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06-13-1991 u u ~ \..- ~ '-'- ~ \ ... / CITY OF EDGEWATER LAND DEVELOPMENT AND RFGULATORY AGENCY REGULAR MEETING THURSDAY, JUNE 13, 1991 6:30 P.M. COMMUNITY CENTER, CITY HALL Chairman C. Peter Hellsten called to order a special meeting of the Land Development and Regulatory Agency at 6:30 p.m., Thursday June 13, 1991, in the Community Center of City Hall. ROLL CALL: Members present Hildenbrand, Mr. Garthwaite and was excused. Also present Planning and Zoning and Beverly APPROVAL OF MINUTES: were Mr. Masso, Mr. Fazzone, Mr. Chairman Hellsten. Mr. Klein were Mark P. Karet, Director of Kinney, Recording Secretary. The minutes of May 9, 1991 were presented for approval. Mr. Fazzone moved to approve the minutes as presented, seconded by Mr. Garthwaite. Motion CARRIED 5-0. The minutes of May 23, 1991 were presented for approval. Mr. Fazzone moved to approve the minutes as presented (after correcting the word plan on page 1.> Seconded by Mr. Garthwaite. Motion CARRIED 4-0. (Mr. Garthwaite not voting as he had been excused from the meeting.> It was decided by the agency to go to New Business. NEW BUSINF.SS: SF-9101. Special Fxception for an Indoor Flea Market: Mr. Karet recommended the special exception to allow the indoor flea market at 616 N. Ridgewood Avenue. He also informed the agency that a similar request had been granted in 1989, under Section 903.01, B-5, Granting Special Exceptions and Section 606.04(d>, Special Exceptions. Mr. Karet also stated this would be done in an existing shopping center with major arterial access. Currently there is adequate access and infrastructure. Limitations placed on the flea market under B-5 zoning requirements would be: may operate only on Friday, Saturday, Sunday and legal holidays; LDRA may impose regulations as long as they are legitimate, like individual vendors to be licensed by the city (as was done for the previous flea market.> Mr. Karet stated the Planning and Zoning Department supports the request for an indoor flea market. Jp.an Bloom. 464 Palmetto Strp.et. Edqewater: Ms Bloom stated she is against the flea market as she lives to the south side of it and cars park in her yard. There is also garbage (trash, bottles, cans, etc.> thrown around near her property. The applicant stated whatever adhere to the code. is necessary will be done to Chairman Hellsten asked how many vendors were expected. Mr. Karet replied forty-two (42). Ms. Doris Hill asked, was this where the previous flea market was located? Mr. Karet stated it was and most of the problems developed prior to permitting and it was passed as mercantile, but the city considered it a flea market. Ms. Hill also inquired about traffic. Mr. Karet indicated any business going in would add some traffic . - . o o and if we had to deny because of increase in traffic, then nothing would be permitted anywhere. Mr. Fazzone stated a few years ago the Winn Dixie was located in this building and he doesn't believe this will generate any additional traffic. Mr. Garthwaite made a motion to grant the special exception with each vendor to have a separate license prominently displayed at their booth. Seconded by Mr. Masso. Motion CARRIED 5-0. CONTINUED BUSINESS: Siqn Ordinance: Mr. Karet stated the staff made all the requested changes and asked when the LDRA would like it to go to Council. Also, the Chamber of Commerce and Edgewater Library will get copies of the proposed ordinance. Copies have also been made available to those people requesting them. Ron Carwile. (owner Coastal Tire). 1309 Bond Street. ~dqewater. Florida: Mr. Carwile stated he heard from previous meetings that approximately sixty percent (60X) of the current signs will be non-conforming. Mr. Carwile feels it will affect more than sixty percent (60X). He understands the agency is discussing changing U.S. 1, but everyone has a different idea. The tab on this ordinance will cost each business approximately $2,500.00. He said you can't expect the area to look like Boca Raton, because patronage is not high enough and business owners will have to raise their prices. Mr. Carwile would like to know what image the City is looking for. Chairman Hallsten stated the ordinance started out like Boca Raton's, but a Sign Ad Hoc Committee member went to Boca Raton and then reported to the committee their present sign ordinance wasn't exactly what we wanted. There were changes made to the ordinance which are reflected in previous minutes. Mr. Hellsten reported, not all businesses wili be able to comply and there are relief measures. It was agreed that pole signs are not attractive and that Port Orange is losing pole sings and their city looks good. Chairman Hellsten also mentioned all Sign Ad Hoc Committee meetings were opened to the public and all meetings had been advertised. No business owners attended these meetings, until now. He also stated the sign ordinance is still in draft stages and can be amended. Mr. Carwile discussed renewing sign permits annually and feels it is just a new tax. Chairman Hellsten stated the fees will be determined by