03-20-1985
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CITY OF EDGEWATER
PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEETING
"MARCH 20, 1985
Minutes
Chairman Don Bennington called the regul~r meeting to order at 7:00
P.M. in the Community Center.
ROLL CALL
Members present: Messrs. Mackie, Wheeler, Bennington and Ann Thomas.
Mr. Finn, Mr. Quaggin and Mr. Poland were excused. Also present:
Susan Mista, secretary, and one member of the press.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Mr. Wheeler made a motion to approve the minutes of March 6, 1985,
seconded by Mr. Mackie. Motion CARRIED 4-0.
SITE PLAN REVIEWS
SP-8223 - Harold Brown - Apartment Complex - U.S. 1 & Magnolia.
There was no one present to represent this site plan. Mr. Wheeler
made a motion to TABLE this plan, seconded by Mrs. Thomas. Motion
CARRIED 4-0.
SP-8505 - Wheaton Construction Co. for TARMAC - 2 Storage Buildings -
200 North Flagler Avenue.
Mr. Wheaton and Mr. Earle Gordon were present to discuss this site plan.
Chairman Bennington stated that he met with the City Attorney last
evening and he gave him a copy of the letter from the City Engineer
concerning the stormwater calculations for this site plan. He then
read the letter into the minutes, which stated that the stormwater
has been approved by him, the owner had no intention of selling any
portion of the 34 acres involved in this project and it was okay for
them to proceed with same. Chairman Bennington advised that Mr. Alvarez
informed him that a letter from the owner is needed, stating that he has
no intention to subdivide this property. i.If he does ever sell any part
of this property, the City will need a deed or some sort of document
providing access to the property. There is an Ordinance in the books
that says the City has to have access to a public road or right~of-way.
Further, he informed Mr. Gordon and Mr. Wheaton that they needed to
show on the site plan a dedicated access for City rescue vehicles in
case of emergencies.
A lengthy discussion ensued explaining that the City Attorney is requlrlng
that the owner furnish a letter stating he has no intention of subdivid-
ing this land. If he does, he will dedicate an easement to the property.
Also, the plans have to show (to protect the City) the access right-of-
way for emergency vehicles.
Mrs. Thomas made a motion that final approval be given this site plan,
subject to the owner providing a letter stating he has no intention of
subdividing this property and if he does subdivide the property he will
dedicate an easement to the property to the City. This letter has to
be approved by the City Attorney. And, subject to the site plan being
altered to show a dedicated access for emergency vehicles. Mr. Wheeler
seconded the motion. Motion CARRIED 4-0.
SP-8506 - Edwin Hall Const. Co. - Revised Sketch Plan - Bowling Alley,
Office Building, Convenience Store and Laundromat - U.S. 1 & Marion.
Ron Lucas was present to represent this sketch plan. He informed the
Board members that they have revised these plans to include the conven-
ience store and laundromat, and eliminated the office building.
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Mr. Wheeler asked Mr. Lucas how many parking spaces would be provided.
Mr. Lucas said that parcel A, which is the bowling alley, will have
184 parking spaces, and parcel B is 24 spaces, for the convenience
store and laundromat.
Chairman Bennington asked if this project would extend in to the apart-
ment complex that is presently under construction. Mr. Lucas advised
that it would, they will be eliminating one iunit consisting of 16
families. Mr. Lucas explained that they hit a snag when they went
to condominiums. If you have over 100 condominium units the Federal
Government gets involved and they put a cap on you and you have to
sell them within 2 years or you can lose everything you have in them.
Their attorney advised them not to go over having 100 units. They have
now set the project up in three phases and the 4th phase may be used for
rental apartments and not a condominium. Mr. Hall has been inquiring
around the state regarding construction and operation of the bowling
alley and he has been advised that you need lots of parking spaces.
When they came in before with the bowling alley and office building they
showed 159 parking spaces for both. Now they have 184 parking spaces for
the bowling alley, only. Their intention in the beginning was to have
two buildings in the back that run east and west, facing each other with
a central parking lot, now they have changed it to have one building
running north and south with only ten units, thereby cutting out 16
living units. Chairman Bennington said that the site plan for the
apartment complex will have to be amended. Mr. Lucas agreed with him.
Mr. Lucas said the reason he has come in with another sketch plan is
that he does not want to submit even a preliminary site plan until he
has all the information that is required by the Board and the Code.
He asked the Board members about the buffer between the B3 and R4, does
it require an actual planted buffer or can it be a 6' high fence.
Chairman Bennington said yes, it could be a 6' high fence. He asked
Mr. Lucas about landscaping. Mr. Lucas stated the front would be land-
scaped and possibly where the retention areas are shown. Also, they
will plant something between the apartment buildings, at this time they
have not decided where the landscaping will go for sure.
Mr. Lucas said his main question is whether or not the area is usable
as parking and what about the concept of having two owners, if that
should happen in the future. Chairman Bennington said the only thing
he could see is if you ever sold it you would have to do something
about the dedicated easement access, the back parking behind the con~
venience store. Mr. Lucas said there would be a 22~ access easement
there. Concerning the access clear through to the back, Mr. Lucas
said there would be no problem there that he could see that any of
the departments would have. Chairman Bennington said he thought that
access had something to do with the way the buildings were situated
and with this revised plan, it may not exist anymore. He suggested
that when Mr. Lucas comes before the Board with a site plan, that the
plans that were approved for the apartment complex be brought in so
that the two plans could be compared to each other, showing exactly
how the building arrangement and access drives, etc., will be laid out.
