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CITY OF EDGEWATER
Zoning Commission Regular Meeting Minutes
April 25, 1983
Chairman Siciliano called the meeting to order at 7:05 p.m. in the conference
area of the Community Center.
ROLL CALL
Members present: Messrs. Siciliano, Stewart, Cochran, Wheeler and Sadowski.
Absent: Mr. Landry. Also present: Mrs. Taylor.
Mr. Siciliano suggested that they call the workshop meeting to consider
video games.
WORKSHOP - Video Games
Mr. Stewart distributed copies of the Ormond Beach and Port Orange ordinances
pertaining to video games, for the Board's review. Mr. Siciliano distributed
"points to be considered", which he had prepared for the meeting. There
was a lengthy discussion concerning both ordinance definitions; the members
generally approved of that used by Ormond Beach. Mr. Stewart noted that the
Port Orange definition states that no merchandise, prize or award of whatso-
ever nature or kind shall be received for playing a game; Mr. Siciliano
said that free games are usually given for high scores. This would be a
prize, and he saw nothing wrong with that. He said that a restriction per-
taining to gambling could be added.
There was some discussion about where the video games should be permitted,
and if there should be any restrictions as to how many should be allowed.
The members agreed that there should be a game room definition, as well as
a definition for video games.
The following definition, which includes video games, was agreed upon:
Automatic Amusement Devices - any machine which upon the insertion of
a coin, slug, token, plate or disc, may be operated by the public gen-
erally for use as a game, entertainment, or amusement, whether or not
registering a score, including but not limited to such devices as video
type games, marble machines, pinball machines, skill-ball, mechanical grab
machines, and all games, operations or transactions similar thereto under
whatever name they may be indicated. It shall not include music playing
devices, or non-competitive devices.
A definition for game room was then discussed. Video games in a commercial
establishment as an accessory use and how to determine the number of machines
a business could have was also considered. Mr. Stewart suggested limiting
the machines to two if it is not the principle business. More than two
machines would require a separate room.
Mr. Siciliano said that automatic amusement devices or game rooms should be
listed in the permitted uses under the zones affected. The rooms containing
the video games would be called a "game room", and could state at the end
of the definition that "pool rooms are not included". The board agreed
upon the following definition for "Game Room":
Game Room - an area within a building specifically designated for coin-
operated machines or devices (pinball, pool tables, video games, etc.)
offered to the public as a game or amusement.
The board next considered video games as an accessory use in other commercial
establishments and discussed the limit on the number of machines as an
accessory use.
At 8:10 p.m. Mr. Wheeler motioned to close the workshop, seconded by Mr.
Cochran. The motion CARRIED 5-0.
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Mr. Siciliano announced that the regular meeting was in session. Mr. Paul
Zimmerer was present to discuss with the Board his proposal for property
he owned on Park Avenue. He explained that he lived on Mango Tree Drive,
and spent his summers in Nebraska. His proposal is to build a two-story
building with shops on the first floor and offices and living quarters on
the second floor. The property is located on West Park Avenue about 1500
feet west of Mango Tree Drive on the north side of the road between the
railroad tracks and the road, zoned I-I. It is approximately 140 feet
deep. He proposes to use it for body shops or a garage. Mr. Siciliano
explained that he would have to first go to the Planning Commission and then
to the Board of Adjustments for a special exception for the living quarters.
Mr. Zimmerer was advised to call at City Hall and get on the agenda for the
Planning Commission to review the sketch plan.
A motion was made by Mr. Wheeler, and seconded by Mr. Stewart to recommend
that the definition for "Automatic Amusement Devises" be as described in
the workshop meeting. The motion CARRIED 5-0 .
A motion was made by Mr. Wheeler, seconded by Mr. Stewart and CARRIED 5-0
to recommend the definition for "Game Room" be as outlined in the workshop.
The Board continued their discussion as to how many video game machines
should be permitted as an accessory use in commercial establishments. A
motion was made by Mr. Cochran, seconded by Mr. Wheeler, and CARRIED 5-0,
to limit the number of video game machines to two as an accessory use in
commercial establishments.
Concerning the number of machines allowed as a principle use, it was
agreed that any number over two would be considered the principle use.
Mr. Wheeler motioned, seconded by Mr. Sadowski, to recommend that the
number of machines constituting a principle use would be three or more.
The motion CARRIED 5-0.
