09-26-2005 - Special Budget
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CITY COUNCIL OF EDGEWATER
SPECIAL MEETING
SEPTEMBER 26, 2005
7:00 P.M.
COMMUNITY CENTER
MINUTES
CALL TO ORDER
Mayor Schmidt called the Special Meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. in
the Community Center.
ROLL CALL
Mayor Donald Schmidt
Councilman James Brown
Councilman Dennis Vincenzi
Councilwoman Harriet Rhodes
Councilwoman Judith Lichter
City Manager Kenneth Hooper
City Clerk Susan Wadsworth
Paralegal Robin Matusick
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INVOCATION, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
There was a silent invocation and pledge of allegiance to the
Flag.
MEETING PURPOSE
The purpose of the meeting was to hold public hearings (2nd
Readings) on Ord. 2005-0-47, adopting final millage rate of 6.45
mills per $1,000 of assessed taxable value and Ord. 2005-0-48,
adopting final budget for fiscal year 2005/2006.
Paralegal Matusick read Ord. 2005-0-47 and Ord. 2005-0-48 into
the record.
City Manager Hooper made a staff presentation. He went over the
budget at 6.45 mills and 6.20 mills. The reduction of this
quarter mill is a total of $190,414.65. He commented on hearing
from the auditors in the past that we had a low amount in our
reserves. He explained it looks like $1.1 million will be in the
reserves. We are supposed to have 15% as a minimum and that
number is about $1.5 million.
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City Manager Hooper further stated we are slightly under but he
feels this is a major recovery from last year and going through
the storms. That was done by a stopping of expenditures and we
went into a very slow hiring mode. Only emergency or necessary
procedures did we go through. That enabled them to build the
reserves from $200,000 to $1.1 million. The issue is down to
FEMA. Our expenditures is about $5 million. To date we have
been reimbursed $2.1 million from FEMA. There is about $1.4
million that he would call committed. They know that dollar
amount has been allocated. He spoke of Crowder Gulf picking up
most of our debris. They wound up with a tab of about $4
million. We have paid them a portion but we still owe them $1.4
million. They are estimating we will have about $1.5 million in
reserves with this budget that they proposed.
City Manager Hooper further commented on the 1/4 mill reduction.
He feels it shouldn't happen but if they choose to make it occur
it has to come out of one of these three areas. As a fiduciary
responsibility he can tell them they can take it out and still
have a balanced budget. Reduce the fund balance, which is the
reserves, by $190,000. They will be almost $200,000 lower at
$1.3 million. Resurfacing, they have reduced a little already.
They could take $190,000 out of resurfacing which would leave
them with about $109,600. The other option is to freeze some
hiring and not fill any vacant positions until they match the
$190,000. This is a bare bones budget and has been whittled back
5% in each department. He further commented on this being a
recovery budget. He suggested one more year at the current
millage rate of 6.45 with every effort to look at, reduce, even
increase the savings to enable them to have some money as they go
into the budget next year.
City Manager Hooper further commented on knowing the Council
wants to reduce the budget but he is also aware they have
projects they want done as well as projects the public wants
done. They can't continue to expand services and still do even a
portion of roll back. He commented on how well Economic
Development is working and having over a 20% increase in revenues
from a variety of sources. He spoke of things coming in and
taking time to get on the tax roll. He spoke of development
other than residential that is starting to occur. He feels we
are in a situation where it is not a smart move at this point to
do a reduction.
City Manager Hooper explained there are no changes to the budget
and the figures are the same as have been described in the past.
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Councilman Vincenzi commented on saving $190,000 from freezing
hiring and asked where City Manager Hooper anticipates these
positions would come from. City Manager Hooper informed him the
first would be from the Police Department. There is a sergeant
that is retiring October 6th. There is Environmental Services
and some other retirements that are around the corner. He spoke
of this being general fund employees only.
Councilwoman Lichter asked if there is a chance that FEMA's money
may not come in. City Manager Hooper feels there is a fairly
strong chance they may not get it all. He feels the more money
FEMA owes out, the more difficult they will make it for everybody
to get to the level they promised.
Councilman Brown asked about resurfacing. He doesn't feel
reducing resurfacing is the right thing to do. He can't see
reducing the fund. We went through three hurricanes and it is
possible we might go through more. If you take that money out it
is taking it away from the potential of protecting the people and
he can't see doing this.
