09-08-2008 - Regular Nor Ns/
CITY COUNCIL OF EDGEWATER
REGULAR MEETING
SEPTEMBER 8, 2008
7:00 P.M.
COMMUNITY CENTER
MINUTES
1. CALL TO ORDER
Mayor Thomas called the Regular Meeting to order at 7:00
p.m. in the Community Center.
ROLL CALL
Mayor Michael Thomas Present
Councilwoman Debra Rogers Present
Councilwoman Gigi Bennington Present
Councilwoman Harriet Rhodes Excused
Councilman Ted Cooper Present
Acting City Manager Tracey Barlow Present
City Clerk Bonnie Wenzel Present
Assistant City Attorney Michael Ciocchetti Present
INVOCATION, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
There was a silent invocation and pledge of allegiance to
the Flag.
2. APROVAL OF MINUTES
A. Regular Meeting of June 2, 2008
Councilman Cooper moved to approve the June 2, 2008
minutes, second by Councilwoman Rogers.
The MOTION CARRIED 4 -0.
B. Regular Meeting of June 16, 2008
Councilman Cooper moved to approve the June 16, 2008
minutes, second by Councilwoman Rogers.
The MOTION CARRIED 4 -0.
C. Regular Meeting of July 28, 2008
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Councilman Cooper moved to approve the July 28, 2008
minutes, second by Councilwoman Rogers.
The MOTION CARRIED 4 -0.
3. PRESENTATIONS /PROCLAMATIONS /PLAQUES /CERTIFICATES /DON
ATIONS
A. Boys & Girls Club - Mayor to present certificates
of appreciation for their help with the
Stormwater marking event
Tyna Hilton commented on these children helping with the
marking of the storm drains. They have helped mark 100
drains. This is a great way to let the residents know our
storm drains don't go to a wastewater plant. They go to
our rivers and lakes.
Mayor Thomas feels very strongly because he feels they are
using their rivers and oceans as a flushing ground. The
more they can make the people aware of that is very good.
Ms. Hilton stated they had plenty more to do and asked if
anyone was interested in volunteering to give her a call.
Ms. Hilton stated the youth of our community is coming
through for us. The Boys & Club have done a tremendous job
for her personally. They are her number one volunteer
source.
Mayor Thomas stated the first certificate goes to the
Edgewater Boys & Girls Club. Ms. Hilton presented a
certificate to Rex Hoffman and Dee James, who are the ones
that make the kids available and promote it. She also
recognized Team Leader Suzanne Oster, who also does
fabulous in promoting it and presented her with a
certificate.
Ms. Hilton then recognized the youth as being Cynthia
Stevens, Haley Hoskins, Bobby Griffin, and Shelby Lynn
Griffin, who were presented with a certificate from Mayor
Thomas and Trace Seph, Pamela Hicks, Shelby Jarman, Ryan
Carter and Justin Carter who were not present at the
meeting.
Ms. Hilton also mentioned a lot of these kids helping her
this past weekend with the green fair. She also thanked
the Mayor and Council for recognizing them.
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B. Presentation by Ferdinand N. Heeb (City
Representative to the MPO Citizen Advisory
Committee) regarding a proposed conceptual
traffic plan for Southeast Volusia County
Ferd Heeb, 115 N. Riverside Drive, MPO Citizen Advisory
Committee Representative for Edgewater, stated on October
15 th the MPO would start the process to develop and adopt
its 2035 Long Range Transportation Plan (LRTP). He asked
Council to review this plan and adopt it so that it will
allow himself, Ted Cooper and Darren to press the MPO for
inclusion in the LRTP. He then went over the Conceptual
Thoroughfare Plan for Southeast Volusia County. He spoke
of Florida Shores benefiting the most from this. Florida
Shores has a tendency to be landlocked. If they can build
another corridor and make connecting roads between the two
corridors people will have an alternative and it will ease
the problems that Florida Shores has where you have
constant complaints of people speeding on the north south
roads. Hopefully those people will exit Florida Shores and
use one of the corridors to go north and south. He then
commented on the impact of development east of I -95 in Oak
Hill and Edgewater. He then commented on Volco Road having
X's through it and the enclaves having their exits on Cow
Creek Road or the corridor and it will allow them to
terminate or eliminate the Volco Road section that sits in
the middle of the Turnbull Hammock.
Mr. Heeb then commented on the need for community support.
He asked Council to support this plan either with a
resolution or some method of a formal document. He
informed Council he would also be making a similar
presentation to Oak Hill, New Smyrna and Port Orange before
the end of the month. If we don't get it this time in the
2035 plan, he didn't know when we would ever see an
opportunity again to address a north -south corridor. The
time is right.
Councilman Cooper, member of the MPO, stated they are
trying to get this for all three cities involvement and
minor involvement with Port Orange at the very end. He
commented on having a second evacuation route with this
north -south corridor. A lot of that land and property
right now is readily available. It won't be in five to ten
more years. If they get this on the MPO mapping, first
they have to get it on the long -range plan. Once it gets
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on that plan it doesn't mean it necessarily gets done. It
means it becomes eligible for surveys to find out cost and
sections and things of that nature. In the meantime it
tells the developers and cities that this is coming. He
further commented on keeping the basin open. They want to
get this on this plan with a resolution from all three
cities. It may never get done but they have to get it on
the plan to ever get a shot. He commented on the people
that are expected to be coming to Florida between now and
2035. If they don't plan now they are going to be in
trouble and they are going to cost citizens their lives in
any kind of evacuation situation.
