03-07-2005 - Regular
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CITY COUNCIL OF EDGEWATER
REGULAR MEETING
MARCH 7, 2005
7:00 P.M.
COMMUNITY CENTER
MINUTES
1 . CALL TO ORDER
Mayor Schmidt called the Regular Meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. in
the Community Center.
ROLL CALL
Mayor Donald Schmidt
Councilman James Brown
Councilman Dennis Vincenzi
Councilwoman Harriet Rhodes
Councilwoman Judith Lichter
City Manager Kenneth Hooper
City Clerk Susan Wadsworth
Paralegal Robin Matusick
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Excused
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INVOCATION, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
There was a silent invocation and pledge of allegiance to the
Flag.
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
A. Regular Meeting of January 10, 2005
Councilwoman Lichter moved to approve the January 10, 2005
minutes, second by Councilman Brown.
The MOTION CARRIED 4-0.
B. Regular Meeting of January 24, 2005
Councilman Vincenzi moved to approve the January 24, 2005
minutes, second by Councilwoman Lichter.
The MOTION CARRIED 4-0.
3. PRESENTATIONS/PROCLAMATIONS/PLAQUES/CERTIFICATES/DONATIONS
There were no presentations at this time.
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4. CITIZEN COMMENTS
The following citizens spoke:
Pat Card, 3019 Willow Oak Drive, asked the Council not to spend
any more money on City Hall. Dave Ross and Mr. Card saw in the
paper where the Council was considering spending somewhere in
excess of $1 million on City Hall to make it last five years.
As a result, he and Mr. Ross felt it didn't appear anybody was
going to get this alternative method of getting this City Hall
done that everybody thought they would here in Edgewater without
having the bond issue because everybody was talking about that
they would find a way to do it. Since nobody found a way to do
it, Mr. Ross and Mr. Card have been in contact with the President
of Regions Bank and they expect a proposal to come forward
relatively quickly. They had expected it to be here today. They
believe it will be a lease purchase arrangement along the model
of the City's purchase of the FIND property and that it would be
at such a level that the City would be able to afford it. Mr.
Ross and Mr. Card want to do this and as soon as they get the
proposal they would like for the Council to direct them to take
it to City manager Hooper because they feel it will be done that
will be palatable for the City. The Regions Bank really wants
the City to own that building. Mr. Ross and Mr. Card were
concerned about it because they feel like they are throwing good
money after bad on this and if he estimated last year's increase
and the cost of building at 23% would that be reasonable. City
Manager Hooper stated that is pretty close. Mr. Card stated if
they do that three years in a row they will double the cost of
the next building which would make it a $16 million Taj Mahal.
They really hate to see a flea market come in in the middle of
Edgewater rather than having City staff in a nice City facility.
They currently have 23 offers on that building but they are still
willing to consider this with them. He just wanted to make
Council aware he and Mr. Ross are working on this.
Mike Visconti, 316 Pine Breeze Drive, stated there are many
points on which they agree, especially when it comes to how much
they care about Edgewater. He believes they agree on the
importance of having a City Hall that is a healthy and safe
environment and that supports all of the function of a growing
City, one of which they can all be proud of. He would also like
to think they agree that taxpayers money should be spent wisely.
He feels regarding an important decision, all citizens should be
given the chance to offer their opinion, preferably through the
voting process.
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Mr. Visconti stated where they seem to differ is how to educate
and involve the public in a critical decision such as planning
and financing public buildings. He believes the Council has not
done a good job of explaining the options regarding renovating
and constructing City facilities nor do they do a good job of
construction referendum that they clear or which provided
unbundled choices to the voters of this City. He likes to think
the confusion is not an intention. He asked Council to address a
few questions that he and many have talked about. Mr. Hooper is
quoted in the newspaper as stating that despite voters rejection
on the recent referendum it is still possible to build a combined
police/fire administration building through the use of impact
fees. Imagine his surprise to read this when Mr. Hooper in
person told him there was no option existing to fund any project
that has been turned down by the people. In order to support
projects proposed by the Council, the people need and deserve to
be informed and so on their behalf he asked the following
questions. Since all the City Facilities except the animal
shelter were turned down and the referendum was not designed in a
way to allow them to set priorities, how was the decision made to
spend available moneys on a police/fire department versus other
projects. Why is the Council advocating an option for City Hall
that includes expense of renovating a building that carries with
it the potential for mold and related problems and on top of that
constructing a new City Hall several years later when the more
cost effective and immediate option is available in the purchase
of Regions Bank. Why have they decided only now to introduce the
use of impact monies thus circumventing the referendum process.
He has several requests that he feels will help people be more
informed. First, a clear description of what the City Council
views as needs, options and costs relative to each of the
facilities project is needed. This should be in writing and
should be straight forward and clearly detailed option of pros
and cons. Second since all the construction items were bundled
in such a confusing way on the referendum how does the City
Council know which the people consider priority. The Council
needs to get a clear sense of what people believe are priorities.
This could be accomplished several ways, one of which would be a
referendum, which items are listed separately. If the Council
feels strongly about the position they are taking, they all
deserve to understand why and then they can decide to support
Councilor not, but at least they will feel like they are part of
the process and will understand how the Council is deciding to
spend the taxpayers money. The people of Edgewater deserve to be
educated and informed.
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Mr. Visconti feels communication needs to be clear and timely.
The referendum needs to be defined and structured so that voter
results reflect informed choices. They all need to work together
for the good of Edgewater and for each of its citizens.
5. CITY COUNCIL REPORTS
Councilman Vincenzi asked Mr. Visconti if he wanted answers to
his questions tonight. Mr. Visconti stated he would like to.
Councilman Vincenzi agree to donate his five minutes and they can
get some answers for Mr. Visconti. He stated he has his own
answers but he thinks Mr. Visconti wants to hear from City
Manager Hooper. He doesn't want Mr. Visconti walking away
feeling empty.
Mr. Visconti stated he is still interested in a new City Hall and
where it may be. Councilman Vincenzi stated renovating City Hall
was something City Manager Hooper just threw out. It wasn't
anything anybody discussed or voted on yet. He wouldn't have
voted to spend $1 million on the old City Hall.
Mayor Schmidt suggested they go through City Council Reports and
then they will address Mr. Visconti's questions.
Councilwoman Lichter stated the Fire Department very uniquely
joined the Chamber of Commerce. She feels it was a wonderful
ribbon cutting she attended. Councilman Brown also attended.
The speeches in terms of our Fire Department were very
complimentary.
Councilwoman Lichter spoke of attending one of the original CAPS
members retirement party. She thought the Police Chief would be
honoring him at the next Council meeting with some type of
certificate. She feels the CAPS serve a wonderful purpose of
citizen participation.
Mayor Schmidt had nothing at this time.
Councilman Brown stated he attended another Fire Station ribbon
cutting for New Smyrna Beach. They built a brand new station out
by 1-95 and he hopes our station looks as nice as theirs. That
is something for them to be very proud of.
Councilman Brown urged the citizens to volunteer to be a mentor.
They are in need of 400 mentors.
