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CITY COUNCIL OF EDGEWATER
REGULAR MEETING
NOVEMBER 3, 1997
7:00 P.M.
COMMUNITY CENTER
MINUTES
CALL TO ORDER
Mayor Allman called the Regular Meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. in
the Community Center.
ROLL CALL
Mayor Randy Allman
Councilman James Gornto
Councilman Myron Hammond
Councilman Gary Roberts
Councilwoman Judith Lichter
Interim City Attorney Nikki Clayton
Interim City Manager Kenneth Hooper
city Clerk Susan Wadsworth
Police Chief Lawrence Schumaker
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INVOCATION. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
Due to Reverend Chegwig, Presbyterian Church, not being present,
there was a silent invocation. There was a pledge of allegiance
to the Flag.
Mayor Allman reviewed the procedure for the agenda.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
A. Special Meetin9 of October 14/ 1997
Councilwoman Lichter made a motion to approve the October 14,
1997 minutes, second by Councilman Hammond. The motion CARRIED
5-0.
B. Re9ular Meetin9 of October 20, 1997
Councilman Hammond made a motion to approve the October 20, 1997
minutes, second by Councilman Roberts. The motion CARRIED 5-0.
CITIZEN COMMENTS REGARDING AGENDA ITEMS ONLY
(This is the time for the public to come forward with any
comments they may have on any agenda items other than public
hearin9s. Please state your name and address/ and please limit
your comments to five minutes or less.)
Candice Natoli, 2501 35th Street, read a petition pertaining to
reinstating Krista Storey as City Attorney and presented it to
Mayor Allman.
Interim city Attorney Clayton informed Mayor Allman that after
the Councilmembers have had a chance to review the petition, city
Clerk Wadsworth also needs to receive a copy.
Paul Jenkins, willow Oak Drive, expressed concern regarding the
proposed contracts for the Interim City Manager and Interim city
Attorney. He feels the wording pertaining to reasonable expenses
needs to be better defined as to what the allowable actual
expenses would be.
Mr. Jenkins expressed concern regarding only one firm being
considered for the defense in the News Journal case. It is
normal in the public eye to consider more than one firm for these
things.
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Mr. Jenkins feels the City is about to get into some expensive
cost if Council goes through with the contracts. He believes the
City would be better served if George McMahon and Krista storey
were reinstated for a three month period and then given their
severance at the end of that three months. That three months
would allow time for new replacements and it would allow a
smoother transition.
Ferd Heeb, 115 N. Riverside Drive, stated one of the criticisms
of the previous City Attorney's office was the fact that the city
had obtained outside counsel to represent it in its lawsuits.
Now we have a Council who has dismissed City Attorney storey
because of this type of criticism and now Council is looking to
engage outside counsel. If the City's position was that Krista
storey should have handled all of the litigation in the past,
then Ms. Clayton should represent Council and we should save
those fees.
Mr. Heeb further spoke about the cost to the City because of the
dismissal of George McMahon and Krista storey.
Mr. Heeb stated the Council ran on a platform that they were
going to save taxes and cut money and the first thing they have
done is spent an easy $100,000. He feels Council should
reconsider their position and reinstate George McMahon and Krista
storey.
Mr. Heeb suggested Council get on with running this City and for
them to carry out the platform they ran on to run a more
efficient City and a better government.
Dick Martinez, 317 Schooner Avenue, spoke about Krista Storey
being paid $38.00 per hour as well as Interim City Attorney
Clayton being paid $100 per hour plus retaining an outside firm.
He asked Council to consider reinstating the former City Manager
and City Attorney.
Dominic capria, 606 Topside Circle, spoke about Item B on the
Consent Agenda pertaining to the replacement bond for Edgewater
Landing. He is confused because he thought Council already
approved a $42,500 maintenance bond for Phase III. He questioned
what the $10,000 is for. Interim City Attorney Clayton explained
this is a substitution of a bond for construction of sidewalks in
a phase in the subdivision and it is for construction completion
so it does not relate to the maintenance provisions once the
improvements referred to under the other bond are completed.
This is for a period during construction of sidewalks.
Mike Hays, 2319 Umbrella Tree Drive, addressed the request of the
Assistant city Manager to be named Acting City Manager. He spoke
about there being only one other person who has more knowledge of
the day to day operations of the City other than Mr. Munoz being
Mr. McMahon. He feels Mr. Munoz is the only choice. He has
demonstrated his ability.
Jeanne DelNigro, 3130 Tamarind Drive, also addressed the request
of the Assistant City Manager to be named Acting city Manager.
She cannot endorse the appointment of Mr. Munoz to the office of
City Manager. She feels during the past few weeks his behavior
and unfounded charges and remarks that have been printed in the
local newspaper indicate a man with something to hide. She
cannot support a man she can't trust. She asked Council to vote
no on this appointment.
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Robert Pogg, 2925 Yule Tree Drive, stated he can not trust Mr.
Munoz. He spoke about the articles in the newspaper regarding
the recent lawsuit. He spoke about Mr. Munoz and Mr. Karet being
"whistleblowers" but he feels they are not whistleblowers. He
feels the information that was supposedly given was already out
before the Primary Election. He feels this is making the City
spend a lot of money for nothing.
Doris Hill, 112 Lincoln Road, stated at the present time the city
of Edgewater is paying three people for the services of City
Manager, Mr. Hooper, Mr. McMahon and Mr. Munoz. She doesn't
believe the majority of taxpayers like seeing their tax dollars
squandered on duplicate salaries and outrageous legal fees. This
attorney is asking for more money than the previous attorney was
making. It is going to cost a lot of money to get an outsider
here and work for what they are working for. If you should lose
one of the lawsuits being brought against Council, the citizens
of Edgewater, Council included, it could cost millions of dollars
in damages. We have got about a million dollars in
unappropriated funds right now. She resents Council putting the
City in financial jeopardy and asked them to think about that.
CITY COUNCIL REPORTS
Councilwoman Lichter spoke about not knowing who owns the
property at the corner of u.S. #1 and SR 442 where the newspapers
are. Used cars have been sold there for the past two weeks. She
asked if this could be looked into.
Councilwoman Lichter stated VCOG, in conjunction with the
college, will be offering classes for newly elected officials.
That will be on December 8th and 16th. She asked City Clerk
Wadsworth to find out more about it so they could attend.
Councilman Roberts asked how quickly they could move on
establishing a Charter Review Committee. He also asked about
having a committee to look into the proper site for the Fire
station west of the tracks. He feels these committees need to be
established as soon as possible.
Interim City Manager Hooper stated on November 10th there is a
work session scheduled on the Fire station. On the November 24th
work session, the first item is the Charter Review.
