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02-20-1986 u ~ CITY OF EDGEWATER PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD REGULAR MEETING FEBRUARY 20, 1986 9:00 A.M. COMMUNITY CENTER Chairman Wheeler called to order a regular meeting of the Planning and Zoning Board at 9:00 A.M., February 20, 1986 in the Community Center. ROLL CALL Members present were Messrs. Jake Wheeler, George Quaggin, James Mackie, Paul Loeffler and Billy Klein. Mr. Fred Finn was excused. Also present were Connie Martinez, City Clerk and Administrator and Jan Morris, Secretary. APPROVAL OF MINUTES The minutes of February 06, 1986 were presented for approval. Mr. Quaggin made a motion to approve the minutes as written. Mr. Mackie seconded the motion. Motion CARRIED 5-0. SITE PLAN REVIEW SP 8602 LUIS GEIL MINIWAREHOUSES AT 1808 HIBISCUS DRIVE B-2 Mr. Geil was present to discuss this site plan which is to build a miniwarehouse at 1808 Hibiscus Drive. Mr. Wheeler stated he did not see any architect seal on the plans. Mr. Loeffler questioned the dead end alley stating it does not run all the way through. Mr. Geil stated the alley runs south. Mr. Geil stated there would be no electric in the warehouses and no plumbing except for sprinklers for the lawn. The Board discussed the setbacks finding them in compliance with the code. Mr. Loeffler made a motion to approve Site Plan 8602 with the Engineer's seal. Motion seconded by Mr. Mackie. Motion CARRIED 5-0. SP 8601 R. A. COLEMAN RAC BUSINESS PARK AT 1705 INDUSTRIAL ROAD 1-1 Mr. Coleman was present to discuss this site plan which is to construct a warehouse at 1705 Industrial Road. Mr. Mackie asked if the building was to be one open building or if there would be stalls in it. The building is forty five feet by eighty five feet. The Board discussed the parking spaces. Mr. Loeffler said he only showed four parking spaces and one unloading spot. Mr. Coleman said there was plumbing being put in where bathrooms could be installed if necessary. Mr. Loeffler said one unloading space was all Mr. Coleman needed and that would eliminate three parking spaces. Mr. Wheeler said he had enough parking spaces. He has eight there. Mr. Loeffler said . four of them can not count because he had four overhead doors and you can't park in front of them. The Board discussed the possibility of the warehouse being divided up and rented separately. They were concerned about not having enough parking if this were to be done. Mr. Wheeler said he would have to have two more parking spaces and overhead doors. Mr. Klein asked if he leases these to four different individuals then does the parking requirements change. Mr. Wheeler stated it all depends on how large these spaces are going to be, how many square feet is in it. Mr. Loeffler told Mr. Coleman he has to have a space to unload if it is going to be a warehouse. Mr. Coleman said he could move the dumpster over and put a couple of parking spaces in there. Mr. Coleman asked how many more parking spaces he needed? Mr. Wheeler replied two more and also overhead doors. He added one door will take care of it if they get two more parking spaces. Mr. Loeffler read from the Code Book "off. street loading spaces shall be a minimun dimension of twelve feet by forty feet and overhead clearance of fourteen feet in height above the alley or street'o. Re said that doesn't necessarily mean the door has to be fourteen feet. The Board said they could not give Mr. Coleman a final. Mr. Loeffler said Mr. Coleman only had sixty five feet between the two buildings and if he had a big semi-truck come in there he would use up the whole parking lot just to unload. Mr. Mackie said he would like to know what is going to go in there. Mr. Coleman related to the Board there was nothing in the other building yet. The Board reviewed the plans with Mr. Coleman and his engineer recommending were he could put the additional parking spaces. Mr. Wheeler stated he would need three more parking spaces and overhead doors. Mr. Klein said he would need two loading spaces because his square footage is thirty eight twenty five. Mr. Wheeler said in other words he needs five spaces yet and overhead doors. Mr. Coleman said the book does not say fourteen foot overhead doors. Mr. Loeffler said no, you just need fourteen foot clearance. Mr. Whee~rsaid he could get by with a twelve foot door. Mr. Loeffler said if the Engineer can get four more spaces on the drawing without u ~ sacrificing anything else. Mr. Wheeler stated you have to have two unloading spaces. Mr. Coleman asked in addition to the four spaces? Mr. Loeffler replied no. Mr. Wheeler stated it would be five altogether. Mr. Loeffler said if you are going to use two spaces for the loading space these are ten feet and a loading spaces has to be twelve so you will have to use two. Mr. Wheeler said you are going to have to do something there or those four will be short. Mr. Coleman asked if you could use the two end ones so if you had to back a truck in it would be right up front and plus there is extra space on the two end ones to add. Mr. Loeffler said show us two loading spaces and two more additional parking area. The Board discussed