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03-27-1991 Joint w/Sign Ad Hoc Committee .' o o CITY OF EDGEWATER JOINT MEETING LAND DEVELOPMENT AND REGULATORY AGENCY SIGN AD HOC COMMITTEE THURSDAY, MARCH 27, 1991 6:30 P.M. COMMUNITY CENTER Chairman C. Peter Hellsten called to order a joint meeting of the Land Development and Regulatory Agency and the Sign Ad Hoc Committee at 6:31 p.m., Thul-sday, Mat-ch 27, 1991, in the Community Center. The purpose of the meeting is to discuss and possibly take action regarding the proposed sign ordinance. ROLL CALL Land Development and Requlatory Aqency Siqn Ad Hoc Committee Mr. Hellsten Mr. Garthwaite Mr. Fazzone Mr. Klein l'1r. Hildenbl-and l'1r. Masso l'1r. Ross i tel- Present Excused Pl-esent Present Present Present Present Mr. Hellsten l'1rs. Bennington Mrs. BOl-nel- Mr. Cichewicz Mrs. Hill Present Present P,-esent Present Present Mr. Masso and Chairman Hellsten agreed that an excellent job had been done in preparing the draft before the members. Chairman Hellsten stated that one (1) issue yet to be resolved is how to handle existing non-conforming signs, since the Ad Hoc Committee has not been able to agree on how to address non- conforming signs. There was discussion regarding amortization, bringing signs into compliance at the time the business is sold, or if there is a change of tenancy. Mrs. Hill stated that businesses change hands quite often and it can be a hardship on a new business to immediately bring their signage into compliance. She added that amortization is her preference with a time frame of anywhere from five (5) to twenty (20) years, depending on the life of the sign. The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) depreciation schedule was discussed. Mrs. Bennington stated that the average life of a sign for depreciation purposes, per the IRS, is seven (7) years. Mr. Cichewicz stated that a ten (10) year amortization schedule is adequate, Chairman Hellsten stated that the American Planning Association model ordinance suggests five (5) to ten (10) years, and Mr. Karet stated that a seven year amortization is fair. Mrs. Hill stated that if a sign is one (1) year old, is non- conforming, and the business is sold, it would not be equitable for the new owner to replace the sign. Mrs. Bennington stated that they can appeal to the LDRA. Donald Benninqton, 121 Virqinia Street stated that whatever time frame is chosen for amortization, it cannot be arbitrary. Chairman Hellsten stated that the APA Model Ordinance recommends an amortization period of five (5) to ten (10) years. Mr. Fazzone moved that a seven (7) year period from the date of implementation of the ordinance, or change of ownership (name on business license), or change of tenancy, whichever comes first, will cause signage to come into compliance. Mr. Masso seconded the motion. Motion Carried 10-1, with Mrs. Hill voting no. Political signs were discussed. Mrs. Bennington did not agree with posting a bond for each sign erected. Chairman Hellsten pointed out that after an election most candidates do not take their campaign signs down. The bond will be used to pay for the cost of city employees removing the signs. 1 o o There was also discussion regarding the number of political signs permitted on residential property. There was discussion regarding a letter March 12th issue of the New Smyrna Newspaper written by Curt Hayman, a Chairman Hellsten asked that a copy of each member. to the editor in the Beach News and Observer local sign contractor. the article be given to There was some discussion as to how the city should notify interested persons about the upcoming changes to the sign ordinance. Mrs. Bennington suggested notifying each business owner, or placing a large advertisement in a newspaper. Chairman Hellsten stated the Chamber can help, and Mr. Karet stated that perhaps a note can be placed on the utility bills that go out. Mr. Fazzone suggested placing a copy of the draft sign ordinance in City Hall, the Library, and the Chamber of Commerce. Chairman Hellsten asked that up within the next two (2) political signs. an Ad-Hoc weeks to Committee meeting be set make a decision regarding There being no further business to discuss, Mrs. Bennington moved to adjourn the meeting of the Sign Ad-Hoc Committee, seconded by Mr. Cichewicz. The Ad-Hoc Committee adjourned at approximately 7:45 p.m.. Joint Meeting of the Land Development and Regulatory Agency Sign Ad-Hoc Committee Wednesday, March 27, 1991 Chairman Hellsten called a recess of the Land Development and Regulatory Agency at 7:45 p.m.. Chairman Hellsten reconvened the meeting of the Land Development and Regulatory Agency at 8:05 p.m., Wednesday, March 27, 1991, in the Community Center. AN-0490 455 Acres: Mr. Karet stated that the revenue projections provided to the members came from the applicants with input from the city. Mr. Karet added that the city agrees with the figures in general. Mr. Karet noted some corrections on the revenue projections (ie: Building permits 150.00 >: 650 - total= $97,000.00, the total for State Revenue Sharing is overestimated by $5,000.00 to $10,000.00), and the Ad Valorem is underestimated because of commercial proRerty which was not taken into account. Mr. Karet pointed out that not all of the $1,595,750.00 in revenue will be in cash. Some of the total will be in improvements which will be made by the developer and golf membership open to the general public. Chairman Hellsten stated that when projected costs and projected revenue is figured, it is pretty much even. Mr. Karet stated that police services will be covered through increased revenue, according to the Police Chief. Mr. Karet added that there will be the contribution of an acre of land for the development of a fire station, and the fire station is already needed for that area of the city. Mr. Fazzone stated that the city needs the golf course, not only for recreation, but also for water reuse, but people in the community are concerned that they may be subsidizing this Land Development and Regulatory Agency Special Meeting Wednesday, March 27, 1991 2 o o project, and the city can't afford this development if the money isn't coming in up front. Mr. Karet stated that the water and sewer will be paid up front for each of the three (3) phases. Chairman Hellsten stated that the impact fees will pay for the services provided. Mr. Karet added that the fees will cover the cost of the infrastructure, and there is also a lot of infrastructure the developer will place at his own cost. There was further discussion regarding fire protection. Mr. Fazzone stated the national average would require the hiring of six (6) more fire fighters at an average of $25,000.00 per year, per employee. Mr. Karet stated that it isn't equitable to national standards for the annexation, and we currently have six (6) fire fighters for a population of 15,337. It was noted, ~ Mrs. Giqi Benninqton, that fire protection is needed for that area of the city whether or not the proposed annexation occurs. Mr. Karet added that less than one (1) additional fire fighter will be needed for the annexation based on existing city standards. Mr. Fazzone pointed out that mobile homes going into the development will not pay the Ad Valorem fees that other types of housing will bring in. Mr. Masso stated that the tag fee for a manufactured home is higher. Mr. Karet stated it is not enough to make a difference as compared to a traditional home. Mr. Klein stated the Governor will not change the system because of opposition. Georqe Naile stated that the people moving into the development will not be paying property taxes. Mr. Al Keaton stated that those people are taxed for patios, sheds, etc., that they place on the property. Mr. Fazzone stated that he went to the Co~nty Assessor's office and checked over one hundred (100) residences in Edgewater Landing. Mr. Fazzone stated that those people pay less taxes for a home on a lot worth $100,000.00 than a small $50,000.00 traditional home. There was water and some discussion sewer. regarding the current impact fees for Mrs. Benninqton pointed out that only one third of the city's budget is generated from Ad Valorem taxes. Chairman Hellsten stated that in reality no one is paying their own way. Mrs. Bennington stated that is correct. Mrs. Bennington stated that the golf course will generate revenue (ie: gas taxes, etc.) for the city. Mr. Fazzone reiterated that the golf course will also help get rid of wastewater. Chairman Hellsten stated that the Agency's obligation should end with agreeing on the figures presented and stating there is no real difference between costs versus income. Mr. Masso moved to send the documentation to the City Council with a statement that costs and income are, in same essence, basically a trade off. Mr. Rossiter seconded. The motion failed 3-3 with Mr. Fazzone, Mr. Hellsten, and Mr. Klein voting no. After further discussion, Mr. Fazzone moved to send all the information collected tonight and forward to the City Council without comment. Mr. Klein seconded the motion. Motion Carried 6-0. Land Development and Regulatory Agency Special Meeting Wednesday, March 27, 1991 3 o o There being no further business to come before the Agency, Mr. Klein moved to adjourn, seconded by Mr. Hildenbrand. The meeting adjourned at approximately 9:15 p.m.. Land Development and Regulatory Agency Special Meeting Wednesday, March 27, 1991 Minutes Respectfully Submitted by: Beverly Kinney, Secretary 4