council. Mr. Karet stated, if the concern was with single structures, it would be easy. The reason for the plan is it sets up standards for areas of multi-unit structures so that all those signs will be brought into uniformity and in compliance with the code. Chairman Hellsten stated there was various discussions from phasing, amortization, non-permitted and non-conforming signage. He also said the LDRA would welcome specific proposals. Mr. Masso asked Mr. Carwile if he would like to suggest to the LDRA any specific requirements for the sign ordinance. Chairman Hellsten said the amend the sign ordinance, was formed. City Council instructed the LDRA to consequently the Sign Ad-Hoc Committee Land Development and Regulatory Agency Regular Meeting June 13, 1991 2 " to o o Slle Perry. (Broker), 409 FL'lqler Avenue. New Smyrna Beach. Florida: Ms. Perry stated 15% of business comes from signage. She was surprised that there were no more people here to discuss this issue. Chairman Hellsten said it doesn't help the agency very much by not getting more input from the businesses. Georqe Lewis. (Siqn Manufacturer) Mission Road. ~dqewater. Florida: Mr. Lewis would like to obtain a copy of the old and new ordinance. As a sign manufacturer he makes pole signs and this will affect his business. Photos of the signs he manufactures were presented to the LDRA. Bill Perry. (owner - Neptune Lounqe) Commodore Drive. New Smyrna Beach. Florida: Mr. Perry feels there has been no participation from the businesses, because people weren't informed on an individual basis. He thinks all effected businesses should be notified in writing. Mr. Perry also noted, in the restaurant business everyone reads the pole sign and as much as 30% of the business can be affected. Not allowing the pole sign is letting the government regulate his business. Mr. Faz70ne sympathizes with committee could get some input it to see if it has any merit. the problem, but said if the on signs, the LDRA would consider Chairman Hellsten stated by arranging for a publicly advertised open workshop of the Sign Ad Hoc Committee and allowing for an open discussion from those affected, that it will result in a revised draft. Assuming, the people that come to the workshop, come with an open mind with the idea of trying to get a sign ordinance that makes Edgewater look better and also provide the economic opportunity to advertise businesses. Mr. Fazzone made a motion to call a workshop of the Sign Ad-Hoc Committee and the LDRA and advertise to draw the people to a meeting and sit down at a workshop to workout any of the problems that exist. Seconded by Mr. Masso. Motion CARRIED 5-0. A considerable amount of discussion followed related to the need of the business owners to participate in the upcoming workshop and agreed a compromise can be reached. Discussion was also had relating to the possibility of sending letters to all the licensed businesses in Edgewater notifying them of the Sign Ad- Hoc Committee workshop. Mr. Karet explained there is approximately one-thousand businesses licensed in Edgewater and we are not able to provide that amount of letters in such a short period of time. A public notice will be prepared for the newspaper notifying the businesses of the workshop. Mr. Karet stated that those business owners attending this meeting will be provided copies of the draft sign ordinance. DISCUSSION ITEMS: Planninq and Zoninq Director's Reports: Mr. Karet stated DCA has reviewed the submittal in regard to the Comprehensive Plan that has been approved by the Planning portion of DCA. The City has to sign the agreements and send them back to DCA. Mr. Karet Land Development and Regulatory Agency Regular Meeting June 13, 1991 3 /J , ~ o o asked the LDRA to review their copies of the Comprehensive Plan that was provided to them and be familiar with the document as they will be required to vote on it. Chairman's Reports: Chairman Hellsten reported on the workshop he attended recently in Orlando, on land planning, etc. One area of interest, was the LDRA can do re-zonings and not worry about the recriminations of taking away the use of the property. There is a tape of the entire workshop available. Chairman Hellsten will provide the phone number for anyone interested. He also saw a video provided by the Planning and Zoning Department of a lecture given by an architect and planner who developed a community known as Seaside, who has an approach in land planning and development that is unique and at the same time very traditional. Chairman Hellsten found the tape very interesting in the approach to land development. He also said there is another workshop scheduled for June 26, 1991, on water resources. Anyone interested in attending should contact Mr. Karet. Aq~ncy M~mber Reports: None at this time. AD30URNMENT: There being no further business to come before the Agency a motion was made and seconded to adjourn. Meeting adjourned at 8:00 p.m. Minutes Respectfully Submitted By: Sondra Meager-Pengov, Secretary Land Development and Regulatory Agence /SMP Land Development and Regulatory Agency Regular Meeting June 13, 1991 4