07-13-2011 - Joint CRA Workshop CITY COUNCIL OF EDGEWATER
JOINT CRA WORKSHOP
CITY COUNCIL & PLANNING & ZONING BOARD
JULY 13, 2011
6:00 P.M.
COUNCIL CHAMBERS
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1. CALL TO ORDER
Mayor Thomas called the Workshop to order at 6:00 p.m. in the Council
Chambers.
ROLL CALL
Mayor Michael Thomas Present
Councilman Justin Kennedy Present
Councilwoman Gigi Bennington Absent
Councilman Michael Ignasiak Present
Councilman Ted Cooper Absent
City Manager Tracey Barlow Present
City Clerk Bonnie Wenzel Present
City Attorney Carolyn Ansay Present
Assistant City Attorney Aaron Wolfe Present
Development Services Director Darren Lear Present
PLANNING & ZONING BOARD
Agnes Witter Present
Gene Emter Present
John Weiss Present
Robert McIntosh Present
Jean Kayat Present
Pat Card Present
Edwin Vopelak Present
2. DISCUSSION OF CRA DISTRICT
A. City Manager Barlow
City Manager Barlow commented on the purpose of tonight and the
history that got them here. He recognized in the audience Robert
Lott, Chairman of the Economic Development Board, Samantha Bishop
Executive Director with the Southeast Volusia Chamber of Commerce,
Bliss Jamison of the Economic Development Board and County
Councilwoman Joie Alexander.
City Manager Barlow identified this as needing to be a partnership
between the City of Edgewater and the County Council.
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City Manager Barlow explained the purpose of the workshop was to
provide direction to staff and the consultants going forward regarding
key issues and opportunities and discuss future improvements on the
Ridgewood area where they are contemplating establishing a Community
Redevelopment Agency (CRA) District. He further spoke of this not
being a new concept for Edgewater, identifying a CRA District was one
of their goals in the Comprehensive Plan prior to 2002. In June 2002
they transmitted a blighted study to the County where they considered
the ParkTowne area and the Airport for an opportunity for a CRA. He
spoke of the Visioning Session that was done in the summer of 2008.
It was referenced in that document that there was a need for a
redevelopment area in Edgewater. In 2009 they established a Committee
and constructed a comprehensive economic development strategy which
identified areas they needed to work on within Edgewater to attract
future economic development. He spoke of the goals and timelines that
were established. In 2010 they hired Kimley Horn & Associates and
they did a finding of necessity to determine if an area qualified as a
blighted area based on State Statutes. In 2011 the City adopted a
Resolution that identified what the large district that qualified
looked like.
City Manager Barlow explained they were going to talk about what they
would like the first CRA district to look like, some of the pros and
cons and some of the projects they want to see in there. The
consultants would take that and would be able to put together a master
redevelopment plan. We are one of the few communities our size within
the County that does not have a CRA District.
City Manager Barlow then introduced Marty Black from Kimley Horn &
Associates.
Marty Black, Kimley Horn & Associates, commented on highlighting the
need for the City of Edgewater to examine the opportunity to create a
Community Redevelopment Plan and Community Redevelopment Area. He
spoke of the goals and objectives identified in the Economic
Development Strategic Plan. The overall study did not define a
specific geographic area.
Mr. Black further commented on Florida Statutes setting forth the
criteria the City must demonstrate to Volusia County and any
interested party whether this area qualifies. He further commented on
the steps to create a Community Redevelopment Area and Community
Redevelopment Plan. Because Volusia County is a Charter County,
Edgewater does not have the ability to establish a CRA or Community
Redevelopment Area and has to have Volusia County as a partner.
Mr. Black explained what had been done was the City had adopted a plan
by resolution. What had not been done was having Volusia County
delegate authority to create a CRA. He spoke of having a negotiation
process that occurs between the City and the County to establish the
CRA.
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Mr. Black commented on looking at what was a reasonable approach for
the City. He suggested instead of trying to manage a large portion
that may qualify that they do a small portion that they can manage and
have the biggest impact for the City and the County.
