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04-16-1968 Joint w/Planning Board & Zoning Commission ~ ',..:>.( OtJ:~ [) "'----...... u r[) u o ~ -Q V .~d ...-- -~ o 1~;O i Lill. tOlLJ.,; --.' - .-::, MINUTES OF A SPECIAL JOINT MEETING OF THE CITY PLANNING BOARD AND THE CITY ZONING COMMISSION HELD APRIL 16, 1968 A Special Meeting of the City Planning Board and the City Zoning Commission was held in the Mayor's Office at 8:00 P.M. Most of the members of both Boards were present. This Special Meeting was called to study the maps available and theimminent impact on the City of Edgewater in regard to the interchange from 1-95 which will access at Indian River Boulevard. Mr. R. Fisher called for order and then said, "There is a question on zoning. We should decide if we want to zone this area residential, commercial or for industry." Mr. Fitzpatrick, "When you say business and commercial, are you talking about in the City Limits? What about the homes already on Indian River Boulevard? They are not very happy about the few business firms lo.cated there now." Mr. Dietz, "The right of way now is 100 foot. We will have to look into the setback; we have 65 foot now, and we do not know whether they are going to take the remaining 35 foot from both sides or just one side." Mr. Loveland, "Are you talking about a 100 foot right of way for the road or what? Do they intend paying for the road all the way to US l?" Mr. Dietz, "The State pays for the construc- tion of the road to US 1. I have talked to the engineer and the right of .../ay is 100 foot". Mr. Johnson, "What or who determines the right of way, and also the road to be used for access? What about Oak Hill?" ~1 r. Die t z, " T his w ill bet h e 1 a s tin t e r c h a n g e b e for e the 0 n e in Mims; and the interchange in Mims is still considered to be temporary. It may be closed tomorrow, or it may be made permanent some time in the future." Mr. Loveland, "You are right about that; even if they don't put one in when building the road, they can always put one in later. Look at all they have added to IS-4." .-;j Mr. Wiggins, "Magnuson Properties have been holding the north and south sides of Indian River Boulevard for future invest- ment. Can the State condemn these lots or take more than the original right of way?" Page One .. , v u ~ " 'I . ~ ~ v Q o o Mr. Fisher, "They can take the other 35 foot anytime; in fact, they can take as much as they want; they can go to Court to get what they want if necessary. Also, you are better off to take their first offer, because when it is necessary for them to take you to Court, you can lose considerable money." ~1 r. L 0 vel and, " The r 0 a d p 0 s sib 1 y won' t b e a s wid e a s the r 0 a d is presently. As far as the present property owners are con- cerned, it won't mean their property will sit right on the side of the road." Mr. Fisher, "We have to entertain the idea of industy, new homes, commercial enterprise of all kinds. We will feel the impact of the Inlet Stabilization, Disneyland, Tarzanland and the Seashore National Park. Also, the Scenic Highway planned to run through the marsh islands in the inland waterway." Mr. Loveland, "How much distance is there from the West bound- ary of Florida Shores to the route of 1-95?" Mr. Dietz, "Three and one tenth of a mile, and if we don't zone it we won't have any control over the future planning there. I feel the first question we have to solve here is that three mile stretch from West of the tracks to the City Limits. Would it be advisable to change the zoning from residential to commercial and/or industrial?" Mr. Fisher, "If we zone it commercial or indus- trial, the property will immediately increase in value." Mr. Loveland, "Do you think we will lose anything be changing the zoning from residential to commercial?" Mr. McCallister, "On this commercial zoning, Edgev/ater has the whole City Limits, north to south and both sides of US 1 zoned commercial. Right now we must have 50% of our commercial zoned property not in use. Won't another commercial zone be standing stagnant?" Mr. Dietz, "Let's say we get 500 more homes in the next five years. If you don't have sufficient commercial zones, where do you get the service and commodities for these people?" Mr. Johnson, " If you do commercialize, you might have a tin pan a 11 e y . Mr. M c Call i s t e r, "r~ 0 s t 0 f you r pro f e s s ion alp 1 ann e r s find most small towns have put aside too much land for commer- cial and industrial areas." r~ r . . B r i t tin g ham " " Was n 't the rea n are a set a sid e by Mag nus 0 n t 0 be a shopping center?" Mr. Wiggins, "There is a small section, and hi 0 s t r e e t s b a c k by the rail r 0 a d are z 0 n e d com mer cia 1 . " . r~r. Fisher, "This tract in question could be zone~d commercial . with restrictions." Page Two l~nH-';l (',II') , , ~r'no ~ . ... II . '( . I "I I 1 '. .