, not listening to rumors
that circulate around. If they don't call the Councilor
City Manager or department head all they are going to hear
is non-factual stuff.
Councilwoman Rhodes stated she thinks too many rumors have
gone around and too many employees have been too scared for
too long. She thinks the challenge before the Council
should be not what Tallahassee is going to do but whatever
Tallahassee does they find a way to make revenue to support
their employees. She doesn't think they should be blaming
this on Tallahassee. She feels they need to be innovative
and creative and find a way to keep their services the way
they are.
6. CONSENT AGENDA
A. Memorandum of Agreement with Florida Department
of Health, Volusia County Health Department and
the City for Rabies Control Activities
Lead Animal Control Officer Saunders made a staff
presentation.
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Councilwoman Rhodes moved to approve the Consent Agenda,
second by Councilwoman Lichter.
The MOTION CARRIED 5 - 0 .
7. PUBLIC HEARINGS, ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS
A. Res. No. 2007-R-06, adopting VCOG's Smart Growth
Committee recommendation to consider lands
contained in Map "A" as Environmentally Sensitive
Lands to be conserved for future generations
City Attorney Ansay read Res. 2007-R-06 into the record.
City Manager Williams made a staff presentation.
Mayor Thomas commented on how this affects the City. He
feels this is a fantastic idea.
Due to there being no comments, Mayor Thomas opened and
closed the public hearing and entertained the motion.
Councilwoman Lichter moved to approve Res. 2007-R-06,
adopting VCOG's Smart Growth Committee recommendation to
consider lands contained in Map UA" as Environmentally
Sensitive Lands to be conserved for future generations,
second by Councilwoman Rhodes.
The MOTOIN CARRIED 5-0.
B. Public Hearing, Laura Berg and James Locke on
behalf of the Edgewater United Methodist Church,
211 N. Ridgewood Avenue requesting a Special
Activity Permit for a July 4th Celebration and
Barbeque with outdoor music
Development Services Director Darren Lear made a staff
presentation.
Due to there being no comments, Mayor Thomas opened and
closed the public hearing.
Councilwoman Rhodes disclosed she worked for this church
for fifteen years and she is a member of this church.
Mayor Thomas entertained a motion.
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Councilwoman Lichter moved to approve the Special Activity
Permit to allow Edgewater United Methodist Church to hold a
celebration with outdoor music on July 4th, 2007 based on
staff's recommendations, second by Councilwoman Rogers.
The MOTION CARRIED 5 - 0 .
C. 1st Reading, Ord. No. 2007-0-12, Trey Harshaw
requesting an amendment to the Official Zoning
Map to include 0.459t acres located at 1830
Orange Tree Drive as RP (Residential
Professional) (rezoning)
City Attorney Ansay read Ord. 2007-0-12 into the record.
Development Services Director Lear made a staff
presentation.
Mayor Thomas opened the public hearing.
Councilwoman Lichter asked if she was correct that someone
from Planning & Zoning brought up the subject that on these
corners there is going to be many of these type of
situations and that there always won't be two driveways or
there might be some problems. She asked if they needed to
make some more rules or regulations in terms of these
conversions. Mr. Lear informed her they are currently
looking into that. They have downloaded the latest aerial
photos to look at all those properties along SR 442. Each
property is different and each applicant is going to have a
different proposal. He doubts they could get every
property where they wouldn't have to ask for a variance.
Councilwoman Lichter spoke of a phone call she got three or
four months ago that people that live next door to corner
properties are worried about where the driveway is on the
corner property. There might be a lot of traffic going in
and out near their house, which is still residential.
Those things are going to have to be considered. She asked
if they are setting a precedent too soon without first
putting into effect some rules and restrictions. Mr. Lear
explained the residential professional district is pretty
restrictive. It doesn't allow high, intense uses.
Mayor Thomas closed the public hearing and entertained a
motion.
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Councilwoman Rhodes move to approve Ord. 2007-0-12, Trey
Harshaw requesting an amendment to the Official Zoning Map
to include 0.459f acres located at 1830 Orange Tree Drive
as RP (Residential Professional), second by Councilman
Vincenzi.
The MOTION CARRIED 5 - 0 .
D. Public Hearing, Tom Valley requesting Preliminary
Plat approval for a 130-unit townhouse community
to be known as Edgewater Oaks, located east of
Old County Road, north of Pearl Street (13.6!
acres)
Development Services Director Lear made a staff
presentation.
Glenn Storch, Law Firm of Storch, Morris & Harris,
representing the applicant, stated as advertised this is
exactly what they promised them before. This is the plat
based on the zoning and the community they came up with
before that is an infill development that they hope will
help revitalize the U.S. #1 district.
Councilwoman Lichter asked what price housing they are
talking about. Attorney Storch stated it looked like they
were looking from the very high l's to the medium 2's.
Councilwoman Lichter hopes someday someone comes up with
affordable housing. Attorney Storch stated at this point
anything under 2 is workforce housing. This is something
that will work with the community.
Due to there being no comments, Mayor Thomas opened and
closed the public hearing and entertained a motion.
Councilwoman Rogers moved to approve the Preliminary Plat
for a 130-unit townhouse community to be known as Edgewater
Oaks, second by Councilwoman Lichter.
The MOTION CARRIED 5 - 0 .
