01-18-1990
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CITY OF EDGEWATER
BUILDING TRADES REGULATORY AND APPEALS BOARD
JANUARY 18, 1990
Mr. Jack Hayman, Chairman, .called to order regular meeting of
the Building Trades Regulatory and Appeals Board, January 18,
1990, at 7:00 P.M., in Edgewater City Hall.
ROLL CALL
Members present were: Jack Hayman, Douglas Cole, Lester Yarnell,
and John Ciaffoni. Les Ogram arrived at 7:54 P.M. Also present
were Dennis Fischer, Building Official, Frank Conrey, Electrical
Inspector, Jan Morris, Plans Examiner, and Lisa Miller, Recording
Secretary.
MINUTES
The minutes of the July 20, 1989 and September 21, 1989 were read
to the Board and presented for approval. At that time Mr. Hayman
asked if there were any corrections or deletions to be made to
the minutes. Finding there were none, he stated that the
minutes stand approved as read.
NEW BUSINESS
RECOMMENDED AMENDMENT TO ELECTRICAL CODE
Frank Conrey, Electrical Inspector, stated the first item to be
discussed, the adoption of the 1990 National Electrical Code and
all amendments thereof to be adopted from time to time by the
National Electrical Code and all amendments thereof to be adopted
from time to time by the National Fire Protection Association.
He recommended the 1990 National Electrical Code and any
amendments thereof be adopted, that it go into effect
automatically January 1.
Mr. Fischer stated that amendments are written down as you go
along from year to year and every three years all Codes are
reprinted and all changes are recognized. He stated that Mr.
Conrey had gone through the existing Electrical Ordinances and
cleaned it up. There are some things that need to be deleted as
it is old technology. Some of the wording is being changed
around.
Mr. Conrey stated that the City Electrical Ordinances were up in
1975.
Mr. Fischer stated we are trying to take a look at the City
Electrical Code and get the '90 NEC adopted without making a lot
of changes to it. We cannot delete anything but we can add to it.
We'd like to get the Board to recommend to Council that it be
adopted.
Mr. Conrey stated that if
additions or anything that
Ordinances could be done in
with now which is January and
this is passed the way it is, any
you want to change as to City
the time period that we're dealing
February.
Mr. Fischer stated that Mr.
things that were to be added
Code has in it right now.
Conrey should read through the
that go above and beyond what the
Mr. Conrey read through the changes that were to be made. He
asked if there were any questions on the changes. As there were
none, he went to the subject of additions to the Electrical
Ordinances.
There was discussion on the item #2 stating that ceiling fan
height should be 7' from the floor at the blades.
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Mr. Cole was concerned about the height of ceilings in older
homes. He questioned if this was just for new houses. He stated
that several years ago they dropped the ceiling height.
Mr. Conrey stated that the National Electrical Code does not
address the height, but states you should follow listed type
instructions in the fan package. The instructions indicated the
blades are supposed to be no lower than 7'.
There was some discussion about item #6 regarding the wIrIng of a
single family residence or a two family residence with some kind
of wiring piping system instead of using Romex wire.
Mr. Ciaffoni asked what if someone wanted to build a triplex.
Do they have to put in a rigid conduit.
Mr. Fischer
it. He also
dwellings.
triplex.
stated yes. You had to run a ground conductor with
stated that this Code covers one and two-family
You jump into another bracket when you go to build a
Mr. Ciaffoni asked if it could be changed to three family. This
would coincide with requirements for State Licenses. That is
their dividing point between Residential and Building Contractor.
Mr. Conrey asked to read the way it was stated now. 7-80. As to
all wiring for public garages, filling stations, school houses,
theatres, churches, auditoriums, hotels, rooming houses of over
15 rooms, apartment houses over three apartments, business
commercial and industrial buildings of fire-proof construction
shall be installed with a piping system.
Mr. Ciaffoni asked if we could change Frank's recommendation to
read three as that is the way the State had determined the cut
off between Residential and Contractor.
