11-01-2004 - Regular
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CITY COUNCIL OF EDGEWATER
REGULAR MEE TING
NOVEMBER 1, 2004
7:00 P.M.
COMMUNITY CENTER
MINUTES
1 . CALL TO ORDER
Mayor Schmidt called the Regular Meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. in
the Community Center.
ROLL CALL
Mayor Donald Schmidt
Councilman James Brown
Councilman Dennis Vincenzi
Councilwoman Harriet Rhodes
Councilwoman Judith Lichter
City Manager Kenneth Hooper
City Clerk Susan Wadsworth
Paralegal Robin Matusick
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INVOCATION, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
There was a silent invocation and pledge of allegiance to the
Flag.
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
There were no minutes to be approved at this time.
3. PRESENTATIONS/PROCLAMATIONS/PLAQUES/CERTIFICATES/DONATIONS
A. Recognition of appointed/reappointed Board/Committee
members
There were no Board/Committee members to be recognized.
B. Mayor Schmidt proclaiming November the "Month of the
Family" to recognize the family as the fundamental unit
of society
Mayor Schmidt read the proclamation proclaiming November as
"Month of the Family".
Eric Hill, representing the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day
Saints, along with his wife Susan, presented Council with a
plaque. Mr. Hill presented the plaques to City Clerk Wadsworth.
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4. CITIZEN COMMENTS
The following citizens spoke:
Pat Card, 3019 Willow Oak Drive, stated he is the Chairman of the
Board of the Chiles Academy. He informed Council of a resource
he felt they may not be aware of. The Chiles Academy was formed
to meet the needs of a special risk population in eastern Volusia
County. The population is the parent and pregnant teen mothers
and their children of this area. The students and their babies
comes from Daytona, Holly Hill, Ormond Beach, New Smyrna Beach,
Oak Hill, Port Orange and Edgewater. Currently Edgewater ranks
second to Daytona in the total number of students and babies in
the program. This is a conversion Charter School that serves
grades 6 through 12. The school is on the grounds of Atlantic
High School. The year before it became a Charter School there
were five graduates receiving high school diplomas. In the
Chiles first year of operation, the school had 23 graduates.
Last year they had 26 graduates. He further commented on the
assets over liabilities and unencumbered unassigned surplus and
the purchase of a new portable, which is the size of four regular
size portables. He then commented on the staff at Chiles Academy
and the Board of Directors. The school currently has over 100
students, moms and babies. He presented the Mayor with a copy of
the school's yearbook for 2002/2003.
Edward Clinton, Clinton's Auto Body, spoke of the Police
Department sitting in front of his business for a total of eight
hours in two days running radar. He feels that is not good for
his business. He has asked the officers to leave and they
refused. The following day he spoke to Chief Ignasiak. Three
hours later his wife gets a ticket. He did not think this was
coincidental. He feels it is not common courtesy for the
officers to pullover his customers during the daylight hours.
He feels no new business would want to come into this town with
that. He feels this needs to be addressed before it gets out of
hand. He spoke of officers that are no longer with the City that
would try to solve the problem before arresting someone. He
asked for the Mayor and Council to check into this. He spoke of
his business getting broken into several times. He spoke of mis-
communication in the Police Department.
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Mayor Schmidt asked Chief Ignasiak how they determine where an
officer is going to be placed to run radar. Chief Ignasiak
stated law enforcement actions are based on two things, primarily
citizens complaints. They have advertised through the Shorelines
how to call a complaint in. They also have people walk into the
front office and have anonymous complainers call on the
telephone. They also set a program up where they go back to
locations where they have repeat occurrences of speeding and they
monitor those locations. The location Mr. Clinton is describing
is one of those recurring situations. It is Hibiscus Drive. It
starts at Indian River Boulevard and runs one mile in a straight
line. At the intersection of 23rd and Hibiscus there is a school
and a playground. They routinely do radar there and have been
doing radar in front of his business for the last three years.
They go there when the problem reoccurs. They leave when it is
over. They were not on Mr. Clinton's property and will not go on
Mr. Clinton's property. They are on City right-of-way conducting
official business. Speeding right now continues to be the number
one problem and number one complaint the Police Department
receives in Edgewater. They have an obligation to go out and
address those issues and he will continue to send his officers
back to that location particularly in front of schools areas
where children play for their safety. Public safety first. Mr.