Mr. Heeb commented on the money from the MPO being spent in
Deland, Deltona, Daytona, Ormond and Port Orange over the
years. Southeast Volusia has been the hind end of
everything that has occurred. He spoke about the number of
dollars being spent in this area on transportation being
very limited over the last 15 or 20 years. This is an
opportunity to get on the bandwagon and get a piece of the
funding and get this done. He feels this is imperative.
He spoke of our quality of life suffering if we do not have
another north -south corridor. He spoke of having to deal
with water, schools, traffic in communities that are
evolving. Traffic is something we all face every day.
Mayor Thomas questioned Mr. Heeb saying this would
interrupt the Turnbull Hammock system. The way it is
designed he didn't see where this would interrupt the
Turnbull Hammock system. Mr. Heeb clarified he said it
would eliminate Volco Road. He then spoke about people
thinking Cow Creek Road was a better alternative but the
would not be able to build a grid with Cow Creek Road.
They cannot build the necessary connecting road.
Mr. Heeb commented on the way this corridor was developed.
They looked at what was there and where it would be the
least problems in driving it. He then commented on Oak
Hill growing. Mayor Thomas stated if it gets in the 2035
plan, they are going to need it at that time. The
subdivisions are already going to be there.
Councilman Cooper spoke of having them look to areas away
from the corridor for building instead of building over top
of it. Mr. Heeb commented on developers making the traffic
plan 90% of the time in evolving communities.
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Mayor Thomas asked about the bridge. He wasn't sure he
liked the bridge. Councilwoman Bennington didn't like the
bridge because it will go right over her house. Mr. Heeb
guaranteed him he didn't have to worry about the bridge.
Councilwoman Cooper mentioned the cost being astronomical
to put in a bridge. He also spoke of getting put on notice
from FEMA and the Army Corp of Engineers that our
evacuation route as New Smyrna Beach grows further down,
they aren't going to get those people across on the North
or South Causeway as it is now. They are going to be
forced to address it. The problem is there aren't a lot of
places they have a choice. Their recommendation is where
they put it in there. They want to present this to the MPO
in sections so they have an opportunity of getting some of
this done before 2035. If they don't have the bridge
included at this time it will never get there. They will
then be accused of not looking at it. They are trying to
be good stewards and they have to look ahead. They are
hoping the three cities that have the main involvement will
go with them on the whole project. They don't want it
thrown out because of the bridge. They are going to put it
into the plan in four or five categories so each one can be
adopted, as money is available to get it done. He feels
this is smart planning.
Mr. Heeb asked how they are going to make this happen.
Councilwoman Bennington asked Mr. Heeb if he needed a
resolution from them. Mr. Heeb informed her that is what
he would like. Acting City Manager Barlow suggested if
Council directs him, he could prepare a resolution and have
it before Council at the September 22 meeting, which
endorses conceptually the idea. That resolution will also
essentially authorize Mr. Heeb to represent this community
and the Council at these other affected communities in an
effort to obtain their support as well.
Councilman Cooper stated if they were to get four
resolutions like they are hoping for, they would get on the
planning at least. They would be on the map and be in the
long -term plan. That is the intent to get on there.
Mr. Heeb stated the critical thing is the date, October
15 which is when this starts and he would like to have
everything on board so when they start talking to all these
people they can say they have this resolution.
Councilwoman Bennington stated they want to be able to give
Mr. Heeb the tools he will need for the effort he has put
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in. She didn't see any reason why they couldn't do the
resolution.
4. CITIZEN COMMENTS
The following citizens spoke:
Mike Visconti, 316 Pine Breeze Drive, commented on
Restoration west of I -95. This is a rare opportunity and
the future of our City. A developer who owns 5,181 acres
of land is willing to develop 25% for the housing and a
shopping center and will keep 75% of it green space. Mr.
Don Mears Jr. is willing to spend millions of dollars on
this worthwhile project and will create jobs for all trades
and for our citizens. Edgewater held a vision workshop for
the citizens of Edgewater to express their views. He
stated Acting City Manager Barlow said he understood the
perception but was taking advantage of this opportunity
that is best for the City. His desires coming out of this
workshop is a way to look at the City of Edgewater as a
whole whether anything develops west of I -95 or not. He
wanted to inject some humor in this. He stated in the
Wizard of Oz Judy Garland plays Dorothy and a tornado hits
Kansas. He calls it his tornado here in Edgewater, the
two high rises that were going up. While Dorothy slept she
dreamed she was in the land of Oz and she wants to go home.
A good witch tells her to follow the yellow brick road to
the Emerald City, which he thinks is Restoration. On the
way she meets a scarecrow and the scarecrow needed a brain.
They must use their brains to realize that Edgewater needs
jobs and needs to grow for the sake of our City. Dorothy
and Toto walk and skip down the yellow brick road and meet
the lion. The lion is seeking courage. The City of
Edgewater needs to have the courage to move ahead.
Restoration west of 1 -95 is our opportunity to have the
courage and faith that this will be done with the utmost
care by the developer who owns the land who is willing to
develop. He then stated they couldn't forget the tin man.
He needed a heart. They need to have heart for those who
will come after them when they are long gone. Our children
and grandchildren need to live in a City they can be proud
of and the City would want to remain rather than move away
to a better place. Let's make Edgewater a better place
that we can all be proud and turn over to our next
generation. He urged them to vote.
