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CITY COUNCIL OF EDGEWATER
REGULAR MEETING
MARCH 3, 2003
7:00 P.M.
COMMUNITY CENTER
MINUTES
CALL TO ORDER
Mayor Schmidt called the Regular Meeting to order at 7:10 p.m. in
the Community Center.
ROLL CALL
Mayor Donald Schmidt
Councilman James Brown
Councilman Myron Hammond
Councilwoman Harriet Rhodes
Councilwoman Judith Lichter
City Manager Kenneth Hooper
City Clerk Susan Wadsworth
Paralegal Robin Matusick
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INVOCATION, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
There was a silent invocation and pledge of allegiance to the
Flag.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
A. Regular Meeting of December 16, 2002
Councilwoman Lichter moved to approve the December 16, 2002
minutes, second by Councilwoman Rhodes. The motion CARRIED 5-0.
B. Regular Meeting of January 6, 2003
Councilman Brown moved to approve the January 6, 2003 minutes,
second by Councilman Hammond. The motion CARRIED 5-0.
C. Regular Meeting of February 3, 2003
Councilwoman Lichter moved to approve the February 3, 2003
minutes, second by Councilwoman Rhodes. The motion CARRIED 5-0.
PRESENTATIONS/PROCLAMATIONS/PLAQUES/CERTIFICATES/DONATIONS
A. Recognition of appointed/reappointed Board/Committee members
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Mayor Schmidt congratulated Oscar Zeller for being appointed to
the Economic Development Board.
B. Nancy Christman, presenting two (2) st. Johns River Water
Management District ceremonial grant checks
Nancy Christman made a presentation regarding some background of
the Water Management District. She presented two ceremonial
grant checks to Mayor Schmidt from the st. Johns River Water
Management District and congratulated the City staff for
applying. The first check was for the Gabordy Canal baffle box
in the amount of $28,500 and the second check was for a master
stormwater plan for the City for $105,834.00.
Councilwoman Lichter thanked Terry Wadsworth who played a big
part in getting that grant.
CITIZEN COMMENTS
Ferd Heeb" 115 N. Riverside Drive, asked questions with regard
to the previously held workshop. He asked what scientific
evidence, what studies, what has been done to determine the
impact of the proximity of a house to the river on the ecology of
the river. He hasn't heard or seen anything. The County passed
an ordinance that says 50 feet from the high water mark and 25
feet from the wetlands. He asked why the wetlands can't be a
back yard. He asked how they get around it and if they can get
around Volusia County's ordinance. He stated the answer is City
Manager Hooper said these were Class II waters. He asked why
there are Class II waters south of the Gabordy Canal. The
biggest polluter of the Indian River is the Gabordy Canal. It
drains a County residential area that is on septic tanks. The
next one is the Indian River ditch. You are draining u.S. #1
with stormwater. The houses on the riverfront form a buffer to
keep all of the stormwater coming off u.S. #1 running down the
side streets from going in the river. He spoke about the
pollutants coming off u.S. #1 or the boat ramps that go into the
river. Before the Council gets hard nosed and environmentally
sensitive, everybody that lives on the river is an
environmentalist. They are all concerned about the health of
that river and they don't want to see anything done to damage it.
When people stand up and make broad marks without any scientific
evidence that they are doing anything that is going to harm
environmentally sensitive lands, he asks the question where is
the evidence.
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Mr. Heeb feels before the Council says this will be locked down
and carved in stone, they should review this and make sure there
is some scientific evidence. Times are changing. Twenty years
ago you could eat oysters out of his back yard. He asked the
Council to do their homework before they do something as drastic
as they were talking about tonight.
George Ann Keller, 3039 Unity Tree Drive, stated they have just
received word that the Florida state Attorney's office has
approved their Edgewater Citizen Watch Association Inc. proposed
by-laws which shall be a non-profit, non-political organization
within the City of Edgewater supporting the Citizens Assisting
Police Program, Neighborhood Watch Programs, Crime Prevention
Programs as well as other programs supported by the City of
Edgewater Police Department. Membership is open to all residents
of the City of Edgewater. Recently three neighborhood watch
signs were put up. She spoke about a program where the Boy
Scouts will help paint people's house numbers on their driveways.