Clinton's wife did get a citation miles away from there in a
school zone. They probably issue three to four warnings for
every citation they write. This is not personal, this is about
speeding and they want to make the community safe.
Mayor Schmidt hopes the officers will continue to do what is
safest for the people.
Mr. Clinton stated he isn't against the Police Department pulling
people over. They do sit on his property because the oak tree
they sit under is on his property. He is against sitting in
front of someone's business when there are several vacant lots
down the street that they could park on. That is all he is
asking. It seems like it doesn't matter.
Councilwoman Rhodes asked Chief Ignasiak if it is possible. She
feels this is reasonable. Chief Ignasiak explained 23rd street
is half way. They sit right on the corner because that is where
the school playground is. They also sit on 26th street. The
closer they get to the stop sign the more advance warning the
speeders have.
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Dominic Capria, 606 Topside Circle, spoke of the capital projects
on the ballot and people vigorously campaigning for it. He feels
it is too bad they didn't have that vigorously campaigning when
it was on the ballot before. He feels it was an Election for
Councilmembers and it was just a whispering campaign.
Mr. Capria then listed the cost and millage rate for Proposition
1, 2, & 3. He questioned there being a $400,000 difference
between .41 millage rates for two propositions and the .41
millage rate for one.
City Manager Hooper agreed to go back and look at the
calculations.
Rav Anderson, 1905 S. Riverside Drive, felt they had a rather
good Biketoberfest. The first half of the ten day event went
rather smoothly. Overall a whole lot better than last year.
However, they also didn't have the crowds they had during Bike
Week. As the crowds picked up and the intensity increased, it
did get louder. He felt it was not at an acceptable level. The
second half was marginal. Fire Chief Barlow informed him he was
correct when he said there were no citations issued. He felt it
got close to violation levels but that depends on who is
monitoring it. He feels it is still a matter of opinion and
timing and needs constant monitoring. He complimented the Code
people for doing a very good job.
Mr. Anderson stated clearly marked on the corner of Boston Road
and U.S.#l there is a sign that says do not park in right-of-way.
Most of the week it was dually observed. After the music
stopped, bikes were parked on both sides of the street, in the
right-of-way. He questioned if they are going to do anything
about right-of-way parking. He feels it clearly needs to be
defined and enforced fairly.
Mr. Anderson stated he didn't observe hardly any motorcycles
coming down Boston Road and entering onto Riverside Drive.
Mr. Anderson stated for those who voted early, they weren't privy
to the sample ballot being distributed this week. He spoke of
the ballot being confusing but after reading it several times it
began to make sense. He feels it was written in a double
negative. He spoke of using the word shall and this being a
strong word which demands a definite action rather than may. He
spoke of voting for it and getting the same millage tax if you
vote against it. It was very simple. At that point he just
voted no for everything. He then commented on the instructions
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Mr. Anderson commented on the Proposition regarding approval of
debt by definition referendum. He feels if the city doesn't get
the approval by voting they can get it by question three.
Mr. Anderson proposed this Council consider voting this ballot
null and void on the grounds that it was biased and unfairly
written.
Tanva Girvan, No Name Saloon, stated they didn't have any
citations as far as noise this year. The noise people were there
on a regular basis. As soon as they came they went with them,
and if it was loud they turned it down. They did have one
complaint of the right-of-way parking that Councilman Vincenzi
called in himself. She stated the parking that was complained
about was across the street at McAllister's property. If you
look at other businesses along that area that do it all year
long, why Councilman Vincenzi's complaint was called in on her
business and not the rest of the City all year long. She doesn't
need an answer tonight. The right-of-way signs in front of her
business were bought and paid for by her. They do the best they
can. One night she had to remove the taping and cones to let a
truck that had pulled in her driveway across that right-of-way so
there was no one parking in the right-of-way in front of her
business.
Councilman Vincenzi stated the reason he called it in was because
there were 30 cars right up to the pavement. Ms. Girvan stated
they are the other businesses also. Councilman Vincenzi agreed
that other businesses do that too. Ms. Girvan asked if he has
called in a complaint on them the rest of the year. Councilman
Vincenzi stated he would be happy to if he sees them.
s. A. Nelson, 800 S. Riverside Drive, stated in terms of the flap
in the paper, he is supporting Councilman Vincenzi's position and
he wanted someone to tell him what is he lying about.
Councilwoman Lichter informed him she would get to that during
her Council reports.
