07-13-2005 - Budget Workshop
CITY COUNCIL OF EDGEWATER
WORKSHOP
JULY 13, 2005
5:00 P.M.
COMMUNITY CENTER
MINUTES
CALL TO ORDER
Mayor Schmidt called the Workshop to order at 5:00 p.m. in
the Community Center.
ROLL CALL
Mayor Donald Schmidt
Councilman James Brown
Councilman Dennis Vincenzi
Councilwoman Harriet Rhodes
Councilwoman Judith Lichter
City Manager Kenneth Hooper
City Clerk Susan Wadsworth
Legal Assistant Robin Matusick
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INVOCATION, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
There was a silent invocation and pledge of allegiance to
the Flag.
MEETING PURPOSE
The purpose of the Workshop was to discuss the FY 2005/2006
Enterprise Funds and General Fund.
City Manager Hooper commented on the City switching from
our old software to new software about a month ago. They
sent out bills a month ago and they didn't do cut offs last
month because they were new and they some people get them a
little later on time. This month was the first cycle,
which they did enact cut offs for non-payment. Our normal
numbers are about 180 and he thought this time they were at
313 so it jumped up a couple of reasons. First nobody got
cut off last month. He thought people in their state of
mind were saying huh they don't care so nobody paid. They
had some of that. The other was it was a new bill. They
had to turn over to the back of the bill and the back of
the bill has terms and conditions that clearly state that
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they have 35 days to pay the bill. Yesterday, they had a
major mess going on next door in which the citizens came in
and were somewhat irritated because they didn't get a
second notice. We never send a second notice. We have
never sent a second notice. That's not part of how they
have done it in the past. He and Finance Director Jon
Williams looked at them. He didn't see any kinds of issues
as far as errors there. The due amount was clear so he
thought they just had a larger number. Part of it is
what's going on with the new software program. He also
commented on the radio control read with the meters. The
new meters are much more accurate so bills are going up a
little bit, which is exactly what was told. They had old
meters. They were going to put in new meters and they were
going to be very accurate. That's how the performance-
based contract was going to work so they are getting some
complaints. They are doing quite a bit of checking of
meters. People that say they can't possibly be using that,
they are going out and doing more rereads and more testing
so all that's being looked at. He can tell them to date he
hasn't found any issues. He found old meters, some old
plastic ones that didn't work and some other kinds of old
ones that read slow. They have some people that have had
the same meter reading for five years, where it has just
been in essence stuck. It reads the same thing. Some of
that's occurring but they are looking into it. If somebody
comes in and shows a problem, they are doing everything
they can to work with them. They are not waiving fees but
they are giving payment schedules and working the best they
can with people to get them through this time period.
Councilwoman Lichter stated she is on that same second
cycle and yes there was a problem with the amount of money.
These people have waited until the end of the second cycle
or their time limit but she feels they have to have some
compassion. She doesn't mean a break in the price if it is
right but a little leeway in the timing until they get
going properly. Some people don't realize exactly which
date it comes in. He didn't know if they needed extra help
in the front at this moment because Finance Director
Williams is having to be there so much.
City Manager Hooper informed her the cutoff day occurred
yesterday. After that the next cutoff event. He thinks
with the pres coverage they have a newspaper story today
and they have a tv story tonight. He thinks those will be
clear that they went out and looked at some bills and they
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have a couple of individuals, one lady in particular that
swears she paid her bill but they looked at it and the
press said she paid it after the cutoff date. They will
see some of that. It is typical and not unusual. He spoke
of the other utilities also allowing a certain amount of
days to pay it and if you don't something bad happens.
Either you get a penalty, interest goes up or they cut you
off.
Councilman Vincenzi asked how many meters had been replaced
so far. City Manager Hooper informed him there were
probably a third of them. He has been told about 3,500 and
we have about 10,000 meters. Environmental Services
Director Terry Wadsworth confirmed it was 4,524 but that
included some reclaimed as of four o'clock today.