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Bill Glaser, 1703 Needle Palm Drive, stated a few years ago
some folks became concerned about the direction the City
was taking, mostly with high rise type construction and
they circulated petitions, got 1,554 signatures to get the
35 -foot height limit on the ballot. The ballot was voted
on and about 51% of the folks voted for the height limit,
49% voted against it. In the ensuing couple of years there
has been a number of folks that have come to the podium and
spoke against the 35 -foot height limit. His counting them
was probably about 20 folks, five of them were on the
Charter Review Committee and recommended that the 35 foot
height limit, revoking it, be put on the ballot. His take
on it is that these folks came down here for three minutes
a few times and complained and so essentially those 20
folks, maybe 25 if you include the red shirts, have the
opportunity of having something put on the ballot that
might overturn the desires of the 2,500 folks that voted
for the height limit. What would have been fair in his
estimation is if those folks felt that passionate about
this that they got out there and pounded the sidewalk, or
maybe he should have said pavement because there are no
sidewalks in Florida Shores and circulated petitions and
got enough signatures to come down here and have the City
put it on the ballot. Essentially without doing any work
other than coming down here and complaining for three
minutes, they got three votes to put this on the ballot and
maybe after the last election maybe they knew they had the
three votes to get it on the ballot and didn't feel like
they needed to use their shoe leather.
Dominic Capria, 606 Topside Circle, stated the ballot, 35-
foot heights, City Charter. The reason it is going on the
ballot as he understands it is because the City Charter
states 1.01(1)(a) he believed it was. He would really like
to know exactly what the wording would be on the ballot.
It is confusing, not to them because they come to the
meetings but it will be confusing to the City.
Acting City Manager Barlow stated he didn't know the exact
language but they had the exact language located on the
website but he didn't have it present tonight to read word
for word. Mr. Capria stated in other words you don't know.
Acting City Manager Barlow stated he didn't commit it to
memory, no.
5. CITY COUNCIL REPORTS
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Councilwoman Rogers had nothing at this time.
Councilwoman Bennington stated the bids for the Animal
Shelter were going to be opened Friday. We are moving
right along on that. She wanted to say she was really
surprised Saturday at the Visioning Program they had. She
didn't know what to expect but she thought it was very
educational and very informative. They had a lot more
participation from the citizens than she expected. She was
thankful Acting City Manager Barlow came up with this and
they went ahead with this. She looked forward to the
results of it.
Councilman Cooper read his report into the record.
(Attached)
Mayor Thomas thanked Mike Visconti for going to the WAV
meeting with his rain barrel. He spoke of the day he went
we were in the middle of Tropical Storm Fay but he still
went.
Mayor Thomas reported that WAV has agreed to partner and
support the desal plant in Flagler County along with a lot
of other cities in Volusia County. He feels this is a
progressive thing in water conservation.
Mayor Thomas concurred with Councilwoman Bennington and he
congratulated Acting City Manager Barlow for his foresight
into the future of Edgewater. If you build anything, you
have to have a set of plans. The set of plans was here and
all of the residents of Edgewater were invited to attend
this meeting. The maps were put on the wall. On all of
the maps the bad dots and good dots were placed in the same
place and they were all in different groups. He
appreciated the City workers of Edgewater who worked long
hours picking up the debris in our ditches in case another
storm came so our City would not flood. He congratulated
whomever on our stormwater plan that we had no houses in
the City of Edgewater under water. It's working good. He
noticed when he was riding around that people are not
shoveling out the dirt and debris that gets in their
culverts. This stormwater plan is designed at an elevation
where it goes through your culvert and the next culvert and
if yours is stopped up then that water is going to be
trapped. They had a few streets that were a little bit
under water. It only takes five minutes to go out there
and clear your culverts. He would like to put that in the
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newsletter to inform the citizens. He realizes it is not
their job and it is the City's job but they can help. If
they could help do that he would appreciate it.
6. CONSENT AGENDA
A. Approval to use Carmeuse Natural Chemicals for
the purchase of Quicklime and Airgas Gas
Operations for purchase of Liquid Carbon Dioxide
B. Workers Compensation Insurance renewal premium,
for the period from October 1, 2008 through
October 1, 2009
C. Crime /Employee Dishonesty and Environmental
Liability Insurance renewal premium, for the
period from October 1, 2008 through October 1,
2009
D. Employee Benefits: health, dental and life
insurance renewal premium, for the period from
October 1, 2008 through October 1, 2009
Acting City Manager Barlow made a staff presentation
regarding each Consent Agenda item.
Councilwoman Bennington moved to approve the Consent
Agenda, second by Councilwoman Rogers.
The MOTION CARRIED 4 -0.
7. PUBLIC HEARINGS, ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS
A. Ord. 2008 -0 -11 - Setting the Final Millage Rate
of $5.9000 mills for real and personal property
and $0.033047 mills for Voted Debt Service for
the City for Fiscal Year 2008 -2009
Assistant City Attorney Ciocchetti read Ord. 2008 -0 -11 into
the record.
Finance Director John McKinney made a staff presentation.
Councilman Cooper stated they were hoping to get to a 5.4.
He knows at the last Council meeting they were saving money
with insurance and they were all getting excited about it.
He asked his thoughts about why they couldn't get that 5.4.
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Acting City Manager Barlow explained they started at 6.4
and the goal presented was 5.9 in the budget workshop.
