01-11-1999 - Workshop CITY COUNCIL OF EDGEWATER
WORKSHOP
JANUARY 11, 1999
6:00 P.M.
COMMUNITY CENTER
MINUTES
CALL TO ORDER
Mayor Allman called the Workshop to order at 6:00 p.m. in
the Community Center.
ROLL CALL
Mayor Randy Allman Present
Councilman James Gornto Present
Councilman Myron Hammond Present
Councilman Gary Roberts Excused
Councilwoman Judith Lichter Present
City Attorney Nikki Clayton Present
City Manager Kenneth Hooper Present
City Clerk Susan Wadsworth Present
Police Chief Lawrence Schumaker Excused
Charter Review Committee members:
George Ewing Present
Ferdinand Heeb Present
Michael Nattress Excused
Wolfgang Unger Present
Sandy Jones Present
Mayor Allman recognized Greg Wood, Executive Director,
Volusia Council of Governments.
MEETING PURPOSE
The purpose of the meeting was to review the Charter Review
Committee's final report, including proposed changes to the
current Charter and minority reports. They will accept the
changes and at the end of that they will be turning over
the changes to Staff who will review and add what they feel
necessary, after which they will come back to Council to
set up a final workshop session between Staff, the Charter
Review Committee, and City Council to decide what will and
will not be on the referendum to change the Charter.
George Ewing, 2923 Royal Palm Drive, thanked all of the
members of the Charter Review Committee, Robin Wolf as
Secretary, and City Attorney Nikki Clayton.
Mr. Ewing stated the reason he agreed to serve was to give
the government and particularly City government back to the
people. He hopes the present City Council will seriously
consider the changes and additions they are submitting.
This is your opportunity to give the voters a choice by
referendum. Ferd Heeb has agreed to explain some of the
changes to the Council when Mr. Ewing is finished with his
presentation. He stated Council would have to decide how
these changes would be presented to the citizens in
ordinance form. He referred Council to Section 303
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Paragraph A & B on Page 2 where they only changed twelve or
fifteen words. He then referred Council to Section 308 on
Page 4 where they have added words. He then referred
Council to Section 313, which is very extensive, and
whether you are going to have to pull that out and make it
a separate item on a referendum.
Mr. Ewing presented a minority report on some of the items
that were not voted on by majority. He turned the meeting
over to Mr. Heeb.
Ferd Heeb, 115 N. Riverside Drive, thanked Councilman
Gornto for appointing him to the Committee and allowing him
to serve Edgewater. He also commented on the outstanding
job done by Robin Wolf. He also thanked City Attorney
Nikki Clayton.
Mr. Heeb stated they did a lot of work, they studied this
Charter and Charters from similar size cities and they
studied the model City Charter of the National Civic
League.
Mr. Heeb presented an overview of what they are
recommending. They want to give the citizens of Edgewater
a stronger voice in matters concerning the future of the
City and to affirm and strengthen the City Manager /Council
form of government. He referred to Section 2.02, Section
3.03, Section 3.08, Section 3.09, Section 3.11, and Section
3.13.
Mr. Heeb went on to refer to Section 4.11, Section 5.06,
and Section 6.07. He stated he hopes they find their
Charter amendments acceptable and that they be placed
before the citizens at the next general election.
Sandy Jones, 1520 Travelers Palm Drive, thanked everyone on
the Committee and everyone that has input in their review.
She presented a minority report regarding staggered terms.
She spoke in favor of staggered terms.
Wolf Unger, 1820 Kumquat Drive, thanked everyone and
especially City Attorney Clayton. She was very beneficial
and very supportive. He presented a minority report
regarding the City Council having the authority to
override, by a unanimous vote, any specific action or
inaction of the City Manager regarding issues of
organization and policy. He feels the City Council being
directly responsible to the voters should have a higher
level of authority than the City Manager.
Mr. Ewing then went on to present his minority report. He
commented on residency requirements. He would like to put
it on the ballot again and let the citizens decide if there
should be residency rules or not. He doesn't think the
voters read the waiver when they voted two to one for
residency. He feels a two -term limit should be considered.
He feels they should vote by districts. He also feels the
City Council should have the authority by majority vote to
hire and fire department heads only which he feels would
possibly avoid the constant change in City Managers.
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City Attorney Clayton informed the Council Mr. Nattress
would also have a minority report and would be making it
available at some point but he did not specify.
Councilwoman Lichter asked City Attorney Clayton about
Section 2.02 - Annexation. She asked if there is a State
Statute that covers an amount of land or just other things.
City Attorney Clayton explained there is a State Statute
that covers annexation and the procedures by which it is
accomplished but it does not have any limit on the acreage.
A gentleman in the audience asked if there is a five -
percent limitation before you go to referendum. City
Attorney Clayton explained on the voluntary annexation, a
person who owns a quantity of land can seek to enter
jurisdiction and then there is no vote required. If it is
an involuntary annexation, you have a certain procedure
that is followed. The five - percent limitation is five
percent of the landmass for comprehensive plan amendments
being major or minor.