Councilwoman Rhodes stated our Charter won't let us. This is not
an option. It says we are supposed to have a certain amount and
that is what we are supposed to have. City Manager Hooper
agreed. He spoke of this being an issue again with the audit in
January or February.
Councilwoman Lichter asked if other cities have the requirement
of a definite amount defined in the Charter. City Manager Hooper
explained it was included in the Charter in 1999 because the
reserves had gotten very large. They went through and budgeted a
fire station and the YMCA out of excess revenues. He has never
seen it in another municipal Charter but he has seen it in County
Charters.
Mayor Schmidt opened the public hearing.
The following citizens spoke:
Andv Anderson, Pine Tree Drive, commented on an article he saw in
today's paper regarding the notice of proposed tax increase. He
sees the actual property tax level is $4,283,690. The proposed
tax for this year will be $5,171,261. That is almost a 25%
increase in one year. Finance Director Jon Williams elaborated
on Mr. Anderson's concerns. City Manager Hooper stated the
actual number is 14.69 over roll back.
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City Manager Hooper explained they advertise the full amount that
is by way of millage but you are only allowed by Statute to
appropriate 95% of that.
Mr. Anderson stated you have a lot of retirees in this town and
he feels they need to do something about that. This is almost
25%. That is a sizeable increase for one year. City Manager
Hooper stated if you live in your household and haven't bought
and sold, 3% max is all that occurs with homestead exemption. He
also commented on the additional exemption for seniors.
Mr. Anderson asked about federal grants and if we are getting
some money from the feds. Councilwoman Rhodes and Councilwoman
Lichter commented on grants we have. Mr. Anderson feels whatever
they do they need to be careful. He thinks the Animal Shelter
was a no-brainer. It is half a million bucks and someone will be
hired for $50,000 a year. He feels the Animal Shelter on Glencoe
Road was cheaper than the way we are going.
Councilman Brown stated we aren't increasing the tax rate. We
have more people paying the same amount of money and that is an
increase in tax revenue, not an increase in the taxes. We are
still at 6.45 mills which does not increase the taxes.
Art Morgan, Yule Tree Drive, stated if your homeowners insurance
went up this year 55%, your auto insurance went up 25% and your
medical went up 17% and you are on a fixed income, what do you
do, eat dog food?
Anthony Rivera, 3026 Queen Palm Drive, stated he finds it amazing
that the City finds the three most controversial issues to come
up with $190,000. He feels they should find the $190,000 some
place else.
Debra Roqers, 510 S. Riverside Drive, asked if today is the day
the City of Edgewater is supposed to establish the rate by law.
Councilwoman Rhodes stated it is before the 30th of this month.
Ms. Rogers stated it is almost too late to go back and forth over
this budget.
Ms. Rogers asked how many meetings the Council has prior to the
7:00 p.m. Council Meeting to discuss the budget.
Councilwoman Lichter stated three workshops. Ms. Rogers feels
three workshops at an hour and a half a piece is not enough time
to go over this City's budget. Councilwoman Rhodes informed her
they get the budget before they go to the workshops.
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Councilwoman Lichter stated they meet with City Manager Hooper or
any department head individually on certain items. Councilwoman
Rhodes stated if they feel they need more time they can have more
workshops. Ms. Rogers stated she looked at the budget and feels
they don't have the detail but lump numbers. She feels they have
aggregate numbers. Councilwoman Rhodes informed her she is wrong
and they got a detailed budget. Ms. Rogers informed her they
don't have a detailed breakdown. Ms. Rogers asked Councilwoman
Rhodes if they have the general ledger which breaks down what
goes into the funds. Ms. Rogers feels perhaps this needs to be
looked at more detailed.
Ms. Rogers stated since the auditors have been hired again for
another three years, perhaps they can have a different format and
give the Council more detail.
Mayor Schmidt stated this budget has been a year in the making.
The workshops are the culmination of the year. After October 1,
they are working on next year's budget.
DOm2nic Capri a , 606 Topside Circle, stated he didn't agree with
Councilman Brown when he said there wasn't a tax increase. The
6.45 mills is an increase in taxes. Mr. Capria agreed with Mr.
Rivera reduce resurfacing and freezing hiring would bring the
budget down to 5.9 or 5.95. Councilman Vincenzi stated that
would bring it down to 6.2. City Manager Hooper stated he is
talking about reducing both.