Jeanne DelNiaro, 3130 Tamarind Drive, stated she has a problem
with the letter that went in the News Journal and she is one of
the people that when the Decade of Excellence tried to get City
Hall and shelter, she told the people to vote no. She wants to
know where Councilman Vincenzi turned around and lied.
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Ms. DelNigro informed Mayor Schmidt she did not appreciate flip
flop. He didn't flip flop. He said no before and said no again
this time in a letter that everybody got. She was not here she
was up north and when she got home she read the letter. She just
received her sample ballot on Saturday and had already gone to
early vote. She had called Assistant City Manager Liz McBride
because she got quite a few calls on Proposition 2. People were
confused because they figured if they voted for City Hall we
would get the City Hall but when they read Proposition 2 the way
it was worded, they figured they could renovate it for the $1.2
million. Ms. McBride explained to her that it was improperly
worded. She questioned if the taxpayers paid an Attorney to
write this up. City Manager Hooper informed her yes. Ms.
DelNigro asked City Manager Hooper if he felt we should get our
money back. He informed her no.
Ms. DelNigro stated she believes what Councilman Vincenzi said.
She feels all of the Council owes him an apology. She told the
voters to vote no for the whole thing.
Debra Roaers, 510 S. Riverside Drive, stated her comments have to
do partly with Councilman Vincenzi's comments and the article in
the newspaper. She agreed with Councilman Vincenzi. She voted
no to everything. She stated in 2002 the millage rate went from
5.95 to 6.95 mills. It was supposed to help out in the General
Fund because of the Employee Pension Fund losing money. City
Manager Hooper explained that was a portion of it. It went up to
cover lost revenues that were really from investments. She
questioned it only going up for one year. It is still in there.
When their rate went back half of a millage point, it really
wasn't like it went back half of a millage point. If it would
have then it should have went to 5.45 because that 1 millage was
supposed to be only for one year. It has never been mentioned
again why it is still sitting there. She believes we have a need
for City Hall but she voted against what was in the voting. She
believes that increase is still sitting there and would like to
know what is being done with that money and has the Employee
Pension Fund gained and what is being done with those
investments. Anyone that moves into the City of Edgewater is
going to have a huge surprise on property taxes. She feels for
people that are now moving into the area that are going to be
buying houses because they are going to be killed in property
taxes. She is a family of four. Her property taxes this year
are $5,300. The people that live directly behind her with a
family of four their property taxes are $300. She commented on
homesteading a property and your taxable value not being able to
go up more than 3% a year.
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Ms. Rogers spoke of an article in the paper not too long ago
about abolishing Oak Hill. She suggested abolishing Edgewater
and let Volusia County do what they are doing and why don't we
just deal with their own garbage. She just assumes deal with her
own garbage and not pay for these salaries and health insurance
and everything else.
Ms. Rogers again questioned the millage point that went up in
2002 and never went back and was only supposed to be up for a
year.
Councilwoman Rhodes stated that was never for one year. The
millage rate that this Council votes, we all pay it. We don't
raise taxes and are absolved from every having to bear the brunt
of that themselves. She doesn't want to pay anymore taxes than
she has to.
Ms. Rogers asked Councilwoman Rhodes how long she has lived here.
Councilwoman Rhodes informed her thirty years. Ms. Rogers stated
she isn't dealing with what she is dealing with and questioned
how many people are selling. That will constantly go on. The
people that are coming in are going to be paying for the brunt of
any capital improvements the City will have in the future.
Eventually people are going to get smart and it is going to
effect the real estate around here. Councilwoman Rhodes informed
her that they hope growth will pay for itself. Ms. Rogers
suggested we wait for growth before we tax those of us that are
here to pay for the capital improvements.
~ke Visconti, 316 Pine Breeze Drive, stated tomorrow is the day.
Tomorrow the people go out and vote. He was disappointed not to
see any signs out that say to vote yes for City Hall. He spoke
of seeing signs allover to vote yes for the Animal Shelter. He
encouraged people to vote yes for City Hall.
Mayor Schmidt informed Mr. Capria they are all giving each other
respect so they can hear each other and they just want to be able
to hear everybody.
Nick Vincenzi, 1604 Queen Palm Drive, read an article in the
newspaper on October 28th about "Councilwoman Lichter said that
the Edgewater pet owners requesting the City to not use the
Humane Society shelter because it was closed on the weekends".
On the very next page, they list their hours. The shelter is
open from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. The shelter has not been closed on
Saturday since the 1950's.
