01-26-1989
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CITY OF EDGEWATER
LAND DEVELOPMENT AND REGULATORY AGENCY
REGULAR MEETING
6:00 P.M.
THURSDAY, JANUARY 26, 1989
COMMUNITY CENTER
Chairman Nancy Blazi called to order a regular meeting of the
Land Development and Regulatory Agency at 6:05 p.m., Thursday,
January 26, 1989, in the Community Center.
ROLL CALL:
Members present were Mr. Bennington, Mrs. Blazi, Mr. Garthwaite,
Mrs. Glover, Mr. Klein, Mr. Mackie, and Mrs. Martin. Also present
were Jose Alvarez, City Attorney, William Powers, City Manager,
David Mitchum, Mayor, Joseph Ong, Planning and Zoning Director, and
Beverly Kinney, Secretary.
NEW ITEMS:
Mr. Mackie moved to start with items 3, 5, 7, and 8, and then go
to the regular agenda schedule, Mrs. Glover seconded. Motion Carried
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Sketch Plan Storage Shed 1804 Hibiscus Drive: Mary Hanson, attorney,
was present to represent Paul Bowman, owner. There was a lengthy
discussion regarding the type of construction (metal or wood), whether
the shed would be on a concrete slab or skids, ventilation for the
shed, and the materials being stored. The members went through the
Department Head comments. There was a brief discussion regarding
an alley at the rear of the lot. Mrs. Joan Strong, resident of 18th
Street, was also included in the discussion. There was further
discussion regarding locking the shed, the shed area being fenced, and
the use of non-flammable materials. Mrs. Glover moved to approve
the sketch plan with the area being fenced, the shed being locked, and
the use of non-flammable materials. Mrs. Martin seconded. Motion
Carried 5-2. Mr. Bennington and Mr. Klein voted no.
Petition Requesting Falcon Avenue Not Be Opened To Florida Shores
Subdivision: The Agency went through the Department Head comments,
and Mrs. Blazi read the petition from the homeowners of Pelican Cove
West subdivision into the record. Mr. John Scherz, 905 Egret Court,
was the appointed spokesperson for the group attending. He stated
the subdivision was laid out as a large cul-de-sac, and access to
or from Florida Shores would cause traffic problems, elevate the
chance of crime, and cause v.ehicular/pedestrian accidents. Mr. Scherz
also discussed the previous and many problems the homeowners have had
with the subdivision and the developer. There was discussion among
the members with Mr. Scherz that included emergency vehicle access, and
the six foot (6') planted buffer between Florida Shores and Pelican
Cove West. There was some discussion about the homeowners blocking
off the Florida Shores access. They were advised they would need to
make formal application to the City. There was no action taken by
the Agency regarding this request.
Variance Request 515 N. Ridgewood Avenue: Mr. Bennington moved to
recess for a public hearing, seconded by Mr. Klein. Motion Carried
7-0. There was no one wishing to address the Board during the public
hearing for a variance of fifteen feet five inches (15' 5") from the
required twenty-foot (25') side corner setback to allow a structure
nine foot seven inches (9'7") from the property line. This application
goes with a site plan to place a walk in cooler on the property if the
variance is granted. Mr. Bennington moved to close the public hearing,
seconded by Mrs. Martin. Motion Carried 7-0.
Mr. Bennington believed this did not qualify for a variance, because
it was a non-conforming structure as per section 400.03, and he would
be adding to the non-conformity. Mr. Ong stated he would recommend
approval of this request, and when the site plan was previously to
the Agency, Mr. Perry was told to apply for a variance. Mr. Ong stated
it was "our" feeling that the reason you have variances is to take care
of situations that aren't covered. It was non-conforming before, it was
not of his doing, and he answered the questions that are required to
get a variance, therefore, "we" recommend approval. Mr. Alvarez asked
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what the basic requirement for a variance was. Mr. Ong stated
you would have to answer the questions. It is where special
circumstances exist which are beyond meeting the normal codes
and ordinances. Mr. Alvarez stated the basic requirement for
a variance is a matter of hardship. A variance is a very un-
usual and seldom granted remedy, because in essence it is ~
departure from 'the zoning ordinance. When you grant a variance
you are allowing to do something that the ordinance prohibits.
