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07-13-1983 Special/Public Hearing . ~ ~ CITY OF EDGEWATER PLANNING COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING AND PUBLIC HEARING July 13, 1983 Minutes Chairman Bennington called the Public Hearing for the FEC Edgewater Industrial Park to order at 7:11 P.M., in the ,Community Center. ROLL CALL Members present: Messrs. Chenoweth, Opal and Bennington. Also pre- sent: Josel Alvarez, City Attorney, Scott Spooner from Briley, Wild & Associates, Mayor David Ledbetter, Councilman Asting, Councilwoman Gigi Bennington, Councilman Wargo, Parker Mynchenberg of Upham - engineers for FEC, Kathy Vaughn of the News Journal, and secretary, Susan Mista. There were also present various persons from the commun- ity. Parker Mynchenberg, an engineer with the Upham firm, representing FEC, presented a map, outlining the proposed industrial park. He informed the audience that there is approximately 240 acres with access off of Park Avenue. They plan on phasing the project and he indicated on the map that part involved in the first phase. There are two lift stations to take care of the sanitary aspects of the project and they will be pumping down to the treatment plant on Mango Tree. There is an existing ditch section that will be relocated to the perimeter of the property. He indicated on the map the retention areas for Phase I and Phase II. Service will be provided with rail spurs. The water will be supplied via the main along Park Avenue. There is now an 8" main and Terry Wadsworth of the Utilities Department has advised that there are plans for a larger main in the future. The water distribution through this subdivision will be provided by a 10" main. Councilman Neil Asting asked how many phases they anticipated. Mr. Mynchenberg stat ro they have proposed two phases. They would like to come in and after preliminary plat approval, either bond or put the improvements in for the first phase and they can begin marketing the lots. If the market is strong and everything goes well, they may go and do the entire second phase, or come back with a split up in Phase II. The reasons for phasing it is that the lift station location has to be built so the roadway has been brought to a point (indicating on the map), putting in a temporary turn-around for access to fire and garbage vehicles. Councilman Neil Asting asked if the buildings will be put up at this time. Mr. Mychenberg advised that the lots will be sold, said lots averaging in size from 1.8 acres to 2 acres. There will be some non- rail served lots with no spur connected to them ranging from .5 to .6 acre. Mr. Opal questioned the black line on the map as to what it signified. Mr. Mynchenberg advised that it is 241 of pavement, it being the main roadway and it is named Elmer Hall Parkway. Councilman Neil Asting questioned Mr. Mynchenberg as to whether or not there will be access to 10th Street, to which he replied that it is not shown at this time. He stated that in the future FEC would like to have another point of access. He showed on the map an 81 piece of land that can be dedicated for a roadway if it becomes necessary. He showed a 501 right of way on the map, if sometime in the future Flagler Avenue becomes developed, there is a mode to connect and have another means of ingress and egress. o o Mr. Opal asked how many total lots are included in Phase I, to which Mr. Mynchenberg replied, 17. There being no further questions from the audience, Mr. Chenoweth moved to close the Public Hearing, seconded by Mr. Opal. Motion CARRIED 3-0. At this time the Planning Commission continued with the Special Hear- ing concerning this matter. Chairman Bennington read the comments given by the department head supervisors. He asked Mr. Mynchenberg if they were seeking a sidewalk variance. Mr. Mynchenberg advised that they were not providing them. It was his understanding that a variance was received on the project when it was submitted more than a year ago. Chairman Bennington stated that they were granted this variance, however, he assumed the variance would expire at the same time the preliminary plat application expired. Mr. Mynchenberg advised that the reason he did not make an application for the variance this time was because the planner at that time, Debbie Winks, told him she was of the opinion that it was not necessary. He said if it is required, he will apply for same again. A discussion then ensued regarding recreational requirements. Con- cerning the requirement of 50% common open space, Mr. Mynchenberg stated that in this project everything is either being dedicated to the City or will be sold off to a third party when they come in and buy lots. There will be no common area like you find in a condominium. He stated that when someone comes ih to put up a building, they will have to ~o to the Planning Commission for approval and at that time it can be determined whether or not they meet all the requirements of the Code. He advised that there are no common open areas in the entire project. City Attorney, Jose. Alvarez, advised that the open space may include open parking areas. Chairman Bennington asked Scott Spooner of Briley, Wild if the retention area is adequate, to which Mr. Spooner stated that the retention areas shown will take care of the entire project. Each individual project that comes in for site plan approval will not need individual retention area requirements. Chairman Bennington advised that most of the requirements in the PID Ordinance will not apply until the individual businesses come in for site plan approval. Mr. Alvarez suggested that the potential buyers be informed that they will be required to comply with the city.s codes. Mr. Mynchenberg agreed and said there would be no problem with that. Chairman Bennington stated