Mr. Hayman stated that the question is the use of the descriptive
phrase "apartment house." It is the same as duplex and triplex.
He stated that the definitions would be in the Code and he
thought they would by synonymous.
Mr. Fischer stated to
residential units. That
have in the book now.
word it anything over three family
would make it synonymous with what we
Item #8. Mr. Hayman questioned the power in advertising stating
that his brother was in the sign business. The question was in
building his signs he has to install wiring transformers in the
box and then he installs the sign. An electrician takes the
power from the pole to the sign. How does it effect him.
Mr. Conrey
where the
the sign.
stated that normally_a journeyman runs the cable to
sign is, but the sign man has the license to install
Mr. Fischer stated that if there is a junction box out there
similar to a water heater, the plumber comes in and takes out the
old water heater and puts in the new one. Then he hooks the two
wires right back to it because it's already provided. He can't
go any further back to the panel to run the feeder lines.
Mr. Conrey stated that most people don't realize that Art. 600-
2 says that there is supposed to be some kind of disconnect means
to the sign itself. That's the reason an electrical contractor
needs to be doing the work.
Item #9. Mr. Conrey went on to the next item concerning
continuous supervision of the journeyman electrician and helpers
by a Certified Electrician while they are on the job site. He
stated that there was nothing wrong with them being left for ten
minutes while they go to a coffee shop, but he doesn't want it
where they would be left by themselves all day.
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Ms. Morris asked if
electrician.
he wanted it stated
a journeyman
Mr. Fischer stated that they might want to put it as "Licensed
Electrician" so it could mean either Journeyman or Master.
Mr. Conrey read the item concerning Competency Card renewal.
There was discussion regarding if this was for new people or if
was just for renewals.
Mr. Ogram arrived at this time,7:54 P.M.
Mr. Ciaffoni stated that they were saying that anyone who tried
to renew their Comp Card after October 30 would have to come
before the board to be approved.
Mr. Conrey stated that he would like to raise the Competency Card
fees. At present they are Free for State Certified people,
$10.00 for State Registered, and $5.00 for Journeyman. He
suggested that they be raised $2.00.
Mr. Hayman questioned the amount.
Mr. Conrey stated he was taking into consideration the cost and
time it would take to mail out renewals.
Mr. Fischer stated that $2.00 across the board was not selective
and it would be adequate to cover the estimated fees to get the
renewals out. It would also help everyone get their renewals
back in time. He stated that it would help in getting permits
processed. Everybody would have their Comp Cards. Anyone coming
in late would have a late charge.
Mr. Ciaffoni made a motion for the Comp Card fees to be raised
$2.00 across the board. Mr. Yarnell seconded the motion. Motion
passed 4-1 Mr. Ogram voted no. Mr. Hayman stated that we're
going to raise Comp Card fees in the amount of $2.00 per person
to be effective September 1990.
Mr. Conrey read item #11 regarding Section 7-61 concerning the
length of time a permit would be valid.
Mr Hayman asked if we didn't have an ordinance already that tells
the length the permit is valid. Mr. Fischer stated that this
parallels it. No interruptions for 90 days, permits are good for
a year. You must commence work in 90 days. This has a job
abandonment section in there for six months which is a more
lenient than the three months standard on building construction
work. ·
Mr. Conrey stated that until we get the computer system going,
it's hard to track down all permits that come in and don't bother
to call for a final inspection. This is not just electrical, its
all permits.
Mr. Fischer stated that an example of this was that when a pool
was completed nobody informs us. If we are not told then there
is never a final inspection.
Mr. Conrey stated that another problem was that the City passed
an Ordinance that requires all pools to have a fence. It is not
supposed to be final without that fence and if there is an
enclosure that it is done. This is to insure that the enclosure
is grounded, but the enclosure itself is not required.
Mr. Hayman thanked Mr.Conrey for his input.
felt Mr. Conrey was doing an excellent job.