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Councilwoman Lichter stated she would address it at the proper
time. Every word is not translated unless you have it in
writing. When you talk to the press, 3/4ths of it gets across
but not all of it. Her comment was that is what her constituents
called her and told her. They could not find their animals over
a weekend. If they lost it on Friday, it was dead by Monday.
David Ross, 2803 Needle Palm Drive, reminded the Council eleven
months ago, one month after it was defeated last year, he came
before this Council and suggested and begged that they find and
investigate alternate ways to pay for these without raising
taxes. He has not seen one response to that request.
John Cordeiro, 1515 Pine Tree Drive, stated last month he made a
trip to this hometown in Massachusetts for his class reunion.
The City is 100 years old and are still using the same City Hall
and the same two fire stations. He feels maintenance needs to be
done when it needs to be done. He was in Councilman Brown's
bookstore last week and the man that ran the animal shelter for
fifteen years, was in there and he said this animal shelter is
going to cost a minimum of $200,000 a year to operate and asked
the Council if they have thought of that.
Councilwoman Lichter stated he called her and they all know
Norman. Mr. Cordeiro questioned how they are going to get the
$200,000 per year to run it. Councilwoman Lichter stated that is
for a different entity than ours. Mr. Cordeiro encouraged the
Council to think ahead of time before they do things which he
feels they never do. He feels Councilman Vincenzi is the only
one that represents the people that voted for him.
Mr. Cordeiro spoke about the trees that were cut down at Burger
King. Six beautiful oak trees were taken down between Burger
King and U.S.#l so visibility would be not blocked off one bit.
Those trees could have been trimmed and people still would have
been able to see. He checked with the Building Department and
found out there is a forty foot easement from the road to Burger
King. He went down and measure today and those trees were 31
feet from the road. Those trees weren't even on Burger King's
property. He asked Mayor Schmidt if he requested those trees be
cut down.
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Mayor Schmidt stated he is going to keep this professional.
There were five trees not six. There were three hurricanes that
came in and those trees took a beating. He spoke of the pavement
and curbing that was torn up where the tree was leaning. He had
two more in the front, one that fell and another one that was
leaning to the point they had to be cut down for safety. At no
time were those trees ever cut down for the sake of visibility.
Mayor Schmidt asked City Manager Hooper to read the section of
the Code that gave them the right for public safety to take those
trees down. It hurt him as much as it hurt anyone else to watch
those trees get cut down. Those trees will be replanted in the
Spring.
City Manager Hooper read the Section of the Land Development Code
under Exemptions for Permitting for Cutting Down Trees.
City Manager Hooper stated he and Chief Planner Darren Lear
looked at the trees and they were damaged by the storm. There
wasn't any issue about that. Mr. Cordeiro stated that wasn't
what he told him the last time he was here. He said he said they
could have been damaged but didn't say he looked at them two
weeks ago. He looked at forty trees around Burger King and not
one tree is damaged. How did six trees in front of Burger King
get damaged?
Pat Card, 3019 Willow Oak Drive, stated not everyone feels that
way. He feels Councilman Vincenzi does a good job. When Mayor
Schmidt was elected, he was concerned but he isn't anymore. He
feels he does a good job too. He complimented Councilwoman
Rhodes for listening to people. He appreciated the fact that
Councilwoman Lichter is willing to put up with the crap that
people throw at her. He spoke of Councilman Brown being the most
easily accessible of the Councilpeople who catches more as a
result. If people really want to stand up and be as
unprofessional, as they have seen some people be tonight, let
them run the next time and expose themselves to this kind of
criticism. He thanked the Council for their service.
5. CITY COUNCIL REPORTS
Mayor Schmidt stated it is time for him to appoint someone to the
WAV Board. With Council's permission, he asked to reappoint
Councilwoman Lichter to a full two-year term.
It was the consensus of Council to reappoint Councilwoman Lichter
to the WAV Board.
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Mayor Schmidt stated when he was voted in office five years ago
he knew he was opening himself up to one interesting little
flight in life. He knew he'd be attacked, he knew he'd be talked
about and lied about, but he cared about the City a whole lot
more than he cared about anyone that felt the need to attack his
family and his character. In five years, he is not ashamed of
one vote, one item, or one time he has represented this City.