City Manager Hooper commented on the reclaimed and water
meters being replaced at the same time.
Councilman Vincenzi asked if the meters were because they
replaced the meters. The people that are reporting the
higher usage and if that was because of the new meter.
City Manager Hooper informed him there would be a portion
of that. He further commented on some of the other things
that are occurring.
Mayor Schmidt confirmed that when they are getting
complaints they are going out to double check a meter.
City Manager Hooper commented on the City checking as well
as Johnson Controls.
City Manager Hooper explained his whole purpose of tonight
was to introduce them to the budget. He wanted to take
them through it, talk about it but that it was more of a
summary format. They have all the details that they want.
If they wanted to talk to each individual department and
spend time on those they could. He was going to summarize
at the beginning. The whole goal tonight was to introduce
the budget, convince them they need to advertise for
millage on the 18th of July. It's on their agenda coming
up. Set a maximum millage and once that maximum is set,
they will do the same thing they did last year. They set a
higher number and rolled it back some last year. This year
the task is once they advertise they are going to be
pushing on staff to fine tune this budget. The Council
will tell him Monday night about the bank or not about the
bank. The bank is not in this budget at this time so.
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They have to be able to set the millage Monday night. He
has it on the agenda as our current millage rate of 6.45.
They have the ability to lower it but they can't raise it
from that point. During the month of August, City Manager
Hooper, Finance Director Williams and the departments will
fine tune this. They will have better revenue projections.
They will have some more FEMA numbers and they will hold
their two public hearings in September. If they want they
can have another work session in August if there is enough
information to tell them that there is something that is
new and worthwhile doing.
City Manager Hooper informed Council he was going to talk
first about FEMA. That's a big component of what they have
in front of them. What Finance Director Williams has done
is broken down into categories that FEMA makes them put all
of the cost. On the screen was a summary of all three
storms and it says they spent $5.8 million in debris and
emergency pick up, emergency type of retrofit, any of the
types of things that would be eligible through FEMA. They
spent $5.8 million. To date they have given us $2,035,000
so that's slightly two fifths of what is owed to us. To be
reimbursed is another $3.2 million. They felt pretty
confident that that is there. The project forms that are
described to them show what is expected to be reimbursed.
There is going to be an appeal process because they have
taken some streets, like Riverside Drive and called it a
County Street that is just a plain error so those will
result in some appeals. But he thinks those are very
logical and fairly easy to convince. They have other
fairly small issues, big dollars but small to explain where
and why they did what they did. That's not unusual. Every
city in the County as well as the County is going through
this. We have an insurance claim of about $275,000. This
is the shuffleboard courts and the building across the
street. That revenue in so assuming everything comes in
and that's a big if, on the $3.2 million that they owe us.
The other part, they have the $2,275,000. The City could
be at its minimum amount out of pocket is $275,000. That's
a nice number when they look at what it has taken to go
through the three storms. $5.8 million, most of that they
entered into a contract with Crowder Gulf and some other
debris haulers so most of that's debris. Some of it is
manpower. Things that were done to clean roads, clean out
drainage and do other functions but they have learned as
well as everybody else how they maximize that. They
contract and don't use their own staff to do any of that
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work because it's not reimbursable. The importance of that
is this budget is going to have a cash carry forward
number. Some of this has already been paid. Some of this
they are going to get reimbursed so as that number grows
and materializes between now and September, there will be
dollars that once they get it in hand, they can carry it
forward into next year, which will help offset some of
those costs. He can't sit there with a straight face and
tell them how much that's going to be until they know
really what FEMA pays. All he could tell them was they are
out of pocket $265,000 which is the minimum amount. If
they pay everything on there they are going to have a cash
carry forward and it is their intent to dump it in
reserves. We have been through year after year the
reserves should be higher. We try and last year they spent
all the reserves down to zero practically on the storm
events.