He stated that he
Mr. Ciaffoni made a
the adoption of the
amendments thereof.
passed 5-0.
motion to adopt the Electrical changes and
National Electrical Code 1990 Edition and
Mr. Ogram seconded the motion. The motion
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OLD BUSINESS
Chairman Hayman stated the next item on the agenda is the signing
of the Revised By-Laws. He asked Mr. Fischer to read them.
Mr. Ogram questioned item #10
installer." He asked if
installer."
where it
it should
said "plumber and gas
be "plumber and/or gas
Mr. Fischer stated that it should be "and/or."
Mr. Hayman stated that they'd entertain a motion to accept the
City of Edgewater Building Trades Regulatory and Appeals Board
By-Laws as read and changed at this meeting.
Mr. Cole moved that we accept the By-Laws. Mr. Ciaffoni seconded
the motion. Motion passed 5-0.
Mr. Hayman asked if we were having a problem with the procedure
we agreed upon for proof of Workmen's Compensation.
Mr. Fischer stated that what we're doing is gIvIng us the
certificates from the insurance companies and sole proprietors
are signing the affidavit forms that were given to us by the
State.
Mr. Hayman asked for a copy of the State Sole proprietorship
affidavit.
MISCELLANEOUS
The next item on the agenda was the Election of Officers.
Mr. Ogram nominated Jack Hayman for the Office of Chairman. Mr.
Yarnell seconded it. Mr. Yarnell moved that the nominations be
closed. Mr. Cole seconded it. Mr. Hayman approved for Chairman
4-1. Mr. Hayman voted NO.
Mr. Ogram nominated Mr. Ciaffoni for the Office of Vice Chairman.
Mr. Cole seconded it. Mr. Yarnell motioned that the nominations
be closed. Les Ogram seconded the motion. Mr. Ciaffoni approved
as Vice Chairman 5-0.
Mr. Hayman stated that he appreciated Mr. Yarnell's support all
year. He also stated that one of the pressing things that they
needed to be concerned about was the vacancies that we're going
to have on the board for the coming year. There's going to be a
challenge here for us.
Mr. Fischer stated that if they knew of anyone who would like to
volunteer their services that they should get them to come in
.and fill out an application.
Mr. Ciaffoni asked how many were coming up for next month.
Ms. Morris stated that they had four vacancies coming up in
February and two in April.
Mr. Hayman asked to make a comment that it had been an enjoyable
year for him. He'd gotten to know the City Building Department
and Planning and Zoning Department. He feels that we are very
fortunate in our City because everybody in the Building
Department, the new as well as the old, is doing a hell of a job.
He also hopes that in the last year, the Board has done something
toward making their jobs better. He also spoke about the
projected growth of Edgewater.
Mr. Hayman asked if there was any other business. There was none
so he asked for a motion to adjourn.
Mr. Cole made a motion to adjourn.
Meeting adjourned at 8:35 P.M.
Mr. Ciaffoni seconded it.
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Minutes respectfully submitted by Lisa R. Miller, Secretary
Building Trades Regulatory and Appeals Board
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1) Sec. 7-70- Be changed to read-
Adoption of 1990 - Edition of the National Electrical Code
and all amendments there to as adopted from time to time
by the National Fire Protection Association and after the
current N.E.C. to be effective on January 1, of that year.
2) Sec. 7-75- D - Delete-
garbage disposal shall be on separate circuit.
3) Sec.7-75-E. Last Sentences to read-
A G.F.C.I. - duplex receptacle shall be installed In all
bathrooms. ART-210-S-
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7-7S- For overhead
metal conduit, ADD
Chloride (P.V.C.)
service equipment,
Connections, shall be installed in rigid
intermediate metal conduit or Polyvinyl
Schedule 40 from the Service head to the
still 2" rigid through the roof.
7-S3- Last Sentence To Read
These receptacles shall have separate and proper overload
protection and be G.F.I. Type either Breaker or
Receptacles - G.F.I. ART. 305-6A) - On 1200 Receptacles.
