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CITY OF EDGEWATER
LAND DEVELOPMENT AND REGULATORY AGENCY
REGULAR MEETING
THURSDAY, APRIL 14, 1988
7:00 P.M.
CO~WUNITY CENTER
Chairman Nancy Blazi called to order a regular meeting of the
Land Development and Regulatory Agency at 7:00 p.m., Thursday,
April 14, 1988, in the Community Center.
ROLL CALL:
Members present were Nancy Blazi, Don Bennington, Louise Martin,
Harold Hardester and Robert Garthwaite. Also present were Jose'
Alvarez, City Attorney and Beverly Kinney, Board Secretary.
Sue Glover and Billy Klein were excused.
Mrs. Blazi went over the procedure for public hearings. She also
asked the members to refrain from speaking at the same time so the
secretary does not run into problems transcribing the minutes.
VARIANCES:
Bill Hathaway for James Daven ort 105 N. Rid ewood Avenue
Request variance of two 2) Parkin Stalls: Mr. Hathaway addressed
t e Boar He felt the Board could treat this as a nonconforming
use that is grandfathered in, but if the Board did not agree he would
continue with the variance request.
James Davenport was sworn in by a court reporter at the meeting.
Mr. Davenport stated Mr. Curry, Mrs. Davenport and he had purchased
the building, having three (3) units, in 1981. Mrs. Davenport is
the property manager, and if necessary, could produce cancelled
checks showing the unit had been leased within the past six (6)
months. Mr. Davenport stated it was never the intent of the owners
to abandon the property, infact they had been trying to lease the
unit since the previous tenant died. They were planning to upgrade
the building and the additional revenues from the unit would make
the renovations possible. Mr. Garthwaite asked if there had been
any interior modifications to the unit, and Mr. Davenport stated he
was not aware of any.
Bernard Baron was sworn In. Mr. Baron stated he was co-owner of
Edgewater Red and White, 103 N. Ridgewood Avenue. The business was
owned from July 1, 1978 to July 1, 1985. It was sold, but the Baron's
took it back on April-, 1987. Mr. Baron stated there was someone
in the neighboring unit, but he was never fully operational. Mr.
Baron understood he was to be making some sort of decals, but for
some reason it took him a long time to get things done and then
his illness and death prevented him from opening. Mr. Bennington
pointed out that City research showed no occupational licenses had
been issued for the unit since January, 1986. Mr. Baron said he
was concerned about possibly having to take the sign down in front
of his unit. It has been there for fifteen (15) years and only
takes up one (1) parking space. He stated they had always complied
with the current sign codes. He did not see any problem at all
as long as the new tenant did not interfere with his lunch trade.
Konstantinos Dedes was sworn in. Mr. Dedes stated he would be open
normal hours in the morning and close around 2:00 or 3:00 pm. Mr.
Dedes stated he was currently operating another donut shop, and had
been in business for five (5) years. He stated there would be just
one employee on the premises. Mr. Garthwaite asked if the intent
was to sell just coffee and donuts. Mrs. Blazi added it would be
considered a coffee and donut carryout. Mr. Dedes agreed. Mr.
Hardester asked if there would be any seating. Mr. Dedes stated
there would be no seating, but there would be a counter. Mr. Dedes
stated there would be no tables or stools, just a counter for people
mixing their coffee. Mr. Alvarez informed Mr. Dedes he would not be
permitted to add soups, hotdogs and the like for a lunch trade.
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Mr. Dedes explained his donuts are made at his shop in New Smyrna,
and they would be shipped to the location in Edgewater.
Mr. Alvarez explained nonconforming structures, uses and grandfathering.
If the structure in question is destroyed, the grandfathering ends.
Mr. Alvarez stated the nonconformity before the Board is the use,
because of the parking ordinance. There are three ways to handle this -
amortization, discontinuance of use, or abandonment for a period of
six (6) months. Mr. Alvarez cited a couple of cases to the Board.
He said the majority of courts feel discontinuance is the same as
abandonment by the owner, not the tenant. In conclusion, Mr. Alvarez
felt the owners had attempted to maintain the use, therefore the use
is grandfathered.
Mrs. Blazi asked about the sign in front of the Red and White.
Mr. Alvarez felt that was a separate issue and the Board would
need more information to make a decision about it.
Mrs. Blazi asked for a motion to close the public hearing. Mr.
Bennington so moved.