Finance Director McKinney stated last year at 5.2 mills we
collected $6.2 million. Going down from 5.2, but we are
less than roll back, going from 5.2 to 5.9 mills, we are
bringing in $500,000 less in revenue this year than we did
last year. If they go to 5.4 mills, that would be over $1
million less than last year or $500,000 less than currently
budgeted for 08/09.
Councilman Cooper stated so basically the explanation is
the expenses have gone up drastically, even with all the
savings, it still didn't quite offset the huge increases we
had to incur throughout the year and we are incurring now.
Mayor Thomas asked how much the budget raised from last
year. Finance Director McKinney stated our budget raised
$200,000 roughly total. That $200,000 was debt proceeds.
He had to build into the budget the debt proceeds for the
new vehicle leases. In reality it was a status quo budget.
Councilwoman Bennington stated and that is with keeping all
of our present employees and the services at the same
level. Finance Director McKinney confirmed that was
correct. Councilman Cooper commented on upgrading some
capital expenditure items. Finance Director McKinney also
informed Council we also maintain our 15% Charter mandate
reserve.
Councilwoman Rogers stated one of the things has to do with
the revenue sharing with the State. We had a decrease in
that. She asked approximately how much that was. Finance
Director McKinney stated out of $1 million they slated for
us to receive in the one municipal sharing, we are only
guaranteed to receive $67,000. He was very conservative.
Last year we collected $670,000 and he budgeted less than
$350,000 in our budget for next year. Councilwoman Rogers
asked the reasons why our revenue sharing would be lower.
She asked Finance Director McKinney if he looked into what
they could do so next year it could be higher or if it was
something that was mandated by the State and it not being a
function of something we do. Finance Director McKinney
stated our sales tax collection is down. Across the board,
the total collections for the State is even in a worse
situation than the City of Edgewater. They are eating into
their reserves.
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Councilwoman Rogers confirmed what he was saying was last
fiscal year we received $667,000 and then this year we have
$350,000 that he has in the budget that we hope to get but
previously he made mention of $67,000. Finance Director
McKinney didn't recall talking about that. Some of his
counterparts only budgeted the guarantee portion.
Councilwoman Rogers went back to the Transportation Impact
Fee and stated he adjusted the figure down based upon
Agenda Item 9C. She asked what it was previously. Finance
Director informed her it was at $1 million. There was an
error on that calculation that he did correct right after
the meeting before they discussed the change. They talked
about that in the Enterprise Workshop and he made the
change after the General Fund Workshop.
Councilwoman Rogers stated so Item 9C that they are looking
at the $662,000 from the Traffic Impact Fee they want to
use toward the funding of paving for Rowan and Base Leg, he
has already taken the $662,000 out of there so it is gone
and spent and allocated. Finance Director McKinney stated
the only thing left in next year's budget is the amount set
aside for sidewalks. Councilwoman Rogers asked if it was
the $45,000. Finance Director McKinney informed her that
is the revenue coming in only. Councilwoman Rogers asked
about the Stormwater. He has on the books $1.4. She asked
what it was previous to the change. Finance Director
McKinney informed her that didn't change. That's next
year's operations only. They don't have any working
capital to go from this year to next year so that didn't
change at all. Councilwoman Rogers stated so the $1.38 we
have sitting for agenda Item 9B that we are going to be
forgiven, he was saying it has already been accounted for.
Finance Director McKinney informed her it was on the
balance sheet.
Councilwoman Rogers asked about having the 15% in the
Charter reserve. Finance Director McKinney stated it would
increase in this next year's budget by $140,000 if
everything goes good.
Mayor Thomas opened the public hearing.
The following citizen spoke:
John Profitt, 607 N. Riverside Drive, stated on the tax
bill, the Edgewater Community Center on his tax bill is
$8,608. He asked what that was for. Finance Director
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McKinney informed him the Edgewater Community Center is
here they have the meeting but he explained Edgewater's
portion of his tax bill for him.
Mayor Thomas closed the public hearing and entertained a
motion.
Councilwoman Bennington moved to approve Ord. 2008 -0 -11,
Setting the Final Millage Rate of $5.9000 mills for real
and personal property and $0.033047 mills for Voted Debt
Service for the City for Fiscal Year 2008 -2009, second by
Councilman Cooper.
The MOTION CARRIED 4 -0.
B. 1St Reading, Ord. 2008 -0 -12 - Adopting the final
budget and providing for appropriations and
effective date for the City for Fiscal Year 2008-
2009
Assistant City Attorney Ciocchetti read Ord. 2008 -0 -12 into
the record.
Acting City Manager Barlow made a staff presentation.
There have been no additional changes.
Mayor Thomas opened the public hearing.
Councilman Cooper wanted clarification. Where they get
into action requested where it says Acting City Manager to
approve the acquisition of all budgeted capital outlays,
request less than $50,000 in accordance with the purchasing
policy. He asked that this be explained.
Finance Director McKinney explained he has detailed by
department the exact capital outlay for vehicles and other
items and when they come here on September 22, 2008 for the
final reading, they can put out the necessary purchase
orders to get on the list with Ford, Chevy or whoever it is
and we are months ahead of the game so we get first call on
getting these vehicles. He has been very specific in what
they are ordering.
Councilman Cooper stated these are items that are outlined
in the present budget that have been submitted to
everybody. This does not change in the Charter where we
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have the City Manager has access to $15,000 and no more.
Finance Director McKinney informed him that was correct.
Acting City Manager Barlow explained essentially what that
does is since they saw a very detailed budget, they still
do the same bidding process and look for the best deal out
there. It provides some efficiencies and streamlines the
process so they don't keep coming back to Council for the
same thing over and over again.