Mr. Ong agreed. Mr. Alvarez stated he agreed with Mr. Benington's
statements. Mr. Alvarez stated unfortunately it's always the
element of sympathy, and it's a tough job, but the ordinances
are there.
Mr. Perry was asked to address the Agency. He stated he was
trying to do something beneficial for the whole community by
taking the location from a straight liquor bar to restaurant
with a lounge, and he had received a building permit to do the
renovations. Mr. Bennington asked if he had received a permit
from the Building Official. Mr. Perry stated yes, but it had
nothing to do with this request. Mr. Bennington stated it did,
and asked that it be put on the record that a building permit
was issued in violation of our ordinances. No building permit
can be issued in B-3 zoning unless it comes before this Agency
with a site plan. That's the code. Mr. Perry believed that
was true if you changed the footprint of the building, but he
was not doing that. Mr. Bennington stated he was wrong, but
to go on. Mr. Perry stated he was under extreme hardship be-
cause the room was very important to him to be able to serve
more food and the longer he is delayed in getting this, the
more detrimental it is to the new type of business he is trying
to open. He added he had started this process in November.
He presented some photographs showing the site from several
angles. Mr. Mackie asked if the permit he received was for
interior or exterior work. Mr. Perry stated it was for the
outside. He stated that the bar business has dropped 40% in
the last five (5) years, and he is trying to save his business
by adding a restaurant. Mr. Perry stated he was entitled to
relief from this hardship because it was not his fault the
building was erected prior to the current ordinances. Mr.
Perry presented another set of photo's which showed the "Club
319" which faced the exact same situation and received a variance,
and a building permit to add a band room to the original structure,
in approximately 1983.
Mrs. Blazi asked Mr. Alvarez to go over the concept of a variance.
Mr. Alvarez stated that in the past there had been laxity in the
granting of variances. When the line is going to be drawn is
a difficult decision, but it has to be made. However, those
issues are not before the Agency tonight. Basically you have
special exceptions and variances. They exist for the purpose
of providing relief when as a result in a change of zoning,
uses and structures are no longer permitted. Special exceptions
are uses listed in the code book, which are granted with certain
conditions, and to which the applicant is entitled, because they
are listed. They are not automatically a matter of right like
permitted principal uses, but they are with conditions imposed
by the Agency. The variance on the other hand is to do some-
thing which as opposed to the special exception, which is listed,
is to something which is prohibited by the ordinance. However,
the old Board of Adjustments had the power under very controlled
circumstances, which are listed in the code, could grant a variance
from the ordinance.
Mrs. Blazi asked how old the building was. Mr. Perry believed it
was probably forty (40) years old. Mrs. Blazi asked if it could
be interpreted as his circumstance change and the structure became
non-conforming because of the code. Mr. Alvarez agreed, and that
was covered under Section 400.02, under non-conforming structures
and uses. Mr. Alvarez believed the non-conformity could remain in
the zoning district, but could not be enlarged or altered. With
the passage of time the non-conformity will disappear. Mr. Alvarez
believed this was not so much a variance of the existing setbacks,
but this should be looked at under the non-conforming section of
the code.
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Mr. Alvarez asked what were the setbacks when the structure was
built, and when he adds this room is he intruding into todays set-
backs, or is he within the setbacks at the time the building was
erected. Mr. Mackie stated to his knowledge there were no setbacks.
Mr. Bennington stated the code was amended in 1984 to include set-
backs in the B-3 district. Mr. Alvarez stated this is not a variance.