Mr. Black referred to a map that showed the area that qualified within
the City of Edgewater under the Florida Statutes and another map of
the corridor along Ridgewood that reflects a lot of existing
conditions such as too many driveways, landscaping issues, and land
use components where they may be under utilization of properties.
They have scaled it back.
Mr. Black then discussed the qualification of conditions of the
Ridgewood area such as defective stormwater facilities, no sidewalks
along the south side of U.S. #1, lack of infrastructure, historic
properties that don't meet the land development standards. Their
focus tonight was from the north City limits to SR 442 along Ridgewood
Avenue with regard to what kinds of improvements are needed. He
further spoke of the school crossing area being dangerous and not the
safest area.
Greg Witherspoon, Canin & Associates, introduced his team, Jurgen
Duncan and Andy Hughes and went through the attached Powerpoint
Presentation. (Attached)
Mr. Witherspoon provided details about the kinds of opportunities that
may exist along the corridor and how those ideas could be applied up
and down the corridor such as creating a more walkable pedestrian
environment, trees, safety, and architecture to create place. He
further spoke of the different characteristics and different
components along the corridor. He identified spots they thought
illustrated opportunity with regard to the roadways and buffers,
landscaping and creating a signature palate. He also identified there
were 100 - 150 non - compliant driveways and curb ramps that needed to
be addressed for public safety and opportunities for funding for
improvements with regard to grant moneys. He further commented on
addressing the stormwater up and down the corridor.
Mr. Witherspoon spoke of focusing on the south gateway and connecting
the pedestrians to Veterans Park by delineating a walking path
separated from the car movement. He further identified the
intersection at U.S. #1 and SR 442 as a crucial intersection.
Mr. Witherspoon further commented on intersections with regard to
pedestrian safety and school crossings. He used Oak
Ridge Avenue and U.S. #1 as an example and described this as
demonstrating an opportunity to create a pedestrian activated signaled
crosswalk. He also identified the Votran bus stop that is across the
street. He further commented on removing the unused driveways that
have no use and don't service the lots they are on.
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Mr. Witherspoon then spoke about working with adjacent property owners
in the right -of -way to plant additional trees and create a tree
planting program.
Mr. Witherspoon then commented on the bold plan they had on Park
Avenue when they first started. He further commented on why this is a
very important intersection with opportunity.
Mr. Witherspoon identified the intersection at Ocean Avenue being an
important intersection from a pedestrian and vehicular safety
standpoint. He spoke of DOT closing off a lot of the median crossings
which will generate more traffic at Ocean Avenue.
Mr. Witherspoon further commented on the importance of gateways and
then commented on the north gateway. He spoke of the importance of
working with the County and FDOT and there being an opportunity to do
something creative at the front door of Edgewater. He further
provided more detail with regard to the south gateway.
Mr. Witherspoon then commented on the Gateway Icons - Streetscape
Theme Elements and the Long Term Enhancement Opportunities.
Councilman Kennedy spoke of looking back in the history of Edgewater
back when Edgewater was Hawks Park to take their architectural cues
from. Mr. Witherspoon commented on historical precedence and drawing
upon that for inspiration.
Councilman Kennedy commented on the ongoing cost of maintenance with
regard to landscaping. He encouraged everybody to think outside the
box by thinking about what they put in there, how much it would cost
to maintain and what it would look like in ten years. Mr. Witherspoon
was in full support of that. They don't recommend annual beds.
Councilman Kennedy felt they needed to start looking at alternatives.
Mr. Black referred to the DOT standard practice. He spoke of native
landscaping that doesn't have the maintenance requirements to it that
creates a much different long term maintenance cost making it much
more affordable to maintain but it is a little more expensive to put
in. Councilman Kennedy felt they would save in the long run.
Councilman Ignasiak disagreed and felt aesthetics were absolutely
essential, which he felt draws people and businesses. They won't
change an image if they don't go after the aesthetics. He felt this
was a first step as they move forward.
Mr. Black commented on the south end having a much different feel.
Mr. Witherspoon spoke of it not being a matter of taking landscaping
and filling the entire median and buffer. It's a matter of focusing
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on where they can prioritize. He further spoke of the impact of
landscaping in a sequential fashion being really strong.
