03-24-1993 - Workshop CITY COUNCIL OF EDGEWATER
WORKSHOP
MARCH 24, 1993
7:00 P.M.
COMMUNITY CENTER
MINUTES
CALL TO ORDER
Mayor Hayman called the Workshop to order at 7 : 00 p.m. in the
Community Center.
ROLL CALL
Mayor Jack Hayman Present
Councilman Kirk Jones Present
Councilwoman Louise Martin Present
Councilman Michael Hays Present
Councilman David Mitchum Present
City Manager George McMahon Present
City Attorney Krista Storey Present
City Clerk Susan Wadsworth Present
Police Chief Lawrence Schumaker Present
MEETING PURPOSE
The purpose of the workshop was to discuss the goal summary from the
March 15, 1993 Workshop and to discuss boards and committees with
regard to the Land Development and Regulatory Agency and Industrial
Development Board.
1) Goal Summary from March 15, 1993 Work Session
City Manager McMahon spoke on prioritizing the two categories of goals
based on Council input.
Mayor Hayman asked about long range planning and which category it
would fall within. City Manager McMahon identified the category one
goals were to establish a long term planning process to reduce
reactive planning. He recommended breaking them out into a specific
objective in terms of short term and long term planning.
City Manager McMahon commented on the State requiring administrative
rules and regulations with regard to the Comprehensive Plan and the
plan being accepted by the State.
City Manager McMahon spoke of identifying by inventory some of the
things the City had talked about in the past, coming back to Council
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with an inventory in the future and asking them to look at long range
planning in terms of capital projects . He then mentioned looking at
the process on handling short range planning and how it could be
modified.
Steve Cork went over a list of prioritized goals that were identified
by Council. He spoke of addressing the individual priorities at
individual workshops.
City Manager McMahon asked Council to consider the budget process that
would be coming up when scheduling future workshops . He spoke of
several of the goals tying into the budget process with regard to
short range planning and possibly some of the long range planning. He
then spoke of being able to control expenditures but not being able to
control revenue. He spoke of knowing the sources but not knowing how
much revenue they get from year to year. He then spoke of taxes and
revenue sharing being dictated by State law. The County was obligated
by law to provide them the estimated tax roll from which they generate
the revenue estimates sometime in June.
Councilman Hays felt they needed to address the records and evidence
storage building and that that should be a priority. City Manager
McMahon informed him they would be discussing that at a workshop on
April 19th
Mayor Hayman commented on many cities in Florida being hurt by
reactive planning because of the mandates of the Legislature and
having a difficult time developing a strategy that went beyond twelve
months . He felt long range planning was an effective mechanism to
drive City government. He was committed to trying to work towards
something beyond a twelve month plan and developing a strategic plan
to cope with the issues that would go on year after year such as
stormwater management and road paving. He hoped to work towards
developing a long range planning strategy in the community.
City Manager McMahon commented on why preliminary planning could be
very beneficial . He felt they shouldn' t spend the first dollar unless
they were committed to spend the last dollar.
Mayor Hayman referred to the March 18, 1993 memo from Steve Cork which
identified that the Category One goals needed refinement. Mr. Cork
addressed Mayor Hayman' s concerns by explaining there were goals that
would be discussed at a future workshop and those that were business
as usual.
Mayor Hayman asked Mr. Cork if he needed any guidance from Council at
this point with regard to the Category Two goals . Mr. Cork informed
him he didn' t think so.
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Councilman Hays felt what they needed to do in the long term plan was
establish programs so they could pay for their unpaved streets which
he felt would take the burden off of assessments that they have
already levied on the CIP projects and it wouldn' t put as great a
burden on the residents . He mentioned looking at a paving project
that covers a ten year period and not spending upfront money for
things such as road studies due to already knowing it had to be done.
Councilman Jones felt the Comprehensive Plan had addressed some of the
long range goals they had set and he felt they needed to revisit the
Comprehensive Plan to find out what they were already committed to.
He believed they were already committed to some long range plans . He
then commented on if the new Charter had any effect on the advisory
boards.
Mayor Hayman felt they were beginning to formulate some guidance. He
felt the method of communication which was essential, a linkage
between the Council, Staff, Advisory Boards and Committees hadn' t been
well defined over the years.
Councilman Hays spoke of starting the discussions on the paving
project a long time ago and having a good handle on what the cost
would be. City Manager McMahon spoke of having to factor in inflation
for construction and any new requirements the State may put on them.
There was further discussion regarding funding.
Councilman Hays mentioned making the industrial strip a priority
because of the business traffic due to one dirt road in Florida Shores
not getting a great deal more traffic than another. Councilman Jones
felt the area would attract business if it was bettered and agreed it
should be a priority. City Manager McMahon commented on being
committed to doing an activity plan which could be evaluated by
Council.