Councilman Vincenzi asked where the money came from that
they had to payout? City Manager Hooper informed him
mostly out of the reserves or out of the current budget,
which means the reserves. They had a series of dollars
budgeted in every department and they paid their people,
the people have all been paid. The overtime that went in,
that came out of the budget. Once that budget was eaten up
then it went into the reserves to reimburse into that
budget so the real answer is that it all came out of the
reserves, anything over and above the budgeted amount that
we had.
Councilman Vincenzi stated well, not all of it. City
Manager Hooper was saying that total cost was almost $6
million that we have paid out. Some of the debris hauling
we haven't paid. For the debris hauling we've got an
agreement that when we get reimbursed we pay them. What
has been paid is they bought equipment and he sent people
to go buy generators. They had staff time and a tremendous
amount of overtime hours for pretty much every department.
Those dollars have been paid so those dollars are out of
pocket. That's close to a million dollars. If they allow
him to round he would tell them that that's where the
reserves have been depleted and that's where the numbers
went to, all of those extra costs. Those are reimbursable
costs they can get back. They will go back into the
reserve account assuming they get it but he couldn't tell
them it's there until they do know that they have at least
an IOU or that kind of a check that they send us.
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Councilman Vincenzi asked about the three million that has
yet to be paid and how much of that is to be given to
debris haulers and those that haven't been paid yet? City
Manager Hooper estimated around $2.5 million of that.
Councilman Vincenzi stated so there is only going to be
about half a million going back into the reserves? City
Manager Hooper stated between a half and seven hundred
thousand. He asked Finance Director Williams if he thought
that was fair and accurate. Finance Director Williams
informed him yes. $2.9 million is what they are intending
on receiving and that is about what they owe others.
City Manager Hooper went over the budget summary. He
highlighted some of what has gone into the thought process
to make it occur. It's based on a revenue source of 6.45
mills. One mill brings in $801,000. This last year they
had growth, two kinds of growth. One was just assessments
that went up. The other was new growth. They had about a
15% increase in overall City values and we had about a 5%
increase in growth values. Those are healthy numbers for
both. In years past we have been about 1% and 2% for new
growth and about 12 may be max on assessments so those
numbers have grown and jumped and those numbers are really
beginning to just increase. He then commented on getting
new projects that come online. It takes a year and a half
to two years before they actually see much in the way of
assessments that come back to them as far as tax revenue.
Those numbers are growing. A 5% and 6% growth rate is the
highest or one of the highest in the County. They saw when
this was published two other cities, New Smyrna Beach and
Daytona Beach Shores had higher overall numbers but that's
because of beachside condos and the reevaluation of that.
He thought the growth rate was the highest growth rate of
any city in the County right now. Those two things are
working and working well. The growth rate is about half
residential and half non-residential.
Councilwoman Lichter commented on an article in the News
Journal about the Industrial Park that all of the contracts
were not signed. She asked if that was coming along. City
Manager Hooper commented on the process they use. The
contracts have been signed but they may not have had
closing so that the money hasn't exchanged hands for the
deeds. Every parcel we have is under contract and set to
close in the next 30 to 60 days. He then commented on the
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80 or so acres where they still have to do the
infrastructure.
City Manager Hooper stated the budget is also based on
indexing of fees. When they brought Council the fees they
said that annually they should adjust pretty much
everything they charge by a CPI number. The CPI this year
of April of 2005 is 3.5%. Construction cost is up some
40%. If they go out look at the cost of gas, concrete,
steel, all of that so there is a construction number and a
CPI number. The construction number is 3.5%. The ENR
number they are still trying to get a better number.
That's the number for construction for concrete and so
forth. Their fees are going to adjust some of that. They
did that last year. That was automatic that after they had
done the rate ordinances that described how that worked
instead of having major rate increases every fourth or
fifth year, they do a fairly simple 2% or 3% per year.
City manager Hooper then commented on some of the expenses
that have grown that are very large such as the pension
plan. The General Fund Pension Plan has grown about 40%
more this year then last year. Part of that is a closed
plan. It has about 65 or so members to it. That cost
continues to escalate. They have advertised for a pension
specialist to hire. They have looked very strongly at an
agent of record to help figure what they do next. Do they
close that plan? Do they put annuities into it so they buy
it out? Do they open it so that it then becomes an active
plan? That has been an issue and its costs are going up.