Councilman Cooper commented on concerns he has heard from
the citizens being in accordance with the Purchasing
Policy. They wanted to know if he was changing the
purchasing policy from the Charter. He informed them that
wasn't what this was about.
Mayor Thomas closed the public hearing and entertained a
motion.
Councilwoman Rogers moved to approve Ord. 2008 -0 -12,
Adopting the final budget and providing for appropriations
and effective date for the City for Fiscal Year 2008 -2009,
second by Councilwoman Bennington.
The MOTION CARRIED 4 -0.
C. 2 Reading - Ord. 2008 -0 -01 - Amending Article I
(General), Chapter 11 (Occupational Licenses,
Taxes and Regulations) of the Code of Ordinances
to reflect the name change to Business Tax
Receipts and the addition of the Certificate of
Use Permit
Assistant City Attorney Ciocchetti read Ord. 2008 -0 -01 into
the record.
Acting City Manager Barlow made a staff presentation. This
is changing what used to be called Occupational License to
be called now Business Tax Receipt consistent with State
Statute changes and the addition of the Certificate of Use.
The only change at the request of Council that was made
from first to second reading was the fees stayed status
quo. It was a majority of the Council's desire to maintain
fees and not to increase those fees.
Councilwoman Bennington stated she got her renewal notice
for her occupational license and she was overwhelmed at the
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price. Acting City Manager Barlow asked her if she was
talking about her first notice or her second notice.
Councilwoman Bennington stated it was her first notice and
it was $40.00. She thought it was a good idea to hold them
at bay. She was pleased with that.
Due to there being no further comments, Mayor Thomas opened
and closed the public hearing and entertained a motion.
Councilwoman Bennington moved to accept Ord. 2008 -0 -01,
Amending Article I (General), Chapter 11 (Occupational
Licenses, Taxes and Regulations) of the Code of Ordinances
to reflect the name change to Business Tax Receipts and the
addition of the Certificate of Use Permit, second by
Councilwoman Rogers.
The MOTION CARRIED 4 -0.
Mayor Thomas called a ten - minute recess at this time. The
meeting recessed at 8:00 p.m. and reconvened at 8:10 p.m.
D. 2 Reading - Ord. 2008 -0 -02 - Amending Articles
II, III, IV, V, VII, IX, XVII and XIX of the Land
Development Code to reflect that Occupational
Licenses are now Business Tax Receipts
Assistant City Attorney Ciocchetti read Ord. 2008 -0 -02 into
the record.
Acting City Manager Barlow made a staff presentation.
Due to there being no comments, Mayor Thomas opened and
closed the public hearing and entertained a motion.
Councilman Cooper moved to approve Ord. 2008 -0 -02, Amending
Articles II, III, IV, V, VII, IX, XVII and XIX of the Land
Development Code to reflect that Occupational Licenses are
now Business Tax Receipts, second by Councilwoman Rogers.
The MOTION CARRIED 4 -0.
E. 1 Reading - Ord. 2008 -0 -09 - James C. Carder
requesting an amendment to the Official Zoning
Map to include 7.18+ acres of land as B -3
(Highway Commercial) and 22.49+ acres of land as
R -1 (Single Family Residential), property is
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located east of US Highway 1 and north of Godfrey
Road
Assistant City Attorney Ciocchetti read Ord. 2008 -0 -09 into
the record.
Development Services Director Darren Lear made a staff
presentation.
Mayor Thomas opened the public hearing.
Don Beager, 2000 E. Robinson Street, Orlando, stated he
fully supports Darren and the staff report for the rezoning
of the commercial and residential portion of the property.
Mayor Thomas asked how may gopher tortoises were on the
property. Mr. Beager informed him that would be found out
once the environmental report has been completed. Mayor
Thomas asked if he knew if there were any there now. Mr.
Beager informed him there were. Mayor Thomas stated that
tells him if it is high and dry or not. Mr. Beager
informed him it was high and dry.
Councilman Cooper asked Mr. Beager to give a brief synopsis
of what they actually plan to do other than single family
homes with the front commercial piece. Mr. Beager stated
the only thing they are keying in on is the 42 residential
units in the back and a single stormwater pond would be
towards the back using the natural slope and heading back
into the wetlands. They are currently looking at doing no
wetland impacts. He has worked with Darren to come up with
a preliminary plan that they had approved approximately
eight months ago but maintaining that same design and
dimension with some of those units also going out onto
Godfrey Road. They will be going to the County and
coordinating with the County for the ingress /egress at U.S.
1 and Godfrey. They are going to go through that
procedure. Once both of these are done at the end of this
month hopefully then they will come in and they will start
construction plans and work with the County to widen that
so they have a dedicated left hand turn out of Godfrey onto
U.S. 1 and a right hand turn also.
Councilwoman Cooper asked about the cost of the homes and
if they had gotten that far in the planning. Mr. Beager
stated he hadn't done that yet but they went to the R -1
zoning for the larger lots to put a larger unit on there.
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Due to there being no public comment, Mayor Thomas closed
the public hearing and entertained a motion.
Councilwoman Bennington moved to adopt Ord. 2008 -0 -09,
James C. Carder requesting an amendment to the Official
Zoning Map to include 7.18+ acres of land as B -3 (Highway
Commercial) and 22.49+ acres of land as R -1 (Single Family
Residential), property is located east of US Highway 1 and
north of Godfrey Road, second by Councilwoman Rogers.