Mayor Hayman identified City Manager McMahon was suggesting they adopt
a process in which they identify a particular issue, establish a goal
and then rely on subsequent workshops with feedback from Staff. City
Manager McMahon identified he would use that process in whatever goals
they define. He spoke of doing the road paving over a period of time
and allocating a certain percentage each year.
City Manager McMahon further identified alternate sources of funding,
which included assessments . He spoke of if federal funds became
available that assessments wouldn' t be necessary. He also identified
setting money aside each year in the budget.
Councilman Hays felt it would be smart to add ex-amount of dollars per
year and if they would have started a project like this when they
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first started talking about it they would be halfway through. He also
felt it was essential to make this a priority and establish money in
the budget on a yearly basis to do it.
Councilman Jones commented on already having a comprehensive bike path
plan and the need to start thinking about putting money aside to make
this a reality.
City Manager McMahon spoke of this helping Council identify the
fundamental financial philosophy. He spoke of this also helping
identify alternative strategies .
Councilman Hays felt it seemed they didn' t get their fair share of
money back from the County for their parks and recreational money and
if they could get their fair share that could be a resource used for
bike paths .
Councilman Jones asked how much per capita the County gets from
Edgewater for recreation. Mr. Corder estimated it to be around
$64, 000 a year.
Councilman Hays commented on the need to seriously look at what they
were going to do with regard to a new City Hall facility as a long
range goal. They have to have a workable facility to be able to serve
people in the community. He mentioned looking at sites where they
might want to locate a new City Hall .
Mayor Hayman questioned where they would put the next Fire Station.
Councilman Hays felt where the structure was right now he didn' t know
of any way they could remodel it or do anything with it and still be
able to function. He further commented on the property City Hall
currently sits on being very valuable. It may be reasonable to
consider if they can make enough profit off of this piece of property
to pay for a new facility located elsewhere in the City without
putting the tax burden on the taxpayers . He felt they could do that
if they looked at the value of the property.
Councilman Jones agreed and felt they didn' t needed to pump a whole
lot more dollars into trying to fix something here. He felt that
would be a long range goal . He commented on the roads in Florida
Shores being the biggest issue and priority that should be tackled
first. Councilman Hays felt they needed to start planning.
Councilwoman Martin felt with regard to the property City Hall
currently sits on thinking about if somebody else wanted it what could
they use it for or if it was big enough or too small, which she felt
was part of the value.
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There was a brief discussion regarding the possibility of condos or a
hotel being put on the City Hall property.
Mayor Hayman asked if it was the consensus of Council to add the use
of this facility and determine the life expectancy or come up with
some idea of potential use, the marketability of it and how they are
going to go about meeting the facility needs for government.
Councilman Hays felt they really needed to address it and seriously
think about it. He felt it would be something that would keep getting
put off. Mayor Hayman agreed.
Mayor Hayman wanted to hear some creative ideas on revenue sources to
help facilitate the City' s economic posture. He mentioned a previous
discussion they had with regard to user fees as a way to increase
revenue in the City. He asked Council if they had any suggestions .
City Manager McMahon informed him he would be coming back to Council
with alternative or modified revenue sources at the time of the budget
process. He identified the City as not charging enough for review of
planned developments which is a cost to the taxpayers . He further
spoke of the need to cover their costs and identified he would include
it in the activity plan and would bring it up at the first goal
setting session that they have.
Mayor Hayman then referred to the implementation and refinement of the
Charter and Comprehensive Plan. He spoke of the provision in the
Charter that dealt with establishing an administrative process in the
City that allows the population to judge the performance of the
elected body, staff and the advisory boards . He felt there was some
work to be done and were beginning that process tonight as they
interact with advisory boards . He spoke of the public asking for some
standard or some gauge they could use to judge performance to
understand how government takes place in the City. They expressed the
need to know how staff gets its guidance with regard to the interface
in terms of roles, duties and responsibilities and responsiveness from
boards and committees to Council. He felt the City should strive
towards the goal of refining the Charter.
Mayor Hayman commented on the public having the feeling that the
elected officials were not responding to what they wanted done. He
made mention of the CIP and some people liking it and some people not
liking it.
Councilwoman Martin commented on the numerous meetings they had with
regard to the CIP. She spoke of the majority of the people helping
them make their decision.
Councilman Hays felt sometimes they have the verbal minority and if
they spend all of their time dealing with the verbal minority they
would never get the work done for the majority of the people.
