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ZONING BOARD
APRIL 28,1976
Mr. Mackie called the Zoning Board meeting to order on April 28, 1976 at
7:30.
Roll Call
Mrs. Turner
Mr. Taylor
Mr. Mackie
Present
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Present
Mr. Shell Chamber of Commerce
Mayor Armstrong
Councilman Sikes
Councilman Carnie
Councilman Deitz
Councilwoman Webber
Present
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Present
We are all here for the benifit of the Sign Ordinance.
There has been one reading on the ordinance and then it was turned back to
the Zoning Board. We have written a new sign ordinance but it has not been
given to the Council.
Mayor Armstrong stated that he went through the ordinance today and he feels
there are apot of parts that need to be revised.
Page 13 Section 701.04.7 Real Estate Signs reads as follows in the present
sign ordinance: Only one (1) real estate sign not exceeding one and one-half
( l~ Yeet square in area may be erected for each parcel of property offered
for sale, lease or rent. In addition, one (1) directional sign entitled
"0pen House" not to exceed one and one-hal f (l~) feet square in area shall be
permitted for each parcel or structure offered for sale, lease or rent. The
name of the person placing the directional sign shall be shown on the sign
foridentification purposes. Councilman Deitz stated that we should make the
recommedation that this be changed to a 2 ft. square sign. (24 inches)
There was some discussion on signs on both sides. Counciman Sikes stated
that if we look back on page 2 this may answer the questions. It reads as
follows: A projecting or ground sign with sign surface on both sides of such
sign shall be construed as a single sign, and the total area of such sign shall
be the area on a single sign. This was_discu~sedA This part will be changed.
Mrs. Turner read page 7 it reads as follows: Section 701.03 General Sign
Provisions. Section 701.03.1 Compliance with other codes. All signs shall
be erected, altered or maintained in accordance with the building and
electrical codes of Edgewater and all other regulations that are applicable.
Sections 701.03.2 Confusing Lights: There shall be no red, amber, or green
lights, either fixed or moving, which might create confusion with traffic lights
or emergency vehicles. Mayor Armstrong asked who is to determine this? There
was alot of discussion on this. Mr. Taylor suggested that we look at page 15
Section 701.07.1 it reads Sign~ Prohtbited~from~~ll.:~oning Districts Section
701.07.1 Any sign that is attached, painted, or placed onto a parked vehicle
which is used primarily for the purpose of advertising. Also read was section
701.07.4 Any of the following sign types Banner Signs, Billboards, Off-site
signs, other than bench signs approved by the City Commission, Portable signs,
revolving sings, roof signs, sandwich signs, snipe signs, including pennants,
non patriotic flags and wind operated devices, Beacon lights, moving or traveling
lights, flashings signs. Councilman Deitz stated that these devises are very
important to businesses. Chairman Wolfe stated that you could get a permit
for th~r grand opening.Mr. Cameron stated that he had one of these flashing signs
before he had the sign no one kneww~re he was. With the sign there was no
question. There was allot more discussion on this.
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He went on to say that on page 17 there are two different time periods. (B)
Revolving signs: All revolving signs shall be discontinued thirty (30) days
after the effective date of the adoption of this ordinance. (C) Traveling
lights: All traveling lights shall be discontinued sixty (60) days after the
effective date of the adoption of this ordinance. (D) Beacon and Flashing
lights: All beacon and flashing lights that do not conform to the regulations
of this Ordinance, shall be discontinued thirty (30) days after the effective
date of the adoptions of this ordinance. There was no explanation for this.
Councilman Deitz stated that he feels that these flashing signs should be
allowed but only by permit and the places where they are to be placed should
be inspected to see that they are not a traffic hazarrl,or a nuisance. Mr.
Wolfe stated that he thought that the real estate people should make up a sign
ordinance and bring it back to us to review. Also the business people.
Mr. Mackie stated that this sign ordinance has been worked on since 1974 we have
not had any cooperation.
Mr. Hamel feels that we should not do anything with the sign ordinance at
the present.