The Fire and Police have gone up but theirs are maybe 10%
so that shows you that there is a major difference.
Councilwoman Rhodes stated that was her biggest question.
City Manager Hooper stated the deal is it is closed. He is
convinced that is the problem. It's a closed plan not
taking any new people. More people are reaching that
retirement age so that plan needs to be more liquid so they
can payout those dollars that are due.
Councilwoman Lichter thought there was an advisor at the
moment. Councilwoman Rhodes stated she is the Chairperson
and the last she knew they were looking for a different
advisor. City Manager Hooper stated they have advertised
but had minimal response. He thought they wanted to really
interview the one that responded. He is looking to change
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the investment companies. They are very unhappy with the
way it is going and the lack of information.
City Manager Hooper commented on other things have gone up
such as benefit expenses. It's fairly a meager amount.
It's 5% or so for insurance health coverage so that went up
but it didn't go up a great deal.
City Manager Hooper then commented on some new positions in
the budget. He has a new water and sewer service operator
because of the number of new customers. They are adding
about 250 customers a year and they haven't done anything
for about four or five years. An Administrative person in
the water and sewer. Refuse they have talked. If they are
going to pick up all this area to the south, they are going
to have to add five new drivers and pick up guys. That's
into next year. He wanted to talk to Council about a
firefighter. They have approved to cut overtime. He and
Fire Chief Barlow are working on another idea of adding a
third one that would be able to put one on each shift.
That's not in this budget. That's something he was going
to spend more time on and maybe bring back to Council and
see whether they want to do that or not.
Mayor Schmidt commented on talking about possibly some of
the bigger developments getting quotes on farming them out.
City Manager Hooper commented on talking to several
including the County. It is practically impossible for us
to bill and do that and make consistency throughout the
City. He thought it was a good thing to look at but once
they got to the reality and practicality of it, they have
had every hauler tell them they would do it but they
wouldn't like the service and that if they like the current
City service to expand it. If they want to save money, go
out and advertise and privatize the whole thing. That is
the two choices they really have. He further commented on
still wanting to follow through with commercial. He also
commented on what would be involved with expanding the City
service.
Councilwoman Rhodes stated don't mess with trash. Mayor
Schmidt pointed out that with someone else it is only once
a week compared to twice a week. City Manager Hooper
stated it is whatever they want it. They can make the
service equal. The more equal the closer the rates become.
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Councilwoman Lichter pointed out they have gone through
this subject the last 15 years she has lived in Edgewater
and come to the conclusion that we are very fortunate with
the quality of guys they have driving the truck and when
they are there picking up. It is such a personal thing
this way. She could make a list of ten things being the
reason and their mentality that they keep with the City
employees for the trash pickup.
City Manager Hooper then commented on some of the capital
projects. All the vehicles in next year's budget they are
going to be looking to lease, long term lease, so that the
maintenance issues are paid. A five-year lease, level load
the payments and be able to get the maintenance and repairs
done cheaper and more cost effective. Councilwoman Rhodes
asked about using impact fees. City Manager Hooper
informed her they couldn't use impact fees for vehicles
unless it is new vehicles for expansion of services.
City Manager Hooper then commented on the phone system.
They have money in the budget for a phone system. They are
going to help him answer this on Monday night whether it's
a phone system here or Regions Bank but regardless they are
going to look at a phone system.
City Manager Hooper then commented on garbage trucks. He
described for Council a clam truck and a semi-trailer takes
the garbage from the transfer station out to the landfill.
This has a half a million dollars in the budget for
resurfacing as well as some utility expansion projects to
expand the water system. They had the Quentin Hampton
discussion of what all needed to be done down south about
the sewer plant, the reclaimed system so it has some of
those in it. Most of that is paid out of impact fees.