Councilman Hammond stated he would like to establish a committee
of professionals, who have been running big businesses, to be
able to come in and double check what is going on right now.
Councilman Gornto had nothing at this time.
Mayor Allman had nothing at this time.
PUBLIC HEARINGS. ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS
A. Public hearing requested by George E. McMahon
Mayor Allman informed Mr. McMahon of the hearing process.
George McMahon, 2904 Royal Palm Drive, presented his background
information qualifications and recognitions he has received. He
went on to speak about his accomplishments since he started
working for the City of Edgewater.
Mr. McMahon spoke about his salary and the benefits he received.
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Mr. McMahon asked Council individually why he was fired at their
first meeting. Interim City Attorney Clayton explained Mayor
Allman can take the question and determine whether he wants
Council to respond. She asked Mr. McMahon if he was asking for
each question to be answered separately. Mr. McMahon stated he
would prefer that. Interim City Attorney Clayton stated that is
the option of the chair. If Council rules they want to take the
questions one at a time and see if council wishes to respond they
could do that, or they could wait until Mr. McMahon has finished
his presentation and have heard from members of the public.
Interim City Attorney Clayton summarized what was just said
pertaining to the hearing procedure.
Mayor Allman stated they would answer Mr. McMahon's questions as
he asks them because he has nothing to hide.
Mr. McMahon asked who decided to fire him and when. He stated he
would like to comment on the lack of any notification prior to
that meeting to him to have any kind of discussion or dialog
regarding performance or anything else. His performance
evaluations for six years standing have been nearly perfect.
Mayor Allman stated the reason he voted to fire Mr. McMahon was
during the election he was informed by several people of the way
the various departments were being run in the city. The people
that voted for him showed a very lack of confidence in Mr.
McMahon leading the City any further. People have said it was a
24% voter turnout. It was a clear mandate of the people who did
vote to clean out City Hall. Who decided and when? Mayor Allman
decided that right after the election he would bring it up the
first night. He felt it was appropriate at that time to get
started on a new route.
Mayor Allman admitted to being one of the people who told Mr.
McMahon he was not a head hunter. He is not a head hunter
however, he feels he is responsible for the people who elected
him to show trust in their trust in him.
Councilman Roberts stated he voted to have Mr. McMahon removed as
well as the City Attorney because he felt the consensus of what
the voters wanted was to have new administration as well as
Council. He stated Mr. McMahon claimed that he had good
efficiency reports. Of course, those were done by a Council that
people didn't have any confidence in. Obviously they voted them
out and when the Mayor brought it up he felt obligated to back up
what his supporters wanted him to do when they put him in office.
Councilman Hammond also admitted to being one of the people who
told Mr. McMahon he was not a head hunter. When he got elected
the people kept coming up to him telling him they want the people
out. The day he talked to Mr. McMahon he informed him he was
going after policy and the Charter was going to be changed. What
happens from there happens. That was his agenda. He informed
Mr. McMahon the people wanted him out and he had to make a
decision. Sooner or later it was going to come down. He feels
at that point, Mr. McMahon basically knew what was going to
happen. He had to call a shot there and he went with the Mayor
at that point.
Mr. McMahon stated he appreciates his response from Council. He
thanked the residents for letting him serve the community for six
years. It has been a privilege contradictory to what some people
may think about him. He asked Council to observe his performance
objectively. Mr. McMahon read a small poem.
Councilman Gornto stated he doesn't feel he or Councilwoman
Lichter had a chance to respond to the questions and he feels it
would be appropriate if they did respond.
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councilman Gornto stated the reason Mr. McMahon was fired was
because it was a 3-2 vote. He voted no on the first question
regarding the issue as well as Councilwoman Lichter. His
personal feeling at that time was that it was too fast and no
matter how they felt personally, Mr. McMahon should have been
given a chance and Council should have worked with him for some
period of time before they made that decision but the vote was 3-
2. He still feels the same way and has not changed his opinion
of that. Who decided it? As far as he knows, it was decided at
this curved table at the time it happened. Regarding the lack of
notification, Mr. McMahon knew it as quick as he did. He spoke
about not knowing what Clean Out City Hall really meant. He knew
Mr. McMahon before he joined this Council. He spoke about the
Chamber of Commerce leadership program Mr. McMahon spoke at and
he recognized Mr. McMahon as being a confident and capable
person. The information given to him was that Mr. McMahon was a
very quality, excellent oriented city Manager and he doesn't find
that any different today than he did then.
Councilwoman Lichter stated she did not always agree with
everything Mr. McMahon said but she saw a very honest and capable
person. She doesn't believe anyone should be fired in the manner
he was fired that night. It gives her chills when she thinks
about what happened to Mr. McMahon and Ms. Storey.
Councilwoman Lichter stated the City Manager and City Attorney
have to be compatible with Council but that was yet to be seen.
We were five people elected. Her main platform was not to sweep
out City Hall but to look into things. She is not saying what
happened wouldn't have happened two months down the line but in a
manner that would not have been so costly to the community and in
a manner that would not have the look of impropriety that it had
and in a manner that would not have gotten us in the situation we
are today. She respects Mr. McMahon for standing up in front of
the Council and for asking the questions he is asking.
The following residents spoke on behalf of Mr. McMahon.
Doris Hill, 112 Lincoln Road, believes there were five issues in
the past election: 1) taxes, 2) changing the date of the election
from November 4th and giving the incumbent Council an extra year
without putting it to the people to see what their thoughts were,
3) the length of time the incumbents had already served, 4) the
city Charter, and 5) special interest groups.
Ms. Hill stated she is not going to stand here tonight and let
Council get away with what they are doing without informing
Council of the way the people in this City feel. She feels
Council has been had.
Candice Natoli, 2501 35th Street, stated she expects the Council
to be honorable and to love this City and all of its citizens and
to serve us diligently and well. She loves Edgewater but doesn't
like what happened. She asked Council to search their conscience
carefully. She presented a petition regarding the reinstatement
of Mr. McMahon. Mayor Allman informed her it could be presented
to him again.
Mike Hays, 2319 Umbrella Tree Drive, feels the procedure Council
used was wrong. He has read statements Council has made publicly
and heard what they have said publicly and to the press. He
stated the facts speak differently. If Council as elected
officials are doing their job, when they vote on an issue it will
be an informed vote. Three Councilmembers denied the other two
their right to an informed vote. He feels they disenfranchised
two fifths of the City's voters by their actions and he feels
that was wrong. Procedurally and ethically that was wrong.
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Mr. Hays commented on Council not coming to their decision
outside the Sunshine. That may be true. If that is indeed true,
which he personally does not believe, then they were misfeasant
in their voting. An uninformed vote was made. How could Council
vote on the two interim people that were sitting in the audience
if they hadn't already had communication with them. Let the
facts speak for themselves. He feels what Council did was wrong
and informed them they will not get away with it. Council is
being watched in what they do. Council does have an opportunity,
for those that have a conscience, to correct this problem.