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Councilman Mitchum felt what they were hitting on wasn' t necessarily a
review of performance but maybe a better understanding of the process
and being able to relate to the process better of what the Council
actually does . He felt there needed to be a clearer definition. You
don' t know what the Council actually does until you are a part of it
and have experienced what goes on. He spoke of the job not always
being easy and it being harder more times than it was easy.
Mayor Hayman spoke of giving guidance in a general way to the staff
and City Manager on things they need to have done. They are
participating in a procedure by which they make policy decisions and
transmit those feelings to staff and they come back to Council . This
process they use to communicate and direct to staff and the boards and
advisory groups has not always been clear to the public.
Mayor Hayman spoke of coming up with some goals to discuss at a
workshop session and out of that would come an activity plan with
which they establish what they are going to do, how they are going to
do it, allocate the resources, establish responsibility, and it comes
back for Council approval.
Councilwoman Martin pointed out one of the reasons they started doing
the newsletter was to let the people know everything the Council was
doing. City Manager McMahon felt that was a good example of a way to
communicate to the public what their plans are and that it would be
beneficial to develop certain performance objectives that were
measurable which would hold staff accountable.
Councilwoman Martin commented on the people electing the Council to
office because they trust them to do the best for them. She didn' t
feel they wanted a minute by minute discussion from her as to why she
is doing it. She felt a monthly newsletter was to show them that
everything they are doing is open to the public.
Gigi Bennington spoke of working on the Charter Review and having
previously served on the Council. She spoke of the public not knowing
who to go to for what they need. She felt the boards as well as the
public needed to know where the boards' authorities start and stop and
if there are appeal processes and how they do that. She spoke of it
being in the Code book but having to know where to find it. They
don' t want to judge the Council but they want to know how it works .
Councilman Hays commented on City staff dealing with the public. He
felt the staff has a responsibility to be professional enough to
inform them of the next step they would have to take if they weren' t
happy with the response they received.
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Ms . Bennington felt if it was written down in a procedure manual they
could go and look at it. Councilman Jones suggested creating a
brochure or handout.
2) Boards and Committees
a) Land Development and Regulatory Agency (LDRA)
Mayor Hayman informed Council they should have the by-laws of the
LDRA. He further identified one of the purposes for reviewing the
boards by-laws and where they are and where they hope to go was to
make sure they are in synchronization with what the Council, staff and
citizens would like. They had heard some suggestion that there had
been some difference of opinion about the mission, functions and roles
of the Council, the boards and staff.
Mayor Hayman felt there should be no misunderstanding that everybody
works for the City Council. The relationships between the boards and
staff are separate and equal and are supportive when necessary but can
be organized any way to suit the need by direction of the Council. He
felt there had been some question regarding who the staff works with
and who the staff works for. He hoped to discuss that tonight so they
could clarify that. He spoke of staff might be supportive of a board
or committee but not subordinate to a board or committee . He spoke of
staff providing administrative functions and support information in
exchange for expertise. He mentioned cases where Council would rely
on both the board and staff to come up with a recommendation. He then
expressed his appreciation to Mr. Hellsten for attending the meeting
and for the good work the LDRA had done for them in the past.
Mayor Hayman asked Mr. Hellsten if he was satisfied with the way the
LDRA was working and the relationship they had with staff and the
Council.
Pete Hellsten, Chairman, Land Development and Regulatory Agency,
explained he had no complaints with regard to the working relationship
with staff and Council but he felt the role of the LDRA was inhibited
by trying to get a long term vision of where the City wanted to be ten
or twenty years down the road. He spoke of making the same appeal to
Council at a meeting held in May 1991 .
Mr. Hellsten spoke of the LDRA having a planning role that is set up
by the City and by Florida Statutes . He further commented on the
development of long range plans . In order to do that effectively,
they needed a vision of where the citizens and Council felt they
should be ten or twenty years out. He further identified they were
facing growth and felt they needed to be prepared for that.
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Mr. Helisten addressed having a major task in front of them right now
to develop a set of land development regulations . He talked about
doing this twenty-two months ago and they started that process and it
was basically aborted. He requested guidance from Council and the
community to let them know where they wanted Edgewater to be, how they
want to make best use of the land and the facilities and the assets
they have within the City, what do they want the City to look like? Do
they want a bedroom community or do they want an industrial base large
enough to provide a tax base that would support the City and pay for
some of the growth? He was looking in broad terms and referenced the
streets in Florida Shores or a new City Hall, which he felt were short
term goals and the question was how do they implement a plan to make
those things happen. He felt the Comprehensive Plan was a document
that he didn' t think anybody fully understood and needed modification.
He made mention that someone went to the Library to review the Comp
Plan and there is no complete document there. He expressed concern
with the community not having access to the Comp Plan.
Mr. Hellsten identified who was at the meeting and questioned where
the citizen participation was in this.