The MOTION CARRIED 4 -0.
8. BOARD APPOINTMENTS
There were no Board Appointments at this time.
9. OTHER BUSINESS
A. Historic tree removal - 418 -420 North Ridgewood
Avenue, requesting the removal of one 48"
Historic Live Oak Tree and one 36" Historic Live
Oak Tree
Development Services Director Lear made a staff
presentation.
Councilwoman Bennington asked how big the replacement trees
would have to be. Mr. Lear informed her they had to be a
minimum of 2 4 inches at six inches above the soil line as
a replacement tree and they would get 34 of those trees.
Acting City Manager Barlow commented on wanting to start a
planting strip in front of Public Works and towards the
Animal Shelter as well.
Councilwoman Bennington stated they mentioned they could
replace the trees or pay $14,000. What is it going to cost
to replace these trees? Mr. Lear stated it wouldn't be as
much as paying into the tree fund. To get 34 trees is a
lot less.
Councilwoman Bennington suggested having them pay into the
tree fund and buying as many trees as they can. Acting
City Manager Barlow stated when they have to plant those
trees, their labor plants those trees. When he says that
the $14,000 doesn't account for the labor it would take our
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staff to plant those trees. Mayor Thomas commented on
this being a medical facility and being needed in
Edgewater. He feels they should work on it. He thinks the
planting of the trees in the location they want to put them
would beautify the City.
Councilwoman Bennington stated she was looking at it from
an accounting standpoint. Mr. Lear stated another issue is
that if they go looking for trees they are going to charge
a lot more than they would an individual to buy trees
wholesale.
Councilwoman Bennington stated once these trees are planted
we are responsible for maintaining them and making sure
they live. If any of them die, do they have to be replaced
by the people? Acting City Manager Barlow stated the
requirement is one year. They are going to install an
irrigation system as well.
Councilman Cooper asked if the cost would balance itself
off when they put the labor and stuff in. Mr. Lear
informed him that was correct.
Councilwoman Bennington confirmed the recommendation of
staff was to allow them to plant the trees on City
property. Mayor Thomas asked if it was okay with the
applicant.
Dr. Lo, 501 Live Oak Street, New Smyrna Beach, confirmed
they would do whatever the Council wanted them to do.
Mayor Thomas informed him they wanted to work with them.
Dr. Lo stated they are trying to bring in a medical
facility into Edgewater and bring in as many doctors as
possible. It will be a very good- looking building. By
doing it will bring a lot of good things to the community.
Councilman Cooper commended and thanked Dr. Lo for bringing
a medical facility to our town.
Councilwoman Bennington stated she didn't mean to sound
greedy but she was trying to get the biggest bang for our
dollar. She is doing Debra's job.
Councilwoman Bennington moved to accept staff's
recommendation and allow the applicant to plant the
required trees, second by Councilwoman Rogers.
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The MOTION CARRIED 4 -0.
B. Forgive the 2007 Advance to Stormwater Utility
Fund
Finance Director McKinney made a staff presentation. In
the current fiscal year he is trying to set up an operating
transfer from the General Fund from the proceeds from the
sale of the ParkTowne property and move it over to the
Stormwater Utility Fund. Currently the Stormwater Utility
Fund is showing a loan advance to the General Fund of the
$1,387,000. By Council allowing the approval of the
forgiveness of that advance it would have last year been an
operating transfer that would have never had a repayment
anyway. Councilwoman Rogers stated he made it sounds like
it was an advance to the General Fund when in fact it was
the other way around. Mr. McKinney confirmed it was an
advance to the Stormwater Fund. Right now there is a
liability sitting out there in the Stormwater Fund to pay
off the General Fund.
Councilwoman Bennington stated simply put this is just a
housekeeping issue. Mr. McKinney informed her that was
correct. In. the CAFR there is an audit comment that
specifically addresses the 2007 expenditures exceeded the
legal level of appropriations. He is just rectifying part
of that audit comment. Councilwoman Rogers stated at the
same time to jump ahead to Item 9C where they are taking
transportation impact fee proceeds for the paving. When it
is all said and done when B & C are complete they have not
forgiven $1.387 million, they have actually forgiven $1.05
million when they net the two together. She commended Mr.
McKinney for trying to clean up a previous mistake and in
doing so he has caught it, cleaned it and at the same time
by doing an additional item he has saved them $334,000.
That is going to come up on the next agenda.
Due to there being no further comments, Mayor Thomas
entertained a motion.
Councilwoman Rogers made a motion to forgive the 2007
advance to the Stormwater Utility Fund, second by
Councilwoman Bennington.
The MOTION CARRIED 4 -0.
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C. Use of Transportation Impact Fee proceeds for the
construction of Rowan Way and Base Leg Drive,
within ParkTowne Industrial Center
Finance Director McKinney made a staff presentation. Not
only did they do stormwater but they built some brand new
roads that qualifies for the use of the transportation
impact fees. He is asking because they can't use it in
prior years. That again was an unbudgeted item for the
Base Leg and Rowan Way road construction. He is asking to
assign a revenue source to the use of the funds that they
use to pay for the road construction in the General
Construction Fund.
Councilman Cooper asked Mr. McKinney if he was saying out
of the $800 some odd thousand dollars, he wanted to charge
this $662,000 to that account. Mr. McKinney stated by this
action they would be transferring the $662,000 from the
Transportation Impact Fee Fund to the General Construction
Fund, which is where the road construction costs occurred.
