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General Employees' Pension Board of Trustees
Minutes - Regular Meeting
March 16, 2009
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CITY OF EDGEW ATER
GENERAL EMPLOYEES' PENSION BOARD
Regular Meeting
MINUTES
Monday, March 16,2009
CALL TO ORDER! ROLL CALLIDETERMINATION OF A QUORUM
The Edgewater General Employees' Pension Board held its quarterly (regular) meeting on Monday,
March 16, 2009 in the City Hall Conference Room at the City of Edgewater, Florida.
Members Present:
John Brackin
Brenda Dewees
Bobby Laramore
Jonathan McKinney
Tim Sopko
Harriet Rhodes
Tyna Hilton
H. Lee Dehner
Brad Heinrichs, Foster & Foster
Sheila Hutcheson
Mike Welker, The Bogdahn Group
Mark Conrad, Attorney, and Tonya Niday (by telephone)
Donna Looney, Personnel Director
Liz McBride
Ken Hooper
Members Absent:
Plan Attorney:
Plan Actuary:
Board Administrator:
Consultants:
Principal:
City Staff:
Claimant:
Claimant's Representative:
Vice-Chairman Dewees called the meeting to order at I :55 p.m. Members indicated their presence; there
was a quorum, with five members present.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES - Quarterly Meeting - December 11, 2008
Member Laramore made a motion to approve the minutes of the December 11, 2008 quarterly meeting;
Member McKinney seconded the motion, which passed unanimously.
NEW BUSINESS
Initial Hearing - consideration of claim filed by Liz McBride
Principal was contacted by telephone and Attorney Dehner outlined the procedure for the initial hearing
pursuant to the claims procedure that had been adopted by the Board (Rule 14). This stage is an informal
hearing which can proceed to a more formalized process. Ms. McBride requested this hearing to make a
claim of estoppel, involving a statement of fact, her reliance on the information, and that her reliance was
justifiable; i.e., she had no reason to believe the information provided by Principal was a mistake. There
were no questions on procedure.
Ms. McBride's presentation was made by Ken Hooper, who opened by advising that Ms. McBride was
employed from November 1992 till June 2007 and she had an employment contract. There was a
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separation agreement at the time her employment ended and the member pension contributions were
deducted from the separation pay. Additionally, there was a payment of unused leave benefits, the
number of hours of which Ms. McBride could have used to ensure that her service date would be past the
September 30 date referenced in the Pension Plan. Mr. Hooper stated that the Plan Document is not
written well and is confusing. The issue is that at the time of her separation from service, there was an
email written to Principal asking specifically if her retirement would be adjusted based on the severance
and unused leave benefits pay. In its response to this email.Principal stated that it would be adjusted;
accordingly, Ms. McBride signed the separation agreement acting in reliance on the information provided
by Principal. The amount of increase in her retirement benefit was about $700.00/month. Mr. Hooper
reiterated that Ms. McBride proceeded based on her reliance on the information from Principal; had she
known that Principal would not adjust her retirement as stated in their em ail response, she would have
ensured that her employment ending date was after September 30. Ms. McBride's request to the Board
was to authorize the retroactive payment on her benefit from when she retired (counting this as part of her
highest year) until the present time.
Mr. Hooper stated that the mistake is Principal answering "yes" to Ms. McBride's question and she made
her decision on separation from service acting in reliance on that response. Attorney Dehner asked if any
estimates of the amount had been provided to her and she said she had calculated the amount herself.
Prior to her separation, she was already retired and working and that is why she asked the question about
the inclusion of the severance pay and unused leave. Attorney Dehner summarized that there are two
issues: is the last year included and is severance pay included? Mr. Hooper said these two questions
were addressed to Principal in the email sent on Ms. McBride's behalf and Principal had responded that
the benefit would be recalculated to include both. Then, Mr. Dehner asked Personnel Director Donna
Looney if she had any information to provide; she said the email was sent because of the significant
amount of money involved in the severance and unused leave payment and it would not be at the end of
the fiscal year. Ms. Looney stated that she understood that Principal, by their response, would include it.
Attorney Conrad said that Principal is not adversarial to the claimant. He further stated that Principal says
that their response was a general response to an inquiry without any specifics (there was no benefit quote
updated). He went on to say that Principal's role was to provide general recordkeeping services on behalf
of the Plan. Member McKinney asks if there is any guidance from the IRS that might apply to this
situation and was told this issue is governed by the Plan Document. Member Sopko asked about any past
practice and was told that Ms. McBride was the only retiree who was subject to an employment contract.