Mr. Hardester moved to accept the application of.Mr. Davenport.
Mrs. Blazi asked Mr. Alvarez if this was still to be considered
a variance request. Mr. Alvarez stated the action would be a motion
accepting the facts as presented, that this is to continue to be a
grandfathered use as long as it is clear to everyone the conditions:
grandfathering is the use that pertains to a one (1) person operation
that requires very little or no parking at all and no on the premises
consumption. Mr. Bennington so moved and added take out only. Mr.
Hardester withdrew his motion. Mr. Bennington moved "that from the
evidence presented this is grandfathered in, not discontinued by the
owner. A service type business, take out only, to as what type of
businesses where there. There was very little parking required and
noone corning in there to do business~' Mr. Garthwaite seconded the
motion. Motion Carried 5-0.
Lawrence Lanchoney 110 Lincoln Road Variance to ermit building a
one 1 car garage in set ac area: Mr. Lanchoney elt allowing
the miniature golf course in the B-3 district has caused unreasonable
conditions for the residents to endure. He and his neighbor, Mr.
Pinder, put up fences, at their own expense, to offset the noise and
lights which are extremely offensive. Mr. Lanchoney stated the
lights stay on past midnight. Mr. Lanchoney stated his concerns at
a Planning and Zoning Board meeting when the plans for the course were
approved. Mr. Lanchoney stated he could not keep his windows open,
because of the noise and his drapes were kept closed, because of the
light shining directly into his home.
Mr. Lanchoney asked Mr. Fischer to look into the situation, but got
no response. He also tried to talk to the owner, Mr. Szabo, but he
would not cooperate. Mr. Lanchoney felt the lights should have been
shielded or directed away from the residential area.
Mr. Lanchoney said he was asking for the variance in hopes the garage would
offset some of the light and noise. Mrs. Bl~zi hrol1ght up the poss-
ibility of having the light turned slightl) or shielded, and asked
Mr. Lanchoney if he would still pursue a variance. He felt if the
lights were taken care of the the so called "natural" barrier were
properly maintained it would help. He added he had collected several
golf balls that had hit his house, because there were people on the
course while under the influence of alcohol. The four (4) foot chain
link fence does not do any good. The Board discussed communicating
with various City officials before considering the variance request.
Mr. Lanchoney stated he had planted thirty two (32) Camphor trees
along the side of the property in hopes it would be a natural buffer
in the future.
Mrs. Blazi pointed out the Planning and Zoning Board could not deny
that particular use to the developer, because it was permitted.
Mr. Bennington asked if Mr. Lanchoney was aware the abutting property
was zoned B-3. He said he did know, but he had no idea it would
disrupt a residential community to such a great extent.
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Mr. Hardester moved to accept the application. Mrs. Blazi reminded
him the public hearing was still open, but asked for a motion to close.
Mr. Garthwaite so moved.
Mr. Garthwaite started a discussion of the definition of a buffer.
He felt the Buffer at the miniature golf course was not adequate.
Mr. Bennington felt the problems could be looked into before deciding
on the variance request. Mrs. Blazi asked for a motion to "table this
until the Secretary could contact the departments involved, and
information on the exact criteria that was set for this golf course
when it was granted~ Mr. Bennington so moved, seconded by Mrs.
Martin. Motion Carried 5-0.
Mrs. Blazi called for a ten (10) minute break at 8:15 p.m. The meeting
was called back to order at approximately 8:25 p.m.
Ferdinand & Mildred Grillo 301 Seagull Court Variance to increase
existing patio slab and enclose with familyroom: Mr. Gri110w stated
his home was on a corner lot and he wanted to increase his existing
8x10 slab to 12x32 then enclose it with a family room similar to
the existing house with heat and airconditioning. The Board discussed
the zoning of the subdivision.
Mrs. Blazi pointed out there were ten (10) requests that had gone to
the Board of Adjustment. One (1) request had been withdrawn, three
(3) were permitted to enlarge the existing slabs and the rest were
either approved or forwarded to the Council for a decision. Mr.
Garthwaite stated some went to Council, because the Board of Adjustment
did not want to be responsible for setting a precedent. He added that
some people built florida rooms even though the variances granted
were for screen rooms. Mrs. Martin stated the Building Official
felt he could change the screen room approval to a florida room if
that's what the applicant wanted.
Mr. Grillo felt he was entitled to the samething everyone else ln
the neighborhood had. Mrs. Blazi called for a motion to close the
public hearing. Mr. Garthwaite so moved.