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city Manager Hooper stated what they had was a work session in
which Council was listening to a presentation concerning goals
and long term for next year's budget. The Council hasn't decided
yet on which of any choices they were going to do. They had
described possible choices. The City Hall renovation next door.
Looking at gutting the interior, maybe a second floor, some
parking and drainage improvements. He thought he used the words
carefully up to $1.5 million could be spent. There are several
options out there before anything is done. What Council directed
him to do was get some structural estimates and engineering kind
of estimates on what it would cost to do anything with that
building and before any money was spent to bring that back to
Council. Police and Fire, Council certainly hasn't authorized
anything that is upcoming. If it is to be paid for it is out of
impact fees. When they looked at the referendum the idea was to
place each item so that the citizens could clearly vote
separately on each item yes or no. That was one item they were
trying to bring forward in time and get done now. If they use
impact fees it will be a later event in which they will have to
collect those fees. Those fees are strictly for police, fire and
capital. They haven't voted to authorize it and it is not
appropriated in the budget but it is a concept. Those will be on
the next agenda to talk about the goals and the goal setting and
priorities for upcoming budget and upcoming capital improvement
projects.
Councilwoman Lichter feels a couple of Mr. Visconti's questions
were a little complicated. She didn't write them, but she
believes the City Attorney did. She feels it wasn't clear about
what would happen to the existing City Hall. She felt it almost
implied it could be renovated and that was not the intent. She
didn't feel this was clear. As far as educating the public those
items have been in the newspaper many times. They had been voted
on in the whole where it was cheapest to do it all where the
interest rate was so minute compared to what it ended up and
where it is going to go unless something happens in between. She
thinks there was a bit of confusion between ballot questions
number one and two. Mr. Visconti stated he spoke to a lot of
people and they thought it was a very confusing referendum.
Mayor Schmidt stated it is their job to educate the public. The
best thing they can do if they don't understanding something is
come down to City Hall or contact one of them. They try as hard
as they can to get it as clear as they can in the newspaper and
other avenues and sometimes some of that stuff is still
complicated.
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Mayor Schmidt feels they all wished and hoped the Regions Bank
would have gone through. They saw in a year's time that price
tag went up about $1 million. Using impact fees, like City
Manager Hooper said, that puts it off. That is what the impact
fees are for but you are talking years and what will it cost
then.
Mr. Visconti stated his point was if you can use the impact fees
for the police/fire department, why not use the same money for
City Hall. Mayor Schmidt explained because they are collected
for the sole purpose of police and fire.
6. PUBLIC HEARINGS, ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS
A. 2nd Reading, Ord. No. 2004-0-31, Dan Robison, Highway
442 Partners, LLC, agent for Vincent and Pamela
Snowden, requesting annexation of 5,601~ acres of
property located north of SR 442, east and west of 1-95
- continued from 1/24/05, Item 6D
City Manager Hooper made a staff presentation. He went over
comments made by City Attorney Paul Rosenthal regarding the
County's concerns and opposition and he has written a letter that
it is a perfectly legal annexation. He also mentioned the letter
from the County asking that this be postponed or rescheduled
until they can have a face-to-face meeting with the Council.
They took this up a week ago last Thursday, he wasn't there but
listened to it on the Internet and it was done in a spirit of
cooperation not necessarily a spirit of let's challenge. The
County Council has scheduled a meeting on April 11th at 5:00 p.m.
in the Community Center.
Councilman Vincenzi asked if they can meet at any other time.
City Manager Hooper informed him that is the time for the seven
of them and everybody except for Councilman Vincenzi are able to
attend so that is the time they have offered. He meets with the
County Manager next Tuesday to layout an agenda and meet with
the applicants and developers to talk about the presentation.
What the County is really looking at is some information
concerning how this property would be developed, how much of it
would be placed in conservation, the wetlands impacts, who pays
for roads and who pays for all of the items that go with a large
scale project in a DRI. He suggested Council make a motion to
continue this until April 18th and they meet with the County
Council on April 11th. Assistant City Manager Liz McBride
suggested having it May 2nd.
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city Manager Hooper stated City Clerk Wadsworth has a package
that he has been asked also by the County to place it in the
record, which is a list of their concerns. It has various maps
and reports and if Council would like to look at it, City Clerk
Wadsworth has it. This has been forwarded to the City Attorney.
It is mostly related to the County's view of urban sprawl and the
use of the property, not the annexation.
Councilwoman Lichter asked how they will know the answer for the
exact use of property by the end of April or May unless it goes
to Planning and Zoning. City Manager Hooper stated they won't
have an exact but they will have the developer depicting for
Council how it will be developed. There is an environmental
study that has been completed that says roughly half or more of
the property is buildable. There are schematics of that
particular property layout and use already taking place.
Mayor Schmidt would like for them to also talk to the County
about the Williamson Boulevard Extension as it pertains to this
property. City Manager Hooper stated that will be part of the
agenda setting they go through and do.
Councilwoman Lichter made a motion to take it off of the meetinq
for toniqht and put the item on the Mav 2nd aqenda for the Citv
Council, which will occur after thev meet with the Countv
Council, second bv Councilman Vincenzi.
The MOTION CARRIED 4 -0.
Mayor Schmidt suggested they save their packets. City Manager
Hooper agreed to collect those from the Council.
B. 2nd Reading, Ord. No. 2004-0-22, Glenn Storch, agent
for Oak Leaf Preserve Inc., owner, requesting
annexation of 173.471~ acres of property located east
of Old Mission Road, north of the FEC railroad right-
of-way and south of Mission Oaks Condo - continued from
9/27/04, Item 6B
Paralegal Matusick read Ord. 2004-0-22 into the record.
City Manager Hooper made a staff presentation regarding Items B,
C & D.
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Mayor Schmidt asked City Manager Hooper what the high number was
and what they are down to. City Manager Hooper stated this was
transmitted at about 750 units, that was a medium density
development. They looked at the overall acreage. The portion to
the north had been previously zoned in the County as a mobile
home portion. The portion to the south has some wetlands, about
half of that property as you go south has a wetlands
jurisdiction. The DCA objected to the overall density. Working
with the developers they were able to go to a low density
residential, which is about a maximum of 450 units to that.
There are a variety of lots sizes in there. There are 75 and
larger and then smaller than 75 down to 50. Those are split
about half and half.
Councilwoman Lichter asked if someone could show her on the map
where they condensed. Mike Evans, 1682 Hibiscus Blvd.,
Melbourne, had a map that shows this.
Councilwoman Lichter questioned if this has been to st. Johns
yet. City Manager Hooper informed her the permitting process is
probably initiated to some degree, maybe a pre-app or conceptual,
but the overall permit comes at a later date.
Mr. Evans then went over the map they are still defining lot
lines because there are some real large oak trees on the property
that they are making every effort to keep and think they will be
able to accomplish that, mainly at the entrance off Old Mission
Road. He pointed out the area that was zoned for mobile homes
and where they intend to place the smaller lots. This would be
more compatible with the manufactured housing.
Councilwoman Lichter questioned them being manufactured homes.