Mr. Capria stated garbage by addition of another route and
another new truck, where is that route going to be?
Councilwoman Rhodes stated you can reduce the garbage but that
has no effect on the general fund budget. That is an enterprise
fund that is funded through user fees. City Manager Hooper
explained that has nothing to do with the tax structure. It
would have to do with the rates citizens pay for garbage pickup.
Mr. Capria then commented on the shuffleboard courts. He
commented on the FEMA number going down. Originally, the
shuffleboard courts were a $500,000 figure as far as money from
FEMA. He commented on it being down to 80% reimbursement. How
much are we getting specifically for the shuffleboard courts?
City Manager Hooper stated we are getting somewhere around
$300,000. There is also some insurance money in it. It is about
$500,000 to replace. There is about $150,000 the City will put
up.
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Mr. Capria then commented on the costs being combined being
$337,000. City Manager Hooper commented on the site work and the
cost to have it designed, with a figure of $500,000 when you do
the whole project.
City Manager Hooper agreed to further speak to Mr. Capria.
Mr. Capri a stated with the figures before we were making money.
Tonight's figures we are using a little bit and according to City
Manager Hooper's statements we are better than breaking even so
why is that in the budget for that amount of money. City Manager
Hooper stated any appropriation, FEMA gives us money or the
insurance gives us money, comes in as revenue and to appropriate
it he needs to appropriate the expenditures so those two numbers
balance. He further spoke of the money from the City's general
fund appropriated to make up the difference.
Councilwoman Lichter stated it is too bad they couldn't go in
with New Smyrna on something but FEMA said no. They weren't
going to give us anything if we went in with another city.\
Mr. Capria commented on the union contract and the employee
raises at 5.5%. He asked if last year was negotiated for this
year. City Manager Hooper informed him yes. Mr. Capri a then
asked how many employees are in the union contract. Councilwoman
Rhodes stated there are different unions for different employees.
City Manager Hooper informed Mr. Capria the City has about 200
employees. Covered under the union contract would be 140 of
those employees. Those not in are upper management, the Fire
Department and the Supervisory Group. Mr. Capria asked how many
are non-union. City Manager Hooper informed him 60. Mr. Capria
then asked about the sixty employees not in the union getting
more money. City Manager Hooper informed him they are all
getting the same percentage of pay raise. Mr. Capria suggested
the higher salary employees taking a little less to help the City
out.
Chris Balmer, 148 William Street, stated if this Council has to
start digging through actual general ledger accounts we are in
trouble and that means we have a problem with our management
team. He doesn't think that is the case. He is glad they don't
spend hours justifying prices. He doesn't feel that would be a
good use of anyone's time. He would like to see this reduction
and would like to see if they could hold off on the shuffleboard
courts for one year and take those dollars from there. He asked
if timing wise that could be held off for a year.
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Councilman Vincenzi asked how long it will be until we get the
money. City Manager Hooper stated a majority of that money for
this we have in hand. The insurance has paid us. We have
initiated the design. We have met with the shuffleboard court on
multiple occasions. Their schedule is to complete the design in
90 days and start construction in about a six month period and
they are looking twelve months from now to have the courts ready
to play. Part of our issue with FEMA and the insurance is the
money has to be expended in the following fiscal year which means
we got it last year and have to spend it this year. If you don't
you would forfeit some of it.
Georqe Austin, Orange Tree Drive, stated he is a federal retired
employee living on a fixed income. He is proud to live here in
Edgewater. He thinks everything is very reasonable. You all are
elected officials and he is proud of what they are doing.
Bickering and arguing should have happened before this meeting.
A very drastic thing happened on September 18th at 9:15 a.m. Two
stray dogs came into this yard and mauled his cat. He has had
her for twelve years and she was very much a part of his family.
He immediately began to call the veterinary clinics in the area
and no one was available. They all had a recording to take her
by the jail on 92. He feels they need to address that their
needs to be a vet on call. If it was on a rotation it would
happen every three months or so. The only thing he was seeking
was that his cat could be put to sleep so she would not suffer.
That was at 9:15 a.m and at 3 p.m. she expired. He was very
upset with the City. He again stated we need to have a vet on
call in the area whether it is New Smyrna, Edgewater or Oak Hill.