E. 2nd Reading, Ord. No. 2007-0-11, Halstead
Resources, Inc. requesting an amendment to the
Comprehensive Plan Future Land Use Map to include
.63! acres of land located west of 121 W. Marion
Avenue as Commercial) (small scale comprehensive
plan amendment) - continue until June 18th
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Councilwoman Rhodes moved to continue Ord. 2007-0-11 until
June 18tb, second by Councilwoman Lichter.
The MOTION CARRIED 5 - 0 .
8. BOARD APPOINTMENTS
There were no Board Appointments at this time.
9. OTHER BUSINESS
A. Engineering Services Work Order #7 - staff
recommending approval of proposal from Quentin L.
Hampton Associates, Inc. for bidding oversight
relating to ParkTowne Industrial Center Roadway
Projects for Rowan Way and Base Leg Drive for an
estimated cost of $19,800.00 and authorize the
City Manager to execute the work order
Director of Environmental Services Terry Wadsworth made a
staff presentation.
Due to there being no comments, Mayor Thomas entertained a
motion.
Councilwoman Lichter made a motion to approve Work Order #7
and authorize execution by the City Manager, second by
Councilman Vincenzi.
The MOTION CARRIED 5 - 0 .
B. Animal Shelter - discussion item with City
Council consensus to move forward with a specific
option for the Animal Shelter
This item was previously discussed on the agenda.
C. New position - approval for creating a new
position which will combine CRA/Grant
Administrator and the Assistant City Manager's
positions to create one position titled:
Assistant to the City Manager/Special Project
Coordinator
City Manager Williams stated he originally put this item
before Council after looking at the staffing associated
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with the Assistant Manager leaving and the elimination of
the Grant Writer position. After further consideration his
recommendation is to postpone it. They would like to
implement and use flex time to try to accommodate the loss
of this position. This was an after thought that was
discussed last Thursday at their director's meeting and he
evaluated it over the weekend and decided it would be a
great place for them to try the flex time approach with
this staff and himself participating. They are proposing
that the City Manager and Paralegal will absorb the
responsibilities of the Assistant Manager. It will
translate into some less efficient operations in terms of
administrative support. As a result of such, they want to
implement and use flex time where appropriate. This
reduction of this position represents a 33% reduction in
the City Manager's department. As they go through and
quantify the effects of the proposed property tax reform,
they will have an opportunity to reevaluate this at some
later date should they find out flex time does not work
out.
Councilwoman Lichter commented on using volunteers at the
shelter. She thought maybe there were people that were
good that were retired that could answer phones. She
mentioned bringing this up at the meeting with the public.
City Manager Williams responded by saying one of the
largest areas they struggle is the time frame with
receiving questions from citizens and then responding back
to them. Councilwoman Rhodes commented on having a
volunteer to answer the phone. Most people are very nice
about the time it takes to solve a problem. What they
aren't nice about is when they call and want someone to
call back and they never do. That makes people mad and it
makes her mad.
City Manager Williams commented on being faced with certain
scenarios. They also rely on other departments where they
can. They will certainly explore those opportunities.
10. OFFICER REPORTS
A. City Clerk
City Clerk Wadsworth had nothing at this time.
B. City Attorney
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City Attorney Ansay had nothing at this time.
C. City Manager
City Manager Williams reported that the City has received
notice from the Public Employees Relation commission that
the Edgewater Police Officers via the Fraternal Order of
Police has filed a charge, which alleges unfair labor
practices as a result of the City's decision to terminate
the janitorial services contract in an effort to save
money. In the complaint, the FOP alleges that the City has
changed the conditions of employment by requiring the
officers to assume responsibility of cleaning the Police
Department. Furthermore the FOP claims that the City's
actions are a result of heated collective bargaining issues
and is an attempt on behalf of the City to intimate
bargaining unit members. At this point, they are going to
have to turn this over to our labor attorney to respond on
the City's behalf to the complaint.
City Manager Williams stated they have to have a discussion
regarding the rescheduling of the meeting in September due
to it falling on Labor Day. He thought the last time this
happened they moved it and had two meetings back to back.
He asked if that was something Council wanted to entertain.
They will work out those dates and bring back some
suggestions for Council.
1) Tentative Agenda Items
11. CITIZEN COMMENTS
The following citizens spoke:
Linda Small, 1629 Willow Oak Drive, asked if the Council
ever decided on a budget workshop date. Councilwoman
Rogers informed her the meetings would be held on July 27th
from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. and August 15th from 5 p.m. to 10 p.m.
if they need it.
Dave Ross, 2803 Needle Palm Drive, stated he was glad to
see the animals are going to get taken care of. Regarding
the survey it is his understanding that one of the
questions was prefaced with a statement that there are
currently 12,000 residential units approved for
construction. He comes up with about 1/3 of that number,
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about 4,000 plus or minus. He would like to know where the
12,000 new homes are going to be built that have already
been approved by Council, because that is what the
statement by the survey people indicated, already approved.
City Manager Williams thought that question incorporated
the 9,000 proposed units for Restorations. Mr. Ross
informed him he didn't believe the survey people told the
people they were questioning that. When the results are
available on the survey, the people need to realize the
answers were based on inaccurate information because that
is not accurate.
12 . ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business to discuss, Councilwoman
Rhodes moved to adjourn. The meeting adjourned at 9:36
p.m.
Minutes submitted by:
Lisa Bloomer
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