She informed Council they would be holding a meeting on Thursday
at the Florida Shores Clubhouse at 6:30 p.m. with Captain Stephen
Cousins as the guest speaker who will speak on Fire Prevention.
Pat Card, 3019 Willow Oak Drive, stated he has already
complimented Police Chief Ignasiak on doing a good job with
slowing things down on u.S. #1.
CITY COUNCIL REPORTS
Councilwoman Rhodes complimented Police Chief Ignasiak and City
Manager Hooper and all of those who have worked hard to get to
the point where they are really taking a hard line on the noise
of the motorcycles.
Councilwoman Lichter complimented the Chamber of Commerce for the
map they put out.
Councilwoman Lichter stated on February 22nd the Minorcans came
to town from st. Augustine. She further presented a report of
their meeting.
Councilwoman Lichter stated on January 11th they received a
letter from Oak Hill regarding increasing the wake zone at Marker
13.
City Manager Hooper stated they are going to draft a resolution.
They are working on this and it will probably be on the next
agenda.
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Councilwoman Lichter spoke of the letter received from DOT saying
we can have a left hand turn signal on u.s. #1 and Park Avenue.
Councilwoman Lichter spoke about a letter written by Bill Hill
regarding children playing on the streets in Florida Shores. She
suggested perhaps there is something Block Watch can do. She
suggested something be placed in the newsletter or sent to the
newspaper and put in Letter to the Editor.
Councilwoman Lichter stated on Wednesday, March 12th the Savvy
Seniors are going to be at the YMCA.
Councilwoman Lichter stated next month Edgewater hosts the League
of Cities Dinner. She asked if they should try to get together
before next month to plan what they will do this year.
Mayor Schmidt stated they are already contacting a few places to
see if the rooms are available. He suggested they get together
one half hour before their next meeting.
Councilwoman Rhodes asked City Clerk Wadsworth if she has done
anything yet. City Clerk Wadsworth stated she has got three
calls in for catering and three calls in for a location, the
YMCA, the new Fire Association Building or Edgewater Landing.
Mayor Schmidt had nothing at this time.
Councilman Brown commented on compliments he has received
regarding the Police Department.
Councilman Brown then spoke of the pancake breakfast he attended
at the Fire Association building.
Councilman Brown then spoke of being close to getting the grant
to finish the park. City Manager Hooper stated it still goes to
the County Council and we are ranked into the money. It's about
$400,000. He thought it was on their agenda for this coming
Thursday.
Councilman Hammond had nothing at this time.
PUBLIC HEARINGS, ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS
A. Public Hearing, adopting the proposed Interlocal School
Planning Agreement between the City of Edgewater and the Volusia
County School Board for public school facility planning in
accordance with Florida State Law
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city Manager Hooper made a staff presentation. Staff recommends
approval.
Mayor Schmidt opened the public hearing.
Councilwoman Rhodes expressed concern with what took the State to
so long. City Manager Hooper elaborated.
Councilwoman Lichter asked if the Planning Board, with the new
person coming on board, will have anything to do with determining
class size. City Manager Hooper explained the new person coming
on board will be a liaison.
Councilwoman Lichter asked if the Middle School is still
scheduled to be located at the horse farm. City Manager Hooper
stated this is some time out. The high school is the first to be
built.
Mayor Schmidt closed the public hearing.
Councilwoman Rhodes moved to authorize the Mayor and City Manager
to execute the Interlocal Agreement for Public School Facility
Planning, second by Councilman Brown. The motion CARRIED 5-0.
B. Res. No. 2003-R-01, Kelli Schwarz, owner, requesting
abandonment/vacation of a utility easement in the rear yard of
property located at 2134 S. Riverside Drive to allow the
construction of a swimming pool
Paralegal Matusick read Res. 2003-R-01 into the record.
City Manager Hooper made a staff presentation.
Mayor Schmidt asked whose utility easement it is. City Manager
Hooper stated it is part of what is dedicated in a plat to the
public. He asked Mr. Wadsworth if it is a power easement or to
be vacated as a drainage easement. Director of Environmental
Services Director Terry Wadsworth explained to the best of his
knowledge, there were several configurations for the property
adjacent to it. He thought that was just to be included with
development if it happened for an unprescribed purpose such as
drainage or other utilities for looping water lines or something.
