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EDGEWATER FIREFIGHTER'S PENSION FUND
MINUTES
REGULAR MEETING
Thursday, April 30, 1992
6:38 P.M.
The Regular Meeting of the Firefighter I s Pension Fund was called
to Order by Chairman Al Gilbert on Thursday, April 30,1992 at 6:38
P.M. in the Conference Room of City Hall.
ROLL CALL: Members present were: Mr. Ben Wagner, Mr. Robert
Morin, and Chairman Al Gilbert. Lt.Carson arrived at 6:47 p.m.
Firefighter James Castetter arrived at 7: 22. Also present was
Attorney Robert Sugarman, Bill Thomas and Steve Burkhalter from
Shearson Lehman Brothers and Recording Secretary Lisa R. Warren.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
were submitted for
minutes as written.
The Minutes of the March 24, 1992 meeting
approval. Mr. Wagner moved to accept the
Mr. Morin seconded. Motion CARRIED 3-0.
UNFINISHED BUSINESS: Chairman Gilbert introduced the Board
Attorney, Robert Sugarman, Mr. Thomas and Mr. Burkhalter from
Shearson Lehman Brothers. There was discussion regarding the
contract with Shearson Lehman Brothers for Custodian of pension
funds. Mr. Sugarman stated the objective when he was hired was to
provide the greatest amount of protection for the Board. He
stated the place where the Board has the most liability is in
investment decisions and what they wanted to do was to take that
fiduciary responsibility off the Board's shoulders and delegate it
to someone else and have them accept that responsibility. He
stated they would not be able to do it at this time because the
fund is too small. Mr. Sugarman checked with some other clients
and none were as good as what Shearson Lehman is offering. Mr.
Sugarman stated the Board would still have the fiduciary liability
for making investments, but for $40,000 they can't go wrong. He
stated that neither himself nor Shearson Lehman Bros. would let
them jump into the stock market. Chairman Gilbert asked if they
would meet all the State requirements by doing this. Mr. Sugarman
stated they need to find out the actual name of the trust company
in New York that is going to hold the paper for Shearson Lehman.
Mr. Burkholder stated the only thing Shearson might purchase for
the Fund that they would not hold would be a bank C.D. of which
all parties would be issued a receipt. There was discussion
regarding the agreements and resolutions that need to be suited to
the Board's needs. Mr. Sugarman advised the Board to sign the
agreement and then send a Letter of Instruction to Shearson
saying even though this contract says we can do all of this stuff,
these are the things we're telling you not to do and they will
send us a letter saying they acknowledge these instructions and
will follow them.
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Mr. Burkhalter stated without the contract they can't do business
but they can open the account and accept the transfer of funds.
There was a discussion regarding Ginny Mae investments, Fanny Mae
investments, and Money Market investments and their differences.
Mr. Sugarman stated the way this was going to work is Shearson
would give the Board a proposal and an order form. If the Board
agrees the Board would have to approve every purchase by voting on
it and signing it. Everything would be in writing.
Mr. Wagner moved to approve execution of the 1) Cash Account
Client Agreement 2) Resolutions 3) the Letter of Instruction by
the Chairman on behalf of the Board. Lt. Carson seconded.
Chairman Gilbert asked if all 5 Board members signatures could go
on it. Mr. Burkhalter stated you should be able to. Chairman
Gilbert asked if there could be any two of the five signatures
required on the checks. Motion CARRIED 4-0.
Lt. Carson moved to approve the investment of the money once it is
transferred in the American Express Government and Agencies, Inc.
Mutual Fund until specific securities are recommended by Shearson
Lehman Bros. and approved by the Board and to authorize the
Chairman to do everything possible to get the money moved from the
City over to Shears on Lehman Bros. Mr. Wagner seconded. Motion
CARRIED 4-0.
Mr. Sugarman stated he would redo the agreement, and explained the
procedure to move the money from the City to Shears on Lehman. He
stated the money sits in a government mutual fund until Shears on
Lehman corne up with recommendations for the Board. The Board
meets and all recommendations are in the form of an order form in
writing, and the Board can make a motion, sign and then they own
it.
Chairman Gilbert asked once the money 1S in place if the Board
could give Shearson some of the bills to be paid out of the
account. Mr. Burkhalter stated they would issue the Board a
multisignature checkbook if that is what they wished, or the Board
could give Shearson an order and a letter of instruction for each
check. The general concensus was to use the second option and glve
Shearson an order with a letter of instruction for each check.