Councilman Jones believed there were copies of the Comp Plan at City
Hall. To say the community didn' t have access was incorrect. Mr.
Hellsten informed him there was an interim version at the Library but
no final version. Councilman Jones assured him they would see to it
that it gets there but that that wasn' t their only source to get the
information.
Mr. Hellsten asked if the approved plan was presently in a complete
comprehensive document available to the public. Mr. Karet informed
him it was in two separate volumes and that they were in the process
of compiling it into one single document.
There was further discussion regarding the citizens having access to
Comprehensive Plan.
Mr. Hellsten felt the citizen involvement in the process was
relatively small and felt they needed more citizen involvement.
Mr. Helisten then commented on the development of the land development
regulations . He felt this was a critical item. He wanted Council to
consider it would be a very intense, time-consuming process that would
take some time. He made mention of the creation of an ad hoc
committee to focus specifically on and develop the land development
regulations using the LDRA members as a resource as well as outside
expertise. He wanted Council to consider as a means of developing the
land development regulations .
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Mayor Hayman spoke of there being a need to revise the Comp Plan. Mr.
Hellsten also mentioned the urgency of the land development
regulations. He was interested in hearing the LDRA' s strategy for
attacking two those issues .
Mr. Hellsten spoke of model land development regulations that are
already in existence and the codes they have within the City included
in a complex document that was in need of revision and updating so it
was consistent with what was going on within the Comp Plan, the
adjacent communities, the County and the State. He identified looking
at what they have and almost start to consider a clean sheet of paper,
due to the current document being difficult to work with, which they
would go through section by section.
Mr. Hellsten pointed out with regard to the Comp Plan, as he
understood it there was a five year review of the Land Planning Agency
(LPA) to make in terms of consistency. He referred to a document that
spelled out the requirement that every five years the LPA shall
prepare an evaluation and appraisal report on the Comp Plan for
transmittal to Council . Mr. Karet identified the Legislature was
currently tinkering with the process of evaluation and appraisal
reports and may very well revise the deadline. He felt they should
know in the next couple of weeks what happened.
Mayor Hayman commented on why he wanted to talk about the Comp Plan
and referenced a suggestion made by Councilwoman Martin with regard to
the employee cap they had on businesses on the Hibiscus/Guava strip.
Mr. Hellsten pointed out what they wanted that area to look like was
something for discussion that would be addressed in the land
development regulations. He again made mention of needing input as
far as what they want the City to look like in the future. He spoke
of knowing growth was coming and there being no way to avoid it.
Mayor Hayman commented on the three employee cap and his understanding
was that Council consensus was they wanted to remove the cap to allow
reasonable growth in that area. He asked if the LDRA had done any
further studies on that. He was also told they had to make an
amendment to the Comp Plan in order to effect the change of the three
employee cap in that area. Mr. Hellsten described they had not as of
this time due to needing guidance.
Mayor Hayman asked Mr. Hellsten to describe for him use of an Ad Hoc
Committee in the development of the land development regulations . He
wasn' t convinced the City needed to decentralize that effort and
needed to centralize it. He then described how he felt the effort
should proceed by describing who he would like to see involved in that
effort. Mr. Hellsten envisioned coming forth with a land development
regulations document within a period of six to nine months . He made
mention that some of the members of the LDRA would not be able to
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participate in the additional meetings that would be needed, which
could be attended by members of an ad hoc committee.
Mayor Hayman spoke of people having concerns of the time constraints
of some of the LDRA board members, which bothered him particularly
with the challenge of the land development regulations they were
facing. He asked if it was time to revisit the whole organization to
see if there is a better way to do it. Mr. Hellsten felt that was a
decision for the Council. His personal feeling was if they were going
in that direction they should look at the different functions of the
LDRA with regard to routine business and planning. He identified his
reaction to splitting these functions . He felt right now they were a
very responsive board.
Councilman Hays expressed concern with getting interest from the
public to serve on City boards . When the LDRA was formed they didn' t
have a full time City Attorney or full time Planning Department. The
City was a different city then. Now they have paid professional staff
that provides a lot of the services that are here more. He explained
why he felt the Council should consider looking at this board and
separating it.
Councilwoman Martin stated with the growth they have and the continued
growth, she knows the LDRA has a lot of work to do. She felt the LDRA
should concentrate on the planning and development into the future and
possibly go back and resurrect the Board of Adjustments and leave them
to the variances and exceptions. Mr. Hellsten felt they were in an
area where he didn' t have a great deal of experience. He had served
on the Board since 1988 and it had always been a combined function.