Gene Emter felt landscaping was a critical factor. He asked if
anybody had thought about how they would supply water to these things.
Mr. Witherspoon commented on water being crucial as well as conserving
water being crucial.
City Manager Barlow commented on the initiative they are working on
with regard to water in the medians and bringing reclaimed water to
the medians. Mr. Witherspoon felt that was great and didn't know that
was going on.
Mayor Thomas commented on other cities having water to their medians.
He spoke of complaints he receives regarding the water conservation
standards and the cities watering the medians and water being left in
the street.
Pat Card spoke of recommending xeriscaping and it being talked about
dramatically for homes and businesses. He asked if it was applicable
here. Mr. Witherspoon informed him it was and FDOT was looking at
additional requirements in their landscape material that is responsive
to a xeriscape ethic as well. Mr. Card expressed concern with seeing
the City putting in more grass. He spoke of how expensive it is to
cut grass in this City and he felt Edgewater has a lot of it that they
inherited. He likes to see things that are vertical that are green
and not green flat. He asked if xeriscape was that much more
expensive or if it could be managed effectively. Mr. Witherspoon
explained xeriscape was really about using the appropriate plant
material to minimize water consumption as well as maintenance costs.
Mr. Card really liked the gateways through this area, through the high
traffic areas and redoing those to begin the process. He didn't know
how they were going to get some of the blighted areas modified. He
then expressed concern with people putting in decorative foliage at
their businesses, which is a requirement of the City and then it all
dies. One of the things he likes about Park Avenue is the old
building on the corner that nobody can occupy profitably. It's an
architectural style that was probably in the 1940's. He further spoke
of encouraging redevelopment along a particular era that people could
identify with.
Mr. Black spoke of being a City Manager in Venice and not being able
to build anything in Venice unless it is northern Mediterranean around
the entire building no matter where you build. He confirmed the
Council wasn't planning on taking this that far and that they were
talking about the visual appearance across the street frontage. Mr.
Card identified he was talking about the areas in the City that are
unique to the City, which they want people to identify with. Mr.
Black confirmed Mr. Card was talking about key intersections or key
segments of the road as opposed to the entire corridor.
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Mayor Thomas felt if they put requirements like that nobody would come
to Edgewater. He mentioned presenting suggestions and getting more
reception than putting standards in place.
Mr. Card stated he wasn't looking for a set of standards but felt what
they needed to determine was that those specific places they want to
have as an introduction to the City, that they ought to pick some
standards. Mayor Thomas felt they could do it in a low profile way
and get the same result.
Councilman Kennedy felt over the long term they could set the cues
with what the City would do in terms of the intersections and
entryways and that the rest of the City and how it develops its charm
or appeal was somewhat organic. He referred to Flagler Avenue in New
Smyrna and the different types of architecture. He doesn't care for
cities that have one style of architecture all throughout. He felt it
had to be unique and the opportunity to find something historic gives
them their brand. He suggested they think outside the box and
possibly do something no other city has done.
Mr. Witherspoon explained the idea of identifying those historical
assets they feel is a crucial part of a master plan. He spoke of
these becoming grant opportunities for historical renovation. He then
commented on regulating design. He further commented on having a form
base code that wouldn't dictate the architectural style but would set
the precedent for creating the place.
City Manager Barlow identified the Council had most recently adopted
the overlay district over U.S. #1.
Mayor Thomas commented on the eyesores and trailer parks along U.S.
#1. They can't get rid of them but they need something to hide those
places.
Mr. Black asked the Council what other elements along the corridor
that exist today did they really like. Mayor Thomas felt the entrance
from I -95 from the west was very good. City Manager Barlow identified
he and Development Services Director Lear had met with someone looking
to relocate to Edgewater and that was one of the first things he had
complimented Edgewater on.
Mayor Thomas pointed out a trailer park on the slide presentation and
asked how they would hide it. Mr. Card spoke of improving everything
around it to make the real estate so valuable that someone wants to
come in and buy it or to buy it yourself. City Manager Barlow spoke
of having overlay codes that now make this non - conforming and if
something were to happen to one of the trailers, another one couldn't
be brought in. Through attrition it will self correct as well.
