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07-26-1990 o o CITY OF EDGEWATER BUILDING TRADES REGULATORY AND APPEALS BOARD JULY 2b, 1990 SUMMARY OF MINUTES The Regular meeting of the Building Trades Regulatory and Appeals Board was called to Order on July 26~ 1990 at 7:04 P.M. in the Conference Room at City Hall. Roll call was taken and minutes were approved. The Hurricane Windload Requirements were discussed. Motion to not adopt County Ordinance 19-14 until we receive a draft of the Ordinance that is for general publication. Motion to go on record that the Building Trades Regulatory and Appeals Board accept the role of Administrative Board as outline in House bill 1337 to hear questions regarding the enforcement and conflict between Firesafety and Building Codes. Motion that permanent electrical service for any new building be activated as soon as required service equipment passes the electrical service inspection and that this be implemented for a trial period of six months. Motion to table CABO one and two family dwellings until the Board has more time to review it. Meeting adjourned at 9:15 P.M. 1m o o CITY OF EDGEWATER BUILDING TRADES REGULATORY AND APPEALS BOARD REGULAR MEETING THURSDAY, JULY 26,1990 CONFERENCE ROOM, CITY HALL Mr. Jack Hayman called to order the regular meeting of the Building Trades Regulatory and Appeals Board of Thursday, July 26, 1990 in the Conference Room of City Hall at 7:04 P.M. ROLL CALL: Members present were: Lester Yarnell, Douglas Cole, Robert Howard, Gary Butt, and Jack Hayman, Sr. Les Ogram was excused and James Norris was absent. Also present were William Vola, Fire Chief, Dennis Fischer, Building Official, and Lisa Miller, Recording Secretary. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: The Minutes of May 17, 1990 Meeting of the Building Trades Regulatory and Appeals Board were submitted for approval. Mr. Cole moved to accept the minutes as provided. Mr. Yarnell seconded. Motion carried 5-0. UNFINISHED BUSINESS: Mr. Hayman discussed the Hurricane Windload Requirements in Appendix D of the Standard Building Code for any applications for permits filed after April 30, 1990 with the County. The County is requiring th.at all comply "-lith it. It is Ordinance 90-14 of the County Council of Volusia, Florida amending Ordinance 81-25, Section 1, by providing for the adoption of the Standard Building Code 1989 edition with amendment Appendix D as the Standard Building Code for the County of Volusia outside corporate limits of Cities and Towns therein providing an effective date thereon. Mr. Hayman stated it is not mandatory that the City of Edgewater adopt the County's Windload Requirement. He was concerned that the merchandising industry is not keeping up with the construction side of the house and the law requirements. He sited the lack of availability of 2>> washers as an example. Mr. Howard stated in most cases there are exceptions to the requirements. As to whether suppliers or manufacturers are keeping up with the Codes and Ordinances, he's glad that they are not. He feels those who make the Codes should be ahead of the manufacturing. The primary purpose of a Board liJ~e this or any other Board, City Council, or Official is the health, safety, and welfare of the general public. What they are talking about here is a few straps. Mr. Howard stated the Appendix D really needed a structural engineer to go over it. Chief Vola stated the County Engineers went over it and changed some things in Appendix D. The County's stance is that the responsibility for complying falls solely on the contractors's shoulders. Chief Vola made the suggestion that if we do adopt Appendix D, the houses that comply with this manual could be labeled >>This Structure Meets the Provisions of the 1990 Hurricane Code>> inside the structure. It could be signed by the Building Official and the contractor can put it in the house and used it as a sales pitch. This would make it seem like the homeowner is getting something and they are; a house that will probably stand up when a storm hits. Mr. Howard questioned if Mr. Hayman knew of any other community in Volusia County that had adopted Appendi;( D. I-lr. Hayman stated he did not know of any. Mr. Fischer and Chief Vola stated some of the other communities were looking at it, but they haven't adopted it yet. Mr. Howard stated that he felt the Ordinance needed to be reviewed more before it should be adopted for the City of Edgel...,ater. o o Mr. Howard moved we do not adopt County Ordinance receive a draft of said Ordinance that is publication. Mt-. Yan,ell seconded. Motion ca.n-ied 19-14 untiL ~,*e fOt- gene.-.:i a 5-0. Thet-e was discuss ion concen' i ng the .-esu l ts 0 f t<1t-. Ha'fman' s ta l k with the City t1anaget- .-egat-d i ng the se t t Ling 0 f d i spu tes be h<leen Fire and Building Codes. The result of this talk was that Chief Vola and Mr. Hayman go over the Florida Statute together to detet-m i ne if the City of Edge~<Ja. tet- shou Ld in fac t concen1 themse l ves 'of i th a.n Adm i n i s tt- at i v'e Board and if i t ''*03.':; a potential threat to have a conflict of that nature that could be referred to that Board. During their meetings they would determine if the Building Trades Regulatory and Appeals Board would be the Agency or basis for the Agency that could hear both types of appeals. If they agreed on that1 then they wouLd deve I op some t-ecommended change.:; to the BV La.,,':; fo,- the Boa.-d 1 and City Council's approval that would authorize that action. Mr. Hayman and Chief Vola. met .:l.nd a.gt-eed the Building T.-ade':; Regulatorv and Appeals Board could be the Agency to hear Fire Safety Appeals as well as Building Code Appeals. They realized in its present form the Board would be hard pressed to hear appeals due to lack of expertise. Membership does not include a Fire Safety Inspector on the Board which is essentiaL on any type of appeal of confl ict bet,,*een Fi,-e and Bui ld ing Code':;. In thei,- last meeting1 M,-. Hayman .:;ta.ted he and the Chief .:H;weed on the following: The composition of the Board would follow very closely to what the State says with one el':cepti,;)n. They are suggest ing tha.t they h.:l.ve a. total numbe.- of nine membe.-s on the Boa.t-d that would he.:il- such appeaLs and the composition ...ould fa.LL this way: Ma~ter Electrician. Master Plumber and/or Gas Installer. Mechanical Contrartor or Installer. Contractor. Cel- t i f ied F i ,-e I nspec tOl-. Bu i ld i nQ T,-ade-:; [n-:;pec to.