There was further discussion regarding separating the LDRA and
recreating the Board of Adjustments . Mr. Hellsten felt the planning
process needed to be looked at very carefully because a lot of that
would hinge on, to a large extent, the support of staff, who he felt
was swamped with normal day-to-day routine operations . He felt that
should be looked at very carefully before a decision is made.
Councilwoman Martin felt the LDRA had a lot of work into the future
and felt some of the burden should be taken off of them and that they
shouldn' t be bothered with variances and exceptions .
Councilman Hays commented on appeals. Councilwoman Martin pointed out
at the time it was consolidated there wasn' t much development or
planning at the time. It presently is too heavy a load on the LDRA.
Mr. Hellsten informed her currently the LDRA was meeting for one day a
month and had been for a while. He felt they wanted to keep very
close coordination between the two activities. He felt the
communication would break down by splitting the board and they would
lose that valuable input to the planning process .
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Mayor Hayman commented on reviewing what other cities did. He saw
three entities being involved in development. If he was on the LDRA
he would rather have a clear cut clean role where they only have one
hat to wear.
Mayor Hayman asked Mr. Hellsten' s views on reorganizing the LDRA where
they have representation from the Engineering Department, Planning
Department, Utilities Department, Council and the public. Mr.
Hellsten supported that wholeheartedly.
There was a ten-minute recess at this time. The meeting recessed at
8 : 35 p.m. and reconvened at 8 : 45 p.m.
Mr. Hellsten commented on developing the land development regulations
with regard to the ad hoc committee. He felt to do that job
effectively they would have to have both sides of the coin represented
and that doing it right the first time would make things easier.
Mayor Hayman had some concern with VCARD and active participation and
the actual involvement in the land development regulations . Mr.
Hellsten disagreed with decentralization and further commented on
accelerating the process . He further identified he wanted the LDRA
heavily involved due to knowing where the problems were.
Mayor Hayman further commented on splitting the LDRA by creating a
Planning Board and Board of Adjustments & Appeals, who would hear the
quasi judicial requests which would be their sole function. Mr.
Hellsten didn' t see there was an issue right now in terms of the
function of the LDRA and what they were doing at this time . He
further identified seeing a great deal of interaction between the
judicial portion and planning portion of the process and felt that
communication should be maintained and encouraged. He further spoke
of the close interaction between the Industrial Development Board and
the LDRA and this being valuable.
Councilman Hays referred to a memo dated February 18th with regard the
LDRA spending too much time reacting to development proposals and too
little time performing long range planning. He further spoke of in
1988 when the LDRA was created and it being merged with the Board of
Adjustments because of the perception at that time that there were
special exceptions and variances that were granted without reference
to the Zoning Codes . Councilwoman Martin informed him that was not
true having previously served on the LDRA.
Dominick Fazzone, LDRA member, felt what Mr. Hellsten was saying was
what the rest of the Board felt. He further spoke of being here in
1988 when the LDRA was created. Since they have a City Attorney,
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things are a lot different than they were originally. Their Board, no
matter what they do, comes back to Council for final judgment.
Councilman Hays asked if the buck should stop with an LDRA or Board of
Adjustments or should it go on to Council. Sometimes those things can
turn into political issues and he didn' t feel they should.
Councilwoman Martin identified the Board of Adjustments was an appeal
to the courts but was overridden at times by the Council to take
action but the LDRA has a right to come to Council .
Mayor Hayman identified some of the cities had elected not to review
the quasi judicial decisions and to defer them to the courts . There
were others that tended to get involved that were subject to criticism
one way or another. Do they want to rely on the courts and let them
handle it in a professional and correct way or run into a political
risk? Councilman Hays felt it was more than a political risk and came
down to an issue of fairness .
Councilwoman Martin spoke of the people having a right to come before
Council but she didn' t appreciate when staff came with them and
recommended what Council should do and felt they should make up their
own minds instead of staff saying they should do something.
Mr. Fazzone stated the law says what the LDRA can do but there were
certain things in the law where Council was the final judgment. City
Attorney Storey informed him the issue Councilman Hays was talking
about was not defined in the law and was a policy decision to be made.
Councilman Mitchum presented a history of why the LDRA was developed
and felt it was more political than anything. At that time Council
wanted control of what was going on. He spoke of the Board of
Adjustments being a quasi judicial board and their say was final and
the only appeal process was through the court system. City Attorney
Storey informed him at one time that was a statutory requirement but
that had changed.
Councilwoman Martin identified there were cases that were turned down
that came to Council instead of going to the courts which she felt was
political.
Councilman Mitchum didn' t know that they wanted to be that judicial
board.
Mr. Hellsten felt the caliber of the board members should be carefully
considered with regard to expertise.