Mr. Evans informed her they are single family with minimum square
footage homes. He then pointed out where the larger lots would
be and explained the flexibility they have because some of the
lots have large oak trees on the lot line where they can make it
a bigger lot to keep the oak tree. That is throughout the whole
property. That is why they aren't defined lot sizes and are
ranges.
Mayor Schmidt expressed concern about Mission Road not being a
good road and there only being one entrance. He asked Mr. Evans
if they have spoken to the County about getting part of the
widening done. Mr. Evans explained the traffic study shows they
will have to put in a left-turn lane that would make that a
three-lane road for a certain amount of feet. They have another
entrance that will come off of Park Avenue.
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Councilwoman Lichter asked Mr. Evans if they had the width to
have that kind of turn with the canal so close. Mr. Evans stated
Max, the Engineer, is smarter in that area than he is.
Max Bosso, 1682 W. Hibiscus Blvd, Melbourne, stated there is
about 400 - 500 feet of road where they are going to have to pipe
that canal. There will be two turn lanes. One is a southbound
left turn lane and one is a northbound right turn lane. The
length of those are specified on the traffic study they submitted
to the City.
Ronnie Moore, 1925 Old Mission Road, expressed concern with what
would happen to his culvert right beside it. Mr. Bosso stated
they would either have to replace it or that will probably
determine the diameter of the culvert they have to put in.
Mayor Schmidt would like to see, depending on the time table of
this, them making sure if there is any way of speeding up what
the County does to do it all at the same time and not have
something where this is done and then a year later the County
decides to do it and they tear up what has been done. This is
such a critical road and we don't have that many north south
roads as it is. He feels they need to make sure the County knows
and knows what our frustrations are going to be. Councilwoman
Lichter expressed concern with the Industrial Park also.
City Manager Hooper explained the next step is the development
process. They have to go to the County to get a permit to be
able to intersect with Old Mission Road. That is part of what
that process and that step would be. To interface with the
County and make sure they are aware of how many trips are out
there. The traffic study gets delivered to the County so they
get a permit to access both roads, Old Mission and Park. That is
part of why there are two ingress/egress entrances to divide up
some of that traffic. Those become site plan issues that as they
go through and they are actually getting access and driveway
cuts, they go through that particular process with the County.
DOT can do review some of that. That has already been done for
the most part. Whenever the Comp Plan Plan Amendment was
submitted, DOT commented and so did the County that there was
sufficient traffic capacity there.
Councilman Vincenzi asked about a particular document being one
included in their packet. City Manager Hooper stated it has some
minor changes to it. Councilman Vincenzi asked for a summary of
the changes. City Manager Hooper explained the changes.
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Councilman Vincenzi asked the actual number density of this
project. City Manager Hooper informed him 450 units over 174
acres. Mr. Evans stated it is less than three units per acre.
Councilman Vincenzi asked how much of the property is
developable. Mr. Evans stated over 40% of it is open space. A
little over 100 acres they can build on. Councilman Vincenzi
asked the 2.5 per acre density figure is based on what? City
Manager Hooper stated gross acreage, the same as all the
developments they have presented.
Councilman Vincenzi spoke of developers having acreage they can't
develop anyway but then they lump it all together and say they
have got 175 acres that they are putting 450 houses on which
would be 2.5 per acre but it is really not. It is really more
than that because there are 60 of them that you can't develop.
He feels this is another example of a development that is being
clustered in order to maximize the number of houses that can go
on it. Mr. Evans stated they were originally up to 750 units.
Councilman Vincenzi stated but that didn't get approved anyway.
City Manager Hooper explained the Council transmitted it and
voted to have them authorize it. DCA did not object, they made
comments. Councilman Vincenzi asked for what reason. City
Manager Hooper informed him water, sewer, infrastructure, sprawl.
DCA thought it was outside the original what the County proposed
as an urban growth boundary, which didn't make it.
Councilman Vincenzi asked what the density is if you divide 450
by 110. City Manager Hooper informed him 4.09. Councilman
Vincenzi asked if it still classifies low density. City Manager
Hooper informed him it sure does. Councilman Vincenzi asked what
low density is. City Manager Hooper informed him anything less
than 5 units per acre.
Councilwoman Lichter spoke of having unbuildable wetlands and
conditions and that is being counted as part of the acreage when
they figure out how many houses per acre you are putting on.
City Manager Hooper stated what you want to do is encourage them
to preserve the wetlands so you transfer some of that density.
Councilman Vincenzi feels this development is not what it is
cracked up to be. It could be better but if you made it less
density and just used the available acreage as developable, you
wouldn't be putting as many houses there and you wouldn't be
making as much money. He likes the development but he doesn't
like the area where they have the small minimum fifty-foot lots.
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Mr. Evans spoke about bordering a manufactured housing project so
from an economic standpoint he can't sell a $400,000 or $500,000
home sitting behind a manufactured home. It's market driven.
Councilman Vincenzi stated he would vote to annex it in but just
even if it is a losing cause and just based on principle he won't
vote for the other two.
Councilman Brown asked about the area that is adjacent to the
mobile home park on fifty-foot lots, he didn't see any road going
into the mobile home park so that doesn't make it part of that
mobile home park. He feels for them to give fifty-foot lots out
there, why should they do that if this is not part of that mobile
home park. He doesn't like the idea of fifty-foot lots unless
there is a reason for it, which he doesn't see that there is on
that, except to make more money. Mr. Evans stated not
necessarily make more money, but to make it sell.
Councilwoman Lichter stated she lives in a manufactured home that
abuts Ranken Road. She spoke of the exquisite homes back there
that sell for more than $350,000. Some how the back of Edgewater
Landing touches the back of that and they still have been able to
sell those lots larger than 50 feet and they have put up gorgeous
big homes. She feels just to squeeze the homes in because they
are worried about the manufactured home park, she is not sure
that is a reliable reason.
Mr. Evans stated this was the ideal place to put them instead of
next to the larger lots. City Manager Hooper further explained
the portion he is talking of for fifty-foot lots is already zoned
for mobile homes. They are already very small lots.
City Manager Hooper explained part of the draw of the annexation
was to be able to mix types of development so you could have
smaller lots plus larger lots. stop that mobile manufactured
home ability. Part of that we are going to get from New Smyrna
to take over the water and sewer lines. That became an
opportunity to annex and be able to give them enough development
potential so that you could make that gated, private and a very
nice subdivision.
Mayor Schmidt asked what would be the buffer between the
manufactured houses and where this property begin. Mr. Evans
explained they aren't far enough along with the site plan to know
exactly what that buffer is going to be. He will have some type
of buffer around the entire project. Once they know what they
can build, they will prepare the preliminary plat.
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Mayor Schmidt opened the public hearing.
The following citizens spoke:
Barrv Reed, 1740 Elizabeth Street, asked if once the property is
annexed if he would still be County or if he will be City. Mayor
Schmidt explained as long as he isn't in that pattern, he would
still be County. The people on his street have heard that they
are all going to be Edgewater on the south side of Josephine and
the north side would be New Smyrna Beach. City Manager Hooper
explained what he is probably talking about is New Smyrna and
Edgewater are talking about an inter local agreement that defines
if it is ever annexed, which side of which street would be in
what City. It is all voluntary annexation.