Mr. Mackie stated that if there was a sign that was in bad condition that the
owners would be given time to repair it if it was not repaired the City would
take it down and charge the owners.
Mr. Mackie also stated that~~igns that were too big there would be a five year
limit on it to alter or change it. We would not make thesepeople who have
large signs and take care of them take them down. There was much discussion
on this.
Councilwoman Webber stated the she thought that the State Road Dept. has
requested that these flashing signs be taken down.
r.ouncilwoman Webber went on to say that she is not in favor of the signs that
~re put up for fruit etc.
::rs. Turner read page 7 Section 701.03.3 Fire and Health Hazard: Vegetation
shall be kept cut in front of, behind, and. underneath the base of ground sign
for a distance of ten (10) feet, and no rubbish shall be permitted under or
near such sign that would constitute a fire or health hazard. Mayor Armstrong
asked if you were talking about the footage front fnd back and at each end of
the sign. He stated that it is doubtful that a p1~ce of property that has
a sign has that much footage.Instead of putting feet in it should read a safe
distance. /I
Mrs. Turner read page 7 section 701.03.4 Immoral Nature. No sign shall be
erected which displays any statement, word, character, or illustration of
obscene, indecent, or immoral nature. Everyone agreed on this.
i~rs. Turner read section 701.03.5 Name of Company Installing to be on Sign:
Every sign or other advertising structure hereafter erected shall have painted
on a conspicuous place thereon, and legibly, the name of the company installing
the sign, the date of erection, the permit number and the voltage of any
electrical apparatus used in connection therewith. There is a Florida Statue
on this. Mayor Armstrong stated. Add in after name of com~anj or(individual).
Mrs. Turner read section 701.03.6 Public Interference: Signs shall not create
a traffic or fire hazard, or create conditions adversely affecting the public
safety. Everyone agreed on this.
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Mrs. Turner read section 701.03.7 Shielding; All i11Qnimated signs shall
provide shielding for the source of illumination in order to prevent a direct
view of the source from a street or from a residence in residential area.
Everyone agreed on this.
Mrs. Turner read section 701.03.8 Sign Area and Number: In areas where a given
number of signs and a total surface area of such signs is specified the total
surface area permitted may be used in a lesser number of signs than the maximum
permitted, but in no case shall the maximum number of signs be exceeded even
through,.....the total permisS'ible area is not used. This seemsto be conflrctin0
stated Mayor Armstrong you should have this comply with the other this will
make it workable.
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This will be gone into 'further and changed.
Mrs. Turner read section 701.03.9 Sign Location: No ground or projecting sign
shall be permitted in any required side yard or projection thereof to be front
public right-of-way. Mayor Armstrong stated that he had a question on this
since there is property that is on the corner. They have more than one entrance
to them. -According to this that would be prohibitted to have a side entrance
sign. This will be gone into further and changed.
Mrs. Turner read section 701.03.10 Signs on Public Property: No persons shall
erect a sign on or over any public property or public right-of-way except as
specifically provided in these regulations. Signs may be erected on public
property only by a public body or a semi-public body, provided such sign is
approved by the City Manager. Emergency or necessary signs of temporary nature
may be erected on public property only by a semi-public body provided such
sign is erected in the interest of the public safety, health or welfare. Strike
the City Manager out and it will be gone int0 fllrther and changed.
Councilman Sikes stated that we should althnugh" this ordinance strike out
City Manager. Replace it with the City Council.
Mrs. Turner read section 711.03.11 Signs over Public Right-of-ways: Signs may
overhang the public righ't-of-way up to four (4) feet beyond the right-of-way
line and not exceeding fo~ty(40) square feet in area over hanging the public
right-of-way, provided that there is a clearance of nine (9) feet above the
ground and that such signs shall not overhang a vertical projection of the curb
line. No support or any part of the sign structure shall be upon public right-
of-way. No permit shall be issued for any signs overhanging the public right-
of-way in accordance with this provision unless applicant posts a bond or public
liability insurance in the amount of one hundred thousand ($100,000.00) dollars
per person, three hundred thousand ($300,000.00) dollars for property damage.