For the next year and hopefully for the next four years after
that, he plans on doing the same thing. The comment was made if
you can do better, then you pick up papers and get ready to open
yourself up to every attack from people you thought were friends
and from people that don't know you from Adam but they know you
better than you. If you have the courage, the ability and the
time, by all means do it.
Councilman Brown thanked Mr. Card for his comments. By being as
accessible as he is to people, people know how to find him. He
constantly has people in there every day to talk to him about
City business. If he didn't think he was getting a fair idea of
what the general population was wanting, he would be upset. He
appreciates people coming in. He tries to vote by what people
tell him they want in our City. He enjoys it and he plans on
running again. Our City just turned 139 years old. It was
founded November 17th, 139 years ago.
Councilman Vincenzi asked Councilwoman Lichter if she would be
talking about her letter. Councilwoman Lichter stated probably
with a history lesson of some of the facts in it.
Councilwoman Rhodes stated in the Edgewater Shorelines is the
phone numbers of all the various City Departments and she feels
Council's phone numbers should also be included.
Councilwoman Rhodes feels Councilman Vincenzi is entitled to his
opinion. All of the Council has one vote just like everybody
else. The majority is going to rule. Councilman Vincenzi's
opinion is every bit as valid as anyone else. She disagrees with
his opinion but he is entitled to it.
Councilwoman Rhodes commented on a quote in the paper that she
said Councilman Vincenzi is using scare tactics. She never said
those words or implied it in every way. Just because the words
are there, doesn't mean it is the gospel. She makes mistakes
like everyone else does.
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Councilwoman Rhodes stated Mayor Schmidt had charged her and
Debby Sigler with coming up with a way to thank the City
employees for the great job they did during the hurricanes. They
would like to give every City employee a turkey for Thanksgiving
but they need money from the Council. She estimated the cost to
be approximately $3,000. It was the consensus of Council to do
this.
Councilwoman Rhodes stated the reason Mr. Cordeiro's city in
Massachusetts hasn't had a new City Hall is because of the "Big
Dig".
Councilman Vincenzi defended himself regarding the letter he
wrote. Instead of reaching 3,000 people it probably reached
12,000 or 15,000 people. He put the letter out because that is
how he feels about the things that are going on in this City.
These are his views. For people to be upset with him for putting
this letter out and paid for it out of his own pocket, he has
nothing to say to those people. He spoke of the mention being
made that there are lies or untruths in his letter. He will
defend any statement he has in there. There is one statement
that is speculation regarding homeowner's insurance going up.
Everything else he can back it up.
Councilwoman Lichter stated the truth of the matter is that in
general people have the right to say anything. Freedom of
speech. She spoke of as a Councilperson, they have different
situation then an ordinary situation. You have a fiduciary
responsibility when you are taking care of people's money to seek
out the truth. You can find the facts and then you can come to a
conclusion. Your facts must be true and accurate.
Councilwoman Lichter commented on how she got involved with the
Animal Shelter. She spoke of the City putting her on the Board
of the Humane Society. There are six women in this room today
who served as Board members. They are the ones who raised the
money. The City broke with the Humane Society. She spoke of an
instance in the City where some animals that were not being cared
for properly that the City put in the Humane Society should be
freed up and go back to the Humane Society for replacement.
Meanwhile everyone in the City had found homes for these forty
animals and they were put down that day. This is one reason it
was decided by the City to break communications as well as the
City contract which we had negotiated with them to hold animals
for five days, not three was not honored.
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Councilwoman Lichter commented on the money the City paid to the
Humane Society. She spoke of wanting an audit and not being able
to get it. She spoke of a non-profit group being formed to help
Edgewater before any thought of an animal shelter, in the
temporary facility they have on Park Avenue. She further
commented on what the money raised by the Pet Society was used
for as well as helping with the placement of animals. She then
spoke of the land donated by the City for an animal shelter. She
further commented on the fund raisers done by the Pet Society.
City Manager Hooper figured out the animal facility would cost
approximately $500,000. It was decided this would be put on the
ballot.
Councilwoman Lichter spoke of a letter that went out in Florida
Shores that went unsigned, unqualified, and without all of the
rules and regulations to it.
Councilwoman Lichter commented on it may not be the Pet Society
that runs the animal facility. She commented on a falsehood in
Councilman Vincenzi's letter and clarified that three contacts
were made with the Humane Society.
Councilwoman Lichter spoke about too many animals being taken to
the Humane Society and this being the reason so many are put
down. Six entities are being taken there.