Mr. Reed stated the exit road for that project onto Park Avenue
how do you get across Massey Road and the canal. City Manager
Hooper stated they will cross Massey Road, cross the railroad,
probably put a box culvert over the canal, and get a railroad
permit to be able to cross over it.
Ronnie Moore, 1925 Old Mission Road, stated he doesn't want the
project but has been told they do a pretty nice job of the
project. He doesn't particularly want a house piled on top of
him but he doesn't want trailers. He has over a half a million
dollar house there and he would like for them to keep as far away
as they can but he knows they own the property.
Mr. Moore asked who is going to serve him power and what will he
gain from being annexed. He asked if he gets electricity from
New Smyrna Beach or Florida Power & Light. City Manager Hooper
informed him he isn't being annexed.
Pat Card, 3019 Willow Oak Drive, stated he is one of the people
who has always said he doesn't feel comfortable with fifty-foot
lots. On this one he does because there is a transition from
really dense across to Park Avenue and up to Mission Road. The
densest and the smallest are at one area and it is a dense and
small area now. He didn't have any objection to this and frankly
it is one of the cleaner things he has seen come through the
Planning and Zoning Board.
Mayor Schmidt stated the keyword is the transition area. We have
pockets like that and they have tried to limit the 50 foot lots
to certain areas but he thinks also in this one, that
transitional area, this is probably one of the best choices they
are going to have.
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Richard Burqess, 2003 Old Mission Road, stated he has 6 ~ acres
and showed where the property is on the map. He spoke of traffic
becoming really nasty. He feels eventually has to be four-laned
from New Smyrna all the way to SR 442.
Mr. Burgess asked if they had complete plans on the types of
homes, the sizes, or where they are going. City Manager Hooper
stated what Mr. Burgess is talking about comes at preliminary
plat, the next level is actually when they will show lot layouts,
the permits from the Water Management District, so that is the
next process.
Mr. Burgess asked if it is possible to get an advantage to get
water from Edgewater if they have that property bordering it
right there. Councilman Vincenzi asked him what he has right
now. Mr. Burgess told him right now they have a well.
Tye Harris, Storch, Morris & Harris, 420 S. Nova Road,
representing the applicant, pointed out they are just laying the
building blocks with the action that the Council is taking
tonight. The Comp Plan, the annexation and the rezoning. The
rubber will hit the road when they get to site plan. He asked
them to withhold judgement on the fifty-foot lots until they see
the site plan. He would appreciate the Council's vote tonight
and specifically recognized Councilman Vincenzi. Councilman
Vincenzi stated he is very skeptical. Mr. Harris stated managed
growth is the key and an opportunity for Edgewater to manage
growth instead of the County to manage growth.
Mr. Harris commented on being before the Council in October and
after the DCA comments, they came back and almost reduced density
in half. They are putting the most gentle footprint that you can
put on with urban low intensity. He feels they are going about
this the right way. City staff has been wonderful to work with.
He urged the Council to support this project.
Mayor Schmidt closed the public hearing.
Councilman Brown moved to approve Ord. 2004-0-22, Glenn Storch,
aqent for Oak Leaf Preserve Inc., owner, reauestinq annexation of
173.471+ acres of property located east of Old Mission Road,
north of the FEC railroad riqht-of-wav and south of Mission Oaks
Condo, second bv Councilman Vincenzi.
The MOTION CARRIED 4-0.
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C. 2nd Reading, Ord. No. 2004-0-32, Glenn Storch, agent
for Oak Leaf Preserve, Inc., owner, requesting an
amendment to the Comprehensive Plan Future Land Use Map
to include 173.471~ acres of property located east of
Old Mission Road, north of the FEC railroad right-of-
way and south of Mission Oaks Condo as Low Density
Residential with Conservation Overlay and Conservation
- pt Reading 10/18/04, Item 68
Paralegal Matusick read Ord. 2004-0-32 into the record.
City Manager Hooper made a brief staff presentation. He referred
to Exhibit A. He stated if this is favorably approved, he feels
they should include in the motion that they are transmitting back
to DCA the engineer's report in response to their comments.
Due to there being no comments, Mayor Schmidt opened and closed
the public hearing.
Councilwoman Lichter moved to approve Ord. 2004-0-32, Glenn
Storch, aqent for Oak Leaf Preserve, Inc., owner, requestinq an
amendment to the Comprehensive Plan Future Land Use Map to
include 173.471+ acres of property located east of Old Mission
Road, north of the FEC railroad riqht-of-wav and south of Mission
Oaks Condo as Low Densitv Residential with Conservation Overlay
and Conservation with the enqineer's report beinq transmitted
back to DCA in response to their comments "Exhibit A", second bv
Councilman Brown.
The MOTION CARRIED 4 -0.
D. 2nd Reading, Ord. No. 2004-0-33, Glenn Storch, agent
for Oak Leaf Preserve, Inc., owner, requesting an
amendment to the Official Zoning Map to include
173.471~ acres of property located east of Old Mission
Road, north of the FEC railroad right-of-way and south
of Mission Oaks Condo as RPUD (Residential Planned Unit
Development) - 1st Reading 10/18/04, Item 6C
Paralegal Matusick read Ord. 2004-0-33 into the record.
City Manager Hooper made a staff presentation.
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Councilwoman Lichter asked if this process now goes through other
gates, such as St. Johns. City Manager Hooper explained there
are several. There will be a Water Management District permit
for drainage, there will be a County permit to connect both to
Park and Old Mission and then it comes back to Council as a
preliminary plat so Council will see the lot layouts. There is
probably some Army Corp, maybe some DEP permitting for wetlands.
Due to there being no comments, Mayor Schmidt opened and closed
the public hearing.
Councilwoman Lichter moved to approve Ord. 2004-0-33, Glenn
Storch, aqent for Oak Leaf Preserve, Inc., owner, reQUestinq an
amendment to the Official Zoninq Map to include 173.471+ acres of
property located east of Old Mission Road, north of the FEC
railroad riqht-of-way and south of Mission Oaks Condo as RPUD
(Residential Planned Unit Development), second by Councilman
Brown.
The MOTION CARRIED 3-1. Councilman Vincenzi voted NO.
E. 2nd Reading, Ord. No. 2004-0-35, Miranda Fitzgerald,
agent for Oak Hill Land, LLC; Edgewater Partners, LLC;
the Southeast Volusia Hospital District and Dixie
Highway, LLC, requesting an amendment to the Official
Zoning Map to include 68.79~ acres of property located
west of US 1 and northwest of 4115 S. US 1 as
Public/Semi-Public with Conservation Overlay - 1st
Reading 10/18/04, Item 6E
Paralegal Matusick read Ord. 2004-0-35 into the record.
City Manager Hooper made a staff presentation.
Mayor Schmidt asked if they have a time table yet. city Manager
Hooper explained he has seen drafts of the plan. They are mostly
looking for the information for drainage.
Councilman Vincenzi asked if this is the property where City
Manager Hooper was trying to negotiate a deal for property for
the Police/Fire building. City Manager Hooper stated it is the
one they did negotiate the property. It is part of the
annexation agreement.