The Board discussed the fact that the problems in the subdivision
keep compounding. Mr. Garthwaite moved to deny the request on the
grounds the setback is not large enough to build. Mr. Bennington
seconded. The Board informed Mr. Grillo he could appeal his case
to the Council.
Mrs. Blazi asked if Mr. Garthwaite would like to amend his motion
to show the five (5) criteria had not been met. Mr. Garthwaite
preferred to go through the criteria and withdrew his motion.
Mr. Bennington withdrew his second.
The Board .voted on the criteria. A 0-5, B 1-4, C 1-4, D-3-2 and
E.0-5. Mrs. .Blazi called for a vote to deny this as it did not
meet the criteria. Mr. Garthwaite so moved, seconded by Mr. Benn-
ington. Motion Carried 4-1. Mr. Hardester voted to approve it.
Luis Geil Special Exception to allow gas pumps at 30th Street and
India Palm Drive aka Old Tyme General Store: Mrs. Blazi stated this
item had been tabled at the last meeting pending information from the
Fire Safety Inspector and the Superintendent of Utilities. Mr. Geil
had technical information to hand out and brought the owner of the
project, a representative from the equipment company and two represen-
tatives from the oil company in case the Board had any further questions.
Mrs. B1azi asked if he was going to pursue the approved convenience
store at 31st Street and India Palm Drive. Mr. Geil was considering
utilizing the property for mini-warehouses at this time. Mr. Hardester
asked how far the pumps were from the road. Mr. Bennington stated the
plans showed twelve (12) feet from the island to the curb and another
five (5) feet to the property line. Mrs. Martin moved to close the
public hearing. Mrs. Martin moved to approve the request to permit
installation of gas tanks and pumps at the Old Tyme General Store,
seconded by Mr. Garthwaite. Mrs. Blazi asked if the Board wanted to
go through the criteria. Mr. Garthwaite did not feel it was necessary
as the Board of Adjustment had approved this previously, but the special
exception time period had run out, so Mr. Gei1 had resubmitted. Motion
Carried 4-1. Mr. Hardester voted no.
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SITE PLANS:
SP-8801 Luis Geil Bosgraaf Building 1922 Hibiscus Drive B-2:
Mr. Geil stated the site plan had been approved by the Planning and
Zoning Board, the permits were pulled and construction of the building
was completed. The owner had purchased two (2) adjoining lots to the
south and changed his plans without realizing he should have come back
before the Planning and Zoning Board for approval. Mrs. Blazi felt
the Building Official should have been aware of what was going on since
he did have a set of the plans.
Mr. Bosgraaf stated he wanted to use the site as water retention so
he flipped the plans, and Mr. Fischer knew what he had done. Every-
thing proceeded as usual until he tried to get his certificate of
occupancy from the Building Department and he was denied. Mr. Geil
then went to the Planning Department and found he would have to submit
a site plan application and go to the Land Development and Regulatory
Agency for approval, and the application would be treated just like
any other application for site plan approval.
Mr. Bosgraaf explained the old plan showed paving and inground water
retention. Mr. Geil added that Mr. Bosgraaf had signed the paving
waiver as required by the City. He added that in the future Mr. Bosgraaf
wanted to put up another building and put in the underground storm-
water system that is required. Mr. Bosgraaf stated he wanted
the paving and water retention approved from the old site plan, or he
would have to go back to Mr. Geil at a later date to have the plans
drawn up again. The Board discussed the paving waiver. Mr. Bennington
moved to approve the site plan pending engineering approval and pending
that if, in fact, the land stayed in this condition when the paving
took place it would be the whole driveway. If it was modified later to
another use, the owner would come back to the City. Mr. Garthwaite
seconded the motion. (motion clarified: If we reach a point in time
when the paving takes place and they have not been back for a modified
site plan to do something with the other lot, then the whole driveway
would have to be paved.) Mrs. Blazi stated she had worked some with
Mrs. Bosgraaf in real estate and did not know if there would be any
conflict of interest to be considered. The Board did not feel there
was a problem if no monies had changed hands. Motion Carried 5-0.
SP-8619, Amended Huntley-Jiffy Stores 811 Indian River Boulevard B-2:
Mrs. Blazi asked for a motion to table this as there was no applicant
present to discuss this with the Board. Mr. Garthwaite so moved,
seconded by Mr. Bennington. Motion Carried 5-0.