Councilwoman Lichter commented on how they came up with a price
of $6 per year to build the shelter.
Councilwoman Lichter spoke of PAW PAC being created and the
animal control officers being able to be housed in the shelter
building. She spoke of ways to raise money to run the facility.
Councilwoman Lichter informed Councilman Vincenzi there are a few
misconceptions in his letter and he has a responsibility to get
to the truth and then make his decision.
There was a ten-minute recess at this time.
6. PUBLIC HEARINGS, ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS
A. 2nd Reading, Ord. No. 2004-0-34, Miranda Fitzgerald,
agent for Oak Hill Land, LLC; Edgewater Partners, LLC;
the Southeast Volusia Hospital District and Dixie
Highway, LLC; requesting annexation of 68.79~ acres of
property located west of USl and north of 4115 S. USl
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The applicant requested this item be continued until December 6,
2004.
Councilwoman Rhodes moved to continue this item until December 6,
2004, second by Councilwoman Lichter.
The MOTION CARRIED 5-0.
B. 2nd Reading, Ord. No. 2004-0-37, Halstead Resources,
Inc., agent for Nohra Hohn and Thomas and Patricia
Sokol, requesting annexation of 2.3~ acres of property
located at 2203 S. Ridgewood Avenue
Paralegal Matusick read Ord. 2004-0-37 into the record.
City Manager Hooper made a staff presentation.
Due to there being no comments, Mayor Schmidt opened and closed
the public hearing.
Councilwoman Lichter moved to approve Ord. 2004-0-37, Halstead
Resources, Inc., acren t for Nohra Hohn and Thomas and Pa tricia
Sokol, reauestincr annexation of 2.3+ acres of property located at
2203 S. Ridcrewood Avenue, second by Councilman Brown.
The MOTION CARRIED 5-0.
C. 1st Reading, Ord. No. 2004-0-39, amending Chapter 21
(Land Development Code) by modifying Article XVII
(Development/Impact Fees) for consistency and enacting
Section 21-323 (Transportation/Road Impact Fees)
Paralegal Matusick read Ord. 2004-0-39 into the record.
City Manager Hooper made a staff presentation. A letter has been
distributed from the Volusia Home Builders Association. The
letter has been turned over to our City Attorney and to the
consultant. They will have further information at the second
reading of this ordinance.
Councilwoman Lichter questioned impact fees being directed to new
development. City Manager Hooper informed her new construction.
She thought a previous speaker may have thought that all new
buyers were going to have certain impact fees and that isn't so.
Mayor Schmidt opened the public hearing.
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Susan Darden, Vol usia Home Builders Association, stated they had
concerns and appreciated the fact that they got noticed. They
turned it over to their attorney because they believed it was
rather high. She stated federal and state highways should not be
included in the fee calculations. They also feel the County
roads should be removed from the fee calculations as well as
Riverside Drive because you can't expand it as a constraint road.
She further spoke of City roads not being built to Federal, State
or County standards. She asked that the City come up with a
better and closer to reality figure on what it costs to put a
road in to City standards and you calculate and come up with that
fee. She is guessing it to be between $500 and $650. When their
attorney saw $1,300 his eyebrows went up. This is double
taxation. She asked the Council consider turning it over the
consultant asking them to redo this using real numbers.
City Manager Hooper explained the discussion is where the money
is spent and how the fee is calculated. You have County impact
fees that are administered by the County and used for County
Roads. We have used those same costs when we widen Roberts Road
to a four-lane road it is going to cost the same as a County
Road. Those are valid kinds of costs. Sue has the list that was
in our previous Comp Plan of road improvements and those do not
have the impact fee list of roads to them because they haven't
been created yet. At this point they are describing an impact
fee and what it is going to be used for. He feels the cost for
widening roads is appropriate. Our standards are the same as
County standards.
City Manager Hooper agreed to look at this. If the Council would
like to meet and go over some of that with the City Attorney,
staff would be interested in doing that before the second
reading.
Councilwoman Lichter asked if they are advising they vote yea on
this first reading and hold off on the second until he has a
meeting where they may make some adjustments. City Manager
Hooper stated they are going to meet with them as soon as they
can meet with us, before the second reading.
Ms. Darden stated the road improvements that were sent to her by
Chief Planner Darren Lear that came out of the Comp Plan there
are two State roads and three County roads along with local
roads. Both the County roads are accounted for in the County
impact fee. City Manager Hooper agreed.