There are other means of accomplishing that right now so it is
not really necessary at that location any longer.
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Councilwoman Lichter stated she understands that the utilities
have no problem with this. She asked Mr. Lear to explain what
the City is asking, which he did at this time. He further
explained what happened when this was originally platted.
Due to there being no comments, Mayor Schmidt opened and closed
the public hearing.
Councilman Hammond moved to approve Res. 2003-R-01, second by
Councilwoman Lichter. The motion CARRIED 5-0.
C. 1st Reading, Ord. No. 2003-0-01, Glenn Storch, authorized
agent for Hacienda Development Corp., requesting annexation of
approximately 18.27 acres of land located at 749 Bella Vista and
authorization for the Mayor to execute the associated Annexation
Agreement
City Manager Hooper made a staff presentation. Staff recommends
approval.
Paralegal Matusick read Ord. 2003-0-01 into the record.
Mayor Schmidt opened the public hearing.
Glenn Storch, Law firm of Storch & Morris, explained City Manager
Hooper is the reason they are doing this because he talked them
into doing this.
Mr. Storch spoke about the question regarding the flags that were
allowed in the development agreement. They made a determination
that the flags would not be considered signs and there would be
various types of flags.
Councilwoman Lichter asked about there being flags now. Mr.
Storch informed her there probably are. The County had a
question as to whether they might be considered signs.
city Manager Hooper stated there is an annexation agreement
making the flags acceptable to stay in front of Hacienda Del Rio.
Mayor Schmidt closed the public hearing.
Councilwoman Rhodes moved to approve Ord. 2003-0-01 and
authorized Mayor Schmidt to execute the associated Annexation
Agreement, second by Councilman Brown. The motion CARRIED 5-0.
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D. 1st Reading, Ord. No. 2003-0-02, George Scott, President of
Edgewater Terrace Inc., requesting rezoning and approval of the
associated Zoning Agreement for property located east of Coco
Palm Drive, south of Pine Avenue and west of US 1, from R-4
(Multi-Family Residential) to RPUD (Residential Planned Unit
Development)
city Manager Hooper made a staff presentation. Planning & Zoning
recommended approval.
Paralegal Matusick read Ord. 2003-0-02 into the record.
Councilwoman Lichter asked what could have gone there with it
being zoned R-4. City Manager Hooper explained this is the
parcel the City had looked at at one time to purchase for City
Hall.
Councilwoman Lichter asked what multi-family means in Edgewater.
City Manager Hooper explained.
Mayor Schmidt opened the public hearing.
Pat Card, 3019 Willow Oak Drive, asked if the 75 feet by 115 feet
with a 7 ~ foot side setback is now standard for the City. City
Manager Hooper stated that is standard for the setback for the
City in all residential of this category. Mr. Lear stated the
side is generally 10 feet. Mr. Card spoke about not being able
to get a truck of any sort into your back yard with only 7 ~
feet to the side. He then asked if the 7 ~ feet is from the
overhang or the building itself. Mr. Lear informed him the
building.
Councilwoman Lichter spoke about not being able to put their boat
there and if the developer is planning a lot where a recreational
vehicle could be placed. City Manager Hooper stated this has the
homeowner's association that will draft the declaration of
covenants. More than likely they won't allow boats. Those will
come back at the final plat for review.
Councilwoman Rhodes questioned Edgewater Landing having ten feet.
Councilwoman Lichter informed her no. City Manager Hooper
stated our Code says ten. As a PUD you are entitled to ask for
it.
Robert Fuller, 408 Sea Hawk Court, expressed concern with the
impact the entrance is going to make. He spoke of it being
hazardous since Riverside Bank was put in as well as the existing
strip mall. He further spoke of this being a dangerous
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City Manager Hooper further commented on what they will be doing
with regard to creating a T-intersection, which will provide a
better access road out to u.s. #1. There will be turn lanes
required.
Mr. Fuller described traffic problems at this intersection. City
Manager Hooper stated Police Chief Ignasiak can take care of the
problems being described by Mr. Fuller.
Mr. Fuller asked if a traffic study has been done on this. City
Manager Hooper stated a traffic study has been sent to the City
Engineer for the project for review.