Such bond or liability insurance shall remain in effect at all times. Mayor
Armstrong stated that this should not include State road right-of-way.
Mrs. Turner read section 701.03.12 Unsafe and Unsightly Signs: If the Chief
Building Official shall find any sign or other advertising structure regulated
herein unsafe or unsightly or insecure, or a menace to the public, or constructed
or maintained in violation of the provisions of this Ordinance, he shall give
written notice thereof, if the applicant fails to conform with the standards
herein set forth within (30) thirty days 'after such written notice, such sign
or structure may be removed. The Chief Building Official shall refuse to issue
a permit to anyone who has refused to comply with the standards set forth herein.
The Chief Building Official may cause any sign or other advertising structure,
which is an immediate peril to persons or property to be removed within forty-
eight (48) hours of notice thereof to said owner. Any permit issued by the
Chief Building Official for any sign shall, by and upon receipt of said
owner of all signs not properly maintained. Councilman Sikes stated that there
was one word out of place. He stated that the word applicant shoud not be in
there. This will be gone over and changed. Applicant should be replaced by
owner.
Councilman Deitz stated that we will have to have some one to inspect these
signs. There was some discussion on paying on these signs every year. Council-
man Sikes stated that he feels that a sign that is dangerous should have a
penalty charge put on it and have it enforced.
Mrs. Turner read section 701.03.13 Wind Pressure and Dead Load Requirements:
All signs and other advertising structure shall be designed and constructed to
withstand a wind pressure of not less than fifty (50) pounds per square foot
of area; and shall be constructed to receive dead loads as required in the
Building Code or other Ordinances of Edgewater. Upon request by the Chief
Building Official, an engineer's drawing may be required.
There was alot of discussion on this.
THis should read all permanent signs.
Thi~ will be gone over and changed.
This should state this.
Mrs. Turner Read Section 701.04 Specific Sign Type Provisions.
Section 701.04.1 Advertising Signs: All advertising signs shall be attached to
the occupant identification sign, or ,its supports, and the advertising sign or
signs surface area shall be included as part of the occupant identification
sign surface.
Councilman Deitz stated back to section 701.03.13 it should not only read
permanent signs but permanent located signs.
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Mrs. Taylor read Section 701.04.2 Construction Signs: The erection of one (1)
construction sign shall be permitted on property where construction is actually
in progress under a current building permit. This sign shall not exceed
thirty-two (32) square feet. Such sign must be removed before a Certificate of
Occupancy is issued by the Building Department. Mr. Mackie stated that these
are only guide line;
Mrs. Taylor read Section 701.04.3 Development Signs: Two development signs may
be permitted where there are two entrances to an undeveloped subdivision shown
on a properly recorded plat. Signs shall be limited in size to one hundred
(100) square feet for each entrance. Permits for such development signs shall
be issued for a period of one (1) year only, by the Chief Building Official
only after determination that the promotion of the development is active.
Councilman Deitz stated that this should be made to be a bigger sign. Mayor
~rmstrong used Silver Ridge for an example he stated that this is not a
development sign it is an identification for a subdivision sign. He stated that
~he Title should be changed to say a~identification sign. Chairman Wolfe stated
that we will change it from 100 square feet to 500 square feet. If it is to
be more he can go to the board for a variance. We will add to 701.04.7
Real Estate Signs. Page 13 Add to this after each parcel or structure offered
for sale large acreage for commercial] a sign of 32 square feet will be allowed.
Back to page ten Section 701.04.4 Flashing Signs~ Flashing Signs are prohibited
except weather and temperature signs. Mayor Armstrong stated that this should
be changed to flashing signs that are a hazard are not allowed. Also signs
that are used by the street dept. These should be allowed. Councilman Deitz
stated that it should be flashing signs that are a hazard should not be allowed.
