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11-20-1986 o o CITY OF EDGEWATER PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD REGULAR MEETING NOVEMBER 20, 1986, 9:00 A.M. COUNCIL CHAMBERS, CITY HALL Chairman Wheeler called to order a regular meeting of the Planning and Zoning Board at 9:00 A.M., November 20, 1986, in the Council Chambers of City Hall. ROLL CALL: Members present were Mr. Wheeler, Mr. Finn, Mr. Mackie, Mr. Loeffler and Mrs. Blazi. Members excused were Mr. Quaggin and Mr. Klein. Also present were Beverly Kinney, Secretary and Lynne Plaskett, Planning Assistant/Grant Admin- istrator. Louise Martin of the Board of Adjustment was present as an observer. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: The minutes of July 17, 1986, were presented for approval. There were not enough members present from that meeting to approve the minutes, so they were tabled. The minutes of August 21, 1986, were presented for approval. There were not enough members present from that meeting to approve the minutes, so they were tabled. The minutes of October 16, 1986, were present for approval. to accept the minutes as written. Mr. Loeffler seconded the 4-0. Mrs. Blazi did not vote as she was not present at that Mr. Finn motion. meeting. made a motion Motion Carried SITE PLANS: SP-8620: Norman Larzelere, D.D.S. 109 W. Knapp Street Dental Offices Mr. Sid Corhern was present to discuss this site plan. Mr. Corhern stated there was enough parking as required by the City and the building is existing. The only exterior work being done will be a planter in the entry way of the building and the parking lot. Mr. Corhern added the building will be upgraded as required by the City and a skylight will be added. Mr. Mackie: I make a motion that we accept it providing that they follow the recomm- endations of our City Engineer and send it back in writing that they have followed our City Engineer as stated in the report. Chairman Wheeler: Second? Mrs. Blazi: Would you repeat his motion, please. Ms. Kinney: He's saying that he would move to accept this site plan pending the O.K. from the City Engineer and the St. John's Water... Mr. Mackie: A letter in writing to our City Engineer that all the engineer has stated has been followed. Mrs. Blazi: Let's run that one by one more time, please. I noticed in our minutes some of our motions leave much to be desired and I'm as guilty as anyone else of running off and making them ten (10) miles long, but I think if nothing else in our minutes, our motions should be verbatim. Mr. Mackie: Well, see what it says here, the Engineer of record must certify in writing. He has to follow what our engineer says and he has to refer back to our engineer in writing that he has followed our engineer's suggestion. Mrs. Blazi: So you are making a motion contingent upon his meeting the approval of our City Engineers. Final approval. Mr. Mackie: Yes, providing his engineer sends it back to our engineer in writing that it's been followed, what he suggested. That's all. Mrs. Plaskett: We had a conversation with the City Engineer yesterday. On items such as these and any future items where he has basically approved the engineering drawings, subject to St. John's Water Management District permits, that the permits, when they are obtained, they must go back to Jerry Ferrara so that he can make sure that the drawings that they submitted to St. John's are the same ones that we got. That way, what he'll do is, after he reviews the plans and the permit, he will then write us a letter completely OK'ing the project at that point, then they can pull a building permit. -1- o o SP-8620 Continued: Mrs. Blazi: Well then actually, then the chain of procedure would cover what Mr. Mackie is looking for. Mrs. Plaskett: Yea, it's tightening up. Mrs. Mackie: We had to do it that way, because what used to happen too many times before was just a motion was made and seconded that we accept it on those terms and... Mrs. Blazi: I understand. I just wanted to get..... Mr. Mackie: Now we're going to get it in writing. Mrs. Blazi: I want to get the exact wording as to what the motion is, is what I want to get. Chairman Wheeler: O.K., will you second the motion? Mrs. Blazi: I'll second the motion. Motion carried 5-0. SD-86-1: Coleman Construction R-4 Meadowlake Subdivision Roberts Road Mr. Mark Dowst and Mr. R.A. Coleman were present to discuss this plan. Mrs. Plaskett informed the Board as to the area the subdivision is to be built and that it is currently zoned R-4, which is multi-family. Mr. Mackie noted the owner of the property is J.C. Carder. Mrs. Plaskett informed the Board that Mr. Dowst and Mr. Coleman were here for pre- liminary and final approval subject to the opening of a second entrance on Twenty- Eighth (28th) Street. Mr. Mackie felt there was a lot to be desired on this plan, because he didn't want to have the same problem the City had on the West side. Mr. Dowst, the consulting engineer, was given permission to give a brief presentation. There are twenty-seven point four (27.4) acres for eighty (80) single family lots and the required retention area. There are five point six five (5.65) acres of natural preserve and recreation area set aside. The minimum requirements for the City are eight thousand two hundred and fifty (8,250) square feet minimum lot size, seventy- five (75) feet minimum lot width and one hundred ten (110) feet minimum depth. Mr. Coleman wants to exceed the City's requirements as follows: nine thousand two hundred (9,200) square feet minimum lot size, eighty (80) feet minimum lot width and one hundred fifteen (115) minimum depth. Chairman Wheeler wanted to know if there would be enough depth to the lot to allow for a patio or screen room and still keep the twenty-five (25) foot rear setback. Mr. Dowst assured the Board