Mr. Fuller asked about from Falcon around that corner to the
development here isn't anything shown on the plot plan in this
proposed ordinance. He asked who has the right-of-way for that
road. He understands McCallister still owns that corner in
there. City Manager Hooper stated Falcon is a public dedicated
road.
Ed Grant, Edgewater Terrace, commented on the two parcels of land
they are dealing with and easements they have been granted.
Mr. Fuller asked about an identity sign for the subdivision. Mr.
Grant explained there will be no permanent sign on u.s. #1.
Councilwoman Lichter feels because more residential has such an
impact on water and other resources she is starting to worry that
by having this special classification that they are putting
houses closer together than Florida Shores was required to do.
She feels like they are trying to get the most out of the land
that they can. She is surprised Planning & Zoning didn't pick up
on that. She feels they need to start realizing that they are
impacting certain things by not watching growth management.
There was a brief discussion regarding the size of the lots in
Florida Shores.
City Manager Hooper spoke about the PUD agreement defining more
detail. He explained the setback isn't making the lots any
smaller. It just means the house can be closer to the edge of
the lot.
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Pat Card, 3019 Willow Oak Drive, stated last year the Council
approved the 60 foot lots for this same developer did so only
under duress. Councilwoman Rhodes mentioned that being done by a
court order. Mr. Card stated what was said then was this
developer would come in and ask for some more differences and
that they would see how things go then. Councilwoman Rhodes
stated San Remo came in and they did the same thing for them.
She questioned these lots being varying in size. City Manager
Hooper explained he came in and asked for 60 feet but preliminary
discussions would not allow this. Mr. Howard came in and asked
for some clustering to do smaller and larger lots.
Mr. Card stated this same developer has managed to get this
through three times.
Councilwoman Rhodes stated he got it through once under a court
order. They have not allowed under a 75 foot lot. Mr. Card
stated the 75 foot or less has been done three times so it is
becoming the standard. City Manager Hooper stated 75 has become
the standard and what the direction has been. This size lot
gives you three units to the acre, which is one unit below the
threshold.
Councilwoman Rhodes mentioned changing the threshold. Mr. Card
stated not necessarily. All they have to do is say no.
Councilwoman Rhodes stated why make that threshold if you aren't
going to allow anybody to abide by it. Make a different
threshold if that isn't what you want. As a City they have made
the threshold and he is abiding by it.
Robert Lundberg, 413 Sea Hawk Court, stated his back lot will
adjoin the new development the City is looking at. He stated
there is not going to be any wall or fence provided at this
retention pond, which will extend the entire south line of the
development. He further expressed concern with the retention
pond not having a barrier or fence around it.
City Manager Hooper stated there is no fence and generally what
you do is don't fence retention ponds. They become very
difficult to maintain and become an eyesore. You accommodate
that by having gentler slopes. The only ones that the City
requires a fence is the one with a 3-1 or 4-1 slope or greater.
Councilwoman Lichter mentioned the retention pond in Meadow Lake
Subdivision. She then spoke of the lakes in Florida Shores not
being fenced.
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Mayor Schmidt asked how deep the retention pond is supposed to
be. Mr. Grant stated four or five feet deep at the bottom with a
4-1 slope. The actual pond will probably be 25 feet wide.
Mr. Lundberg asked if this will be looked at during the course of
construction. City Manager Hooper commented on what occurs next.
Mr. Lundberg also expressed concern about Falcon Avenue and the
traffic flow.
Mayor Schmidt feels as this gets closer the speed limit after
Winn Dixie changes back to 50 or 55. He feels there has to be a
point when DOT will look at this. City Manager Hooper stated
they will describe that it is urban and lower it at some point.
Councilwoman Rhodes asked about U.S. #1 being widened. City
Manager Hooper informed her he hasn't heard anything. There isn't
anything in the long term plan. Councilwoman Rhodes feels U.S.
#1 is a nightmare.
Councilwoman Lichter feels the speed on U.S. #1 is their greatest
problem. She feels they need to make a plan.
Councilwoman Rhodes stated they have appointments tomorrow and
they will discuss this.
Ed Housworth, 417 Sea Hawk Court, asked why they changed the R-4.
He asked if they are going to be single family homes.
Councilwoman Rhodes stated if they change the zoning they will be
single family homes. Mr. Housworth asked what it was before
that. Councilwoman Rhodes informed him duplexes or apartments.