They have a ParkTowne roadway for expansion in the new
area. That's paid out of the sale of property up there and
out of some road impact fees. He did not have any cost
whatsoever in there for Regions Bank so this budget was
presented at this point without that. They are going to
decide that on Monday night.
City Manager Hooper then commented on the General Fund.
The book in front of them has about a three hundred
thousand dollar deficit. Its expenses exceed revenues by
three hundred thousand. Sounds like a big deal but at this
point in time it's not a big deal. Usually when he
presents it to Council it's a million or more. To him that
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is very close. A little tweaking of revenue, little
tweaking of expenses. It can be done and they are there.
City Manager Hooper pointed out that stormwater is the
biggest issue. They have heard him last year say that's a
problem. This year it has grown to be a large problem. The
deficit in stormwater, meaning the stormwater utility fees
that they take in and what they pay for maintenance of the
stormwater system. It's a $665,000 deficit. That money
this year is coming out of the water and sewer system and
coming out of the General Fund so there is a subsidy coming
meaning that if they don't change those rates, they don't
do something different or they say that they are going to
subsidize it out of the General Fund, that problem is going
to continue so that's a deficit. That's where three
hundred and something thousand of their money from the
General Fund went to balance the budget.
City Manager Hooper stated Refuse is about a hundred and
twenty thousand. That's out of the pension plan for the
most part went up. When they did the rate study that
system was balanced with a dollar a year of an increase.
For the most part some of the fuel has gone up, the pension
plans have gone up. Environmental Services Director
Wadsworth mentioned it being the pension, some of the
personnel costs and the slightly accelerated rate of growth
from what they had in the study that was done on it. City
Manager Hooper stated just the number of pickups. He
thought it would be a balanced fund. Right now there are
some expenditures in there that are a little abnormal with
those trucks but leasing will make that a balanced fund.
City Manager Hooper stated in summary that describes for
them the overall situation and that the funds are pretty
healthy. They have a reasonably close to balanced budget
in every aspect, except for the stormwater. They've got
FEMA that is out there for five hundred to seven hundred
thousand that can be carried forward in their reserve if
they pay. They have the resurfacing. They have capital
projects and they have an essence of pretty much status quo
business as usual. The park system and they got a lot of
grants in there that are matched grants. Finance Director
Williams has done a very good job of separating a whole
section of grants so when there is a match they see it. He
has done a good job of taking this budget and trying to
match revenue from a department showing them how much that
department costs.
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Councilwoman Lichter asked if there were taxes out there
that have not been paid. City Manager Hooper stated there
was. He further commented on what occurs. He estimated
they were at 3% or 4% as far as the taxes that have not
been paid.
Councilwoman Lichter asked what amount of money was
supposed to be in the reserves? City Manager Hooper
informed her $1.5 million. Councilwoman Rhodes stated it
is supposed to be 15% to 25% of the budget. City Manager
Hooper estimated there was about $800,000 or so there. If
they get the $700,000 from FEMA they are going to be very
close. He felt they would build back the reserves over
time. They were hit with the million dollars last year out
of the storm event. It's unrealistic to say they would put
it all back in one year. It's going to be phased in.
Councilwoman Rhodes mentioned not knowing if they are going
to have a storm event like that again this year. City
Manager Hooper stated they are going to do everything they
can to build it as soon as possible. He didn't think it
was smart to raise taxes to create reserves. He spoke of
having other access to money.
Councilman Brown felt the budget was put together as well
as it could be. He didn't have anyone item to look at on
this. He appreciated the amount of effort this has gone
into it. When they get it all fine tuned, he hoped it
would be good.
Councilman Vincenzi needed more time to look at it. What
he would like to do over the next couple of weeks was take
it home and tear it apart and then come back with
questions. City Manager Hooper explained the purpose
tonight was to introduce it to them and explain it to them.
He wasn't asking them to decide anything tonight. The next
real decision is on the 18th to set the millage. Councilman
vincenzi felt it was clear that there wasn't a lot of extra
money floating around and that is holding it at the current
millage, which is technically a tax increase. City Manager
Hooper informed him it is about a 15% tax increase.