Mayor Allman informed Mr. Hays the comments made were regarding
Mr. McMahon. It is not an attack on Council. Mr. Hays informed
Mayor Allman Council's actions brought this forward. Mayor
Allman informed Mr. Hays he was out of order. Nor is it an act
or forum for Mr. Hays to chastise any member of this Council,
including Mayor Allman. If you have something to say on behalf
of Mr. McMahon please continue.
Mr. Hays stated on behalf of Mr. McMahon, he was wronged by
Council's actions. If you don't want me to publicly state what
those are then he feels he is being denied his right to express
that publicly. He feels Mr. McMahon is an honest man who worked
for this City. Just because you don't like what I say, doesn't
mean it is not true.
Mr. Hays stated Council has an opportunity to correct the
problem. Whether or not Mr. McMahon would come back to work for
this City if you offered it to him, quite frankly he doubts it.
If he was him he doesn't know that he would. The man has been
hurt publicly but the procedure Council used in firing Mr.
McMahon was procedurally wrong. You denied two people on this
Council their right to participate in it.
Donald Price, 302 S. Ridgewood Avenue, spoke about Mayor Allman,
Councilman Roberts and Councilman Hammond saying there was a
mandate. He did not give Council his mandate. In a court of
law, heresay evidence is inadmissible. He has served on juries
and been directed by judges that a jury must decide on facts.
Mr. Price stated the facts are George McMahon was more than a
good City Manager, he was excellent. He was approachable. When
there was a conflict about fencing off some of the retention
ponds in the early part of the Capital Improvement Project and
the City Council wanted to put up posts so that vehicles would
not drive in, it worried him. He approached Mr. McMahon and said
it should be a fence because children could go between the posts.
His termination should have been based on fact, not on the
opinions of some disgruntled citizens. He spoke about the
qualifications of Mr. McMahon.
Mr. Price stated they did not intend for City Hall to be swept
clear and the staff demoralized. Many of us thought that a
change of city Council was needed. The mistake was made at the
very first meeting. Mr. McMahon should be reinstated. He
believes Mr. McMahon should go back to his old job and serve
until a new city Manager, preferably Mr. Munoz, be appointed and
then he can be allowed to go on.
Hugh Williams, former employee and resident of Edgewater, spoke
about what he has learned from Mr. McMahon. He doesn't believe
Council will find a more honest straightforward good person who
lives what he believes or a more professional person. He spoke
about the extra money being spent for extra people. He informed
Council they have demoralized the morale amongst the majority of
the employees in the City. He spoke about the large amount of
money being spent on management. He feels Council has made a
tragic mistake. He has the greatest utmost professional respect
for Mr. McMahon.
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Ferd Heeb, 115 N. Riverside Drive, feels Mr. McMahon credentials
and qualifications speak for themselves. He spoke about Mr.
McMahon being available and responsive on issues he has had to
deal with with the city. He stated he respects Council for
representing the City but asked Council to stop and think that
their obligation is to everyone in Edgewater and it is time to
start thinking about the "silent majority." In a City like this,
there was a silent majority. Probably six or seven thousand
people that did not vote.
Mr. Heeb asked for Council to represent everyone in the City and
move forward. He feels the city had a qualified City Manager.
In the Council-City Manager form of government, the Council
represents the people in making the policy that is used to run
the City. The City Manager has the responsibility of carrying
out that policy and administering the day-to-day affairs.
Mr. Heeb feels the Council, as elected officials, really need to
look at their agenda and reestablish a program that is designed
to benefit all of the City. He feels the biggest problem facing
the City of Edgewater is going to be growth.
Mr. Heeb feels if Mr. McMahon did not work here, the Council
would be favorably considering his application at this point in
the game.
Mike Visconti, 316 pine Breeze Drive, spoke about the
improvements in Edgewater since he moved here four years ago. He
spoke about being instrumental in getting a fountain at the
corner of SR 442 and u.s. #1. If it wasn't for Mr. McMahon and
his counseling, that fountain would never be where it is today.
He spoke about there being $1.3 million in the unappropriated
funds because of Mr. McMahon. He spoke about the tornado in New
Smyrna Beach and what would happen if it hit Edgewater. He feels
Mr. McMahon is a professional man that did wonders for Edgewater.
He spoke about Edgewater improving since Mr. McMahon was city
Manager. He has the qualifications and hopes that Council will
reinstate him so the business of Edgewater can go on in a
favorable condition.
Sandy Jones, 1520 Travelers Palm Drive, spoke on behalf of Mr.
McMahon. She thinks the people who voted for the new Council
voted for them because they thought Council would make
responsible, accountable, and rational decisions. She does not
think Mr. McMahon was given due process. She hopes in the future
the Council will think about the decisions it is making for the
City as a whole. When Council talks about mandates, talk about
the City as a whole, not just the 20% who voted.
Paul Jenkins, Willow Oak Drive, also spoke on behalf of Mr.
McMahon. He hasn't always agreed with Mr. McMahon or the City
council. Mr. McMahon acted at the request of the Council. He
spoke about an issue he brought before Mr. McMahon and he agreed
with him and stood behind him against the Council. When he saw
the signs that said Clean Out City Hall, he looked at it as being
the Council, not everything. He expected changes in management
but he expected them to be done in a professional manner giving
those professionals the courtesy they deserved.
Mr. Jenkins believes Council has an opportunity to stop the
turmoil and rising costs and put the brakes on now. He believes
Krista Storey and George McMahon deserve to be reinstated for the
three months until new replacements can be found.
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Phyllis Murray, 701 Navigators Way, stated she is wondering what
it would take for Council to make a concession as to what has
happened. It is shameful. She is embarrassed for her city. She
stated one way to save face is to say a mistake was made and a
rash judgment was made and the town deserves better. She feels
they should see what they could do and move on from there. She
feels Mr. McMahon and Ms. Storey deserve more respect. If we
want to respect ourselves, and Council expects the citizens to
respect them, they have to exchange kindness and decency. She in
no way saw any of the signs as a mandate to get rid of the
workers of City Hall.
Richard Jones, 1530 Sabal Palm Drive, congratulated Council for
the dissipating of the apathy that existed in the City up until
the Council's inauguration and the meetings that have been held
since then. He asked Council to consider the fact that Edgewater
needs to be stabilized again. He stated they have developed a
City to be proud of and we want to get it back to that point.
Jeanne DelNigro, 3130 Tamarind Drive, thanked Mr. McMahon for the
fishing pond next to her house. Mayor Allman informed her the
people who oppose will be called up after the people who are for
Mr. McMahon are finished.