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Councilman Vincenzi felt Ms. Darden had some good points. If it
is going to cause problems, he has no problem holding off on the
first reading until they get any questions satisfied.
City Manager Hooper informed Council they aren't voting on a
number, they are just setting the process.
Pat Card, 3019 Willow Oak Drive, wondered what kind of
limitations there are on this. He thought they had the
opportunity to set within reasonable bounds impact fees as they
saw fit. City Manager Hooper stated there is a math formula you
have to go through. There are two or three different scenarios.
Mayor Schmidt closed the public hearing.
Councilwoman Lichter moved to approve Ord. 2004-0-39 on first
readina, amendina Chapter 21 (Land Development Code) by modifyina
Article XVII (Development/Impact Fees) for consistency and
enactina Section 21-323 (Transportation/Road Impact Fees), second
by Councilwoman Rhodes.
The MOTION CARRIED 5-0.
D. 1st Reading, Ord. No. 2004-0-40, Ernestina D. Kayat
requesting annexation of 37.26~ acres of land located
west of 4100 S. US1 and west of Relocation Road
Paralegal Matusick read Ord. 2004-0-40 into the record.
City Manager Hooper and Chief Planner Lear made a staff
presentation. City Manager Hooper further explained there are
several first readings tonight, D through J and they are all
first reading of a series of annexations that are all coming into
the City. At a later date, they will see a Comp Plan amendment,
a zoning, and a development agreement.
Chief Planner described what is occurring with each property.
City Manager Hooper further commented on their goal to annex
property down to Ariel Road. There have been several joint
discussions with Oak Hill, some good, some not so good. He met
with the County a couple of weeks ago and went through this
layout to make sure it did not create an enclave. The County had
no objections to this annexation and this pattern. They must be
done in the right order because they are all connected. That
contiguity from the north to the south has got to occur.
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City Manager Hooper further explained if one stops, then the
whole process slows down until all of these come in at one time.
These are all voluntary annexations and are all looking at a
different development pattern.
Due to there being no comments, Mayor Schmidt opened and closed
the public hearing.
Councilwoman Rhodes moved to approve Ord. 2004-0-40, Ernestina D.
Kayat reauestina annexation of 37.26+ acres of land located west
of 4100 S. USl and west of Relocation Road, second by
Councilwoman Lichter.
The MOTION CARRIED 5-0.
E. 1st Reading, Ord. No. 2004-0-41, Trajan Joe Sfera,
Persa Sfera, Jon Sfera and Selvie Sfera requesting
annexation of 12.01~ acres of land located west of US 1
and south of Relocation Road
Paralegal Matusick read Ord. 2004-0-41 into the record.
City Manager Hooper made a staff presentation.
Due to there being no comments, Mayor Schmidt opened and closed
the public hearing.
Councilman Brown moved to approve Ord. 2004-0-41, Traian Joe
Sfera, Persa Sfera, Jon Sfera and Selvie Sfera reauestina
annexation of 12.01+ acres of land located west of US 1 and south
of Relocation Road, second by Councilwoman Lichter.
The MOTION CARRIED 5-0.
F. pt Reading, Ord. No. 2004-0-42, Glenn Storch,
authorized agent for John and Patricia Hickey,
requesting annexation of 28~ acres of land located west
of US1 and north of Clinton Cemetery Road
G. pt Reading, Ord. No. 2004-0-43, Glenn Storch,
authorized agent for John and Patricia Hickey,
requesting annexation of 2.14~ acres of land located at
199 Clinton Cemetery Road
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H. 1st Reading, Ord. No. 2004-0-44, Glenn Storch,
authorized agent for John and Patricia Hickey,
requesting annexation of 4.70~ acres of land located
west of US1 and north of Clinton Cemetery Road
Paralegal Matusick read Ord. 2004-0-42, 2004-0-43 and 2004-0-44
into the record.
City Manager Hooper made a staff presentation.
Glenn Storch, Storch & Morris, made a brief presentation on
behalf of John and Patricia Hickey.
Due to there being no comments, Mayor Schmidt opened and closed
the public hearing.
Councilwoman Lichter moved to approve Ord. 2004-0-42, Glenn
Storch, authorized aaent for John and Patricia Hickey, reauestina
annexation of 28+ acres of land located west of US1 and north of
Clinton Cemetery Road, second by Councilwoman Rhodes.
The MOTION CARRIED 5-0.