Councilman Vincenzi stated so even though they aren't
raising the millage it is still a tax increase
unfortunately. City Manager Hooper stated the same revenue
generation would be a 15% reduction in tax so that is how
it is called a tax increase.
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Mayor Schmidt asked
roll back rate is?
5.6239%.
if they know what the percentage of the
City Manager Hooper informed him it was
Mayor Schmidt agreed with Councilman Vincenzi. He thinks
when it comes down to it they know no matter what on the
18th, when it comes to the bank and that, they don't want to
cut services.
Councilwoman Rhodes felt they needed to have a handle on
the budget by Monday to know if there is anywhere in the
budget that they can make that happen. Otherwise that
shouldn't occur on Monday. City Manager Hooper commented
on what his intent was for Monday with regard to the bank.
Councilwoman Rhodes pointed out she loved the format of the
budget because it answered a lot of questions she had.
Councilwoman Rhodes asked about the retirement
contributions? That is huge. City Manager Hooper commented
on the summary sheet that shows the amount that the City
pays in benefits. This is across all funds and they pay
out in salaries $12.5 million and almost $4.5 million is in
benefits. Councilwoman Rhodes pointed out she was talking
about the difference from last year to this year. She
wasn't saying it shouldn't happen. In her opinion it is a
huge difference. She was curious why?
City Manager Hooper informed her they are having them here
on August 3rd. They are certainly invited to sit in and
it's Principal coming and the main question that he has
beat on him is they told them it wouldn't go up when they
made some changes. Why is it now 40%? If the answer is
it's a closed plan, they need to hear that and then start
making some changes and correct that.
Councilwoman Rhodes commented on the Executive Salaries for
the City Manager and City Clerk? Why are they less in 2006
then they were in 2005? Finance Director Williams pointed
out that last year they budgeted all their payroll costs
using Microsoft Excel. They transferred over to the new
system and they had a personnel budgeting model they could
use. They generated the numbers and budgeted everybody and
came out with the numbers and found out they are more
efficient at budgeting using the new computer system than
what they were last year. City Manager Hooper stated what
is occurring is the police are going up 5%. That is their
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union contract. Other unions have a different formula.
Theirs is cpr plus 2. This year that means 5.5%.
Department heads are at 5.5%. His was also at that same
level. No one is going down.
Councilwoman Lichter spent three or four hours today trying
to go over the budget. The pension thing always stood out
in her mind. She spoke of being good to the City workers.
She thinks they respond accordingly. Councilwoman Rhodes
agreed.
Councilwoman Lichter commented on having to make a big
decision Monday night. She mentioned items that are being
purchased individually in each department such as nuts and
bolts being ordered in bulk to keep costs down. City
Manager Hooper commented on centralized purchasing.
Councilwoman Lichter briefly commented on the
beautification that has been done in the City.
City Manager Hooper commented on the Council having
discussions with each department head due to them putting
their budgets together and knowing them better than anyone
else.
Councilman Brown commented on the condominium down south
and having an impact figure of $800,000 or $400,000. Where
does that go when it comes in and what do they use it for?
City Manager Hooper informed him the water impact fees go
to the water fund. The sewer impact fee would go to sewer
fund. They will pay road impact fees that go to road
impact fees, police and fire. They have a budget line
item, a fund for each of those impact fees and they can
only budget capital improvements that sponsor new growth
out of those impact fees.
City Manager Hooper further commented on fund balance.
Councilwoman Lichter asked about the canals on the side of
Mission Road. She asked if those were the City's
responsibility? City Manager Hooper stated the road is
still County. DOT has assigned that road jurisdiction to
the County. The City takes care of outside the right-of-
way. Those ditches are inside the right-of-way so that's
the County's problem.
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ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business to discuss, the Workshop
adjourned at 5:50 p.m.
Minutes submitted by:
Lisa Bloomer
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