Rochelle Herschberg Gianino, 1909 S. Riverside Drive unit #6,
fired her oncologist and hired someone else after giving her
oncologist six months. If Mr. McMahon is not the choice of this
Councilor this City, in three months or six months down the
line, then you need to take action. She urged Council to step
back and see what they are doing. She suggested they give
themselves some time and some experience.
Charles Gianino, 1909 S. Riverside Drive unit #6, asked Council
to rescind their vote because it would be a very costly task for
the City to endure. After reading the papers, in reading the
expenses that are going to incur with the court case and all, he
took it upon himself to request a public record from the city
Clerk. He has the resumes for Ms. Clayton and Mr. Hooper. He
spoke about Mr. McMahon's qualifications and feels if they are
going to fire and replace somebody, we should get someone with a
lot more qualifications than the man that was fired. He asked
Council to look to replace Mr. McMahon with someone with more
qualifications so the City who elected Council would get a better
deal.
The following residents spoke in opposition of Mr. McMahon.
Bill Muller, 17 Wildwood Drive, stated he has been around since
1980 and feels a lot has been done without Mr. McMahon. He
doesn't believe he was god sent down to save the City of
Edgewater. He feels Mr. McMahon is over qualified to work in a
small city like Edgewater.
Jeanne DelNigro, 3130 Tamarind Drive, spoke about the previous
Council and Mr. McMahon saying they worked on a bare bones
budget. Where did this $1 million come from? She feels the
streets are going to have to be paved again in the next two
years. She further spoke about the retention ponds in Florida
Shores.
Ms. DelNigro told Mr. McMahon he has milked the City enough and
to step down and let Council get on with what they have to do.
She feels he should stop pussy footing around.
Andy Anderson, pine Tree Drive, stated he has spoken to 2,000
people over the past five or six years and 90 to 95% of the
people were very unhappy. He further spoke about reasons the
people were unhappy.
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Mr. Anderson commented about the debt load of the city.
Mr. Anderson spoke about the paving project and the retention
ponds.
Dee cucanich, 1906 Travelers Palm Drive, stated she supports the
new Council in whatever they do tonight.
Dominic Capria, 606 Topside Circle, stated he does respect Mr.
McMahon but this is a Council decision who has a right to make
that decision.
Mr. Capria commented on
three months severance.
the dollars spent which
people are calculating.
the contract for Mr. McMahon including
He hopes to see in the newspapers soon
he thinks will be lower than what the
Robert Pogg, 2925 Yule Tree Drive, stated the people have been
yelling for two years to clean out City Hall. He thinks Mr.
McMahon has done a decent job. The voters asked for City Hall to
be cleaned out. Every department head, everybody looked at, and
if you don't like them and they aren't doing their job, then get
rid of them. Council made a decision, stick with it. If you
don't stick with it, your credibility will be no good for the
rest of the year.
Ed Keenan, 1905 pine Tree Drive, spoke about the City's
insurance, sending water south and the roads in Florida Shores.
He agreed with the method used to fire the City Attorney and City
Manager.
Mayor Allman closed the public hearing.
Councilwoman Lichter reaffirmed her feelings. She made a motion
to reinstate George McMahon as City Manager, second by Councilman
Gornto.
Mayor Allman asked if there is any further discussion.
The motion DID NOT CARRY 2-3. Mayor Allman, Councilman Roberts
and Councilman Hammond voted NO.
CONSENT AGENDA
A. satisfaction of alarm permit lien
B. Subdivision/replacement bond for Radnor/Edgewater, Inc.
Regarding Edgewater Landing Phase III in amount of $10.000
C. Lease of new copiers for city Hall and Fire/Rescue Department
D. Maintenance agreement with Technicians Unlimited. Inc. For
copy machine located in Finance Department
Councilman Gornto made a motion to approve the Consent Agenda,
second by Councilwoman Lichter. The motion CARRIED 5-0.
OTHER BUSINESS
A. Appointment to Volusia Council of Governments (Postponed
10/20/97)
B. Appointment to Metropolitan Planning Organization (Postponed
10/20/97)
Councilman Roberts made a motion to appoint Mayor Allman to the
Volusia Council of Governments and Metropolitan Planning
Organization, second by Councilman Gornto. The motion CARRIED 5-
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C. ~ppointment to Metropolitan Plannin9 Or9anization citizens
Advisory Committee due to resi9nation of Elmer Rector (Postponed
10/20/97)
Councilman Roberts asked if this is a citizen at large and if
they have applications for this. Interim city Manager Hooper
stated the ones in the package are the ones that have been
submitted. The reason he brought this before Council is because
there are meetings coming up in November.
Councilwoman Lichter made a motion to appoint John Moore as the
citizen representative to the Metropolitan Planning Organization
citizens Advisory committee, second by Councilman Hammond. The
motion CARRIED 5-0.
D. Appointment of member and alternate to Volusian Water
Alliance Board of Representatives (Postponed 10/20/97)
Councilman Roberts made a motion to nominate Councilman Gornto.
Councilman Gornto informed him he would rather pass. Councilman
Roberts made a motion to nominate Councilwoman Lichter to the
Volusian Water Alliance Board of Representatives, second by
Councilman Gornto.
Councilman Hammond made a motion to appoint Councilman Roberts as
the alternate to the Volusian Water Alliance, second by
Councilman Gornto.
Councilman Roberts asked if an alternate needed to be appointed
to VCOG and MPO. He was informed no.
The motion CARRIED 5-0.
E. Appointments to Animal Control Board
There was a brief discussion regarding a veterinarian serving on
the Animal Control Board.
Councilwoman Lichter made a motion to appoint Donna Wagner,
second by Councilman Hammond. The motion CARRIED 5-0.
Councilman Roberts made a motion to appoint Robin Hendricks,
second by Councilman Gornto. The motion CARRIED 5-0.
Councilwoman Lichter made a motion to appoint Elizabeth Scavarda,
second by Councilman Gornto. The motion CARRIED 5-0.
Councilman Roberts made a motion to appoint Melissa Ridner
Mitchell, second by Councilman Gornto. The motion CARRIED 5-0.
Councilwoman Lichter made a motion to appoint Robert W. Schmitt,
second by Councilman Hammond. The motion CARRIED 5-0.
F. Appointments to Beautification and Tree Committee
Councilwoman Lichter made a motion to appoint Mike Visconti,
second by Councilman Gornto. The motion CARRIED 5-0.
Councilman Gornto made a motion to appoint William Tanksley,
second by Councilman Roberts. The motion CARRIED 5-0.
Councilman Lichter made a motion to appoint Felicia Ver Way,
second by Councilman Hammond. The motion CARRIED 5-0.