Present setbacks will not allow the enlargement. It goes into a gray
area when the Agency has to look at what he is doing, is it beneficial
or detrimental to the City, will the enlargement place the new add-
ition too close to an existing property line, building, or street?
Will the new addition hinder emergency services? When you look at
non-conforming structures you can just simply say there will be no
enlargement whatsoever, or you may have a gray area to work with so
long as you follow a criteria.
Mrs. Blazi stated the Department Heads overall had no problem with
this, but she was not sure if they knew what a variance was.
Mr. Perry pointed out he had more than an adequate amount of setback
to the rear, and he is not trying to intrude further into the setback.
Mr. Alvarez stated that was up to the Agency. (there were three (3)
different conversations going on at this point)
Mr. Alvarez said non-conforming structures may be enlarged or altered
ln a way which decreases the non-conformity. They cannot be enlarged
or altered ln a way which increases its non-conformity.
Mrs. Blazi asked if simply by changing the footprint of the building
does not mean you are increasing the non-conformity? Mr. Bennington
answered by stating if the increase is in an area where there is no
non-conformity then you are not increasing the non-conformity. Mrs.
Blazi asked why Mr. Perry could not move the cooler into the area
where there would be no non-conformity. Mr. Perry stated if it was
moved the cook would have to go through the restaurant area to get
to the cooler, instead of straight through the kitchen into the cooler.
Mrs. Blazi asked if the Agency would look at this, not as a variance,
but as a different issue dealing with the non-conformity since the
Attorney has given his opinion, and he believes there is a gray area
in which the question can be asked, does the request increase the
non-conformity?
Mr. Bennington moved that if this is allowed to be built it is
increasing the non-conformity, seconded by Mr. Klein. Mrs. Blazi
clarified that the motion states by granting the request the non-
conformity of the structure would be increased. Motion Carried 5-2.
. Mrs. Blazi and Mr. Mackie voted no.
Mr. Perry asked for a clarification. Mr. Alvarez stated the proposed
enlargement increases the non-conformity so Mr. Perry would be free
to change his plans so an enlargement could be made. The enlargement
as presented has been declared to be increasing the non-conformity.
Mr. Perry stated he was aware that people on the Agency were not aware
of what they were voting for. Mrs. Blazi disagreed. Mr. Perry
stated he had the approval of all the Department Heads. Mrs. Blazi
stated the Department Heads were handling a variance. This is not
a variance, it should not be a variance. That is what was determined
by the majority of the Agency, and th~ majority of the Agency believed
it would be increasing a non-conforming structure according to the
code book, and until the book is changed there is nothing else the
Agency can do.
Mr. Perry asked if he had any recourse. Mr. Bennington stated he
could request that the code be changed, or change the design.
Mrs. Blazi asked if he could appeal to Council. Mr. Alvarez stated
it would have to be looked into.
Mr. Bennington moved to have the Attorney review Section 715.02
regarding building permits being issued in violation of the code,
seconded by Mrs. Martin. Motion Carried 7-0.
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ALAMANDA RIGHT-Of-WAY HELP-V-SELL LIBRARY: Mr. Ong gave a brief
history of the shared parking concept for the Library and Help-V-Sell.
Per the City Attorney it was alright to have parking for the library
in the right-of-way. The Department of Transportation stated they
would like to see fewer curb cuts on S.R. 442. Mr. Ong explained the
two (2) sketches presented to the members showing shared parking concepts.
Mr. Donnie Williams of Help-V-Sell stated he had already signed an
agreement with the City and had put the sidewalk in as requested by the
Agency. He added he had lost about three (3) weeks and a thousand
dollars ($1,000.00) in the process. He would agree to work with the
City, but had no intention of spending anymore money in the process.
Mr. Williams stated Alamanda Drive had been opened by the developer,
not the City many years ago, but the City had failed to maintain it.
There was discussion regarding landscaping, a lien to cover any work
done if an agreement can't be reached with Magnuson Corporation.