Mr. Black asked what else they liked.
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Agnes Witter asked how wide the sidewalks should be to define a
downtown area as opposed to a side street. Mr. Witherspoon identified
there was a whole hierarchy. He spoke of the corridor and needing a
5' sidewalk but they want to get the sidewalk off the roadway as much
as possible to get the pedestrian comfort.
Mr. Black presented an alternative by commenting on Park City, Utah
and it having a different look and different feel if you go there in
the summer as opposed to going in the winter with regard to converting
on- street parking.
Mr. Card liked the area north of the tool rental area and just south
at about the bank from the Gabordy Canal, which he felt has maintained
a very nice look. He liked the area because of the trees and didn't
seem to have a lot of buildings that are deteriorating.
Mr. Witherspoon pointed out from a visual perspective there wasn't a
lot of in your face signage in that area. City Manager Barlow pointed
out the ground signs that are now complying with the new Code.
Mr. Lear pointed out he liked the new Regions Bank with the red brick.
Mr. Black asked about 7 -11. Councilman Kennedy felt the maple trees
made that corner look better than it did. Mr. Black commented in the
difference in the appearance of the City from three years ago and how
it looks better because of changes made to the Code.
Mayor Thomas suggested they start from the north due to the western
and southern entrances into the City not being as bad.
Mr. Black asked what type of entry features in the signage family did
they like best.
Mr. Emter felt starting at the north would be important. He would go
along with that in conjunction with the intersection of SR 442 and
U.S. #1. At least there as a partial start to that that could be
improved.
Councilman Kennedy suggested they start with the signs and
landscaping.
Robert McIntosh felt they should start further south.
City Manager Barlow commented on the property adjacent to 10 Street,
which is owned by Volusia County and partnering with Volusia County in
the design and include that sign and coordinate that timing with the
timing they have to do the road construction on 10 Street.
Ms. Witter felt it would be prudent for Edgewater to wait on the north
end until they know exactly when the County is going to start their
project and coordinate whatever they do on the north end with the
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County. City Manager Barlow spoke of the County working on the design
now and partnering with them and then trying to program our timing
similar especially with the gateway sign that had been referenced.
Mr. Black felt coordinating with the County early on and coming to the
table and offering to help make that project successful was a great
project to work jointly on as part of the CRA. He further commented
on some of the things they can and can't do under the CRA's, one of
which was they couldn't build a City Hall, which is one of the few
things that is specifically prohibited in the Statute. If they don't
identify what they think they would like to spend it on and include it
in the plan, they can't spend those dollars until it is in the plan.
Councilman Kennedy questioned how long it would be before they could
start something like this. City Manager Barlow explained they
anticipated a turnaround in the property values but a slow recovery.
They have to start somewhere and there are opportunities for
incremental tax funding and finances and borrowing against those
projections. Optimistically he estimated 10 years.
Mr. Black pointed out the advantage of a CRA is it is a separate legal
entity from the City. There were some grant sources that Volusia
County, the City of Edgewater and the Edgewater CRA could all go after
and ask the same pot of money for dollars as long as it is part of the
plan, which creates opportunities.
Robert Lott thought they were going to decide where the boundaries
were going to be tonight. He asked if that was something they needed
to do first before they talked about the plants and the other things.
Mr. Black informed him they are getting elements from this. Part of
the questions they have asked about where the priorities are and where
to start, that sets for them locations.
Mr. Lott asked if they consider the property tax roll when they decide
where the lines should be. Mr. Black informed him that was part of a
second phase that they are not engaged to do and the City had not
moved forward with. The discussion first needed to occur with the
County about the delegation of authority and taking that analysis and
bringing it to the table.
Mr. Card asked if they were discussing the work they had thought about
on Park Avenue between the river and the railroad. City Manager
Barlow informed him that was included in the proposed CRA area that
was identified from the Vision Plan.