SP-8508 - Edwin Hall ConsLCo. - TripTe"x "~2729",,273T In"dia'Palni Drive.
Ron Lucas was present to discuss this site plan. Chairman Bennington
advised Mr. Lucas that stormwater calculations would be required for
this site plan. Mr. Lucas advised that they have been ordered by their
engineer. Mr. Wheeler said that he needs to present a sealed set of
plans. Chairman Bennington noted that they have not submitted a sealed
survey.
Mrs. Thomas made a motion that final approval be given this site plan,
subject to receiving the stormwater management calculations and having
same approved bv the City Engineer, receiving an architect'"s sealed set
of plans and a sealed survey of the property. Mr. Wheeler seconded the
motion. Motion CARRIED 4-0.
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SP-8509 - Alfred DeCubellis - Sketch Plan - Storage Building - 26th &
Hibiscus.
Mr. Wheeler noted that a warehouse is not a permitted use in the B2
zoning. Chairman Bennington asked Mr. DeCubellis how large the building
will be, to which Mr. DeCubellis stated 12' x 20'. Chairman Bennington
stated that miniwarehouses are listed in the Code with the required size
being 10x10x20. He read from the Code concerning the size which states
the structure cannot exceed 10' in height, 10' in width and 20' in length.
This is for storing goods, wares and merchandise whether for the owner or
for others. Mr. DeCubellis said there will be no water or electricity in
the building, it will be used for dry storage, only. He said he would
change his plans to meet the requirements of the Code.
At 8:05 P.M. a recess was called due to the fact the secretary could not
get the recording machine to operate. After working on the machine for
several minutes, Chairman Bennington called the meeting back to order at
8:10 P.M. and asked that the minutes reflect that the dictaphone machine
was inoperable and the secretary would transcribe the remainder of the
meeting from her notes.
Chairman Bennington advised Mr. DeCubellis he would need to have an
engineer to do the stormwater management calculations for this project,
which would have to be approved by the City Engineer, the building must
be no larger than 10'xlO'x20', the parking requirements must be met.
Mr. DeCubellis said that he wanted to know from the Board, before he
spent a lot of money having an engineer draw up the plans, whether or
not a structure such as this could be built on this property. Chairman
Bennington said yes, with the engineering calculations and the size
requirements according to the Code. Mr. DeCubellis thanked the Board
members for their time and information.
NEW BUSINESS
Review request from Alfred DeCubellis for permission to operate wholesale
used car business in B2 zone.
Mr. DeCubellis explained that he owns and operates a body shop on Guava
and he wants to be able to purchase wrecked automobiles, fix them up and
take them to auction for sale. He said he needs a used car license from
the City to be able to take these cars to the auction, without the license
from the City, he cannot transport the cars to auction for resale.
Chairman Bennington said there are a lot of businesses on Guava that
should not be there, that is why this Board asked Council to change the
zonin~ in that area to II, however, this request was denied. He told
Mr. DeCubellis that it sounds like all he wants is a license from the
City to do what he already is doing. He went on to say that the Board
was under the impression he wanted to open up a used car lot. Mr. De-
Cubellis said no, he would buy. the cars from the auction or from junk
dealers, store them at the back of his property until he fixes them up
and then transport them to the auction for sale. All he can do right
now is fix the cars, he cannot sell them without a City license. He
went on to say that the back of his property is fenced and you would
not be able to see the vehicles from the road.
Chairman Bennington explained to the Board members that Mr. DeCubellis
wishes to be a wholesale car dealer but he has to be licensed in the
City to do so. The City cannot issue him a license for this business
in the B2 zoning. He has come to this Board to amend the zoning to
allow this type of business in this zoning district. He advised Mr.
DeCubellis that if this Board approves of this zoning amendment, this
must be advertised in the newspaper and public hearings will be held
before final determination is made. Chairman Bennington said in his
opinion he would say no to this request for the reason that if someone
else comes in at a later time to put in a wholesale used car business,
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they may want to operate on a larger scale than Mr. DeCubellis and this
could cause problems in the future with having this type business next
to residential zoning. Mrs. Thomas said she would like to look in to
the situation before making a final decision.
Mr. Wheeler made a motion to TABLE this matter to the next meeting. Mr.
Mackie seconded the motion. Motion CARRIED 4-0.
Review request for interaction with Parks & Recreation Board.
Chairman Bennington read the letter from the Parks and Recreation Board
to Council dated February 19, 1985, which requested that this Board
provide them with any data or information concerning property which would
be suitable for parks and recreation. Chairman Bennington said that the
only information he knew of was in the Comprehensive Plan which shows
proposed areas designated for this purpose, however, most of the land
has subsequently been developed into residential housing. It was his
recollection that approximately a year ago Council was given information
concerning all the property that the City owns. He and the Board members
agreed that they would be willing to have a ioint meeting with the Parks
and Recreation Board to discuss this matter further, if they desired.
The secretary was instructed to send a letter to them to that effect.
There being no further business to come before the Board, upon motion
made by Mr. Mackie to adjourn, seconded by Mrs. Thomas, the meeting was
adjourned at 8:30 P.M.
Minutes submitted by:
Susan MistR
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