~ -I .' .1 r~'I:;'~ J' ~ 1,.1' ( " v u v ~ ......, <.) u o ~1 r. L 0 vel and, " W hat wet h ink 0 f to day a s the c e n t e r 0 f tow n is Park Avenue. It will change with this access." Mr. John= son, "Yes that may be, but US 1 will ,remain your prime com- mercial property; most of it has a 250 foot setback." Mr. Loveland, "Yes and that 250 setback doesn't give you any room for parking. You couldn't possible put in a shopping center." Mr. Dietz, "We have something here over which we have no con- trol; we have this thing coming here which will have a terrific impact on our City. It is being forced on us. We have to de- cide now what we want to do with this area." Mr. Fisher, "Relative to the Seaside Park, I believe an ideal spot for a bridge would be right off of Indian River Boulevard.1I Mr. McCallister, "Along with that, we should certa;inly line up our plans with the State planning, in order to get the Federal funds alloted for these projects. We will sure need them, and the State Planners will push their ideas first; it goes like this, State to County to City." Mr. Johnson,"lf we have adequate space on US 1, doesn't that lessen our need for commercial zoning on Indian River Boulevard?" Mr. Brittingham, "The way I understand it, there is approximate- ly another two miles that does not belong to the City; there is 32 sections in that area, and we already know of over 300 owners.1I Mr. Dietz, "I'm sure we can deal with these people; they will have to come to us for water, sewers, etc. Business will also come to us and it puts in a position of being the only available source of services etc. The property west of here will be lots cheaper than you can get property on US 1 today. I definitely think we should have some control over the type of commercial establishments to be in the City Limits." Mr. McCallister, "If that area is going to be commercial, even restricted zoning, we can be pretty sure the majority of people won't want to build nearby." Mr. Fisher, "I have composed a letter to Piper Industries about locating their plant here." Mr. Johnson, "I think New Smyrna Beach has that sewed up tight." Mr. McCallister, "I think we should send the letter, it is a good idea and shows we are at least interested in that sort of industry." Mr. Brittingham, "To get back to the zoning, you should make sure of the type of business who might be interested in buy- ing in that area; we certainly don't want a "tobacco road". , 'I Mr. Loveland, "Will the state discourage a residential area; an access road will certainly make it difficult to control the speed of the traffic coming off 1-95." Mr. Dietz, "The State does not interfere with zoning. That is the perogative of 'the City." Page Three :'l~: ;::~'I r)i. 1.4 f10 \"111"(: ~.. (-"Tflt') jl;;(.I."{. ~ .'~ v ;0' --.... ( ~ v o o o Mr. loveland, "Well, the question now is, what are we going to do with Indian River Boulevard. Let's pin this down; are we going to discuss the zoning situation and Indian River Boulevard, or are we just going to waste our time in idle discussion." Mr. Fisher, "Let's boil it down, condense the discussion. This area will certainly feel the impace; we all agree with thaL" ~1 r. L 0 vel and, "D 0 w e wan t tog eta v 0 t e t hat i s bin din g fro m this group here tonight, or is this just to be a suggestion out of this group to be presented formally to the Zoning Com- mission?" Mr. Dietz, "This meeting is to get a concensus of opinion. Then the Planning Board should investigate the sit- uation and make their recommendations to the Zoning Commis- sion. The \'/hole matter must be looked into very thoroughly." Mr. McCallister, "Eventually the whole thing will have to be recommended to the City Counci 1." Mr. Hamel, "First, I think you should be aware of the facts, particularly those relative to what the majority of the res- idents in this town want. Naturally, most businesses want to see growth to stimulate prosperity. However, I feel a great number of the residents here want a small quiet residential place to live. If they were interested in a thriving metro- polis, they would have chosen, Jacksonville, Orlando or per- haps Miami." Mr. Dietz, "The people of this town want pro- gress. I spoke recently to the people in Florida