- (The Building Trades Inspector and the Certified Fire Inspector should not be from in house. They should be from the community because we are listening to the enforcement of the people from in house. We don't want our own people judging our own people.) Architect. and an Enqineer (either an electrical or structural engineer would be good in his view. Chief Vola stated the easiest all around would be to come up with a Civil Engineer.) and a Citizen at Larqe. This membership follows the State Statutes except for the Citizen at Large. Mr. Fischer question that we have 7 members on the Board now~ and the four we would be missing would be Fire Safety ]nspector~ the Civil Engineer~ the Trades ]nspector~ and the Citizen at Large. Chief Vola and Mr. Hayman had would have to be changed Duties of the Board. reviewed the present Bylaws. They to reflect the Membership and the The Board discussed that the findings of the Board of Appeals would be binding and final. Chief Vola stated the Board might want to put this before the Council and say when it comes to the Building Code and the Fire Code the Board members are the experts and the Board l>Jould like to have the authority to render a final decision appealable either through the courts or through the State Fire Marshall's Office when dealing with Life Safety and Fire. Mr. Howard requested a five minute recess at 8:28 P.M. was called to order by Mr. Hayman at 8:36 P.M. J1eet i ng There was discussion concerning the membership of Board now has: General Contractor~ Electrician~ Installer~ Architect~ Mechanical ]nsta]ler~ one the construction trade. the Board. The PI umber or 6.as At Large from -2- o o Mr. Hayman stated ~Je do not have an Engi neer. I f they m.ake the requirement Architect or Engineer and eliminate the Citizen at Large, the composition of the Board now could hear an appeal of that nature. It was noted we don't have a Certified Fire Safety Inspector. Chief Vola stated that they don't have a Building Trades Inspector either. Mr. Fischer asked if it would be possible to leave the Board as it stands except when they are to hear an appeal. At that time they would have two members on stand by. With these two people added they would then be the Board to hear the appeal; otherwise it would be the standard Board. Members would be the same with two optional members to consist of: a Building Inspector and a Fire Inspector. Chief Vola stated if you are dealing with Code changes and recommended Code changes the Board would want those individuals input as well, not just in the appeals process but in the development process as well. This would make the number of the Board 9, unless they decided to go with 7 with two additional members when the Board convenes to hear appeals or to discuss Fire Safety or Construction Code changes. Mr. Yarnell moved that the Building Trades Regulatory and Appeals Board go on record as accepting the role of Administrative Board as outlined in House Bill 1337 to hear questions regarding the enforcement and conflict between Firesafetyand Building Codes. Mr. HOl>Jard seconded. Mot i on carr i ed 5-1). The Board discussed the Workers Compensation coverage required by the State. There were several changes, however, they were rescinded until a better study of the situation could be made. NEl.J BUSI NESS: The Board discussed Chief Vola's recommendation to set the Florida Power and Light electric meters early on construction sites. Mr. Hayman questioned if this was just for commercial or if this would be for residential as well. Chief Vola stated it would be across the board for everyone. Port Orange and Ormond Beach have made it mandatory for final inspections that the electric be on to test the water heater, air conditioning system, etc. for defects and to make sure everything is working as its supposed to be. They have not had any problems or complaints with it per their Building Department. This would allow them to install a meter once all the conductors and equipment is in place. There would be no bare wires hanging out. !t would be a finished electrical inspection to allow FPL to hook up, and then a final to check all circuits and make sure everything is as its supposed to be. As it is now we sign off an a mechanical i nspec t i on .and h.ave no i dea ~Ihether i t wor k s 0'(" no t bec .ause i tis not energized. Mr. Butts stated his company ~bugsn their units so the homeowners cannot start them until they come by and check them. Chief Vola stated the inspectors were signing off on final inspections on the assumption that everything was O.K. If the house was energized, it would make it truly a final inspection and not an assumption that everything is going to worJ~. Mr. Fischer stated the only reason they held the meters before was it was their only ~trump card" to make sure the contractor completed all the amenities inside and out to the City's satisfaction. \.Jhen that "trump card" is gone you can get some over.aggressive people who move in without the final. Mr. Fisher stated this was a good option for both parties; the electrical contractor and the Building Department. Mr Howard moved permanent electrical service for any new building be activated as soon as required service equipment passes the electrical service inspection and that this be implemented for a trial period of six months. Mr. Cole seconded. Motion passed 5-1). -3- o o The next item on the agenda was the CABO one and two family dwellings. Chief Vola stated due to the lateness of the hour and since it was not immediately imperative that they discuss this now~ he wanted to point out they currently do not have a one and two family dwelling code. The City tries to apply the Building Code but some of the items in S.B.C.C.]. specifically exempt one and two family dwellings. It creates a problem with contractors when the~ask to see it in the Code Book and it says one and two family dwellings are exempt. This was just an item for consideration. Mr. Howard moved to table the CABO one and two family dwellings until the Board can have enough time to go over it. Mr. Butt seconded. Motion passed. 5-0. Mr. Yarnell moved adjourned 9:15 P.M. to adjourn. Mr. Butts seconded. Meeting Minutes Respectfully Submitted By: Lisa R. Miller~ Secretary Building Trades~ Regulatory and Appeals Board -4-