Essentially they are reimbursing the General Fund for the
cash that they have loaned to the General Construction Fund
to construct these two roads. This was unbudgeted so he is
cleaning up the budget and this dollar value is so great he
can't just do that.
Councilwoman Rogers stated he has indicated where it says
specified budget amendment is required and he indicated yes
and when they asked a question regarding the actual millage
and approval of the budget he said it was already within
this budget so then therefore a budget amendment would not
be required if it is already in the budget. Mr. McKinney
stated this is the current year so he is only correcting
the current year budget that was not appropriated. If they
allow the transfer of these funds, then it won't be in next
year's budget because it is zero. There is a specific
timing and format that they have to do on the budget and
millage and if he included this in the budget and millage
that would impact their first second reading.
Councilwoman Bennington stated so this is planning for
2007 -2008 not the 2008 -2009 budget. Mr. McKinney stated
once this is approved he will do the necessary budget
amendment showing the do to and do from. Councilwoman
Bennington stated so it is a budget amendment. Mr.
McKinney stated this fiscal year and then what will happen
is once this budget amendment takes place this will show in
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the amended final budget that gets produced and given to
everyone after the final reading. Acting City Manager
Barlow stated this would clean up this year's audit as
well. Mr. McKinney stated this is clearing away two total
comments that our expenditures exceed our legal level of
appropriations.
Councilman Cooper asked with this fund being removed is it
going to affect the road improvements they already
prioritized last month. Mr. McKinney informed him no
because the transportation impact fee funds can only be
used for new and expanded service, it couldn't be used for
road repaving and road maintenance.
Councilman Cooper stated so the money they pigeonholed for
redoing the roads and they already set priorities is a
different area of money altogether. Mr. McKinney confirmed
he was correct. Councilwoman Bennington stated and a
different year.
Councilwoman Rogers stated the sale of ParkTowne was $4.7
million. When we sold ParkTowne we had a debt and that was
to FIND of $2.5 million. The paving total is $1.71 million
and the stormwater incurred for that area is $1.6 million,
which is an additional $3.3 million that wasn't accounted
for when they sold ParkTowne. That is $3.3 million the
City has had to deal with between last fiscal year and this
fiscal year. It was not accounted for correctly in the
last year's budget so our new Finance Director has had to
straighten that mess out plus coming forward. In doing so
that is why they had to forgive the previous balance in
stormwater to correct that and now this traffic impact fee,
they are using those moneys as they should but it is also
to our advantage in the manner that the Finance Director
has presented it to them. That is why in the end they are
saving $334,000 on the forgiveness of that stormwater
balance. $4.7 million is what ParkTowne was sold for.
When it was sold there was a problem with whether or not it
was conveyed in the contract that Base Leg Drive and Rowan
Way would be paved if it was included in the $4.7 million
or not included. They didn't go and have legal counsel
check this out as thoroughly as she would have wanted. The
majority of the Council voted that the City was obligated
to build those roads. In doing that the City was also made
obligated to deal with the stormwater so it cost the City
$3.3 million. She feels responsible that she needs to
clarify and bring that out in the open. She didn't approve
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for the advertisement of ParkTowne to be sold at $4.7
million, which was below appraisal. She also did not
approve for that financing agreement with the new owner,
MGM, for ParkTowne because in allowing them to do an
installment purchase, our funds we didn't receive readily.
We still had the debt on the land as we are aware and we
have in fact received the first installment. The second
and final installment of $1.2 million will not be received
until February 2009. When we do receive it, it will not be
enough to pay off the debt we still have in ParkTowne. When
it is all said and done we will still owe $800,000. She is
totally dismayed that the Council was led to follow a
previous Finance Director. She commended Mr. McKinney
because he has done such a wonderful job in bringing this
out and he is doing his very best to clean it up.
Mayor Thomas asked for public comment.
The following citizen spoke:
Bill Glaser, 1703 Needle Palm Drive, stated he vaguely
remembers the City Council meeting where this was discussed
back in 2006. A question was asked of the city Attorney
whether they were obligated to pave those roads. The City
Attorney said that he had looked at the documents, bill of
sale or whatever the agreements were and that they were not
obligated to do this paving. That is when they got the
$3.3 million, $300,000 a year for 18 years or whatever it
was. Now they are telling them this didn't happen?
Instead of owing $3.3 million, we now only owe $800,000 or
whatever it is?
Councilwoman Rogers stated $4.7 million is what the sale
price was. $4.7 million and $6.2 million is the total
amount of the debt. The difference is $1.5 million. We
had equity built up in the land and that is why they are
only looking at the $800,000 net that they are going to
have to deal with. When we get our final payment in
February 2009 we will have a balance of $800,000. If we
didn't have equity in the land we would have had a higher
balance. Any gain we could have had we have already lost
because we incurred the additional liabilities of the
stormwater and the paving of those two roads.
Councilwoman Rogers made a motion to approve the use of
Transportation Impact Fee proceeds for the construction of
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Rowan Way and Base Leg Drive within ParkTowne Industrial
Center, second by Councilwoman Bennington.
The MOTION CARRIED 4 -0.
10. OFFICER REPORTS
A. City Clerk
City Clerk Wenzel had nothing at this time.
B. City Attorney
Assistant City Attorney Ciocchetti had nothing at this
time.