there was. Chairman Wheeler stated they had trouble in Pelican Cove West, because there was not enough depth. Mr. Coleman reminded the Board he had nothing to do with Pelican Cove West. Mrs. Blazi stated the Board need to disassociate itself from the owner's name. Mr. Mackie asked if they were building with the intention of putting in a concrete slab and screening it in and putting another room on to it. Mr. Coleman stated they were not. Mr. Mackie explained the reason for the question was because they had that problem with another subdivision. They started putting screen rooms up and adding on this and that, and they shrunk the setback in the yard to about eight (8) feet or less. We don't want another subdivision that had to go through for variances. Mr. Dowst stated that twenty-eighth (28th) street would be used as access for emergency vehicles only and Roberts Road would be the primary access. Mrs. Plaskett added there was an agreement that there will be a sign put up for no through traffic. Chairman Wheeler said he wanted that agreement in writing. Mrs. Blazi: I make a motion that we approve this preliminary and final plat subject to, pending the engineers comments and obviously the follow through by the people that are planning this. Mr. Loeffler amended the motion to add single family dwellings, so there would not be any changes. Mrs. Blazi continued: I approve it subject to the engineers comments for a single family subdivision. Mr. Loeffler seconded the motion. Motion Carried 5-0. -2- Planning and Zoning Board Minutes Regular Meeting November 20, 1986 o o Zoning Changes to Comply with N.F.I.P. Definitions: As per the Board's request Mrs. Plaskett went through the definition section and other sections of the zoning ordinance to change certain wording to comply with the N.F.I.P. definition. The information was handed out to the Board members in their packets before the meeting for them to go over. Mr. Mackie asked Mrs. Plaskett if what she wanted was to have all the mobile parks in the City of Edgewater to be called manufactured homes. Mrs. Plaskett said that was what she wanted. Mr. Mackie did not like the idea. Mrs. Plaskett informed the Board it was not her idea and informed the Board the federal government has passed a law stating that the wording would have to be changed from mobile home to manufac- tured home or the City would lose it's flood insurance. Mrs. Plaskett stated the only other possibility would be if there is a Flood Management area in the code book that could be changed instead of changing the zoning ordinance. Mrs. Blazi: I make a motion that we table this for further information from our planner. Mr. Mackie seconded the motion. Motion Carried 5-0. Renovation Exemption: Mrs. Plaskett gave the Board some background regarding this issue. People come in and want to make interior renovations to an existing building. According to the way the ordinance reads, they must come before the Board for site plan approval, which really has nothing to do with the site at all. It is strictly an interior renovation and it is putting an undo hardship on the person who wants to do something to the inside of his building. If a person does not change the actual "footprint" of the building they should be exempt from site plan approval. The person has to hire an engineer and an architect to do the work and the City Engineer has to approve the stormwater management criteria before a building permit can be pulled and the Planning Department is already taking care of the parking requirements. It really comes down to the two engineers working it out and the parking requirements being taken care of so a building permit can be pulled, but they also have to come before the Board for site plan approval which is not necessary. Mrs. Plaskett stated that Mr. Corhern, who had come before the Board earlier that day with SP-8620, had bypassed the Planning and Zoning Board by going before Council at an earlier date to get permission to do the interior renovation. He really didn't need to show up here this morning because he already had permission to do the work. Mrs. Blazi felt that it was probably a good idea because these building will be improved and if we make it more expensive and more difficult people may not make the necessary improvements. Mrs. Blazi also felt the putting unnecessary stumbling blocks in the way was not the thing to do, they already have enough of them. Mrs. Blazi: I make a motion, gentlemen, we seriously consider the planners recommen- dation and request that she come back to us with what she feels is the proper wording for something like this to be added, I gather, to our zoning. In other words, I'd like to see the renovation exemption in form. Mr. Finn seconded the motion. Motion Carried 5-0. TAPE DEFECTIVE DID NOT RECORD Parking Regulations: The Code Enforcement Officer and Mr. Easterling were not present for the discussion regarding the need for parking regulations of some kind because of the problem Mr. Easterling is having at his home in Florida Shores. The Code Enforcement Officer and Mr. Easterling will be requested to attend the next regular meeting of the Board unless some kind of arrangement can be made between the Code Enforcement Officer, the Planning Department and the Police Department as to the best way to handle the situation. Mr. Mackie made a mot'ion to table this item. Mr. Loeffler seconded the motion. Motion Carried 5-0 Miscellaneous: There was some discussion as to the change in secretaries for the Board. The Board members asked to be notified from now on if there are any changes in secretaries. Adjournment: There being no further business, Mrs. Blazi made a motion to adjourn. The Planning and Zoning Board was duly adjourned at 10:15 A.M. -3- Planning and Zoning Board Minutes Regular Meeting November 20, 1986