Councilman Mitchum commented on why he has had a real problem with the
judicial system. He didn't have a problem with splitting the Board
and felt there might be some merit to that but he did have a problem
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with giving the final say to a board that didn' t have to answer to
anybody. At that time, the way they handled it was by abolishing the
board.
City Manager McMahon commented on cases that go before the Code
Enforcement Board that are appealed through the court system and not
through the Council.
City Manager McMahon further identified Council defines the variance
process and they tell the board by giving them the authority to do
certain things and restrict them in other things, obligating them to
do what Council wants . He then identified if the people on the boards
are not performing they have the right to remove them at their will
and according to whatever policy they decide.
Councilman Mitchum spoke of policy changing every two years due to
Council being elected for two years and board members being appointed
for three years . City Manager McMahon suggested they may want to
change that.
Mayor Hayman asked if they had a consensus to decide if they would
like to discuss this matter further and scheduled it at a regular
Council meeting. Councilman Hays wanted to see it scheduled at a
regular Council meeting dividing the LDRA into a Planning Board and
Board of Adjustments .
Councilman Jones expressed concern with the financial aspects of going
to court every time they make an appeal . If they appeal to Council it
is a lot less. If they don' t get satisfaction from Council he felt
they still had an appeal process through the courts .
City Manager McMahon identified a citizen does not lose their rights
to appeal to Council because they have a quasi judicial process . He
would expect the citizens that were dissatisfied with the policies
would come directly to Council. He then recommended if they do go
quasi judicial that they be very specific and spell out the variance
procedure of doing that.
Councilman Mitchum questioned that law changing. City Attorney Storey
informed him there used to be a specific statutory provision that
governed Boards of Adjustment and that section had been removed from
the Statute so they had a full range of options .
City Attorney Storey stated no reflection on the LDRA as it stood but
she thought it was difficult to switch hats from a legislative body to
a quasi judicial body. She further spoke of waiting on a ruling from
the Florida Supreme Court whether zoning and Comp Plan decisions were
going to be quasi judicial or legislative. There are sometimes
problems associated with having a separate Board of Adjustments but
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she felt those were procedural issues that could be dealt with through
good advice from legal counsel. They have to train a board and the
way decisions are made but the structure had to come from the
legislative body. She spoke of having good experiences with a Board
of Adjustments she represented for years in St. Lucie County. She had
some concerns with the people who are writing the codes also making
the decisions about those codes .
Councilman Mitchum commented on the great points he felt had been
brought up in the conversation. He also felt they needed to get this
on the agenda.
City Manager McMahon recommended Council direct City Attorney Storey
to explain the process for change legally and they would put it on the
agenda for Council action.
It was the consensus of Council to proceed this way.
b) Industrial Development Board
Mayor Hayman stated recently they witnessed a lot of interest in the
enhancing of economic development in the community. He spoke of
expanding the scope of the Industrial Development Board to include
dealing with the business climate. He spoke of putting them in a
position where they aren' t able to resource the things they want to do
right now and recognized their work with the industrial development
park and the process being painfully slow. He asked Mr. Martin for
his comments with regard to expanding the role of the Industrial
Development Board.
Joe Martin, Chairman, Industrial Development Board, spoke of it being
difficult to stay focused on industry because of the interaction
between industry and the local economy. He didn' t believe any members
of the Board would have a problem with making an Economic Development
Board as opposed to an Industrial Development Board in terms of
broadening the scope. He expressed concern with how the members of
the board are selected, the areas of expertise in that membership, how
broad it was and having a balance on that board. He questioned the
ability of the members to attend more than one meeting per month. He
further spoke of a large turnover they had a couple of years ago and
any members of the board being advised they should plan on two or more
meetings a month. He had no objections and he thought it would be a
good idea to expand the scope of that Board in terms of what they
charged them to do.
Mr. Martin addressed Mayor Hayman' s comments with regard to the City
not having the funds to do some of the things they have been looking
at and suggesting the City might want to do. He then referred to
Items 6A and 6B with regard to their duties and annually recommending
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a budget for moneys to carry out the purpose of the Board. He felt
more effort could be put forth in the area of formulating the plans
and in recommending of the budget to implement those plans . He spoke
of having conceptual plans and making improvements with the assistance
of staff to help them flush out some of the plans. He made mention of
staff being busy but needing professional assistance in flushing out
any plans they may come up with and in budgets for implementing those
plans.
Mayor Hayman asked Mr. Martin to describe his role in the linkage
between the development of plans and the execution of plans . Mr.
Martin described with the way the by-laws were written now it was to
develop the plans, which may take some money or expertise. The actual
execution of those plans comes back to Council.
There was further discussion regarding what the next step would be
after Council executes the plans and if there would be a need to
either contract for professional services or use the in-house
professionals.
