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CITY OF EDGEWATER
ZONING BOARD REGULAR MEETING
August 7, 1979
CALL TO ORDER
Mr. Mackie called the meeting to order at 7:30 P.M: in the Edgewater
City Hall.
ROLL CALL
Mr. Mackie
Mr. Siciliano
Mr. Wheeler
f{lr. Opal
Mr. Bowser
~lr. Engle
Mr. Troian
Present
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Mr. Mackie asked for the approval of the minutes for July 3, 1979, Regular
Meeting and July 11, 1979 Special Meeting and Workshop.
Mr. Siciliano made a motion to approve the minutes of July 7. Mr. Wheeler
seconded the motion. The motion CARRIED 7-0.
Mr. Opal made a motion to approve the minutes of July 11. Mr. Siciliano
seconded the motion. The motion CARRIED 7-0.
Mr. Mackie asked that Frank Berman, clarification of model homes, would
come forward and state his name.
Mr. Berman stated that he was a bit confused as to what is and what is not I
permitted in a Park Avenue Model Home. This is on the Southeast corner
of Indian River and Evergreen, which is zoned R-1B. The house that he
proposes to build on it is a single family residence. He does not propose
to use it as an office. He would like to put a sign in front of it
that simply says "Model Home" and leave it open, unmanned with simple
literature in there referring people to his office which is located on
Hibiscus Drive. It will not be operated as a sales office.
Mr. Siciliano asked how large the sign would be?
Mr. Berman said 3' by 41.
Mr. Mackie asked if he was going to keep it as a model home or sell it
within a period of time.
Mr. Berman said he anticipated selling it within a 6 month period of time.
Mr. Siciliano said he did not believe that there should be a time limit.
If it is used strictly as a model home, he(:does not see anything wrong.
Mr. Mackie said that the only thing was that it should be kept up according
to a residential property, it must be presentable to the neighbors.
At this time there was some discussion on the sign size.
Mr. Opal said he would temporarily table this and take it up at a workshop
session.
Mr. Mackie said we cannot vote at a workshop meeting. He then asked
for any other comments from the Board.
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Mr. Engle said he could see no reason to table this at all.
Mr. Mackie asked if there was a motion on the floor.
Mr. Siciliano made a motion that the Board allow the Model Home to go in
with these restrictions except the one on time limit. It will not be
used as an office, that there will be no office on the premises, no
resident living, daylight hours only and a reasonable sign. Mr. Bowser
seconded the motion. The motion CARRIED 7-0.
Mr. Mackie asked Mr. Murphy to enlighten Mr. Berman as to the proper
size of the sign to be put on the property.
Mrs. Coon, with Pilch Construction, also has a model home, it is now sold
and she is in the process of building another. She would like to have
an office in it and would like to live in it. She found some property
adjacent to R-1B 1601 adjacent to B-2, on India Palm. This property is
adjacent to the Magnuson property, which is residential. She does have
a signed contract with the people who own it, they are willing to sell it
if she can get the proper zoning. She feels that this is a reasonable
request. She would like to have a furnished model as it is very expensive
to furnish two homes.
Mr. Mackie asked why she was asking for rezoning on a residence to put
in commercial when there are scmany residential properties in Florida
Shores that she can put a house on?
Mrs. Coon said because as you have just stated here, she can conduct no
business there and she cannot live in it if it is a model home. That
is why she has to build two houses, a residence and a model. She feels
that a furnished model is much more effective than just a move in house
and that a manned model is much more effective than a move in house.
Mr. Mackie said you are asking for spot zoning. You want to put two lots
of residential in commercial.
Mrs. Coon said the four lots adjacent to it were spot zoned.
Mr. Mackie said not for Magnuson Corporation, No. You1re talking about
r~agnuson Corp. of Indian River Blvd., that was zoned in when Mr. Sullivan's
was zoned in on the opposite corner. When Mr. Su11ivan's property was
zoned in, if Magnuson didn't want to go along, Mr. Sullivan did not get
his zone changed. Both owners had to be zoned commercial at the same
time. Mr. Magnuson was notified that Mr. Sullivan wanted a zone change,
his reply was in full agreement, we zoned the two corners and that was a
spot zoning.
Mrs. Coon stated that a model home is only good for a certain amount of
time. She is asking for this rezoning only because she cannot conduct
business in her home as a model. Her models are always for sale even
though she lives in them.
Mr. Mackie said this is still a spot zoning situation.
Mrs. Siciliano suggested that we table this until we can get a legal
opinion.
Mrs. Coon asked when she might hear from the Board?
Mr. Mackie said he had no idea, they would have to get in touch with Mr.
Woods. The Board Wi 11 probably have a ,workshop meeti ng sometime thi s, month "
and put this on the agenda and discuss it again and by that time they
should have an answer from the attorney.
r~ r. Mac k i e ask e d Mr. Bill W rig h t, r e pre s en tin g Mr. Row 1 e y , to g i ve his
explanation.
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Mr. Wright stated that as a representative of Mr. Rowley, their considera-
tion of annexation of this property and with a proposed plat of the
way we plan to use it in developing and also the zoning, which would be
the R-l. It was discussed by the commission and they recommended that
it go through the Building Code Board or the Planning Board for their
comments. The property as quoted in the letter is surrounded on three
sides and is a strip along Glenwood and 27th. It is a 10 acre plot,
1 acre lots each. Mr. Rowley owns all the land.