Mrs. Taylor read section 701.05.5 Occupant Identification Signs: Section
701.05.1 In the R-4. R-5, R-5a and R-6, Residential District and the MH-l,
MH-1A, Mobile Home Park District and B-6 Medical-professional District, only
one (1) wall or ground type occupant identification sign is permitted. (a)
Sign Design: All sign design plans must be submitted to the Chief Building
Official. B) Sigri Height: Sign height shall be limited to fifteen (15)
feet above the surface of the ground. C) Sign Projection No projecting sign
shall project more than one (1) foot from any building wall or canopy edge
or project more that one(l) foot over any walk, drive, parking area of public
way. D) Sign Size: No sign shall exceed one (1) square foot of area per two
(2) lineal feet of building wall facing a public street or access drive if the
building wall facing a public street or access drive if the building has no
frontage on the public street. E) Illuminated Signs: Illuminated signs shall
be limited to those illuminated from behind to silhouette letter and figures.
This seems to be in order.
Mrs.Turner read Section 701.04.5.2 In the B-5 Shopping Center District and in
other commercial zoning districts where individual businesses are connected
under a continous roof, only one (1) ground type occupant identification signs
shall be permitted, not to exceed twenty-five (25) feet in height with all other
requirements as stipulated in this section. Only wall signs for identification
purposes of individual business establishments may be erected on the facade of
the building. They must not exceed five (5) square feet of area for each ten
(l~ lineal feet of street frontage. This will have to be gone over and changed.
Councilman Sikes stated that we should go back to section 701.05.5 and put
in there directory signs.
Mrs. Turner read section 701.04.3 In all commercial and industrial zoning
districts each principal building or individual business which is not connected
under a continous roof shall be allowed to erect one wall occupant identification
sign and one' of the three additional occupant identification sign types to the
regulations listed below: A) Wall Occupant Identification Signs: A wall
sign may be erected if it does not exceed five (5) square feet for each ten
(10) feet of frontage on a public street, but in no event shall its surface
area exceed fifty (50) square feet. In addition, any establishment may erect
one (1) wall sign that does not exceed twenty (20) square feet on the face of
any seawall, bulkhead or retaining wall, limited to the name of the establishment.
B) Occupant Identification'~igns on Ground: A group sign may be erected
provided a roof or a projecting sign is not erected. Ground signs are subject
to the following limitations: Surface Area Limit: Not to exceed five (5)
square feet for each ten (10) feet of frontage on a public street plus one and
one-half (l~ square feet for each one thousand (1,000) square feet of building
not to exceed one hundred (100) square feet. Height Limit: Twenty-five (25)
feet measured from the ground to the highest point on the sign. Clearance:
There shall be a clearance of nine (9) feet between the ground and the bottom
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~ 'of the sign, C) ~jecting Occupant- Identificati~Signs: A projecting sign
may be erected provided a roof or ground sign is not erected. Projecting
signs are subject to the following limitations: Projection Limitations Five
(5) feet beyond the surface of the portion of the building to which it is
attached or designed. Minimum Clearance: There shall be a clearance of nine
(9) feet between the ground and the bottom of the sign. Roof Occupant-
Identification Signs: Not permitted. This will have to be gone over and
changed.
Section 701.04.6 Political Signs or Posters: A cash bond of fifty dollars
($50.00 is required for the posting of political signs. Size shall not
exceed eight (8) square feet per sign. This cash bond of fifty dollars ($50.0~
Is required in addition to the permit fee and may be refunded upon the removal
of the signs within ten(l~) days after elections. A winning candidate in a
primary election ~ay maintain his sign until ten (10) days following the general
election. No problem with this.
Section 701.04.8 Subdivision Signs: Subdivision signs may be permitted at
subdivision entrances provided the following requirements are met:
Section 701.04.9 A sign plan showing the sign design and location is submitted
to and approved by the Chief Building Official. There was a problem after
met: there is no explanation this should be finished.
Mrs. Turner read Section 701.04.10 The sign shall not exceed four (4) feet in
height and obstruct the view of motorist when entering or leaving the subdivision.
These should read a b c d instead of numbers.
Mrs. Turner read section 701.04.11 No sign shall exceed forty (40) feet in
area. Section 701.05 Signs permitted by zoning district. This will have to
be gone over and changed.
Mr. Bob Wolfe arrived at the meeting
Chairman Wolfe made a
rner seconded CARRIED.