When Mr. Hooper mentioned some other members, Attorney Conrad said that Principal might not have
been told in the past what the termination pay included. Member Dewees asked if Ms. McBride's wages
would have included severance pay had she worked till September 30. Mr. Hooper then reviewed the
definition of compensation and noted again that the pension member contribution was deducted on the
severance pay. Attorney Dehner pointed out that the email from Ms. Looney to Principal clearly
specified that Ms. McBride's last check would include a large amount of severance pay. Mr. Conrad then
said the email was not sent to the claimant but to Ms. Looney and said the benefits were recalculated and
increased (to include service credit) but not to include severance pay. He further said this was a general
response and significant information was omitted from the email.Mr. Hooper stated that this was in
May; Ms. McBride then met with Personnel Director Looney to specifically address this issue and there
were several conversations with Principal in which this was clearly discussed. Attorney Dehner asked
about other communications with Principal and Ms. Looney responded that she did talk to Principal in
this regard and asked for detail. She stated that one call to Principal was made when Ms. McBride was
present in her office. Via telephone, Tonya Niday said the increase in the retirement benefit would be for
years of service but not for the amount of compensation and that the member contribution went to offset
the cost of the plan. Member Laramore said that if the 2.5% member contribution was paid on the
earnings, he thought the benefit should be based on that. Principal again stated that they are only in a
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recordkeeping role and any determination of benefits would be based on the Plan Document. They also
said that if the Board decides to grant the request from Ms. McBride, it doesn't create an estoppel liability
on the part of Principal. However, Attorney Dehner said that Principal may have liability, with which
Attorney Conrad disagreed. Member Laramore said this is Principal's responsibility, not the Board's.
Mr. Dehner said the decision by Ms. McBride was made based on Tonya Niday's email response.
Attorney Conrad then said that Rule 14 puts the burden on Ms. McBride, not Principal, to establish the
claim; Mr. Dehner agreed, noting that the Board wanted Principal's input. Then, Mr. Conrad stated that if
the Board finds that the claimant acted in reliance on the information provided in the email, the
determination is by the Board (Plan), not Principal. Mr. Dehner agreed, and again commented that there
are two issues.
Member McKinney made a motion to recalculate Ms. McBride's retirement benefit to include severance
and unused leave payments retroactive to the effective date in 2007 of her separation from service with
the City and to adjust her monthly retirement benefit prospectively; Member Laramore seconded the
motion, which passed unanimously.
Mr. Dehner advised the Board that after the recalculations have been prepared, the Board can then
consider action with respect to Principal. Actuary Brad Heinrichs will prepare the calculations as directed
by the Board (no interest will be added). The Plan Administrator will then follow up with Principal to
process the adjusted payments to Ms. McBride.
Actuary Brad Heinrichs said that he would prepare a separate calculation of the cost to the plan (impact
that will be the claim against Principal). At the next meeting, the Board will then discuss any action the
Board may want to take against Principal. Attorney Dehner said he would prepare the order of the Board
when the date her benefit began has been confirmed and the Actuary will calculate the new monthly
benefit amount and the retroactive payment amount.
The Administrator asked if the Board wished to continue tape recording the meeting now that the claim
hearing was over and the Board said to continue recording.
Principal contract amendment (November 2008) for approvaVexecute
It was the consensus of the Board to defer consideration of the Principal contract amendment until the
June meeting when Principal can attend the meeting and the contract can be reviewed by Mike Welker
and the Attorney.
Discussion/action: Review of Principal Plan Document provision for member contribution refund with
reduced retirement benefit (related to retirement calculation issues)
The Plan Administrator discussed the plan provision in both the Police and General plans that allows
terminated vested members an option to withdraw their member contributions with a correspondingly
lower retirement benefit and limited options; the current plans' language does not, however, provide the
same alternative to service retirees. This was brought to the forefront when a Police service retiree (upon
entering DROP) asked for the alternate calculation (with refund of his member contribution) and it was
determined that the plan document does not allow this, although Principal had provided it to another
Police service retiree. Personnel Director Donna Looney said that there has been one terminated, vested
General Plan member who has withdrawn the member contribution, with no alternate future benefit
calculation provided by Principal.
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Attorney Dehner advised that the current document specifies that terminated vested members can
withdraw the member contribution and have only a life annuity option as their retirement benefit (at a
reduced amount to reflect the withdrawal). He said that calculations need to be prepared by the Actuary
based solely on the plan document provisions. Member Dewees said that the 2.5% contribution was
implemented to provide for earlier retirement and asked it a refund wouldn't void that. The Actuary said
it would not, because the benefit is reduced to reflect the withdrawal and actuarial equivalence is
maintained. There was discussion about waiting until the plan is separated from Principal, at which time
the plan document will be completely restated. It was decided, in the interim, to follow the plan
document when preparing calculations.
The Board then asked when the contract with Principal can be terminated. Mr. Dehner advised that the
first step is the Actuary's calculation of the amount of money due upon termination and whether or not
this was properly represented to the Board/City by Principal. With that information, the Attorney for
Principal would be contacted and would be provided evidence of the misrepresentations that led to the
Board signing the contract. In order to maximize the amount the Plan would receive from Principal,
releases would be obtained from as many retirees as possible for their benefits to be paid by the new plan.
This process takes about one year. Mr. Heinrichs said that the contract states that Principal determines the
amount of assets their company retains to continue to pay retirees and they won't release the information
as to how the amount is calculated. Therefore, it is necessary that Principal advise of this amount; the
Actuary can determine the benefit index number from the last report from Principal. Mr. Welker said that
he would discuss at the next meeting custodians, investment managers, etc., that may be used when the
plan is "unbundled" from Principal.