With reference to the zones in which the principle use of video games
would be approved, the members recommended B-3 and B-5. They felt that the
accessory use should also be confined to the B-3 and B-5 zones. They felt
that the intent of the B-2 Neighborhood Business District would not permit
video games as an accessory use.
The next item considered was the restrictions as to the distance from
schools, churches, etc. The members agreed that it should be 500 feet
for both principle and accessory use, and recommended adopting the balance
of the paragraph from the Ormond Beach ordinance, Sec. 4, a and b.
The Board members next discussed licneses. Mr. Siciliano said the appli-
cation could be reviewed any of three ways: By the Board of Adjustment as
a special exception, the Planning Commission, or outlined in the permitted
uses. He mentioned that some of the staff people wanted it under permitted
uses, but he was not in favor of it. He recommended that it be handled by
the Board of Adjustment as a special exception. The members could see no
reason that a special exception of this type should need to go to the Planning
Commission before going to the Board of Adjustments. Mr. Wheeler asked if
it could not be handled by the Zoning Board. Mr. Garthwaite, in the audience,
noted that the Board of Adjustments is able to attach conditions to a
special exception. The members agreed that the principle use application
should be handled as a special exception and should go to the Board of
Adjustments for approval. The board recommended that the application for
accessory use should go to the Zoning Commission for approval.
Mr. Siciliano said they would make a recommendation to City Council for the
fee for video game machines.
The members next dealt with the question of restrictions on the video games
as to operating hours (item 6 on Mr. Siciliano's list of points to be
considered). They recommended hours on Sunday through Thursday to be
7 a.m. to 11 p.m.; Friday and Saturday to be 7 a.m. to 12 p.m. - for principle
use only.
The members agreed that Section 5. Gambling from the Ormond Beach ordinance
should be included as is.
Mr. Siciliano said he would look into the suspension matter to see who
would make the suspension. It may need to be a City Manager, if the City
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gets a City Manager.
The paragraph on revocation was recommended to read as follows - changing
the heading to Suspension:
Suspension - any license issued hereunder may be suspended or revoked for
a good cause such as a violation of this Ordinance in any respect or to
protect or promote the public health, safety or welfare. Suspensions may
be ordered by the after notice to the licensee and an opportunity
to be heard. Any order of suspension may be appealed to the
which may make such disposition of the matter as it deems proper by majority
vote. In the case of the revocation of a license, the City shall refund
to the licensee the prorata unearned portion of his license, but no refunds
shall be made when the license is temporarily suspended.
Mr. Siciliano will ask the City Attorney for assistance on this paragraph.
The Board agreed that the number of people in the game room would be con-
trolled by the Fire Marshall.
Motion was made by Mr. Wheeler, and seconded by Mr. Stewart to accept the
recommendations made regarding the items from three on from Mr. Siciliano's
"Points to be considered". The motion CARRIED 5-0.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Mr. Cochran motioned to accept the minutes of the April 11, 1983 meeting,
seconded by Mr. Wheeler and CARRIED unanimously.
IvlISCELLANEOUS
Mr. Siciliano read the letter from the secretary advising that a copy of
"Update '82" is available in the office for the Board to review.
The Chairman discussed the list of permitted uses made up by the staff
and asked the secretary to make copies for each member for the next
meeting. These will be considered at the next regular meeting.
The members were advised that the Planning Commission would like the Zoning
Commission to come up with a definition for landscaping.
Mr. Garthwaite asked about warehouses which have been turned into businesses.
He explained that in a case of this type, the businesses did not comply with
the parking requirements, as warehouses did not require as many, parking
spaces as a business would need. He asked if there was something which
could be put into the ordinance that would control this. Mr. Siciliano
suggested that the law read that if the use is changed from what was
originally requested that they should come back to some board for authority
to change it. He did not feel that it should be left up the Building Offi-
cial. The members agreed that they should work on this very soon.
Mrs. Taylor said that she had been asked how many parking spaces were
required for a storage warehouse, as there was a question on a case now
before the Planning Commission. She was advised that they could only
require one for each employee and one for each vehicle stored at_the site.
The members felt that the City should have a Code Enforcement Official, in
addition to the Building Official and the Police Chief, who would, as a
part of his job, inspect for violations.
Referring to the matter of businesses in a warehouse not stated in the
original request, the;~chairman felt that the problem could be caught in
the office when an applicant came in for a license. Mr. Wheeler mentioned
that safety was also a factor, as there are different requirements for
businesses.
The meeting was adjourned at 9:35 p.m.
Minutes submitted by Joan Taylor
Zoning Commission, April 25, 1983
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