Mr. Housworth stated he lives next to Mr. Lundberg and would like
to see a wall to separate them from the retention pond.
Mayor Schmidt closed the public hearing.
Councilwoman Lichter moved to approve Ord. 2003-0-02, second by
Councilman Hammond. The motion CARRIED 5-0.
BOARD APPOINTMENTS
There were no board appointments at this time.
CONSENT AGENDA
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OTHER BUSINESS
A. Engineering Services Proposal - staff recommending approval
of Work Order 2002-6 for engineering services related to the
renewal of the City's Consumptive Use Permit and the design and
permitting of two new water supply wells by Quentin L. Hampton
Associates, Inc. at an estimated cost of $53,710.00, declaring
the project impact fee eligible and authorize the City Manager to
execute the Work Order
City Manager Hooper made a staff presentation regarding Work
Order 2002-6.
Councilwoman Lichter moved to approve Work Order 2002-6, second
by Councilman Brown. The motion CARRIED 5-0.
B. Consulting Services - staff recommending approval to
authorize the City Manager to execute Addendum #1 and Work Order
#8 for Land Design Innovations (LDI) for preparation of the SR
442 Corridor Plan
City Manager Hooper made a staff presentation. This will go all
the way from 1-95 to Riverside Drive.
Councilwoman Lichter spoke about the camouflaging the concrete
poles on SR 442. City Manager Hooper agreed to look at this.
They are going to look like poles no matter what they do.
Councilwoman Rhodes asked if this is going to be that specific.
City Manager Hooper commented on it being very specific.
Councilwoman Rhodes asked why we can't copy Port Orange. City
Manager Hooper stated you can copy some parts of it but it needs
to be specific to the intersections, to setbacks to the poles or
any other natural features that are there. The County is paying
half because it goes through unincorporated areas.
Councilman Brown asked about losing any of the parking down to
Veterans Park because of the extension down to Riverside Drive.
City Manager Hooper stated there is the parking lot at Veterans
Park but you won't be able to park on the right-of-way.
Councilwoman Rhodes stated it is against the law to park on the
right-of-way.
Councilwoman Lichter spoke of providing additional parking
somehow. Mayor Schmidt feels this will come about later.
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ditch. City Manager Hooper
guardrail.
Councilwoman Rhodes asked if the Beautification Committee will
have some input in this study. City Manager Hooper stated the
Recreational/Cultural Services Board will probably review it.
This will be done by consultant. They can take to the Board for
any comments. They are also going to have neighborhood meetings.
Councilwoman Rhodes moved for approval, second by Councilman
Hammond. The motion CARRIED 5-0.
OFFICER REPORTS
City Clerk Wadsworth stated the City received a request from the
New Smyrna Beach High School Red Wave Band requesting money to
help fund their Washington, D.C. parade trip. There is a total
of $555 in the Promotional Activities line item. She recommended
$150 or whatever Council wishes.
Councilwoman Rhodes suggested they donate $200. Mayor Schmidt
suggested $250. Councilman Brown and Councilwoman Lichter
suggested $200.
Councilwoman Rhodes asked what other things they would have
coming. City Clerk Wadsworth informed her project graduation
will be coming in.
Councilwoman Lichter asked what they gave to project graduation
last year. City Clerk Wadsworth wasn't sure but she thought it
was $500.
Councilman Hammond suggested $225 as a compromise.
Councilwoman Rhodes moved to donate $225 to the New Smyrna Beach
Red Wave Band for their trip to Washington, D.C., second by
Councilwoman Lichter. The motion CARRIED 5-0.
Paralegal Matusick had nothing at this time.
City Manager Hooper spoke of a meeting he and Mr. Wadsworth
attended at Terra Mar Village last week. He would like to
schedule a workshop with the Council on March 17th at 6:00 p.m.
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There was a brief discussion regarding the interest expressed by
the residents of Terra Mar Village with regard to the city taking
over the water and sewer.
CITIZEN COMMENTS/CORRESPONDENCE
There were no citizen comments at this time.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business to discuss, Councilwoman Rhodes
moved to adjourn. The meeting adjourned at 8:35 p.m.
Minutes submitted by:
Lisa Bloomer
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