EXTENSION REQUESTS:
Luis Geil SP-8704 Hibiscus Drive between 22nd & 23rd Street B-2:
Mrs. Blazi noted the plan had been approved by the Planning and Zoning
Board in April, 1987. Mr. Bennington asked about the conditions for
granting the approval. Mr. Geil stated the amendments to the site
plan had been made. The Board went through the criteria for granting
the extension. The reason for the request: payments of financial
obligations have been delayed and the owner has been temporarily held
up in proceeding with construction. The Board discussed the fact that
the ordinance citing the criteria should be clarified to state all
criteria must be met before the extension can be considered. Mrs. Blazi
asked for a motion to extend SP-8704. Mrs. Martin moved to grant the
six month extension, seconded by Mr. Hardester. Motion Carried 5-0.
Jack & Margie Winkler SP-8707 W. Park Avenue: Mr. Bennington pointed
out the reason for the request was because the loan application sub-
mitted by the applicant had not gone through yet, and it was basically
the same problem as the previous extension request. Mr. Bennington
moved to grant the six (6) month extension, seconded by Mrs. Martin.
Motion Carried 5-0.
OFFICER REPORTS/BOARD MEMBER REPORTS:
Mrs. Blazi stated there was no miscellaneous on the agenda, but she
wanted communications listed on future agendas. People wanted to
address the Board should make their request in writing with a summary
of what they wish to discuss. If they have complaints, we will want
them to provide back up. Mr. Bennington suggested that this should be
handled toward the end of the meetings.
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Mrs. Blazi noted the minutes of the last meeting were not ready,
as the secretary had been running the entire department on her
own. Mrs. Blazi added she had asked the City Manager for temp-
orary clerical help in the Planning Department.
Mr. Hardester felt the items coming to the Land Development and
Regulatory Agency (L.D.R.A.) were due to problems with the Building
Deparment and Code Enforcement. Mrs. Blazi pointed out Code Enforce-
ment was under the Building Department. Mr. Bennington noted a
section in Ordinance 88-0-8, which formed the L.D.R.A., and felt
a lot of the problems could now be dealt with.
Mr. Bennington informed the Board there was a possibility Mr. Fischer
had given permission to create nonconforming lots in Carlson Cove,
and had issued building permits for the lots. Mr. Bennington con-
fronted Mr. Fischer and discussed this with the City Attorney, who
agreed nonconforming lots had been created, because only two (2) of
the required three (3) criteria had been met by the applicant(s).
Mr. Bennington added Mr. Alvarez had spoken to Mr. Fischer about
the same type of things on other occasions.
Mr. Hardester stated there was a house under construction at 109
Thomas Street and someone had been living on the premises for over
a year. There is a temporary electric hook up and the water had
been hooked up on January 12, 1987. Mr. Hardester stated no c.o.
had been issued yet. Mr. Fischer gave the property owner thirty
(30) days to complete the exterior of the house and he didn't think
the Building Official had that authority.
Mr. Bennington stated Mr. Fischer was under order by Council to
charge for re-inspections, but it was not being done. Mr. Bennington
moved to send a letter to Mr. Kelly informing him of the complaints
he and Mr. Hardester had brought before the Board at this meeting, and
if Mr. Kelly needed any other information, the members would be able
to help him. Mr. Garthwaite seconded. Mrs. Blazi said she had
complained about the violations at McGreggor's and the Daytona Rent-all,
but nothing was being done because of the Building Official. The
Board agreed the ordinances were in the book, but they were not being
enforced. Motion Carried 5-0.
Mr. Bennington discussed having an alternate Board member so there
will always be at least four (4) members who concur on an item.
Mr. Hardester wanted to know if it was possible to take the existing
enclaves into the City limits. Mr. Bennington stated he was aware
of three (3) ways: voluntary annexation, involuntary annexation and
petitioning the State Legislature.
Mr. Bennington stated he had reviewed the City Charter and found all
fire department personnel must be residents of the City. He questioned
why the fire chief was able to live in the County and not in the City.
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There being no further business to come before the Board, Mr. Garth-
waite moved to adjourn, seconded by Mrs. Martin. The meeting adjourned
at approximately 10:00 p.m.
Minutes respectfully submitted by:
Beverly Kinney, Board Secretary
Land Development and Regulatory Agency
Regular Meeting
Thursday, April 14, 1988
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