Interim City Manager Hooper informed Council there were
additional applications that came in after the agenda closed that
were put at their stations.
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There was a brief discussion regarding applications submitted by
Karen Hall and Donald Shaw who are interested in sharing a term.
Councilwoman Lichter feels it is wonderful to involve snowbirds
but she thinks for the continuity of the board and Charter, the
Council should stick with the way things are set up, unless this
gets changed.
Councilman Roberts asked Ms. Hall
serve as a standard board member.
the agreement with Mr. Shaw and to
who can serve but to consider them
if she would be willing to
Ms. Hall explained she made
go ahead and appoint someone
for an Ad Hoc Committee.
Councilman Hammond made a motion to appoint Eleanor German,
second by Councilman Gornto. The motion CARRIED 5-0.
Councilman Roberts made a motion to appoint Patrick Conway,
second by Councilman Hammond. The motion CARRIED 5-0.
G. Appointments to Veterans Park Advisory Board
Interim City Manager Hooper asked that this item be postponed due
to members of this board having to be affiliated with various
association and not being verified yet.
Councilman Roberts asked how many members need to be appointed.
City Clerk Wadsworth informed Council there were three members to
be appointed.
Councilwoman Lichter asked if this item could be brought up at
the November 10th meeting. Interim City Manager Hooper informed
Council those meetings could be changed to Special Meetings if
the majority of Council decide that so action could be taken.
Mayor Allman asked if they could start with a Special Meeting and
adjourn and go into a workshop. Interim city Manager Hooper
informed him yes.
Mayor Allman entertained a motion to change the November 10th
meeting to a Special council Meeting followed by a workshop.
Councilwoman Lichter so moved, second by Councilman Gornto.
Councilwoman Lichter asked that at the next workshop meeting they
consider the vacancies that are recommended to them that are
available.
Mayor Allman reiterated a motion has been made that November 10th
a special Meeting be called in order to fill vacancies on boards
that are provided the board chairman or existing boards have
provided Council with recommendations or applications of future
appointees, second by Councilman Gornto.
The motion CARRIED 5-0.
There was a five-minute recess at 9:07 p.m.
H. Interlocal Agreement with Volusia County dedicating funds to
Edgewater Library parking lot expansion
Interim City Manager Hooper presented the background information
and recommendation pertaining to the Library parking lot
expansion.
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Councilman Roberts asked if there are any additional funds needed
besides the $125,000 given by the County. Interim city Manager
Hooper informed him no sir. In the package is a cost breakout
that identifies the projections and cost estimate from the City
which total $124,700. He stated there will be public hearings or
meetings conducted at the Library.
Councilman Gornto asked if the cut from Indian River Blvd. that
is now dirt will be paved prior to or simultaneous with the
parking lot. City Engineer Kyle Fegley stated that section of
Alamanda right-of-way is proposed to be paved concurrently by
another developer with their proposed improvements immediately
east of Alamanda right-of-way.
City Engineer Fegley elaborated on the proposed parking lot
plans.
Councilman Gornto asked if the developers site plan turn the
waterway and run the waterway north and culvert the waterway and
move it north of Indian River Blvd. to enlarge that property.
City Engineer Fegley stated it does realign the E-1 canal that
reverts through that property.
Councilman Roberts asked if there are any plans for landscaping
around the new parking area and if it is included in the budget
or is that something that will have to be dealt with later. City
Engineer Fegley explained the $125,000 is a not to exceed
monetary sum. It includes everything from concept design to
layout. Landscape is not shown. It is very preliminary. He was
just trying to get an idea on paper and meet the setback
requirements. He further elaborated on plans for the parking
area.
Councilman Roberts asked if the stormwater work has been approved
by st. Johns River Water Management District. City Engineer
Fegley explained none of the permitting has begun. Upon approval
of this item, he needs to proceed with the PO and get some
geotechnical work so the stormwater system can be designed to
meet st. Johns criteria.
Councilwoman Lichter stated in other words, this inter local
agreement is just a basic agreement that Council would accept the
general concept and that they will give us the money that we
should lock in as quick as we can and the other details will come
out at a hearing. Mr. Fegley informed her that is correct.
Councilman Roberts asked if the layout of the new parking area is
something the County came up with or Mr. Fegley came up with.
City Engineer Fegley explained that is merely his plan. He went
on to explain why the two lots are not connected and will not be
connected.
Interim City Manager Hooper asked if this normally would come
back to Council. Mr. Fegley informed him no. Interim city
Manger Hooper informed Council if they wanted this to come back
after preliminary design staff can bring it back if they want to
see it one more time.
Councilman Roberts expressed concern with there being two
separate parking lots. He questioned having handicap sidewalks
because of the elevation from the new parking lot up to the door.
Mr. Fegley explained what is proposed is a staircase so it would
not be readily handicap accessible. Councilman Roberts feels
signs should be posted to notify people if they pull in there
there is no handicap access.
Councilwoman Lichter asked how many handicap parking spots are at
the Library right now. Mr. Fegley explained there are two
required by the use of the facility.
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councilman Roberts stated since there is no landscaping plan
drawn in this, maybe this is an opportunity for the new
Beautification Committee to jump into action after final site
plan of the parking lot layout is approved.
Councilwoman Lichter made a motion to accept the inter local
agreement with Volusia County dedicating funds to Edgewater
Library parking lot expansion, second by Councilman Roberts. The
motion CARRIED 5-0.
I. Request of Assistant City Manager to be named Acting city
Manager
Interim City Manager Hooper had no comments and feels this is an
issue that is just before the Council directly.
Assistant City Manager/Finance Director Fred Munoz presented
reasons why he feels he should be appointed as Acting City
Manager and what he would do if appointed as City Manager. He
also spoke about items of concern for the future in Edgewater.
Ben DelNigro, 3130 Tamarind Drive, stated Mr. Munoz said he had
the tools to run the City, but his personal opinion is he feels
his tool box is empty.
Donald Price, 302 S. Ridgewood Ave, spoke in support of
appointing Mr. Munoz as the Acting City Manager until a City
Manager is hired.
John Moore, 2354 Fern Palm Drive, sees one reason why Council
would not appoint Mr. Munoz as Acting City Manager being they
don't agree with his political beliefs. He spoke about saving
money by appointing someone who is familiar with the job that has
been doing the job.
Robert Pogg, 2925 Yule Tree Drive, spoke about Mr. Munoz having a
lot of credentials but he just heard him speak about all of the
things Edgewater needs. He asked how much money is going to.be
taken out of his pocket. He doesn't want to see taxes go up.
Paul Jenkins, Willow Oak Drive, feels Mr. Munoz should be
appointed short term Interim City Manager to cut the cost and
save money. He feels Mr. Munoz can help Council learn.