Mayor Hayman commented on speaking with the businesses when he was
campaigning for office to find out what their most pressing concern
was. They focused primarily on the Guava/Hibiscus strip where the
roads were not paved and asked that their street be paved. They also
asked him to do something about the three employee cap so they could
expand their business . They encouraged him to help the business
Edgewater currently has before they bring in new business . He
understood the importance of bringing business in but those folks
don' t.
Mayor Hayman then spoke of the feasibility of the Industrial
Development Board assuming that role as well as industrial development
and to consider their first priority how to determine what the
economic needs of the community were, particularly the business needs .
Mr. Martin explained industrial development was hard to disassociate
from overall economic development. They have identified two problems;
to accommodate new people that want to come in on large scale and
large sites verses accommodating the growth, people and industries and
business they already have here. He further spoke of the problem of
not having the ability to accommodate growth of the existing
business/industry and because of this businesses go someplace else.
Mr. Martin spoke of there being only so much they could do with the
talent they have on the Board in terms of assisting existing
business/industry. He made mention they were in the process of
drafting a report for Council that scoped the City of Edgewater in
terms of industrial and economic development. He felt economic
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development and assisting existing business/industry should be a high
priority.
City Manager McMahon commented on a discussion he had with the County
Manager. He spoke of Volusia County essentially being a residential
County. He further spoke of the effort being made by the County of
trying to attract business into this area in order to increase the tax
base. He asked what they could do to accelerate that and he informed
him Edgewater could commit resources to help them attract further
businesses .
Mr. Martin further commented on the association between industrial and
non-industrial type business with regard to industry driving
everything else and other businesses benefitting from growth and
industry. He felt industry would be the engine that would drive the
economy.
City Manager McMahon commented on one industry causing Orlando and
surrounding areas to change from small southern cities to very highly
motivated cities .
Mayor Hayman wanted to solicit a commitment from the Industrial
Development Board to take on the additional task and recognize the
task of working on behalf of the businessmen and women of this
community and come up with a marketing plan to market the existing
businesses as well as new business.
Mayor Hayman further spoke of developing demographics of what they
have now.
Mr. Martin spoke of the Board developing a brochure for marketing
purposes when he started on the Board and identified they stopped
because they had nothing to offer in the way of sites . Mayor Hayman
asked if he was saying they needed to annex land. Mr. Martin informed
him they needed to take care of what they already had within the
corporate boundary of the City.
Councilman Hays felt maybe they were reaching a time where they needed
to relook at that. He spoke of water and sewer capacity having been
an issue in the past. He felt they needed to make it a priority to
give some development money to the Industrial Development Board when
they are looking at the budget.
Mayor Hayman asked if the Board had the strategy outlined with regard
to what they want to do with the PID. Mr. Martin described that was
part of the document they were working on. They were looking at where
they are, what their competition is, what they have to offer, what
their problems are and then how are they going there. He felt the PID
was their biggest opportunity within the corporate limits of the City.
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He further spoke of potential grant opportunities . They planned to
come to the City with some recommendations in accordance with budgets
and some things they would like to see the City do. One of the things
they will be bringing to Council was for them to put a line item in
the budget for economic development and put money in it every year.
They wanted an economic development trust fund created that could only
be used for economic development.
Mayor Hayman suggested Mr. Martin take their proposal and link it with
the City' s long range plan, which includes economy and industry.
Councilman Jones felt they needed to start pushing for economic
development and start thinking of the plan of the future for Edgewater
with regard to attracting new businesses and helping existing
businesses .
Mr. Martin identified at their last meeting they agreed to request
from the Property Appraiser' s office the value of all the property on
Guava and Hibiscus in the B-2 as well as the history of it so they can
look at how that has grown over the last ten years, the objective
being if there is a good enough trend maybe they could justify using
tax increment financing to pay for Guava and Hibiscus and address some
of the problems people are having down there. If it has gone down in
value, obviously it is moot.
City Manager McMahon recommended if they want staff or Council
involved that they make it an ex-officio and on-going position. He
suggested they let them provide the expertise they are being paid to
do. He asked Council to consider not making staff or the Council a
voting member.
There was a brief discussion regarding rewriting the Industrial
Development Board' s bylaws .
Mayor Hayman wanted to talk about the nomination selection of people
serving on the Boards. He asked Mr. Martin if he was satisfied with
the current process . Mr. Martin wasn' t and felt they should have a
Screening Committee like they used to have. He felt it should be a
consensus of the entire Council as to who goes on a Board and not done
on a rotating basis .
Councilman Hays identified by doing it the other way it was possible
that three Councilmembers would appoint every person on every board
and then there would be two Councilmembers with no representation on
any of the Boards . He asked if that served the public interest. He
then spoke of issues they had before when they did that.