that under the Subdivision Ordinance it states that the final plat is recorded subject to posting bond of 110% of the cost of improvements, under the PID Ordinance it requires a performance bond of 120%. He said he did not see how they can be held to the PID Ordinance requirements when they are not developing the entire project. Mr. Mynchenberg said they will probably want to bond the entire project and if they don1t go through with the improve- ments, the bond could be pulled and a contractor hired to put the improvements in. The other way would be prior to filing the final plat, put the improvements in the ground in Phase I, prior to selling any lots, have the improvements inspected by the City Engineer and then file the final plat and record it, wherein a bond would not be required. These are the options open to FEC. Chairman Bennington then read the letter from the City Engineer, Bill Cross of Briley, Wild, advising that the retention areas are adequate. The letter also states that Mosquito Control is wanting a 201 easement. Mr. Mynchenberg said there would be no problem with -2- Planning Commission Special Meeting & Public Hearing July 13, 1983 o Q that. He said in the retention areas themselves will be deep bodies of water which will support a firm minnow and fish population which will take care of the mosquito larvae. Chairman Bennington asked if these areas would be fenced. Mr. Mynchenberg stated there were no plans for fencing them. He said if that is a requirement he would prefer to do hedging or something along that line. Chairman Bennington said the recommendation from Engineering was to make the areas inaccess- ible to children and hedges would not be adequate. Scott Spooner of Briley, Wild suggested some form of a chain link fence, 4 or 61. Mr. Mynchenberg said that putting up a chain link .fence would create an eyesore, in his opinion. Mr. Spooner stated this could be worked out wit h Mr. My n c hen be r g . Mr. Spooner advised that the retention areas will not be dedicated to the City. Councilwoman Gigi Bennington questioned who will maintain t he r e t en t i on are a s aft era 11 the lot s are sol d . Mr. My n c hen be r gad vis e d that a landowners association will have to be formed to take care of these matters. Councilman Neil Asting questioned if the drainage system will be swales or ditches, rather than tiles beneath the ground. Mr. Mynchenberg referred to the map and explained the drainage system to the audience. Chairman Bennington stated that the roads being put in are 241 paved, with 1~" of asphalt, 8" base and 8" sub-base. The right-of-ways are 80', including the swales on both sides. All of the right-of-way, including the swales, will be dedicated to the City. Mr. Mynchenberg said that it is a 12" sub-base, not 8". Chairman Bennington asked when they plan on starting and when they plan on finishing Phase I. Mr. Mynchenberg said as soon as the approvals are received and other details are taken care of, probably six months they will start the improvements. They are leaning toward bonding right now and trying to sell some lots. He anticipates 6 to 8 months. If they bond first, they can begin selling the lots in 3 to 5 months. Councilman Neil Asting asked whether or not FEC has a real estate organization they are dealing with in selling these lots. Mr. Mynchenberg said they do have a real estate firm in St. Augustine and they will be actively pursuing the selling of this project in the future. Mr. Mynchenberg said there is not landscaping proposed, other than sodding the swale systems, as shown. When someone submits a site plan application, this matter can be addressed at that time. City Attorney, Josel Alvarez, said that the requirements of the sub- division ordinance are called into play because this is a subdivision of land, however, the subdivision ordinance that is in the books deals with residences, not industry. Therefore, you have to look at the requi~ements for residences, but since this is not residential you have to determine which of the requirements you feel are in the interest of the City and which are not. That is the discretion the Board has to use. For example, the case of the sidewalks which are required in a residential subdivision. This is not a residential subdivision and if you do not want pedestrian traffic in there, it was his opinion that the Board could at this time waive that requirement because it does not apply to an industrial subdivision. Mr. Opal asked if the developer will put the sewer and water in. Mr. Mynchenberg advised that they would put all the water mains in and drainage pipes. Mr. Opal asked a question regarding curbs arid gutters. Mr. Mynchenberg stated there will be a 241 paved area and 8' stabilized shoulders on each side and the swales begin after that. Chairman Bennington read from the Code Book concerning this matter. He read that unless it is determined that for water retention you don't want curbs or gutters -3- Planning Commission Specrial Meeting & Public Hearing July 13, 1983 ~ , c I Q then you go to the other system and it has been standard policy that they don't want the curbs. Chairman Bennington asked Mr. Mynchenberg if the cul-de-sac was temporary, to which Mr. Mynchenberg replied, yes, with 80' of pavement. Mr. Chenoweth made a motion that the preliminary plat approval complies with the Comprehensive Plan and should be approved, waiving the need for a sidewalk variance. Mr. Opal seconded the motion. Motion CARRIED 3-0. There being no further discussion concerning this matter, Mr. Opal made a motion that the meeting be adjourned, seconded by Mr. Chenoweth. Motion CARRIED 3-0. Meeting was adjourned at 8:30 P.M. Minutes submitted by: Susan Mista -4- Planning Commission Special Meeting & Public Hearing July 13, 1983 .. ~ Date 9uY I.~ /'13"1 ~ o -