Dick Martinez, 317 Schooner Ave, agreed with Mr. Jenkins. He
feels there is someone on staff being paid for the job of
Assistant City Manager.
Doris Hill, 112 Lincoln Road, suggested Council use Mr. Munoz
being he is already Assistant city Manager. She feels Council
needs to decide if they are going to squander the taxpayers money
away or whether they are going to act in a responsible manner.
She feels he is the man for this job.
Bill Gleason, 2904 Mango Tree Drive, spoke in support of
appointing Mr. Munoz as Assistant City Manager.
Councilwoman Lichter stated she would make a motion at the
appropriate time and then she will discuss it.
Councilman Roberts feels Mr. Munoz may have been doing a fine job
as a Finance Director but he feels that is where he should stay.
It is time for new administration. He doesn't see any sense in
keeping someone from the old administration running things. He
feels the Interim City Manager is doing a fine job and they
should keep him on until they find a permanent replacement. He
does not see the need for having someone with the title Assistant
City Manager. If you have a City Manager doing the job, there is
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Councilwoman Lichter does not feel Mr. Munoz came up here for a
plea to be put on as permanent manager although she knows his
application will be one of many. She feels Mr. Hooper has been
cordial and professional considering the position he has been put
in. She feels this is a practical matter. She spoke about Mr.
Munoz already having the title Assistant City Manager. She spoke
about the potential of $2,000 per week. She feels it will take
until the end of December to review the applications and find
someone that is compatible with Council.
Councilwoman Lichter spoke about Mr. Hooper not being here all
day long and he is doing what he can as Interim but in a sense
part-time and the other time Mr. Munoz takes over anyway.
Councilwoman Lichter spoke about the reputation of the City. She
stated when it comes time to make a motion she will make a motion
to let Mr. Munoz do the job he has the title to do until they
find a permanent City Manager.
Councilman Gornto spoke about not being familiar with Mr. Munoz's
capabilities and background until he was given his resume. He
doesn't feel his tool box is empty. He spoke on his credentials.
Councilman Hammond stated he is not doubting Mr. Munoz's
qualifications. He stated there are things he is still looking
into. He doesn't want to rule out Mr. Munoz yet and would like
to table this.
Mayor Allman stated he has one problem with Mr. Munoz. His
resume and credentials are fine and the problem he has is being
accused of a crime he did not commit. He can't place trust in a
person that falsely accuses him when he knows the truth and he
can't ask the City to place the trust at this time either.
Interim city Attorney Clayton explained at any given point during
their sessions, Council can discuss and bring up matters so that
if they were to make a vote today that were a negative vote, you
could bring up tomorrow and the next day and the following day
until it turned into a positive vote whatever matter was being
discussed. If Council feels tabling it is something they want,
it is an appropriate motion. If Council feels like they want to
table something because they are not sure about whether it could
be reconsidered, what she was trying to do is help them
understand if they wanted to have this matter brought up at any
time, Council could request it be brought up no matter whether
they voted for or against a motion tonight.
Councilman Hammond questioned if a motion is made, he could say
no but he could bring it back up.
Councilwoman Lichter questioned bringing an item back up at a
regularly scheduled meeting or at a workshop meeting. Interim
city Attorney Clayton explained figuratively speaking, Council
does not have to be bound by a vote that was taken today in their
actions tomorrow. Council can change their mind from today to
tomorrow to the next day.
Councilwoman Lichter questioned if someone makes a motion to
table, there is no further discussion. Interim city Attorney
Clayton explained parliamentary procedure says a motion to table
is a nondebatable and you just call for a vote. If that is what
Councilman Hammond wants to do, he would have to get a second to
the motion and then there would be no discussion.
Councilwoman Lichter made a motion to appoint Fred Munoz as
Acting City Manager until they fulfill the position in a
permanent manner. The motion DIED for lack of a second.
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J. Proposed professional services contracts for Interim City
Attorney and Interim City Manager
Councilwoman Lichter questioned if they should check to see what
happened to Mr. Gornto. Interim city Attorney Clayton explained
there is no responsibility for Council to account for the
whereabouts of individual members if a person gets up and leaves.
It is his/her prerogative.
Interim City Manager Hooper made a staff presentation regarding
the contracts presented by him and Interim City Attorney clayton.
Interim City Attorney Clayton further elaborated on the contract
presented by her.
Councilwoman Lichter questioned the price starting on October
7th. Interim City Attorney Clayton informed her that is correct.
councilwoman Lichter asked about out of pocket expenses not
entailing travel from her home to here. Interim city Attorney
Clayton explained no and that would only be as Mr. Hooper
outlined whether or not those out of pockets were authorized by
the City Council.
Councilwoman Lichter questioned if this includes attendance at
meetings. She feels there are three commissions that should have
an attorney on board: Land Development & Regulatory Agency,
citizen Code Enforcement Board and the Animal Control Board. She
questioned Interim City Attorney Clayton receiving $100 per hour
for attending a meeting. She asked if the $100 will start when
she leaves her house and include expenses. Interim City Attorney
Clayton explained it would not include those trips and she would
not include the mileage nor would she begin the clock as she
leaves her home to go to any of those meetings.
Councilwoman Lichter questioned Item 7 - Entire Agreement stating
"There have been no prior agreements, representations,
statements, negotiations and undertakings between the parties."
She questioned this being the issue of a court case. She
questioned this being eliminated from the contract. Interim City
Attorney Clayton stated yes it can certainly be eliminated. That
is boiler plate to talk about whether or not there has been a
process of negotiation. It is standard practice to try and make
the document include all the progress of negotiation in a
standard negotiating of a contract. This is one of those
instances in which, although you are correct, that there may be
issue as to that language. That language does not in any way
refer to Council, or the City or anyone else being bound as to
whether or not, in fact, any prior existed in this particular
instance. She would be happy to take that out. Councilwoman
Lichter would feel more comfortable if it wasn't in there.
Councilwoman Lichter made a motion to strike "There have been no
prior agreements, representations, statements, negotiations, and
undertakings between the parties" from the contracts presented by
Interim city Manager Hooper and Interim City Attorney Clayton,
second by Councilman Hammond. The motion CARRIED 4-0.
Interim City Attorney Clayton questioned if Councilwoman
Lichter's motion was anything other than a reduction of language
There was no action taken by Council on the contracts.
Councilman Roberts made a motion to approve the contracts for
Interim city Attorney Clayton and Interim City Manager Hooper as
they are written except for line item struck as a result of a
previous motion.
Councilman Hammond clarified at any time, when the vote comes up,
the Interim city Attorney and Interim City Manager will be
released of their duties.
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Councilman Roberts stated all City Managers and City Attorneys
work at the will of the Council.