Shores; most of them paid fifteen thousand or more for their homes, and now they would sell them readily for ten thousand because of the stagnant conditions in this City. They see nothing but losses and embarrassment. In both residential and bus- iness areas. We have to offer something to industry to keep our residents. You can't even buy a man's suit, a women's dress, shoes; we don't even have a supermarket. .You can't buy anything in Edgewater' is the way these people put it. They have to go elsewhere to shop for merchandise and even for services. Why shouldn't the City of Edgewater benefit by some of this gravy?" Mr. Hamel, "I still say they want fishing and that sort of thing in a small quiet community." ~1 r. B r i t tin g ham, " Well, i t doe s nit t a kern u c h to see t hat i f it is a merry-go-round,~)we better start to get on it." " Mr. Loveland, "Why can't we start by zoning entire blocks; approximately twelve to fifteen lots comprise a block in this area. If you change to controlled commercial, you can cover the whole block. Part of a block could be factory type zoning, and another location in the same block could be professional." , ", " "' I , 1 I - .~ i I Page Four ;xn,'oj ('\11'" . r;',-no "(II'''' r;~:;'9 1 (;(,':' t. t :-:\ (.) u ""--I \J o <.) o Mr. Fit z pat r i c k, " W hat a b 0 u t the man ."J hob 0 ugh tal 0 t t 0 b u i 1 d on when he retires?" Mr. viiggins, "I think we are safe in say- ing most of these people will gain by commercial zoning. They could sell there lots for more than they paid for them, and there will undoubtedly be opportunities to trade them. I think we should certainly consider the land west of the railroad to be also controlled commercial zoning." Mr. Dietz, "I like Mr. Loveland's idea. Zone the whole block or section." Mr. Wiggins. "I think we should plan to maintain a good looking entrance to the Shores." Mr. Loveland. "I'd like to see that remain as is in the future. leaving the residential as such. or we could make some sort of allowance to be able to change it in the future. The present owners of property in this section should be informed as to the fact that the area will be zoned completely commercial in the future." ~1r. Johnson, "Rather than thinking of commercial zoning, I'd rather take the extra 40 foot left over from the highway, and make it into a beautiful parkway." Mr. Dietz. "You couldn't do that; you can't even put a walkway or cut the grass on the State right of way." Mr. McCall ister, "I understand the first thing we must do, is get the City Council \'/ith us and have a base map made up." Mr. Loveland, "You are right, the zoning change will take a Public Hearing. and I'Je have to be able to show them something." Mr. Dietz, "We have to have a concrete plan first." Mr. Loveland, "In case there are homes to be included in these areas, the commercial zoned property should be made to acquire a set back of at least 120 feet." I" r. r~ c C all i s t e r. " W ell. \'/ ear e rig h t b a c k a g a in; w hat kin d 0 f commercial zoning are we tal king about?" Mr. Dimm, "It wont have to be specified; if you make it restricted commercial, the Zoning Board will always have full control over the area. I would say it is still too early in the program to worry over it." f" r. M c C all i s t e r. "I t h ink you will fin d the res ide n t s already in that area are going to be mighty interested in what kind of commercial zoning there will be. They are going to want to know what to expect adjacent to their property." Mr. Goodrich. "Well the setback \'/ill help to put their minds at rest; however. I believe that the setback should be the same regardless to the type of business to eliminate confusion in the future." Mr. Fisher, "Alright gentlemen, I believe we have had suffic- ient discussion. Let's call for a concensus of opinion on this question right now. Is it the general opinion of this group that we should commercialize the area from west of the railroad to the City Limits on both sides of Indian River Boulevard. the area to be one block in depth?" Mr. McCall- ister, "I move that we table further discussion and all de- cisions until the next meeting. We all need more time to . study the whole setup in detai 1." 'I~: I:~\)! r;I,~r10 \"111"" -- . l'!I'fl~) } ,:.",1' ( Page Five .. . . 'to ~ '-" ~ (.J ~ ~\" ...., Q o o Motion to ,table duly made by Carl Johnson, seconded by George Fitzpatrick, and there were no objections. Time of Adjournment lO~40 P.M. Minutes taken by Gertrude B. Dunn Page Si~ r I I I I . 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