Mr. Williams stated he would prefer to go with the parking arrangement
as approved on his site plan, and if the library parking comes to pass,
he would work with the City. Mr. Garthwaite moved to go with Mr.
William's original approved site plan, and the City should proceed to
see if the property (right-of-way) can be used for library overflow
parking. Mr. Mackie seconded. Motion Carried 6-1 with Mr. Klein
voting no.
Sketch Plan Eastern Shores Mobile Home Park 10 Camino Real Drive
Open New Road and Close Current Access: Mr. Sheldon Vidibor, owner,
explained he wanted to close the current V.S. 1 access and open an
access either on Camino Real Drive or Eaton Road. The members went
through the Department Head comments. The members discussed the
problems with access from Eaton Road and Camino Real Drive (Eaton
Road is not paved, large amount of elderly residents in mobile home
park, near fat Bob's which is a dangerous intersection. Camino
Real Drive empties onto Marion Avenue in the industrial area which
is dangerous to elderly residents). Mr. Garthwaite moved to reject
the request, and leave the access as is. Mr. Klein seconded. Motion
Carried 5-2. Mrs. Blazi and Mr. Mackie voted no.
Mr. Klein was excused at 8:50 p.m..
Annexation Request 2751 Alamanda Drive and 2750 S. Ridgewood Avenue:
Mr. Larry Carson was present to represent Mr. David Hall and himself
regarding the annexation request. Mrs. Blazi went through the feasib-
ility study done by Department Heads. Mr. Carson explained they were
already tied into City water, and just wanted to be annexed into the
City. The members discussed the six foot (6') planted buffer being
vacated early by Council regarding the Carson property. After some
further discussion Mrs. Martin moved to recommend approval of the
annexation request to Council, seconded by Mr. Mackie. Motion Carried
6-0.
ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS
Request to Vacate Cocoa Palm Drive Right-Of-Way: It was noted that
William Powers, City Manager, was requesting the Agency to reconsider
their previous decision to vacate a portion of Cocoa Palm Drive for
setback requirements, leaving a twenty-five foot (25') easement for
utility and drainage maintenance at 2057 Guava Drive, Norman Cox,
owner. Mr. Cox was present and gave a brief history of the process
he had been going through since March of 1988 regarding this property.
Mr. Ong explained the problems the City is having trying to obtain
access to drainage easements in the City. Mr. Powers explained the
City wanted the right-of-way, and may need it in the future. Mr. Alvarez
gave a brief history of how easily variances, vacations, etc. have been
granted by the City in the past.
Mr. Klein arrived at the meeting at 9:25 p.m.
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Request to Vacate Cocoa Palm continued: Mr. Bennington agreed the
City may need the right-of-way some time in the future. Mr. Cox
was willing to enter an agreement with the City so that he could use
the right-of-way for required setbacks on his property, and the
City could keep the right-of-way. The Agency discussed vacating the
right-of-way versus a variance for Mr. Cox's property. Mr. Cox stated
he was aware the Council had final say, and the Agency could not be
held liable for Mr. Cox's selling the property without final say of the
Council as far as the right-of-way was concerned. Mr. Bennington
stated he did not believe the City Manager should intercept items going
to the City Councilor the City Attorney, such as this request, because
it should have gone to the City Council, not back to the Agency via the
City Manager. He added the Agency was still awaiting a joint meeting
with the City Council to have a policy established for the Agency members.
There was some further discussion regarding the Cocoa Palm right-of-way.
Mrs. Martin moved to send this back to City Council as originally
intended, and to deny the request for re-review by the City Manager.
Mr. Mackie seconded. Motion Carried 7-0.
Due to the lateness of the hour, Mr. Bennington moved to recess the
meeting and reconvene in the next week to finish the agenda. Mr.
Klein seconded. Motion Carried 7-0. The meeting was recessed at
approximately 10:10 p.m.
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