Due to there being no comments, Mayor Schmidt opened and closed
the public hearing.
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Councilman Brown moved to approve Ord. 2004-0-35, Miranda
Fitzqerald, aqent for Oak Hill Land, LLC; Edqewater Partners,
LLC; the Southeast Volusia Hospital District and Dixie Hiqhwav,
LLC, requestinq an amendment to the Official Zoninq Map to
include 68.79+ acres of property located west of US 1 and
northwest of 4115 S. US 1 as Public/Semi-Public with Conservation
Overlav, second bv Councilman Vincenzi.
The MOTION CARRIED 4 -0.
There was a ten-minute recess at this time. The meeting recessed
at 8:00 p.m. and reconvened at 8:14 p.m.
F. 2nd Reading, Ord. No. 2004-0-36, the City of Edgewater
requesting an amendment to the Official Future Land Use
Map to include 159.89~ acres of property located south
of SR 442 and west of Old Mission Road as Conservation
- pt Reading 10/18/04, Item 6F
Paralegal Matusick read Ord. 2004-0-36 into the record.
City Manager Hooper made a staff presentation.
Due to there being no comments, Mayor Schmidt opened and closed
the public hearing.
Councilman Vincenzi moved to approve Ord. 2004-0-36, the City of
Edqewater requestinq an amendment to the Official Future Land Use
Map to include 159.89+ acres of property located south of SR 442
and west of Old Mission Road as Conservation, second bv
Councilwoman Lichter.
The MOTION CARRIED 4-0.
G. 2nd Reading, Ord. No. 2004-0-38, the City of Edgewater
requesting an amendment to the Goals, Objectives and
Policies of the Comprehensive Plan Future Land use
Element adding Policy 1.5.9 pertaining to the
conversion of residential structures to professional
office uses, and amendment to Policy 1.6.6 pertaining
to the SR 442 Corridor Overlay Zone - 1st Reading
10/18/04, Item 6H
Paralegal Matusick read Ord. 2004-0-38 into the record.
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City Manager Hooper made a staff presentation.
Councilwoman Lichter expressed concern with the zoning being
changed and someone no longer being able to keep it residential.
city Manager Hooper explained they can keep it residential. It
just let's those that say the road is too close to my front door
to be able to do something with it and turn it into a small
doctor or dentist office.
Councilman Vincenzi stated if someone comes along and buys a
house and wants to turn it into a doctor's office, they can't
just come in and pave everything. City Manager Hooper explained
the gateway standards the Council approved along that strip would
be used. They have to do the landscaping, the setback and the
architectural so it blends with the rest.
Mayor Schmidt opened the public hearing.
The following citizen spoke:
Pat Card, 3019 Willow Oak Drive, questioned if this brings this
into compliance with the rest of the Code the Council approved
two years ago. City Manager Hooper stated the Land Development
Code authorizes that and the Comp Plan never recognized it.
Mr. Card feels when they did the Code two years ago they laid
this out and everybody understood it then and everybody agreed to
it. All this is doing is going back and making these two to
coincide effectively with one another.
Mayor Schmidt asked Mr. Card to sign the paper that he spoke
during this public hearing.
Mayor Schmidt closed the public hearing.
Councilwoman Lichter moved to approve Ord. 2004-0-38, the City of
Edqewater requestinq an amendment to the Goals, Objectives and
Policies of the Comprehensive Plan Future Land use Element addinq
Policy 1.5.9 pertaininq to the conversion of residential
structures to professional office uses, and amendment to Policy
1.6.6 pertaininq to the SR 442 Corridor Overlay Zone, second by
Councilman Brown.
The MOTION CARRIED 4 -0.
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H. 2nd Reading, Ord. No. 2005-0-03, Marcia Barnett,
authorized agent for Diocese of Orlando, requesting an
amendment to the Comprehensive Plan Future Land Use Map
to include 2.33~ acres of property located south of
3171 S. Ridgewood Avenue as Commercial with
Conservation Overlay
Paralegal Matusick read Ord. 2005-0-03 into the record.
City Manager Hooper made a staff presentation.
Due to there being no comments, Mayor Schmidt opened and closed
the public hearing.
Councilwoman Lichter moved to approve Ord. 2005-0-03, Marcia
Barnett, authorized aqent for Diocese of Orlando, requestinq an
amendment to the Comprehensive Plan Future Land Use Map to
include 2.33+ acres of property located south of 3171 s.
Ridqewood Avenue as Commercial with Conservation Overlay, second
bv Councilman Brown.
The MOTION CARRIED 4 -0.
I. 2nd Reading, Ord. No. 2005-0-04, Marcia Barnett,
authorized agent for Diocese of Orlando, requesting an
amendment to the Official Zoning Map to include 2.33~
acres of property located south of 3171 S. Ridgewood
Avenue as B-3 (Highway Commercial)
Paralegal Matusick read Ord. 2005-0-04 into the record.
City Manager Hooper made a staff presentation.
Due to there being no comments, Mayor Schmidt opened and closed
the public hearing.
Councilman Vincenzi moved to approve Ord. 2005-0-04, Marcia
Barnett, authorized aqent for Diocese of Orlando, requestinq an
amendment to the Official Zoninq Map to include 2.33+ acres of
property located south of 3171 S. Ridqewood Avenue as B-3
(Hiqhwav Commercial), second bv Councilwoman Lichter.
The MOTION CARRIED 4-0.
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J. 2nd Reading, Ord. No. 2005-0-05, Marcia Barnett,
authorized agent for Raymond and Carol Spangler,
requesting an amendment to the Comprehensive Plan
Future Land Use Map to include 1.03~ acres of property
located at 3301 S. Ridgewood Avenue as Commercial with
Conservation Overlay
Paralegal Matusick read Ord. 2005-0-05 into the record.
City Manager Hooper made a staff presentation.
Due to there being no comments, Mayor Schmidt opened and closed
the public hearing.
Councilman Brown moved to approve Ord. 2005-0-05, Marcia Barnett,
authorized aaent for Raymond and Carol Spanaler, requestina an
amendment to the Comprehensive Plan Future Land Use Map to
include 1.03+ acres of property located at 3301 S. Ridaewood
Avenue as Commercial with Conservation Overlay, second by
Councilwoman Lichter.
The MOTION CARRIED 4 -0.
K. 2nd Reading, Ord. No. 2005-0-06, Marcia Barnett,
authorized agent for Raymond and Carol Spangler,
requesting an amendment to the Official Zoning Map to
include 1.03~ acres of property located at 3301 S.
Ridgewood Avenue as B-3 (Highway Commercial)
Paralegal Matusick read Ord. 2005-0-06 into the record.
City Manager Hooper made a staff presentation.
Councilman Vincenzi asked what the results of the traffic study
were. city Manager Hooper informed Council of the results, with
this project having less than a 1% impact on any of the roads
coming into Cory, Volco or U.S. #1.
Councilman Vincenzi asked what they will do about the
intersection when it starts getting populated. City Manager
Hooper explained that will probably be out of Edgewater Lakes
Phase II. There will be some requirement that they signalize
that intersection, elongate that opening in the median and solve
the problem that way. That isn't financially or even connected
to the impacts of this project.