ADDITIONS TO CITY ELECTRICAL ORDINANCES
1 )
7-40 Electrical
permit obtained
pools, hot tubs,
sprinkler pumps,
by an Electrical
alteration performed under an owner-builder
excludes all service changes, swimming
spas and hydromassage tubs~ ALSO -
water pumps, and sump pump to be done
Contractor.
2) NEW Ceiling Fans -
The fan must be mounted with the blades at least 7' from
the floor to minimize the possiblity of accidental contact
with the fan blades.
3) NEW Fixtures on ceiling of 7' clear height may extend below
the ceiling provided a clearance of no less than 6'S" is
maintained. Keyless and other bare bulb type fixtures shall
not be allowed in these locations EXCEPT Dining room chain
fixture.
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4)
NEW AlumQum cable and wire shall nQbe used except Size
#1 and larger for Residential and Commercial services
and panel feeders. This requirement shall not apply
to manufactured housing units certified under the State
of Florida, their party inspection statutes, H.U.D. )
or listed and approved appliances, machinery, equipment and
assemblies.
5)
NEW Art. 110-14
Inhibitor ( or suitable approved reduction agent)
Shall be applied to aluminum corrections of #1 aluminum wire
size and larger No-Locks is one of th~Mtrad7Jna~s.
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7-80 All Bu i I dings a.ther-t-han-o.ne-':br:.-t-wo-F-amyrrRes.i.denceS' v~1
shall be wired with rigid conduit or metal molding, P.V.C.,
Electrical Metalic Tubing, or other approved wiring systems
which provide a raceway for conductors. All conduit or
other approved wiring systems shall contain an equipment
grounding conductor.
6)
All conduit installed below grade or in direct contact with
earth, will be rigid metal conduit or approved rigid non-
metallic.
7-74 Art.700-I N.F.P.A. LIFE SAFETY CODE - 101-5-10-3
The placement and location of exit and emergency lights are
to be agreed upon by the architect and approved by the Fire
Department and the Building Department of Edgewater. Exit
signs, require internally lighted exit sign, exit light must
be lighted at all times building is occupied.
7-40-A Unlawful for persons not
LICENSED ELECTRICIANS to install
wiring, apparatus or equipment.
CERTIFIED AND LOCALLY
or repair electrical
It shall be unlawful and a violation of this Ordinance for
any person, not a Certified Master or Journeyman Electrician
or owner/builder in accordance with the provisions of this
ordinance, to do any electrical construction or make any
repairs alterations, additions or changes to any existing
system of electrical wiring, apparatus, or equipment for
light, heat, power or advertising within the limits of the
City of Edgewater.
7-40-B The working of helpers or apprentices performed
under the CONTINUOUS personal supervision and accompanied
by an Elect~ician.
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10) Recommend Renewal Notices of Certification of Competency
Cards and Licenses be mailed out the 3rd week of August to
holders. These would be due on or before September 30th.
Aftel- thisCime TWICE the fee would bQhat-ged thl-ough
Octobet- 30 and NONE aftel-wa~~
OPEN FOR DISCUSSION- Raise li=-=nsco fees.
11) ADD Sec. 7-61
Scope of Requirement
3) Permit shall become invalid if work authorized by it is
not commenced within three (3) months and inspection of
this work made within six (6) months of issuance; or if
no inspections are made during a six (6) month period; or
if work is abandoned after a period of 6 months without
an inspection, the Master Electrician to whom the permit
was issued, shall furnish the Code Administration
Division with a Notarized statement itemizing the status
of the work covered by the permit.
If this statement is not received after the above
mentioned six (6) month period, no further permits will
be issued to that Master Electrician until receipt of
statement!
In the event that any work has been performed, the Master
Electrician shall furnish the Code Administration Divis-
ion with a notarized letter that all permitted work meets
the National Electric Code and Electrical Ordinances.
12) ADD 7-40-C Section
All Code Violations fo~~__qn t,he Electrical inspection of new
.!.)e~~el '"l.'~~' ,,~
and renewal of ~u~i"e s shall be performed by a Electrical
Contractor by permit and final inspection upon completion.