Mr. Card would like to see this branding along Park Avenue to the
river. He felt that could be relatively early. Although it is not an
entry point to the City it traditionally has been one of the highest
areas of interest in the City. Mr. Witherspoon informed him the heart
of the traditional downtown on Park Avenue was clearly identified in
the Vision Plan as an area of priority. All of the area they have
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looked at on the plan is included in the CRA. It was very important
that that whole area is included into the CRA Master Plan. Mr. Card
wanted that to be a priority for them early in their planning process.
He felt it was as important as the north entrance to the City.
Samantha Bishop, Chamber of Commerce, told the Council to keep in mind
that the existing CRA districts in NSB are sunsetting in 2015 and they
are looking to have a new CRA district on U.S. #1 so when they are
planning their entryway, she felt it would be a great idea to talk to
them and they may be able to do something jointly.
Ms. Bishop asked them to consider going down to where Riverside Drive
comes out to U.S. #1.
Mr. Black stated they weren't pushing the limits and they wanted to
focus on the areas that really need help.
Mr. McIntosh stated much of the discussion that they have had
currently could be handled under transportation. They hadn't talked
about buildings and other things and questioned if that was part of
the CRA. Mr. Black informed him it was. That was an important
element of talking about a portion of the CRA plan addressing the form
and function. He spoke of looking at the form base codes. They
wanted to talk about what they looked like, the feel and character of
the community and less about what type of office it is.
Mr. Witherspoon commented on joint stormwater facilities being big,
joint access between buildings, and shared parking being elements that
become part of opportunities that are created within the CRA.
John Weiss felt the light poles and power lines on U.S. #1 were a
killer for him. He asked if that could be addressed in the CRA. Mr.
Witherspoon informed him it could.
Mr. Witherspoon then identified the Long Term Enhancement
Opportunities. He commented on placing a theme on the entire corridor
and this being a long term opportunity that could be on the list. He
also commented on the tree planting program with the property owners
being a long term effort to identify and put in place the mechanism to
make that happen. He spoke of creating a Central Business District
identity and the expensive price tag associated with burying utility
lines and the long term commitment involved. He further identified a
signage and standards program. He informed Council the joint
stormwater management facility should be on the list too.
Mr. Black presented an alternative to burying the utility lines
because of the cost by relocating them. He spoke of looking at some
of those aspects and that being feasible in some areas along the
corridor. He also spoke of hiding the power lines with a creative
visual palate.
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There was further discussion regarding the power poles and power lines
with regard to grants or other funding opportunities to relocate or
bury them.
Mr. Black identified where they were at and that this was only the
first discussion. They asked Council to spend the next couple of days
thinking about it and let staff know if they have anything additional
to add to the list and then they would share that in a summary.
Mayor Thomas wanted to poll the panel one more time.
Mr. McIntosh suggested pedestrian cross over bridges.
Mr. Card wanted to see them standardize with some sort of design that
would be unique to the City, which he felt should be a signature of
the City. It would be one more way to showcase Edgewater.
Mr. Emter asked if they could provide something along the lines of a
hypothetical planning process and timeline from this point forward as
to how this thing goes from now to the time the CRA is approved and
something is going.
Mr. Black informed him they were talking about a six month process to
go through the delegation of authority, and to come up with a draft
plan to consider all of the elements, do a CIP, do an analysis of the
tax components and economic projections forward of what is reasonably
anticipated and then sharing that with Volusia County. They can pick
a couple as quick priorities and get them done in a year or year and a
half. The bigger pieces, three to five years or seven to ten before
they have reasonable cash flow.
Edwin Vopelak commented on living in a community up north where they
zoned out trailer parks.
Bliss Jamison, Economic Development Board, asked where they would
suggest the Board start and get the most economic bang for their buck
to begin with.
Mr. Witherspoon felt some of the opportunities they talked about in
terms of very small corridor enhancements were where they could get a
lot of bang for their buck. He felt they needed to think more
critically about what the character they want some of the signage and
entry elements to be. He commented on this setting precedence.
Mr. Black wouldn't say they were going to underground the power lines.
He felt if they could create the CRA with the County, they could begin
to create a pool of dollars to incentivize private property owners to
do landscaping and facade improvements in the areas critical to them
because that would increase the tax base.
3. ADJOURNMENT
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There being no further business to discuss, the Workshop adjourned at
7:44 p.m.
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