Fred Pelletier, 1801 Kumquat Drive, representing the Shuffleboard
Club, stated they have met successfully with City Manager Hooper
and he feels this group has done a good job. They lost the
courts that were across the street. It was a good part of their
shuffleboard association. He is the tournament director for the
northern district and they all come to Edgewater several times a
year to play in tournaments. They also have an inter-city
competition they play every week all winter long. He spoke of
this being a sport you can still afford to play on a fixed
income. He thanked the Council for their diligence and going
forward.
Mayor Schmidt closed the public hearing.
Councilman Brown stated he was wrong. They did have a tax
increase but only because the property appraiser increased the
value of property. The most it could be is 3%.
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Councilman Brown stated he had a document that explains exactly
what is going on with roll back and it explains it where you can
understand it well.
Mr. Capri a stated he has read it time and time again.
Councilman Vincenzi stated he doesn't like increasing taxes or
keeping the tax rate the same. He believes that there is such a
thing as financially responsible decision making and he thinks
this year with the problems that Edgewater has had and the things
that need to be done, such as building the reserve money, he
thinks he is going to vote to keep it the way it is and not argue
too much. Next year he will be harping on City Manager Hooper
for other ways to cut cost. For right now it is too late to
start a process like that.
Councilwoman Rhodes stated in 1998 our millage rate was 6.44.
Right now we are looking at 6.45 which is one-one hundredth of a
millage point higher. She can't run her house now for what she
ran it eight years ago and we can't run this City if they cut
taxes. We would have to cut services and we have the best
services of any City, bar none. She feels they don't have an
option on the reserve fund, that is in their Charter, that was
voted on by the citizens of this City. We are sworn to abide by
that Charter. She feels they have done a good job of taking care
of this City without raising a millage rate. She would have to
vote to keep it the same, as much as she doesn't want to.
Councilwoman Lichter stated she is the senior member of this
group and is on a fixed income. It's not just seniors that are
on fixed income. Everyone in the community is thinking where
they can save money to pay for something else that is increasing.
She feels the City Manager and Department Heads have done an
excellent job. The taxes have not gone up because of Edgewater.
The property value has gone up.
Councilwoman Lichter commented on the things in the City that did
not exist when she came here fifteen years ago such as the
beautified medians and the YMCA. Edgewater was living so close
to their chest in terms of money that they have reaped the
negativism of all that to make this a City that goes into the
21st Century. From the new growth and new development money is
going to come in and is coming in now. You can't attract
attractive industry without looking good. She stated it is not
just the seniors that are hurting. She is voting for this budget
because there is no choice. She spoke of this budget being as
tight as it can be.
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Councilwoman Lichter further spoke of hurricane season not being
over and the Council being compelled to put money into a fund for
troubled waters. She is in good faith and good conscience voting
for this. She spoke of when Florida Shores wasn't paved and
didn't have sewers. Sometimes going the cheapest way isn't
always the best way.
Mayor Schmidt stated on September 23, 2005 when the books close
if we have anywhere near $1.1 million in the reserves, his hats
would go off to every department head and City Manager Hooper for
a job that probably was almost impossible to do after what we
went through. At the last meeting he made the statement what
would it be if they went to 6.2 mills. Listening to his four
fellow councilpeople, if he was a betting man he would say 6.45
is going to happen. He feels all of the citizens that spoke had
legitimate points. This City is a business that we need to run
like a business. We have obligations we need to do. Being in
business also for twenty-some years, he knows there are things
you have to do and things you can do. He is not going to support
a rate of 6.45 but he understands it and he has the utmost
confidence that this budget is where it needs to be and where it
can be. He made a promise three years ago and he still believes
he wants to see part of it chipped away.
Counci~woman Lichter moved to approve Ord. 2005-0-47, adopting
fina~ mi~~age rate of 6.45 mi~~s per $1,000 of assessed taxab~e
va~ue, second by Counci~n Vincenzi.
The MOTION CARRIED 4-1. Mavor Schmidt voted NO.
Counci~n Brown moved to approve Ord. 2005-0-48, adoptinq fina~
budqet for fisca~ year 2005/2006, second by Counci~woman Lichter.
The MOTION CARRIED 5-0.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business to discuss, Mayor Schmidt
recessed the meeting with the Regular Meeting to follow. The
meeting was recessed at 7:50 p.m.
Minutes submitted by:
Lisa Bloomer
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