Mr. Siciliano made a motion that we recommend to the Council to accept
this for annexation under R-l. Mr. Wheeler seconded the motion. The
motion CARRIED 7-0.
A letter will be sent to Council.
Mr. Mackie asked if Mr. Ranken was present. He then
hold this until later in case Mr. Ranken showed up.
next item so as not to hold up the :meeting. We have
MH-S recommendation to the Council for Mobile Homes.
said the Board would
We will go on to the
old business on the
Mr. Siciliano made a motion to recommend to Council to authorize Mr. Woods
to start working on the MH-S ordinance as we discussed it. Mr. Opal
seconded the motion. The motion CARRIED 7-0.
A letter will be sent to Council.
Mr. Mackie said that the Board needed to discuss the B-5 and B-3, the
traffic light that goes from West Park Ave. to Pearl. If there is any
other business that we want to bring in under the B-3, now is the time
to do it. We need to discuss this or table this.
Mr. Engle suggested that the Board table this until the next meeting.
Mr. Mackie said there had been problems with the B-3 used car lots. We
should set this up in a business like manner and put restrictions on it.
They should have a paved lot, proper drainage, beautification on the
lot, perhaps we could bring it in under a size lot that they could
operate under.
Mr. Siciliano said that if we made it permitted uses with restrictions on
it, then a man can open it without going through all the hassles,
provided he meets the requirements of the restricted uses.
Mr. Mackie said we should check out the legalities of this and how far
we can push it, to get it up to date to make it look like a used car lot
and not a junk yard.
Mr. Wheeler made a motion to table this until the next workshop. Mr. Engle
seconded the motion. The motion CARRIED 7-0.
Mr. Mackie said the
about motor tune up
The question is, do
Guava and Hibiscus.
next item was the B-2 Auto Repair. We were talking
and front end repair, which we don't have in the B-2.
we want to bring it into B-2, which would be up on
Do we want to add it to the permitted uses in B-2?
Mr. Engle suggested to have the enforcing officer check to see if the
body shop is legal or illegal.
Mr. Mackie said we have a B-2 zone from 21st to 30th street, zoned in
that we have land West of F.E.C. from 21st to 30th. That makes this
legal.
Mr. Engle made a motion that a letter be sent to the Council to see if
the body shop is legal or illegal.
Mr. Mackie said the body shop is legal according to Ord. 979 passed in
1 975 .
Mr. Engle withdrew his motion since it is legal. Mr. Engle made a motion
to table this. Mr. Opal seconded the motion. The motion CARRIED 7-0.
Mr. Mackie said the next item was the Boston Estates.
Mr. Warren said he came to the meeting to find out the status of Boston
Estates.
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Mr. Mackie said on June 5, 1979, this was tabled for further study
because there were questions on parking problems and the right of way.
The Fire Chief, the Planning Board and the Chi'ef of Police, all Boards
have to give approval before a sub division can go through and they
have said to turn it down. The sub division calls for a 50' right of
way and this is what they turned it down on, it had nothing to do with
the building.
Mr. Warren said on May 1, 1979, he met with the Zoning Board with a sketch
plan, the Board said they would accept the plan provided increased turn
around is created and the Council approves the easement, that was the
only condition. May 7, 1979, the Council met and tabled this until the
City Engineer could check out the easement. The special meeting of the
Zoning Board on May 8, 1979, Mr. DeGroot was there and he said, the
dedicated ingress and egress as an easement and recommended that the
City provide the increased turn around. On May 14, Mr. Corey told the
Council he had revised the drawings and enlarged the turn around as
requested by the City Engineer and the Zoning Board were provided and he
was willing to dedicate a 25' right of way plus the 10' easement. Mr.
DeGroot said this was satisfactory. A motion CARRIED 5-0. June 5, then
the questions came up about the size of the ingress and egress by the
Police and Fire Chief.
At this time there was a discussion on this matter.
Mr. Mackie said the right of way was not acceptable on Boston Estates.
Mr. Warren asked the Board what recommendations they could make to make
this acceptable to the Board?
There was a lengthy discussion at this time.
Mr. Warren, at this time withdrew his sub division from Boston Estates. He
thanked the Board for their time.
Mr. Mackie suggested that Mr. Warren see Mr. Murphy to see what would
be acceptable. He then stated that the Buffer Zones were the next
item on the list.
Mr. Siciliano suggested that the wording of the Ordinance might be changed
to state that all businesses will have a buffer between commercial and
residential properties.
Mr. Mackie said the Zoning Board has a special meeting in the middle
of this month and we can bring all these items up and vote on them. Let's
entertain a motion on it tonight and get something into the City Council.
Mr. Troian made a motion that the discussion we have had be part of the
business that the IIGrandfathering Inll clause should be researched, so that
all businesses comply with the buffer zone regulations. Mr. Wheeler
seconded the motion. The motion CARRIED 7-0.
A letter will be sent to the Council.
Mr. Mackie stated that the issue on Mr. Ranken has been tabled until
further contact with him.
Mr. Wheeler made a motion to adjourn. Mr. Troian seconded the motion. The
motion CARRIED 7-0.
Meeting adjourned
Minutes submitted by
Donna Prevatt
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