08-16-1994 - Budget Workshop CITY COUNCIL OF EDGEWATER
WORKSHOP
AUGUST 16, 1994
7 :00 P.M.
COMMUNITY CENTER
MINUTES
Call To Order
Mayor Hayman called the Budget Workshop to order at 7 : 00 p.m. in the
Community Center.
Roll Call
Mayor Jack Hayman Present
Councilman Kirk Jones Excused
Councilwoman Louise Martin Present
Councilman Michael Hays Present
Councilman David Mitchum Present
City Attorney Krista Storey Present
City Manager George McMahon Present
City Clerk Susan Wadsworth Present
Police Chief Lawrence Schumaker Present
Overview of General Fund Budget - City Manager
City Manager McMahon presented the highlights of the General Fund
Budget with regard to any increases and decreases within each
department. He also identified items he wanted Council to consider
and commented on the reductions that had to be made to balance the
budget.
Questions by City Council on Overview
Mayor Hayman commented on the affect of the inflation to the Consumer
Price Index. He also commented on additional increases to the
taxpayers and felt they needed to look at increases holistically, not
independently. They have to decide whether they can afford to raise
taxes . He was going to be looking at accountability as he had to
answer to his constituents.
Review of all General Fund City Departments
City Manager McMahon then presented the City Council' s budget.
Mayor Hayman asked about the increase to Books, Publications and
Subscriptions, which included conferences attended by the Council .
City Manager McMahon and Finance Director Fred Munoz elaborated.
Mayor Hayman was willing to tighten his belt if the other
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Councilmembers were too in order to have a no growth budget and go
back to last year' s budget to save some money.
There was then a brief discussion regarding what they had actually
spent within this fiscal year. It was determined they would go over
as they still had to finish out this fiscal year.
Mayor Hayman was willing to not attend the Florida League of Cities
conference in order to save money. He felt one or two people could
represent the entire Council .
Dan Hatfield, 231 N. Old County Road, stated he was going to be on the
Council next year so he would have to live with the budget. He wanted
to know if it would be proper for him to ask questions . There was no
objection from Council.
Mr. Hatfield asked if he had to take the City' s health and life
insurance as he and his wife already had insurance. City Manager
McMahon informed him he did not and that it was an option.
Mayor Hayman identified he took the insurance but was going to
withdraw from it. Mr. Hatfield felt that would be a small savings .
It was the consensus of Council to retain $6, 774 in Books,
Publications and Subscriptions .
Mayor Hayman asked Mr. Munoz what the affect would be in the reduction
with regard to him withdrawing from the insurance. Mr. Munoz wasn' t
sure but identified he could back out Mayor Hayman' s total when they
do the next configuration of this .
Councilman Hays felt they would see a substantial increase in
insurance rates over the next year overall.
Mr. Munoz answered questions presented by Councilman Hays with regard
to Other Contractual Services .
Councilman Hays asked if they wanted to discuss the Promotional
Activities . Councilman Mitchum then commented on the Chamber of
Commerce being taken out of Promotional Activities in the City
Council' s budget. He felt they needed to work that back into the
budget.
Councilman Hays commented on a proposal to generate funds for parks
and recreational programs . He believed the Chamber of Commerce would
be helpful to them with those programs . He also felt they needed to
work the Chamber back into the budget.
Councilwoman Martin and Councilman Mitchum were both for putting the
Chamber of Commerce back into the budget.
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Mayor Hayman commented on having a problem last year with regard to
putting money in the budget for the Chamber and Volusia County
Business Development Corporation as he felt this was a gift with no
strings attached for accountability. He was hoping for this budget
year they would have them identify what they did for Edgewater with
the money the City gave them. Since then in public meetings on two
separate occasions he has asked folks to tell them what they did with
their dollars this year and what they were planning on doing with the
dollars next year. Privately and in other meetings he has had with
the Chamber and VCBDC he has informed them he had a personal problem
endorsing any request for money unless they could tell him what they
did with the other money.
Mayor Hayman asked if the Council was agreeable to the Chamber of
Commerce telling them what they did with the FY 1993-1994 dollars,
which they were.
Steve Dennis, Chamber of Commerce, identified for Council what the
dollars given to them by the City were used for.
Mr. Dennis also answered questions presented by Mayor Hayman,
Councilwoman Martin and Councilman Hays.
Mr. Dennis informed Council about the job fair they were putting on as
well as a mini expo.
There was a discussion regarding a mammoth layoff at the Cape and the
Chamber of Commerce and networking those people into the job fair.
Mayor Hayman wanted to know what the Chamber was going to do for them
next year. Mr. Dennis spoke of having a stronger relationship with
the VCBDC and developing a better system of helping their economic
development prospects with expediting the process .