Councilman Brown moved to approve Ord. 2004-0-43, Glenn Storch,
authorized aaent for John and Patricia Hickey, reauestina
annexation of 2.14+ acres of land located at 199 Clinton Cemetery
Road, second by Councilwoman Rhodes.
The MOTION CARRIED 5-0.
Councilwoman Lichter moved to approve Ord. 2004-0-44, Glenn
Storch, authorized aaent for John and Patricia Hickey, reauestina
annexation of 4.70+ acres of land located west of US1 and north
of Clinton Cemetery Road, second by Councilman Brown.
The MOTION CARRIED 5-0.
I. 1st Reading, Ord. No. 2004-0-45, Daniel and Christine
Herman requesting annexation of 3.65~ acres of land
located west of US1 and south of Clinton Cemetery Road
Paralegal Matusick read Ord. 2004-0-45 into the record.
City Manager Hooper made a staff presentation.
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Due to there being no comments, Mayor Schmidt opened and closed
the public hearing.
Councilman Brown moved to approve Ord. 2004-0-45, Daniel and
Christine Herman recroestincr annexa tion of 3. 65+ acres of land
located west of US! and south of Clinton Cemetery Road, second bv
Councilwoman Lichter.
The MOTION CARRIED 5-0.
J. 1st Reading, Ord. No. 2004-0-46, Glenn Storch,
authorized agent for Belmont Homes, requesting
annexation of 74~ acres of land located west of USl and
south of Clinton Cemetery Road
Paralegal Matusick read Ord. 2004-0-46 into the record.
City Manager Hooper made a staff presentation.
Due to there being no comments, Mayor Schmidt opened and closed
the public hearing.
Councilwoman Lichter moved to approve Ord. 2004-0-46, Glenn
Storch, authorized acrent for Belmont Homes, recroestincr annexation
of 74+ acres of land located west of US! and south of Clinton
Cemetery Road, second bv Councilwoman Rhodes.
The MOTION CARRIED 5-0.
7 . BOARD APPOINTMENTS
There were no Board Appointments at this time.
8. CONSENT AGENDA
A. Law Enforcement Block Grant - staff recommending to
accept a $6,847 Local Law Enforcement Block Grant and
authorize a match of $1,153 from the Local Law
Enforcement Trust Fund to purchase various items
Councilwoman Rhodes moved to approve the Consent Acrenad, second
bv Councilman Brown.
The MOTION CARRIED 5-0.
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9. OTHER BUSINESS
A. Engineering Services - staff recommending approval of
the engineering proposal from Quentin L. Hampton
Associates, Inc. for engineering and construction
phases for the Alan R. Thomas WTP Sludge Handling
Facilities and Sodium Hyprochlorite Disinfection
Conversion for the sum of $72,600, and authorize City
Manager to execute the work order
City Manager Hooper made a staff presentation.
Councilwoman Lichter moved to approve the enaineerina proposal
from Quentin L. Hampton Associates, Inc. For enaineerina and
construction phases for the Alan R. Thomas WTP Sludae Handlina
Facilities and Sodium Hyprochlorite Disinfection Conversion for
the sum of $72,600, and authorize City Manaaer to execute the
work order, second by Councilwoman Rhodes.
The MOTION CARRIED 5-0.
B. Terra Mar Village utility System Improvements - staff
recommending approval of Change Order No.2 for
$9,460.00 to McMahan Construction, and authorize the
City Manager to execute the closeout documents
City Manager Hooper made a staff presentation.
Councilwoman Lichter moved to approve Chanae Order No. 2 for
$9,460.00 to McMahan Construction, and authorize the City Manaaer
to execute the closeout documents, second by Councilman Brown.
The MOTION CARRIED 5-0.
10. OFFICER REPORTS
A. City Clerk Wadsworth
City Clerk Wadsworth reminded everyone to vote.
City Clerk Wadsworth also encouraged people to fill out the
survey form for the Land Development Code survey.
B. Paralegal Matusick had nothing at this time.
C. City Manager Hooper had nothing at this time.
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11. CITIZEN COMMENTS/CORRESPONDENCE
There were no Citizen Comments/Correspondence at this time.
A. Tentative Agenda Items
There were no Tentative Agenda Items to be discussed at this
time.
12 . ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business to discuss, Councilwoman Rhodes
moved to adjourn. The meeting adjourned at 9:02 p.m.
Minutes submitted by:
Lisa Bloomer
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