Councilman Hammond seconded the motion. The motion CARRIED 4-0.
K. Convert the Lake Doctors, Inc. agreements for treating 21st
street and Mango Tree lake and 21st street and Lime Tree lake
from seven (7) treatments a year to twelve (12) treatments
annually
Interim City Manager Hooper made a brief staff presentation. He
informed Council City Engineer Fegley was available to answer any
questions.
Councilman Roberts asked how long Lake Doctors have been doing
this service for the City. city Engineer Fegley stated it has
been longer than his tenure which is in excess of five years.
Councilman Roberts questioned if seven treatments has been
standard for all those years. City Engineer Fegley explained no,
what occurred approximately four years ago, in an effort to try
and reduce some of the outside consultant services, the City
reduced and eliminated in some larger lakes any chemical
application and went with an aerator. Even though it helped
dissolve oxygen content, it really didn't eliminate the emergents
or the algae. These ponds, approximately five years ago, were
treated full time year round and there wasn't the magnitude of
complaints until we went to that alternative. We have looked at
several alternatives. In going to a partial application during
the winter, it just does not have the concentration that we need
to reduce the top growth, the algae. The greatest reward we get
when we go year round is free call backs. We currently have that
on three lakes in the city. If there is any problem, typically
they respond in a two day time frame. This item has been
budgeted.
Councilman Hammond made a motion to approve this request.
Mike Visconti, 316 pine Breeze Drive, spoke about having a
retention pond in Meadow Lake subdivision and they had algae
problems and they cleaned it up. They cleaned up the algae and
put in African Carp which eats the algae. with the aerator it
does make a big difference. He suggested Council look into the
African Carp dealer.
Councilman Hammond stated he was told the Carp were put in some
of the city lakes. City Clerk Wadsworth explained that is
correct. Mr. Fegley explained that is a good supplement for the
grass but not for the surface or the algae material.
There was further discussion regarding putting African Carp in
the lakes.
Councilman Roberts asked Mr. Fegley if his department has looked
into any alternatives such as environmentally friendly systems
that would do the same job. Mr. Fegley elaborated on an
alternative they have looked at but he doesn't feel it will
completely resolve the problem of the surface algae.
Councilman Roberts made a motion to accept Item 7K.
Dick Martinez, 317 Schooner Ave., explained Edgewater Landing has
four retention ponds and they have similar problems with bottom
weeds and algae. He stated there is no one single solution.
Councilwoman Lichter seconded the motion. The motion CARRIED 4-
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L. Retaining Muller, Mintz, Kornreich, Caldwell, Casey, Crosland
and Bramnick in reference to News Journal corporation vs City of
Edgewater, Randy G. Allman, Gary W. Roberts, and Myron F. Hammond
Interim city Attorney Clayton explained this item is based on a
matter of practice in which where an attorney is going to be
called as a witness in a matter, you are going to have a
situation that becomes untenable, the witness representing the
client. The fact is that she will likely be called and it has
been confirmed by the counsel for the News Journal, as a witness
by the News Journal in their litigation against the City. It
became clear she needed to evaluate whether she could effectively
represent the City and the three named defendants. She discussed
this with her many colleagues around the state and it was clear
that the appropriate course of action would be for her to
recommend to Council the firm above after having looked at a
variety of firms.
Interim City Attorney Clayton elaborated on why the above firm
stood out over the others. She informed Council Mr. Kornreich
was available to answer any questions.
Mayor Allman spoke about the insurance policy that could
alleviate this. Interim City Attorney Clayton explained Mr.
Munoz sent a memo to Mr. Hooper and her with respect to an
insurance policy and she looked at the same information and came
to the directly opposite conclusion which is that there is
absolutely no coverage for the City under its insurance policy
for this matter because of the fact that the News Journal is not
seeking money damages and the coverage is only where monetary
damages are being sought. It also appears that there is no
coverage for the city's defense requirements. Under the policy,
it appears to be an exclusion that the city is provided no
defense at the expense of the insurer in matters of litigation.
For that reason, she sees no recourse to the insurance company
and confirmed that this morning.
Councilwoman Lichter stated this matter came up four weeks ago
and questioned if the City has asked the insurance company in
writing for a response if they would cover this type of
situation. Interim City Attorney Clayton explained the policy
itself excludes it.
Councilwoman Lichter stated there was supposed to be 20 days
response for the alleged charges and questioned who took care of
that. Interim city Attorney Clayton explained today is the
answer day and she has filed a motion for leave to extend the
time and set the hearing on that motion with Judge Orfinger for
November 17th. The motion being filed today tolls the time and
that could give the City Council time to consider her
recommendation for retaining the firm of Mr. Kornreich.
David Kornreich congratulated Council on how orderly things were
this evening. In the course of his representation of seventy
public employers, he gets to sit through many City Council
meetings. He spoke about how Council got through a controversial
agenda in an orderly manner. He promised Council a vigorous
representation. He feels their record speaks for itself.
Councilwoman Lichter stated these alleged infractions occurred
after the election but before swearing in. Does the town have an
obligation under those circumstances to defend. Interim city
Attorney Clayton stated it is her opinion they do.
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Councilwoman Lichter asked if the alleged accusations occurred
before the swearing in although the end result happened after.
Mr. Kornreich explained the law is pretty clear and once a public
official is elected that public official becomes subject to these
laws. Additionally the relief being sought in the complaint goes
to the Councilmembers forever in the future. The remedy being
sought effects you each and every day from now on.
Councilwoman Lichter questioned if it is customary to have one
law firm only presented to Councilor isn't it not more customary
to have a choice. Interim City Attorney Clayton explained when
you have matters that are routine which you have numerous firms
that can handle them with expertise, then it is appropriate to
ask for competition among the firms. In this instance, she has
already spoken to the lawyers lawyers around the state that she
has worked with in the past, and it is her recommendation that
under this circumstance that in this particular instance that we
have available to us someone whose credentials in the County are
such that it would sway at least the weight of my recommendation
although there may be others in Miami or Tallahassee, David is
within reach of this courthouse and has experience with this
courthouse.
Councilwoman Lichter questioned if there is a cap on the type of
moneys that might be put out in this type of case. Interim City
Attorney Clayton explained there is no cap because it can go on
as long as the plaintiff wishes to take it or until we can
disprove the case. In terms of cap, there is no cap other than
when the case is over.
Councilman Roberts asked for clarification regarding people being
under the impression that just the three councilpeople are named
in this suit but the City of Edgewater is named in the complaint.
Interim city Attorney Clayton explained the City is the first
named and then three individual councilmembers are named.