Mr. Burkhalter asked if they wanted to sign the Cash Agreement
tonight. Mr. Sugarman stated before they sign it they need to
decide on the name of the fund. He suggested Edgewater
Firefighter's Pension Fund; the Board agreed.
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Chairman Gilbert called for a short recess at 7:12 p.m. Meeting
resumed at 7:15 p.m. Chairman Gilbert noted for the record Mr.
Wagner had to leave for personal business and there were three
Board members still present.
Chairman Gilbert stated another matter that had come up was one of
the Firefighters who was terminated for cause, Mr. Finch, and who
had been reinstated. He added Mr. Finch was paid his money and
needed to find out if he was required to have an EKG before he
could come back in the pension plan. Chairman Gilbert stated he
told Mr. Finch that if he needed an EKG to come back on fund the
Board would pay for it. Mr. Sugarman asked if this was the first
new hire since the pension plan began. Lt. Carson stated there
were three others. Mr. Sugarman asked if they were given
physicals. Lt. Carson stated they were given pre-emploYment
physicals by the City. Mr. Sugarman asked if the Board had the
results of the physical in its records. Lt. Carson stated he did
not know. Mr. Sugarman stated they needed them and asked Ms.
Warren to get them because July 26th they become secret because of
the ADA. He added that it should be added to the City Physical
that it is being done for the City and the Pension Fund, otherwise
they become confidential. Chairman Gilbert asked if we could
still get them. Mr. Sugarman stated on new hires we can't get
them unless the employee is told the physical is being done for
both the City and the Pension Board so the Board gets a copy, and
we should get all the prior ones while we can. Mr. Sugarman
stated the reason physicals are given is for the Heart and Lung
Bill and if the employee at the time they were hired had a
physical and the condition they claimed disabled them was not
shown then they get the service connected pension. He stated the
Board needed to know if there are any pre-existing conditions
which could affect disability.
Mr. Sugarman stated if the physical the City gives is adequate,
then the Board should get a copy of it. He asked in Mr. Finch's
case if he was reinstated or a new hire. Lt. Carson stated he was
reinstated. Mr. Sugarman stated if he was reinstated and it was
an unpaid leave of absence with the same seniority without the
amount of time he was gone, he is back in the fund. He added even
though the Board gave Mr. Finch his money back, as he was
reinstated the Board has to give him credit for the time he worked
here and he has to give the money back.
Chairman Gilbert stated he spoke with him about that and Mr. Finch
doesn't have the money to pay back. Mr. Sugarman stated it would
be better to work out some terms to pay it back otherwise he would
be required to sign waivers.
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Mr. Sugarman advised the Board to appoint a member to negotiate
with Mr. Finch over terms of repayment in what ever terms that
are acceptable to the Board. Chairman Gilbert appointed Lt.
Carson to negotiate with Mr. Finch. Mr. Sugarman stated he isn't
concerned how long it takes for Mr. Finch to repay the money with
interest as long as he repays it before he retires. He added at
the next meeting they could make a motion to approve the terms of
repayment.
Lt. Carson asked if since the physicals are part of the patient's
confidential record does the Board need to get a signed release
from the Firefighters so the records can be released to the Board.
Mr. Sugarman stated that would be better, but it is not necessary.
Mr. Sugarman stated all the City has to do is put on the pre-
employment physical a rubber stamp saying Edgewater Firefighter's
Pension Fund so the person knows the Board is going to get a copy
as well as the City. Mr. Sugarman stated these records have to be
kept confidential.
New Business: Chairman Gilbert stated the only item under new
business was the Florida Public Pension Trustee Conference In
Orlando on July 5,6,7. There was discussion regarding the
benefits of the Conferences. Lt. Carson moved to send whoever
wants to go to the Conference to let Chairman Gilbert know and the
reservations would be made. Mr. Morin seconded. Motion CARRIED 4-
O. Firefighter Castetter being present and Mr. Wagner being
absent.
There being no more business to come before the Board at this time
Lt. Carson moved to adjourn. Mr. Morin seconded. Meeting
adjourned 7:27 p.m.
Minutes respectfully submitted by:
Lisa R. Warren, Recording Secretary
If any person decides to appeal any decision made by the Pension
Board of Trustees with respect to any matter considered at the
above meeting, that person will need a record of the proceedings
and, for such purpose, may need to ensure that a verbatim record
of the proceedings is made, which record includes the testimony
and evidence upon which the appeal is to be based.
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