cutting off the berm on the water retention to give more room for parking spaces. Mr. Coleman's Engineer informed them they could not do that because DER will require him to fence it for it would be too steep. The Board replied he might put in another small water retention area by the building that is already constructed. Mr. Wheeler stated what we need is five more parking spaces and a rear door. Mr. Klein made a motion to table this. Mr. Mackie stated he needed to come up with a rear door, more parking spaces and loading docks. Mr. Coleman said we don't need loading docks. Mr. Mackie replied loading spaces. Mr. Coleman asked how many parking spaces? Mr. Wheeler replied five. Mr. Wheeler asked Mr. Klein if he withdrew his motion? Mr. Klein replied I guess at this point I did. Mr. Klein said Mr. Fischer had on this comments "rear door or doors will be required" therefore he wondered if that was one door if he is goi~ to make four units out of it. Mr. Coleman stated he would be putting in four doors. Mr. Mackie stated he would have to go for four because he has four bathrooms in there. He also said he would have to design it to put four doors in the back and he would have to change his parking area and loading and unloading. Mr. Wheeler said he is going to have to change the whole plan. Mr. Mackie said he possibly may have to change his water retention in order to gain what he needs in the front for loading, unloading and more parking area, but as far as water retention it ought to be up to the Engineer to take care of that. Mr. Mackie stated we have to get a letter from the Engineer to see what is acceptable and we don't have anything at the present time. Water retention is very important. Mr. Coleman ask if it would be possible to approve it subject to these changes. Mr. Wheeler said they could not approve it they would have to change the plans and bring them back to them and then they would go from there. The Board said they had to have a report from the City Engineer. Mr. Loeffler stated if the engineer went by the book there shouldn't be any problem. Mr. Loeffler made a motion to table this until they get a revised plan. Motion was seconded by Mr. Mackie. Motion CARRIED 5-0. COZ 86-16 FRANK M. SANVILLE REAL ESTATE SALES OFFICE B-5 2102 S. RIDGEWOOD #16 Mr. Sanville was present to discuss this certificate of zoning. He informed the Board he hoped to have five employees in the future but there would be only one on the floor at a time and the rest would be in and out of the office. Mr. Loeffler made a motion to accept the application. Motion was seconded by Mr. Mackie. Motion CARRIED 5-0. OLD BUSINESS COZ 86-13 ROBERT ANDERSON CONTRACTORS SERVICE OFFICE B-3 929 S. RIDGEWOOD A-4 No one was present to discuss this certificate of zoning. Mr. Mackie made a motion to table this if no one was here. Mr. Klein seconded the motion. Mr. Loeffler said this was before us once before and they tabled it. He added all he wants is to have a office for his plans. Mr. Wheeler said he is suppose to be here. Mr. Mackie said this is Hall's place. Mr. Loeffler stated he did not know any reason why we should deny this it is only a business office and it is B-3. Mr. Mackie and Mr. Klein withdrew their motion and second. Mr. Loeffler made a motion to accept the certificate of zoning. Mr. Mackie seconded the motion. Motion CARRIED 5-0. SP 8525 MICHAEL FAIDLEY 2327 GUAVA DRIVE HAROLD ENGINE REPAIR BUILDING ADDITION Mr. Faidley was present to discuss this site plan. Mr. Loeffler said he looked at this site and he has a lot of dirt to move and the retention pond is awfully deep. He asked if they were going to build a berm to which Mr. Faidley replied yes. Mr. Faidley said the addition was going to be forty by twenty four feet and this has all been approved by the Board except changing the parking lot to be paved rather than shell. He also added they didn't have a drawing of what the landscaping was going to look like that is why they are coming back before the Board. Mr. Wheeler informed Mr. Faidley they had recommended to Council to allow -2- Planning and Zoning Board Minutes February 20, 1986 u u hard shell in that area. Mr. Mackie said everyone had one of these (excerpts from the minutes) of when he was here before. Mr. Loeffler said if he does this according to the plans it is going to be alright. The Board discussed the plans. Mr. Wheeler asked Mr. Faidley if they were paving. Mr. Faidley said they would rather not but when they were here before they were told to pave and bring back plans showing this. Mr. Wheeler told Mr. Faidley even though the recommendation on the paving has been sent to Council it might be some time before they act on it. Mrs. Martinez said it was on the Council's agenda for March 3. Mr. Loeffler stated he has the pavement on the plans therefore he moved they accept the plan as it is. Mr. Mackied seconded the motion. Motion CARRIED 5-0. There being no further business to come before the Board Mr. Quaggin made a motion to adjourn. Motion seconded by Mr. Loeffler. The meeting was duly adjourned at 10:10 A.M. Minutes respectively submitted by: Jan Morris -3- Planning and Zoning Board Minutes February 20, 1986