C. City Manager
Acting City Manager Barlow commented on his conversation
with the Mayor of NSB and Mayor Tomas. His concerns were it
has been quite some time since they have had an event where
the Southeast Volusia Councils and Commissioners come
together once a year in a workshop format and talk about
issues going forward that affect Southeast Volusia. It is
something that was done in the past and appeared to be very
successful. He has contacted Steve Dennis of the Chamber
who facilitated those in the past and he has agreed and
picked up the ball and started running with it and they are
looking at Friday, November 14 of putting together a
consortium so all the Southeast Volusia Council's can get
together in a workshop.
Councilwoman Bennington asked if it would be in the
morning. Acting City Manager Barlow commented on it
starting in the morning and Mr. Dennis gets some local
businesses to donate some refreshments and they usually
wrap up around 2 p.m. He feels this is extremely
beneficial for Southeast Volusia. Before the 19 he would
be asking the Council for three major topics they would
like to talk about.
Councilwoman Bennington commented on Steve Dennis being
very good at these types of things.
Mayor Thomas would like Acting City Manager Barlow to see
if he could move it to November 7 instead. Acting City
Manager Barlow agreed to shoot for November 7th
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Acting City Manager Barlow reminded Council that the
September 15 Council meeting was moved to September 22
Acting City Manager Barlow reminded the Council and the
citizens that the second Visioning Workshop would be
September 20 They will give a recap of the great work
everybody did on September 6 and they will finalize up
with a draft and they will present the draft on October
20
Acting City Manager Barlow suggested moving the December 1st
Council meeting to December 8 He recommended they cancel
the December 15 and only have one meeting in December and
cancel the January 19 Council meeting due to the Martin
Luther King Jr. holiday.
1) Tentative Agenda Items
There were no Tentative Agenda Items to be discussed at
this time.
11. CITIZEN COMMENTS
The following citizens spoke:
Mike Visconti, 316 Pine Breeze Drive, asked Council about
the 34 trees they just discussed. He asked if they could
add to the beautification of the medians along U.S. #1
using Crepe Myrtles. Acting City Manager Barlow didn't
think they qualified for what they are taking down. Mr.
Lear also commented on having issues with DOT and trying to
get it permitted. Acting City Manager Barlow stated DOT is
pretty particular about what they put in their medians.
Mr. Visconti stated he knew that but they already have some
Crepe Myrtles on the medians already. Mr. Lear confirmed
they didn't qualify for replacement of what is taken down.
Councilman Cooper asked about the young gentleman that came
in for his house and the trees they have coming from that.
He asked if they qualify. Mr. Lear informed him it was the
same. Acting City Manager Barlow stated they would be
planted in that same general vicinity.
Mr. Visconti urged the people of Edgewater to vote yes for
the deletion of the 35 -foot building height restriction
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from the City Charter and to vote no for the dwelling unit
per twenty acres permitted for lands west of I -95.
Variance procedures are provided. He feels this would be
in the best interest of the City.
Councilwoman Bennington stated years ago they had a
gentleman who compared the Council to Alice in Wonderland.
She likes the Wizard of Oz much better.
Bill Glaser, 1703 Needle Palm Drive, stated he was perusing
the July 19, 1999 Council Minutes and back in 2007 when
they were having this big contest about whether or not they
could have a General Election in an odd year and they had
these constitutional scholars that came up and belittled
them all how stupid they were and everybody knows you can't
have a General Election in an odd year. Back in July of
1999 Resolution #99 -R -11 requesting approval to announce
Primary Election date of October 5 1999 and General
Election date of November 2, 1999. Apparently they were
pretty stupid back in 1999 also. Maybe they didn't have
the constitutional scholars back then to straighten them
out.
12. ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business to discuss, Councilwoman
Bennington moved to adjourn. The meeting adjourned at 8:50
p.m.
Minutes submitted by:
Lisa Bloomer
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Councilman Dist. #4 Ted Cooper Report:
YMCA Board meeting held on August 28 ", at noon. The consolidation is complete and
the search for a new CEO has been hired. Teresa Rogers from Jacksonville, FL.
18 years experience with the YMCA as a leader.
Currently Chief Operating Officer of 10 full service branches, 2 Corporate and
Community Wellness Departments
Budget responsibilities of $15 million dollars and staffing of 650 people.
She is moving into the area and will begin transitioning into her new position of CEO of
the Southeast Volusia Family YMCA's.
October 4 from 6:00 to 9:00 PM is the Membership Celebration Dinner
October 25 6:00 to 8:00 PM is the Halloween party at the YMCA. Looking for
Adult Costume entrants.
MPO Meeting on August 26 @ 8:00 AM
It was approved to reduce the local matching funds for the XU Bicycle and
Pedestrian Projects.
The widening of Clyde Morris Blvd. project was moved forward, which is actually
a project of sidewalks and entranceways serviced by the Embry Riddle project.
A report was giving on the Freight Study, looking into the miss use and future use
of heavy trucks using residential roadways as cut trough routes.
I proposed talks and up and coming resolution for a north/south corridor to be
placed in the long range plan. We will hear a presentation on this tonight from Ferd Heeb
member of the Citizens Advisory Committee on this project.
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Council Report for 9/8/2008 Mtg. Cont.
An Announcement was made that the county has passed the light rail project onto
it next phase in the process. Money is still the big issue on if it will ever become a reality.
I proposed we begin conversation with Gov. Office on the new release of funds for
projects that have been canceled due to lack of funds. The Gov. released 38.9 billion
dollars.
That completes my Report.
Ted Cooper Dist. #4 Councilman