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Due to there being no comments, Mayor Schmidt opened and closed
the public hearing.
Councilwoman Lichter moved to approve Ord. 2005-0-06, Marcia
Barnett, authorized aqent for Raymond and Carol Spanqler,
requestinq an amendment to the Official Zoninq Map to include
1.03+ acres of property located at 3301 S. Ridqewood Avenue as B-
3 (Hiqhwav Commercial), second bv Councilman Vincenzi.
The MOTION CARRIED 4-0.
L. Res. No. 2005-R-04, amending Chapter 19 (Utilities and
Services) establishing an Inclined Consumption Rate for
Reclaimed Water use
City Manager Hooper informed Council that items 6L and 9B are
connected. Whatever the Council does on the Johnson performance
contract relates directly to this resolution. He also informed
Council they could go out of order and discuss Item 9B and then
Item 6L. Council agreed to do that.
B. Johnson Controls Inc. Performance Contract - staff
recommending approval and execution by Mayor/City
Manager of the Contract and all associated documents
with Johnson Controls, Inc. in the amount of $9,048,454
to install, retrofit, upgrade and/or replace
residential, existing commercial and reclaimed water
meters with new Radio Read devices along with
additional improvements to the Wastewater Treatment
Plant
City Manager Hooper made a staff presentation regarding the John
Controls Performance Contract.
Councilwoman Lichter feels this ties in with Mr. Visconti's
comments about people not understanding. She was approached in
the food store this morning that if we can't afford to buy a City
Hall how can we afford to put this kind of money out for a
project like this. She tried to explain the City will be saving
money on this project.
Councilman Vincenzi questioned Items 6L and Items 9B being
separate issues. City Manager Hooper informed him that is
correct.
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Councilman Vincenzi stated he is totally in favor of this.
Replacing the meters and putting meters on the reclaimed water.
He has an issue with the fees that are proposed. He asked if he
votes for this, is there a possibility of revising the rates or
putting this off for discussion.
City Manager Hooper stated if worse comes to worse and they
decided not to do anything with reclaimed water, he thinks what
would happen out of the Johnson contract is implementation of
water meters wouldn't occur, which he feels is the wrong thing to
do.
Councilman Vincenzi again stated if they vote for this is there a
possibility of talking about this before it is approved. He
would like to talk about it seriously over the next couple of
weeks. City Manager Hooper stated he would like to talk about it
tonight because they are headed into a budget. He stated they
can vote for the Johnson Control Performance Contract and thy can
talk about rates. The bottom line is they have to do something
that will pay for the meters for the reclaimed system.
Councilwoman Lichter moved to approve execution by Mayor/City
Manaqer of the Contract and all associated documents with Johnson
Controls, Inc. in the amount of $9,048,454 to install, retrofit,
upqrade and/or replace residential, existinq commercial and
reclaimed water meters with new Radio Read devices alonq with
additional improvements to the Wastewater Treatment Plant, second
by Councilman Brown.
Mayor Schmidt opened the public hearing.
The following citizens spoke:
Dave Ross, 2803 Needle Palm Drive, questioned how they save money
by the conservation of reclaimed water.
City Manager Hooper explained if they do what they are supposed
to and reduce the amount of water per capita by conservation that
allows him to add more customers so that you expand that customer
base. Right now 3000 customers are using 2 million gallons every
day. If conservation works and he can reduce the 3000 customers
to use 1 ~ million then he has the extra water to add new
customers to it and that gets him additional revenue.
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Mr. Ross asked how they are going to save $9 million over the
period of this contract. City Manager Hooper stated old meters
aren't working well. You replace those meters with new radio
control meters. You replace and keep those upgraded. They are
inspected annually so you can make sure they are reading at 100%.
You do two things to the wastewater plant. You do something with
the compressor and aerator that saves 0 & M costs and reduces the
number of staff for meter reading.
Mr. Ross questioned rates increasing. City Manager Hooper
informed him they do not increase.
Councilman Vincenzi stated it isn't necessarily true that they
won't go up. City Manager Hooper stated he thought he was
talking about potable water. Mr. Ross confirmed he was talking
about potable water.
Councilman Brown asked if the meters will be obsolete about the
time this is paid off and they would have to redo all this.
Shawn Warren, 621 S Pokeberry Place, Jacksonville, confirmed the
life expectancy of the meters is about 20 years. There is a
warranty on the reader unit as well as the meter itself.
Pat Card, 3019 Willow Oak Drive, urged the Council to keep in
mind that those who came into Florida Shores made a decision as
to whether or not they would drill wells for the irrigation of
their land. Those who went with the reclaimed water now do not
have a choice any more. They can no longer drill wells in
Florida Shores.
City Manager Hooper stated he didn't think that was correct.
Because of the moratorium they placed on new facilities, if
somebody wanted to drill a well they would have to get a permit
from the County.
Mayor Schmidt closed the public hearing.
The MOTION CARRIED 4-0.
L. Res. No. 2005-R-04, amending Chapter 19 (utilities and
Services) establishing an Inclined Consumption Rate for
Reclaimed Water use
Paralegal Matusick read Res. 2005-R-04 into the record.
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City Manager Hooper made a staff presentation. He spoke of being
directed by the Council to do some input and education to the
folks by the newsletter. He suggested they put the meters in and
there is probably a couple of months where you don't bill but you
send the bills to the people letting them know what the amount
would be. If they were going to bill them and they have been
using 30,000 gallons here is the bill. Some how get them
educated and make them understand that higher use is something
the Council isn't wanting to condone and they are wanting to do
conservation.
City Manager Hooper suggested they review the rates after six
months. He informed Council the rule is they have to be able to
bring in money to stop the over use of the system or they will
never get the system to work. If they don't control the
consumption used at each house, nothing is going to work.
Mayor Schmidt stated when they looked at the rate structure they
suggested, it took the average user the one that needed to use
between 10,000 and 13,000 and got them right about at the $10
mark. City Manager Hooper stated he thought it was a little
higher and got them up around fourteen or so.
City Manager Hooper explained this does, for the people that use
little water, gives them a much better break. Your not a flat
rate of $10 like you have now. It would be a flat rate of $3 and
$.80 per thousand.
Councilwoman Lichter stated they have been saYlng at the WAV
Group that if you go too low on the bottom one then you are going
out of whack on the high one and you aren't getting money for
conservation purposes. City Manager Hooper stated that makes
more sense if you are talking of potable water and some of the
water rates. Reclaimed rates are strictly discretionary.
Councilwoman Lichter feels if they make money on water it should
go for a definite purpose such as conservation, education, etc.
There are people out there that think when it rains the aquifer
fills again. If we had extra money from anything connected with
water and use it for conservation, ten years down the line that
will save them money because maybe we won't have to get into that
desaltation plant or taking water from the st. John's which is
being anticipated ten years from now. She doesn't think people
think it is serious enough.
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Councilman Brown asked about oversized lots. City Manager Hooper
stated it is figured on all of the Florida Shores lots that are
80 X 125. Councilman Brown asked if the people with an extra lot
will have to pay more. Will they be charged extra because they
use more? City Manager Hooper informed him that is correct.