Councilman Roberts made a motion to retain Muller, Mintz,
Kornreich, Caldwell, Casey, Crosland and Bramnick, second by
Councilman Hammond. The motion CARRIED 3-1. Councilwoman
Lichter voted NO.
GENERAL CITIZEN COMMENTS/CORRESPONDENCE
Ed Driscoll, 26 Blue Heron Drive, commented on a problem he had
regarding animal control. He and his wife lost a family pet due
to callousness of a neighbor on North Pelican Lane. They
purposely trapped his cat in their garage for three days, under
the direction of Robin Feger, who is contrary to the law which
she helped write. By confining this cat to the garage, it was
not under the supervision of an animal control officer or anybody
qualified to do this.
Mr. Driscoll further elaborated on the situation with his cat
being ordered to be immediately put to sleep. He feels there was
a blatant disregarding by ACO Robin Feger for the laws that were
adopted by the City Council in July 1997 which she helped write.
Mr. Driscoll hopes that by him bringing this to Council's
attention he can prevent it from happening again. He feels there
was no attempt by anybody involved to contact him and his wife.
He feels some measure has to be taken so this doesn't happen
again. Mayor Allman asked Interim City Manager Hooper and
Interim City Attorney Clayton to look into this.
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Candice Natoli, 2501 35th street, feels there is a formidable
amount of names on the list pertaining to the petition she
originally presented. She asked for an accounting of the
signatures on the petition and would like to see a response to
that due to other people helping obtain signatures due to her not
being available because of her mother's home being destroyed in
New Smyrna Beach.
Ms. Natoli explained she could account for 150 names. She didn't
realize so many people were interested in the effort. She hopes
Council is as well. How can that be given so Council recognizes
the number of citizens that participated. Mayor Allman stated he
is sure the newspaper will report it.
Ms. Natoli commented on the departure of Councilman Gornto. She
questioned there being an option for the Mayor to have sent an
officer to see the man's well being before we proceeded with the
vote. She feels it seemed that we didn't know what happened to
him and we proceeded with the vote out of lack of courtesy rather
than having sent someone out and made assurance he was no longer
going to participate.
Mayor Allman explained it could be taken any different way, it
could be his way of protesting or maybe he didn't want to vote on
that matter as it was coming up. We can't speak for Councilman
Gornto.
Ms. Natoli explained her concern was that it appeared no one had
searched before the vote. Council voted and then looked for him.
She asked if Council had an option to wait until that matter was
cleared before you voted. Interim City Attorney Clayton
explained each individual elected official is responsible for his
presence at meetings.
Ms. Natoli asked out of courtesy, did he have the option to wait
until we made sure he didn't have a heart attack in the parking
lot.
Mayor Allman stated he is sure they could have given him that
option if we called another break to find out what was wrong.
Interim City Attorney Clayton explained that is not standard
practice because anyone who wishes to disrupt a meeting to begin
to behave like that, as she has said before, every elected
official is responsible for his presence at the meeting. Ms.
Natoli stated so technically we could not allow that courtesy.
Mayor Allman reiterated that Interim City Attorney Clayton said
that each individual councilmember is responsible for their own
attendance at meetings. If they chose to get up and leave, that
is their prerogative. Ms. Natoli stated but you also have the
option or could have been told you have another option. Is that
true? Interim city Attorney Clayton stated no, that is not true
and the facts speak for themselves. The Chief did go out and
check. Ms. Natoli stated after the vote. Mayor Allman stated
there was no vote on that issue. The motion died because of a
lack of a second.
City Clerk Wadsworth informed Council she did a quick count on
the signatures and there were 322 signatures on both petitions
combined but wouldn't verify that until she counts them again.
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Michael Yuhon, 1853 Evergreen Drive, agrees with Council that
while there are a lot of difficult issues and there are a lot of
things where they don't agree, it also seems to him that there
are a lot of things they do agree on and on those that they agree
there is a lot of courtesy extended. He encouraged that level of
cooperation in areas where that is possible. He doesn't agree
with everything Council does but he hopes the level of
cooperation happens and he hopes the citizens of this community,
if their side lost, get behind the new Council and help and work
together. He wished the new Council good luck.
Mike Visconti, 316 pine Breeze Drive, asked in the firing of the
city Attorney and city Manager, if we are saving money or losing
money and how much. Interim city Attorney Clayton explained that
isn't going to be measured at the moment and she guesses the best
thing one could suggest, if he wants to stay tuned and seek
accountings, the financial records will be open for inspection as
the process goes on. It is a very difficult proposition to prove
the negative.
Charles Gianino, 1909 S. Riverside Drive, unit #6, spoke about
the hiring of the new city Manager. He feels there is no way we
will get a City Manager in the City by January 2, 1998. He would
be surprised to think Council will have one by April 1, 1998. He
spoke about interviewing applicants. He feels Council is looking
at six months. He stated as far as Councilman Gornto is
concerned, he is the President of a bank. He doesn't feel anyone
should worry about how he walked out of here. He would have said
to someone to be excused. He is a professional man. He hopes
his health is well.
Andy Anderson, pine Tree Drive, stated he would be interested in
knowing if any of the people that lost in the election have
offered their services to the winners. He asked Council if that
has happened to any of them. He feels it should have. He feels
what we have in this City is a bunch of sore losers. He feels
the least they could have done was offer to help.
Interim City Attorney Clayton explained with one exception that
she is familiar with, Mayor Hayman has offered his assistance in
the transition.
Mr. Anderson stated he is talking about the ones that have lost.
He isn't talking about Mr. Hayman. He just quit.
Ed Keenan, 1905 pine Tree Drive, recalled reading many times the
Mayor/Manager magazine which supplies names of people and
recommendations. He informed Council if they can't find a new
City Manager by January or even January 15th he will be
disappointed in Council. He thinks Council will probably do a
good job doing it.
OFFICER REPORTS
city Clerk Wadsworth had nothing at this time.
Interim city Attorney
11 For information only - Completion of Dept. Of Justice
investigation re: ADA Complaint
Interim City Attorney Clayton stated the Department of Justice
has completed their investigation and found no violation of the
Americans with Disabilities Act in the Parks and Recreation
matter in which a young man was having trouble based on what he
alleged was an inability to play softball the way he wanted to.
It turned out the Department of Justice has determined that he
was too old for the league in which he wanted to play so it was
not an ADA violation. She thought Council would be pleased to
know that has been disposed of.
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Interim City Manager Hooper explained they have run ads in four
newspapers throughout Florida for the permanent City Manager
position. We have received approximately 20-25 applications.
The closing date is December 6th.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business to discuss, Councilwoman Lichter
made a motion to adjourn, second by Councilman Hammond. The
motion CARRIED 4-0. The meeting adjourned at 10:55 p.m.
Minutes submitted by:
Lisa Kruckmeyer
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