Report from Administrator/Actuary: retirement calculation on tenninated, vested member
Ms. Hutcheson reported that she has received a retirement calculation request from a terminated vested
member and, in order for the calculation to be prepared, the Actuary must know which mortality table
should apply. Principal has not responded to the request for this information, so the Board's direction is
needed to proceed with the calculation based on the recommendation that the 1983 mortality table be
used. By consensus, the Board authorized the use of the 1983 mortality table for the retirement
calculations.
Heart Act Operational Summary (Principal)
Attorney Dehner outlined the mandatory requirements of the Heart Act which specifies that if a plan
member dies in military service, his/her survivor would receive retirement benefits. The optional part of
the Act relates to credited service and Mr. Dehner did not recommend that the Board include this
provIsIon.
Member Sopko made a motion to authorize execution of the Heart Act Operational Summary form from
Principal without the optional service credit; Member Brackin seconded the motion, which passed
unanimously.
Recommendation to City Manager/City Council for Board appointments (the tenns of Trustees Rhodes,
Laramore, and Sopko ended on February 5, 2009)
The consensus of the Board was to recommend the reappointment of Members Sopko and Laramore,
provided Member Laramore's reappointment is approved by the SPEA. Member Rhodes did not wish to
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be reappointed.
OLD BUSINESS - None.
REPORTS (ATTORNEY/CONSULTANTS)
The Bogdahn Group - Mike Welker
Mr. Welker opened by reporting that Lisa Spanraft is no longer with The Bogdahn Group and that he will
be handling the account. He then reviewed the performance, noting that the fund had $] O. ] million as of
December 3],2008 and specified the allocation of the portfolio (about 50/50 stocks and bonds). He next
discussed the breakdown of styles and that the overall fund performance was negative ] 6.] 4% (net of
expenses) for the quarter ending December 3], 2008, compared to the index's negative 9.30% for the
quarter. The average manager's performance with this fund's allocation was negative ]3.38%. The
historical returns have also been negative and the fixed income investments also had poor performance.
Member Dewees asked if the Board should give some sort of direction to Principal for change, but this
has been tried before and Principal wouldn't sign the Board's Investment Policy statement.
Mr. Welker concluded by advising that he will discuss investment managers and custodians at the June
] 0, 2009 quarterly meeting.
Foster & Foster, Actuary
Actuary Brad Heinrichs distributed a letter regarding the projection method for development of funding
requirements. Since the 2008 Valuation is not yet completed, he recommended that the Board adopt this
method so that the City will know it funding requirements for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2009
in a timely manner.
Member McKinney made a motion to adopt the projection method outlined in Mr. Heirnirch's letter
(contribution requirement of $746,241 for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2009); Member Sopko
seconded the motion, which passed unanimously.
Presentation: 2008 valuation - the Board deferred this item until the June 10,2009 meeting; Mr. Heinrichs
said he would mail the Valuations to Member Dewees for the Board members and one copy to the Plan
Administrator. The Board will formally accept the Valuation at the next meeting.
H. Lee Dehner, Attorney
Mr. Dehner opened his report with an update of legislation, noting that the issue of allowing up to
$3,000/year of retiree insurance premiums to be on a pre-tax basis is still pending. With respect the Rule
60T, the Florida Division of Retirement is reviewing the proposed amendments, in conjunction with the
input received at the October 2], 2008 public hearing, and there will be some changes made. The
Attorney then advised the Board that State Actuary Charles Slavin has retired, which should have a
positive impact. He concluded with a reminder that the annual Financial Disclosure Forms must be filed
by July 1,2009.
Sheila Hutcheson, Boanl Administrator - no separate report
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PROCESSED DISBURSEMENTS/RETURN OF CONTRIBUTIONS and DEPOSITS
DISBURSEMENTS
1. Sheila Hutcheson, plan administration fees (December, 2008, January, February,
2009) -$2700.00 ($900/month); postage/mileage expense - $24.26
2. Christiansen & Dehner, professional legal fees, $116.00; $1535.31; $87.00
3. The Bogdahn Group, performance consultant fees, 4th quarter, 2008 - $2500.00
4. IRS qualification filing fee - $1000.00
DEPOSITS
None
Member McKinney made a motion to approve the disbursements/return of contributions and deposits;
Member Laramore seconded the motion, which passed unanimously.
STAFF REPORTS, DISCUSSION, and ACTION - None.
TRUSTEES' REPORTS, DISCUSSION and ACTION
Member McKinney reported that the City's consultant, Brown & Brown, will be reviewing insurance
programs, including the pension fiduciary insurance.
REQUESTS FROM THE PUBUCIEMPWYEES PRESENT
The Plan Administrator advised that Fire Pension Board Chairman Jim Jollie had asked for a joint special
meeting next month for the three Pension Boards to discuss future issues, based on the market downturn.
The Board agreed to participate in the joint meeting.
ADJOURNMENT
Member McKinney made a motion for adjournment; Member Sopko seconded the motion, which passed
unanimously. The Vice-Chairman adjourned the meeting at 4:20 p.m.
Respectfully Submitted:
Approved:
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Sheila Hutcheson
Plan Administrator
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Chairman