Councilman Hays agreed with Mr. Martin' s comment on the process to
acquire people on the boards and felt they should at that for some
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boards more than others . He felt every Councilmember should have
representation on the boards, which was the intent when that was
originally changed.
Mr. Martin identified the most important thing to him as a Board
Chairman was having qualified people.
There was a brief discussion regarding whether the appointment by
Council should exceed the term of the Council that made the
appointment.
Mr. Martin felt the most important thing Council could do was get
input from the boards to find out what kind of background they want
serving on the Boards so they had a balance on the board and set the
criteria for what the membership should be.
Councilman Hays spoke of calling the applicants when he has an
appointment on a board. He felt they should also look at the terms of
boards to be discussed at a regular meeting.
City Manager McMahon suggested the Council take the time to develop
rational, simple criteria for each of the boards and invite
recommendations from the people in the community who may be willing to
serve. Make a master list of an inventory of all of the people and
they would be run through Council' s criteria and regardless of who
nominates who, the Council as a body has participated in the criteria,
the overall development of the inventory and finally the selection.
Councilman Hays asked City Manager McMahon if he had examples from
other cities it might help them to form their own outline.
Councilman Mitchum commented on the Screening Committee and why he
felt it didn' t work and why they did away with it. He further
commented on not having representation on the boards but at least he
has participated in the process if he has a vote. If they appoint
somebody he doesn' t want on a board, he has no chance to disagree. He
believed in the voting process of appointing board members and not the
nomination process and the actual roll call vote on approval because
they would never take the politics out of it. He further commented on
if they were ever to form a new committee, it might be a committee to
decide what criteria they need for board members, due to the different
boards not having the same criteria.
Councilman Jones felt in the past the Screening Committee got to be a
political joke. In the past, the boards themselves did the screening.
The board would recommend two people; their first pick and an
alternate and they would send it to Council and ask Council to make
the decision on one of the two picks . It was an easier process . He
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served on the Parks and Recreation Board and they knew what they were
looking for.
City Manager McMahon stated he would be happy to develop some
recommendations for criteria. He agreed to talk with City Attorney
Storey and the boards and perhaps involve people in the business
community.
Councilman Jones spoke of interviewing candidates at the board
meetings.
Councilwoman Martin kind of went with the majority vote because many
times people are picking one candidate and maybe two or three people
know a better background about the people and if they had a chance to
vote they would let them know there was something wrong.
Councilman Hays suggested if they were going to change the appointment
of board members that they move it into the next meeting. He felt
they needed general consensus of that and he wasn' t sure they were
there.
Mayor Hayman mentioned asking the Chairpersons of each of the boards
for their feelings and opinions on the process they use along with
their recommendations. Councilman Hays felt they might ask the boards
about the criteria but that it was Council' s decision on how to do the
appointment. Mayor Hayman explained why he disagreed.
Code Enforcement Board Chairman George Cowan stated Mr. Martin said
everything he wanted to say about it and he agreed with Mr. Martin
Mr. Hellsten commented on the tenure of the board members and whether
it be consistent with the Council term or otherwise. He spoke of how
this would impact the LDRA. In a two year term a board member
probably isn' t going to be effective over a relatively short period of
time due to there being a learning process involved. He suggested
they look at that as a criteria or a guideline when they start to
select the length of terms.
Mayor Hayman suggested they use the expertise of the Chairpersons and
people that make up their boards to comment on what terms of office
they feel is most reasonable, comment on the selection process and the
usefulness of establishing criteria for participation with their input
as well. Council would make the ultimate decision but he had a need
to hear from the boards.
Councilman Hays feels if they are going to be the ones who ultimately
make the appointments the process that they use needs to be something
they are comfortable with. He spoke of some of the Councilmembers not
being totally satisfied with the way they are doing things and there
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needed to be some adjustments. He understood Councilman Mitchum' s
concern with regard to having no say in it.
Mayor Hayman pointed out that City Manager McMahon was going on
vacation and during his absence City Attorney Storey would be acting
as City Manager as well.
Mayor Hayman thought the consensus of Council was they would like to
put this particular item on the agenda at the May 5th meeting.
Mayor Hayman asked if they had a consensus with regard to the
Industrial Development Board that their revised bylaws needed to come
back to Council . Mr. Martin saw no reason they couldn' t do that.
There was further discussion regarding the creation of a line item in
the budget for economic development.
Councilman Mitchum asked if they would be coming to Council with
specific amounts . Mr. Martin informed him he thought they probably
would.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business to discuss, Councilman Jones moved to
adjourn. The meeting adjourned at 10 : 15 p.m.
Minutes submitted by:
Lisa Bloomer, CMC
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