City Attorney Clayton referred to a scrivener's correction
in Section 3.08, Paragraph D. She states net taxable value
needs to be further defined and proposed the language of
property assessed within the City. Mr. Heeb stated they
had assessments in there originally. City Attorney Clayton
explained this does not refer to assessment as the
limitation it is to identify the net taxable value of
property. This doesn't have anything to do with assessment
being the key word. It is only the defining term that
talks about what property produces the net taxable value.
If the property is assessed within the City that will
produce a value that net taxable value then becomes the
controlling term.
Councilwoman Lichter asked Mr. Ewing if he is referring to
exceptions for department heads but not the City Manager
regarding residency requirement. Mr. Ewing stated that was
majority. Mr. Heeb stated Mr. Ewing doesn't agree with
that. Mr. Ewing feels the Charter should remain the same
without the waiver.
Councilwoman Lichter spoke about an example Mr. Ewing
presented where a waiver could apply. She feels a very
important example would be distance.
Mr. Heeb explained the consensus of the Committee was that
they would like the Chief Executive Officer of the City and
the department heads to live in the City. They agreed to
mandate the Chief Executive Officer live within the
confines of the City. He spoke of the possibility of
someone being promoted to a department head that lives
outside the City. They felt they would give Council the
ability to waive the requirement for department heads only.
He spoke about the residency requirement being a hot topic.
He feels they should put it on the ballot.
Mr. Heeb addressed Mr. Unger's issue. He feels he has made
a very good case for his position. He feels when you hire
someone to be your Chief Executive Officer you give him the
responsibility for carrying on a job and you are giving him
the authority to do that job.
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Mr. Unger agreed with their being a distinct danger with
turning department heads into a political entity. He is a
firm believer that the bottom line authority needs to be
held by the people closest and accountable to the people
which is the City Council. Mr. Ewing doesn't want to keep
changing City Managers all the time. He thinks Council
should have some authority somewhere on department heads.
Mayor Allman stated that is something they could bring up
at the next workshop once staff has a chance to review all
of the proposed changes.
Mayor Allman stated the only thing he sees coming into it
is croneism and he doesn't feel in a City this size there
is any room for that. If you let the Council take care of
the department heads, he really believes the croneism
factor would come into play.
There was a brief discussion regarding Res. 97 -R -28.
Councilwoman Lichter feels Ms. Jones' minority report
should be given serious consideration regarding staggered
terms.
Mr. Unger feels staggered terms would have met more
favorably with the Committee if there were elections every
year.
Mr. Unger spoke about the verbiage in Section 3.13 and
feels it doesn't make sense. City Attorney Clayton stated
she would go back and try to fix the scrivener's error.
Mayor Allman asked if there is any citizen input.
Dominick Capria, 606 Topside Circle, asked if at the next
workshop meeting residents will be able to speak and can he
as a resident get a copy of what has been put forward so
far from the Committee who he feels has done a good job.
Mayor Allman stated yes on both parts.
Dick Martinez, 317 Schooner Avenue, feels staggered terms
should have been done a long time ago. He feels they
provide continuity and less reaction when you have a
complete turnover of a Council. He would like to see this
considered very seriously and talked about at the next
workshop.
Doris Hill, 112 Lincoln Road, stated under this City
Attorney, City Manager and Council, the City Charter isn't
worth the paper it is written on. She spoke of the time
spent on the changes to the Charter by the Charter Review
Committee. She feels the Council has made their own rules.
At least three major sections of the Charter have been
ignored so why change it. What is the sense? She feels
this is an exercise of utility. The only thing the people
can do is vote you out in the next election and elect a law
abiding Council or if you do stay in office you will just
do what you want anyway. So what difference does it make?
Why spend all this time. It is useless.
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Dr. Charles Gebelein, 1730 Umbrella Tree Drive, commented
on a copy of a letter he had in the newspaper. He has a
problem with bypassing the Charter and feels one needs to
consider very carefully in the Charter revision process.
He recommended when this is put up to vote by the people it
be listed as individual items, not the whole package at one
time. He feels staggered terms would be great but only if
the City had elections every year.
City Manager Hooper explained it would be on the agenda
later on in the evening to accept the Charter report. He
spoke of the November election and this being the time that
whatever occurs is going to be on the ballot. He assumed
this was the Committee's desire. He suggested having staff
comments at a work session at the March 1 meeting. He
suggested scheduling a public meeting to take citizen's
input, create a draft, and he likes the idea of having
individual items to say yes and no to. This will be sent
back to the Charter Review Committee to polish some of the
language and bring it back to Council in final ordinance
form when the public hearings will be held. This is
probably a time period of around July.
It was the consensus of Council to proceed as City Manager
Hooper explained.
Mr. Ewing stated it is still possible to have staggered
terms with elections every two years. Mayor Allman stated
they would figure that out.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business, Councilman Hammond made a
motion to adjourn. The meeting adjourned at 6:45 p.m.
Minutes submitted by:
Lisa Kruckmeyer
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