They have other xeriscaping options and other things besides st.
Augustine grass that they can do. That is really where this is
headed. The County and State are telling you not to plant lawns
but to do things with mulch and xeriscaping.
Councilman Brown asked what about people that want to get off of
this thing. Will they keep a record of that so they can let
people reapply that want to be on this? Is there a program that
they will come out and taking you off real quick. City Manager
Hooper explained if somebody wants off they can ask to be
disconnected from it easy. They have had some of that due to not
having sufficient pressure.
Councilman Vincenzi stated he doesn't understand how this works.
First of all what do you consider to be normal usage? City
Manager Hooper informed him the Department of Agriculture comes
out with different amounts of water. Three quarters of an inch
per week is what he has read. Mr. Ross presented him with
something that said it should be twice that amount, two waterings
at 3/4 of an inch. He spoke of dividing Florida Shores into
different zones so it can work more efficiently. There is, on
the agenda later on, a major trunkline to move water to the
south. He also spoke of changing different parameters in Florida
Shores to make this work. This whole scenario is built around an
80' X 125' lot, 3/4 of an inch per week, on top of the natural
rainfall with about a 3,000 square foot house, driveway, garage
and what is left over is what he is counting as a use of water.
The 12,000 to 15,000 range is the same range the County and State
use. The actual amount should be between the 12,000 and 15,000
range.
Councilman Vincenzi stated a lot of the revenue generation that
is in the chart will be a result of adding new customers. City
Manager Hooper stated it is a choice. If you don't add new
customers and people consume larger amounts, it's the
conservation rates that will pay for it. If people conserve and
you have additional water left over, you will add new customers.
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Councilman Vincenzi feels the system the way it is now can't pump
enough to supply good pressure to customers when they are all
using it. Theoretically if they all go by the watering schedule
only half of those customers should be using it at one time.
City Manager Hooper informed him that is correct.
Councilman Vincenzi clarified that City Manager Hooper was
planning on adding more customers. City Manager Hooper stated
yes, if the conservation creates additional water. Councilman
Vincenzi doesn't agree with adding any customers unless you know
the system can handle it because all you are going to do is
create more bad attitudes toward the City.
Councilman Vincenzi feels they need to figure this out better.
He also doesn't like the fact that City Manager Hooper is
arbitrarily picking 12,000 to 15,000 gallons as what should be
used knowing that if they do use that it will cost them more.
Mayor Schmidt stated that is what the "experts" seem to think
that is what you need for the average lawn. If they are pumping
out 2.6 million gallons a day and dividing it by how many
customers are on the system and it comes out to they are on
average using close to 30,000 gallons, either most everybody is
using 13,000, 14,000 or 15,000 then somebody is using hundreds of
thousands of gallons or on average the average one is using about
30,000 gallons.
Councilwoman Lichter stated Councilman Vincenzi has a sheet of
paper that she doesn't have. City Manager Hooper informed her it
was put in their mailboxes. He explained this describes where
the revenue comes from to pay the debt.
There was a discussion regarding customers watering every day and
this affecting the pressure.
Councilman Vincenzi feels a lot of assumptions are being made
that aren't necessarily true and the rates are being based on
that.
The following citizen spoke:
Dave Ross, 2803 Needle Palm Drive, stated the pumping capacity
today is 4,250 gallons per minute. If you have an irrigation
system with five or six heads per zone, to get enough pressure to
pump a head you will need about 10 or 12 gallons per minute.
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Mr. Ross further stated ten gallons per minute for 1500 customers
is 15,000 gallons. That is three times what the station can pump
and that, even if you only had 1,500 people using the system, is
the source of the problem. The people using it at anyone time
needs to be spread out. If the use is divided out so the City is
only using 4,250 gallons per minute it will work. He feels there
is a gallons per minute issue. He stated the property is not 125
feet, it is 135 feet unless you want sand rights-of-way. He
feels a great deal of homes in Florida Shores are 50% to 80%
drainfill. They are elevated and they are rock. It takes three
times the amount of water on his front lawn as it does on the
rear. He felt another issue was that it takes two or three times
a week at 3/4 of an inch, not once a week in the dry season to
water your lawn.
Councilman Vincenzi if you say 12,000 gallons is what they should
be using how come it is costing them $13.50 instead of $10. City
Manager Hooper stated the honest answer is they are buying a
meter. He doesn't agree with that because this plan is supposed
to compensate for paying for the meters and installation if you
impose this rate plan.
Councilman Vincenzi stated everything he has read in the paper
says this is for conservation. But according to the spread sheet
30% of the revenue generated is from reclaimed water, which
includes conservation rates, people using more than they should
and paying the extra at a large fee, which he doesn't mind. If
you are an abuser you should pay. The rest of it is adding
customers. City Manager Hooper stated if the conservation works.
Mayor Schmidt stated if you can't add customers, then the ones
abusing it would are going to be paying the sums of money that
make up for that.
Councilman Vincenzi still feels there are two factors. The
amount of water you have and the amount of people using it at one
time or the amount of pressure you can put in the lines. He was
under the impression the figures reflect the fact that City
Manager Hooper is intending to add customers. City Manager
Hooper stated no they don't. They give you one of two choices.
Councilman Vincenzi feels if they get with the program, people
shouldn't be paying more than they are paying now. Obviously the
rates don't reflect that. Mayor Schmidt pointed out in six
months they can look at it. Councilman Vincenzi stated he has
never seen a rate come back to decrease it. City Manager Hooper
stated Council has reduced whenever there are been a problem with
the reclaimed water.
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Councilman Vincenzi feels if the true intent of this is
conservation they should force people and penalize them for
abusing it when it is needed, during the four to six months of
dry weather. When there is an abundance of it, you don't
necessarily need to conserve. Councilwoman Lichter stated that
is a misconception. You always need to conserve. Councilman
Vincenzi stated they dump it into the river anyway.
Councilman Brown mentioned pumping the water back into the lake.
City Manager Hooper stated they are looking at permits to pump it
back into the lake. He further spoke of using it year round and
it being aquifer recharge to keep the salt water out. It's not
just a dry hot season issue. That salt water intrusion comes
upland and will actually infiltrate into your wells. No matter
where you take water from it still has the same impact on the
aquifer.
Mayor Schmidt would like to see them approve this with the
stipulation that in six months, once they have enough data when
meters are in place, they do take a look at the rates and see
what is out there according to the meters. City Manager Hooper
stated he thinks that is very prudent that six months after they
do the first billing to bring it back and show Council what is
there. The idea is the more you use the more you pay. This is
based on somewhat the County's rate, some what of an arbitrary
number of trying to put people in the 10,000 to 12,000 gallons.
Over 12,000 gallons is when you become an abuser and that is when
the high rates kick in.
Councilman Brown asked what kind of time frame they are looking
at to get the meters installed for reclaimed water. City Manager
Hooper informed him 60 days, 90 days tops. The rates wouldn't
kick in until the meters are in place. He advised Council to put
the meters in place, take readings for a couple of months and try
to educate the public as to how much it is going to cost and get
some of that input. Bill them but don't charge them.
Councilman Brown moved to approve Res. 2005-R-04, amendina
Chapter 19 (utilities and Services) establishina an Inclined
Consumption Rate for Reclaimed Water use with a mandatory six
month review after the meters are installed, second bv
Councilwoman Lichter.
The MOTION CARRIED 3-1.
Councilman Vincenzi voted NO.
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7 . BOARD APPOINTMENTS
A. Library Board - nomination by Councilwoman Lichter to
fill a seat vacated by the resignation of Kathy Booth
Councilwoman Lichter moved to appoint Sandy Sammons to the
Library Board, second by Councilman Brown.
The MOTION CARRIED 4-0.
8. CONSENT AGENDA
A. East Volusia Mosquito Control District - staff
recommending approval of an annual request to perform
low level flights over the City of Edgewater and
authorize the Mayor or City Manager to execute the
document
Councilwoman Lichter asked if the recently annexed land is
included as well. City Manager Hooper informed her it was.
Councilwoman Lichter moved to approve the Consent Aqenda, second
by Councilman Vincenzi.
The MOTION CARRIED 4-0.
9. OTHER BUSINESS
A. Water Tank Improvement Project - staff recommending
approval for Project Closeout, Change Order and Final
Payment in the amount of $58,665 to utility Services
Co., Inc. for completion of the Florida Shores and Park
Avenue Water Tank Improvement Project
City Manager Hooper made a staff presentation.
Councilman Vincenzi moved to approve the Proiect Closeout, Chanqe
Order and Final Payment in the amount of $58,665 to utility
Services Co., Inc. for completion of the Florida Shores and Park
Avenue Water Tank Improvement Proiect, second by Councilwoman
Lichter.
The MOTION CARRIED 4 - 0 .
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B. Johnson Controls Inc. Performance Contract - staff
recommending approval and execution by Mayor/City
Manager of the Contract and all associated documents
with Johnson Controls, Inc. in the amount of $9,048,454
to install, retrofit, upgrade and/or replace
residential, existing commercial and reclaimed water
meters with new Radio Read devices along with
additional improvements to the Wastewater Treatment
Plant
This item was discussed earlier on the agenda.
C. Reclaimed Water - staff recommending approval of Notice
to Award contract to Wiring Technologies, Inc. in the
amount of $831,401.50 for construction of the reclaimed
water trunkline Phase I and authorize Mayor/City
Manager to execute the documents
City Manager Hooper made a staff presentation.
Terry Wadsworth, Director of Environmental Services, informed
Council the route would be from 17th and Needle down to Willow
Oak Drive south to 25th and Willow. There are three main
distribution lines that run throughout the Shores and they are
going to go ahead and tie into those. The bottleneck of the
reclaimed system is at 17th and Needle. We loose between 17 and
20 psi in the system at that bottleneck because of the
distribution system interference we have there. By tapping in
prior to that with a 16" line, we should move a significant
amount of water south. They are trying to equalize the pressure
over the whole Shores so the northern part doesn't have a huge
advantage pressure Wlse over the southern part.
Mr. Wadsworth also explained every time a section is done they
can do a tie in. They can do that as they go along. The
pressure in the system will get progressively better as the line
goes along. The whole project does not have to be complete to
start to realize some of the benefits from the line.
Councilman Brown asked about nothing being tied-in on the north
end of that line. Nothing will be tied in to that line until you
get to the south and then it comes back in from the south and
works north. Mr. Wadsworth informed him the only tie-ins at the
north point will be at 17th and Willow to go ahead and help
provide, because there is a major line that also runs under
Travelers to take water under the boulevard as well, so it will
go ahead and help out with that section too.
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Councilman Vincenzi asked where this money is coming from. City
Manager Hooper informed him it comes out of the utility
Enterprise Fund.
Councilwoman Lichter moved to approve the Notice to Award
contract to Wirinq Technoloqies, Inc. in the amount of
$831,401.50 for construction of the reclaimed water trunkline
Phase I and authorize Mavor/Citv Manaqer to execute the
documents, second bv Councilman Vincenzi.
The MOTION CARRIED 4-0.
D. Equipment Lease - staff recommending approval and
execution by Mayor/City Manager of a Lease Agreement
with Pitney Bowes, Inc. for the Documatch Integrated
Mailing System for the amount of $2,201 per month
(price offset by $2,212 savings by replacing current
newsletter production and mailing
Finance Director Jon Williams made a staff presentation and
explained what the Documatch Integrated Mailing System will do.
Councilman Vincenzi moved to approve the Lease Aqreement with
Pitney Bowes, Inc. for the Documatch Inteqrated Mailinq System
for the amount of $2,201 per month (price offset bv $2,212
savinqs bv replacinq current newsletter production and mailinq
with execution bv the Mavor/Citv Manaqer, second bv Councilwoman
Lichter.
The MOTION CARRIED 4 -0.
E. Special (Corrective) Warranty Deeds - staff
recommending approval and execution by Mayor of the
Special Warranty Deeds to correct the legal
descriptions relating to the Sanchez abandonment
City Manager Hooper made a staff presentation.
Councilwoman Lichter moved to approve the Special Warranty Deeds
to correct the leqal descriptions relatina to the Sanchez
abandonment with execution bv the Mavor, second bv Councilman
Vincenzi.
The MOTION CARRIED 4-0.
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10. OFFICER REPORTS
A. City Clerk Wadsworth had nothing at this time.
B. Paralegal Matusick had nothing at this time.
C. City Manager Hooper
Paralegal Matusick handed out the final decision of the Oak Hill
lawsuit.
City Manager Hooper informed Council the court ruled in our favor
and said we had jurisdiction and says Oak Hill owes us money for
reasonable court and attorney fees. That reasonable amount has
been determined to be about $30,000.
City Manager Hooper informed Council Oak Hill will be asking to
forgive the legal fees. They will be asking for a special
meeting face-to-face with the Council to talk about water and
sewer and getting along and they are going to ask that as part of
it.
City Manager Hooper elaborated on the tri-party agreement with
Boston Whaler. Boston Whaler has asked for a year's time
extension because they are reaching a point where there is some
research and development that says they can make the molds of
fiberglass and not have the smell. Instead of having to do the
improvements they may be able to do different types of molds. He
has an agreement that is for him to sign that grants them a
year's extension. If Council is okay with that just by
consensus, he will do it. It was the consensus of Council to
grant the year's extension.
Councilman Brown asked if units will be sold before then with the
smell there. City Manager Hooper informed Council they will be
coming before Council on a site plan in the first week in April.
Councilwoman Lichter asked about the status of FEMA money. City
Manager Hooper stated we have none. They promised we were
getting $90,000 and we haven't received it yet. He told the
Council to keep in mind that is $90,000 of about $5 million.
11. CITIZEN COMMENTS/CORRESPONDENCE
There were no Citizen Comments/Correspondence at this time.
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A. Tentative Agenda Items
There was nothing to discuss regarding any of the Tentative
Agenda Items.
12 . ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business to discuss, Councilman Vincenzi
moved to adjourn. The meeting adjourned dat 9:27 p.m.
Minutes submitted by:
Lisa Bloomer
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