Mayor Hayman commented on asking Mr. Clark to give them a proposal on
developing an economic development program for the City. They want
this program to be able to grow to include New Smyrna and Oak Hill and
they can all capitalize on the process. If the Chamber wasn' t a part
of that, he felt they were in deep trouble. He expressed concern with
the Chamber doing something by itself and the City funding it and the
City also hiring Mr. Clark to come in and do something for them. He
felt they needed to do it as a team and he hoped the Chamber would pay
some of the expenses to be a part of that team. He didn' t want to
spend the dollars twice to do the same thing. Mr. Dennis identified
some of the things they heard at the economic development symposium
were some of the same things the Chamber intended to carry forward.
The Chamber had already offered their services to Mr. Clark.
City Manager McMahon spoke of receiving the economic development
proposal from Mr. Clark. He felt if they do it right, the City could
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become the model for Volusia County. Councilman Hays and Mayor Hayman
agreed.
There was a discussion regarding the literacy program the Chamber
helped institute into this area, the Multi-Cultural Task Force.
Mayor Hayman asked Mr. Dennis what the amount was that the Chamber was
asking for for FY 1994-1995. Mr. Dennis informed him $ . 50 per capita.
Mr. Munoz identified the amount as being $8, 373 .
It was the consensus of Council to fund the Chamber of Commerce for FY
1994-1995 in the amount of $8, 373 .
Mayor Hayman then wanted to hear from Jerry Fox who was the Director
of the Volusia County Business Development Corporation.
Jerry Fox, Director, Volusia County Business Development Corporation,
identified it wasn' t possible for them to identify what they did with
the City' s $7, 500 specifically. He identified they do job creation
and commented on some of the successes they have had such as the Kayat
operation which was more than 35 jobs and was attracting attention.
He was also working with another company who was looking to buy two or
three acres to build another plant with about 20 jobs . He spoke of
the 163 new jobs at Boston Whaler as a result of the consolidation of
their plant here rather than in Massachusetts. He also mentioned a
significant expansion that involved Coronado Paint. They also helped
arrange a road fund improvement project on Air Park Road. They manage
the Volusia County Opportunity Fund which helps existing industries to
expand as well as bring new ones in. He had five pending Opportunity
Fund applications from this area, all but one were in the City of
Edgewater. He also identified some of the smaller things they helped
with.
Mr. Fox goes around the County talking about Edgewater as a leader.
He commented on what Edgewater was doing with the Capital Improvement
Program and the Street Paving Program, which he felt were economic
development improvements that would greatly improve the attractiveness
of Edgewater to prospects that they bring here.
Mr. Fox further commented on some of the publications and brochures
they have done. He also mentioned a special video that was done just
of Edgewater, which turned out to be very useful with prospects . They
supported everything Mr. Dennis said about economic development and
working as a team 100% .
Mr. Fox then commented on the different committees they have and what
they do.
Mr. Fox identified they were trying to get $1 per person total out of
the County and City governments . They wanted to see the $ . 50 per
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capita come from the City of Edgewater to match the $ . 50 that was
coming from the County budget.
Mr. Fox then answered questions presented by Mayor Hayman with regard
to the total dollar request of the five Opportunity Fund applications
the VCBDC had.
There was a brief discussion regarding how much the VCBDC' s overall
budget was and how much of that was salaries and benefits .
Mayor Hayman asked Mr. Fox to make a comparison between VCBDC and
comparable organizations in other counties in the State, which he did
by identifying they have the lowest per capita support for economic
development in any county in Central Florida.
Mr. Fox further commented on not taking full credit for any job that
comes into the County because they don' t do it by themselves . It is a
cooperative effort and credit goes to everyone.
Mr. Fox also commented on the need to do more advertising and more
marketing which is where they get the good prospects .
There was then a brief discussion regarding the costs associated with
sending Mr. Todd Cotis down to the North Miami area for a yacht
manufacturer.
Mayor Hayman commented on the property adjacent to Boston Whaler that
was probably the last area left in the State of Florida that was
available for a manufacturer to come in and build anything he wants
without going through a lot of hoops . They have a resource that one
day will blossom into something beautiful.
Mayor Hayman spoke of the help the VCBDC had provided to Edgewater
with regard to trying to convince a business to relocate here from
North Miami, which was not a dead deal yet.
The VCBDC was asking for $. 50 per capita which was what the Council
had previously budgeted for the Chamber.
Mr. Fox then spoke of having supplier/buyer relationships inside the
County.
Mayor Hayman asked the Council' s feelings on contributing a $ .50 per
capita contribution for FY 1994-1995 to the VCBDC.
Mr. Munoz identified last year they had $7, 000 for VCBDC and $10, 000
for general economic development. This year they had $7, 000 for
general economic development and no money for VCBDC.
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Councilman Hays expressed concern with duplicating services and
identified the VCBDC was already receiving $ . 50 per person from the
City through the County. He had a responsibility to look at the
dollars and cents and hold that down to a minimum. He felt they
needed to decide on a total dollar amount and how they were going to
apportion the money.
Mayor Hayman felt they needed to support the VCBDC and isolate
internal and external contributions . He felt they should ask the
VCBDC and the City' s Economic Development Board to create a
partnership. Councilman Hays felt they could better coordinate
efforts that way.
Mayor Hayman suggested they take the money they had allocated for
Economic Development and the Chamber of Commerce and put the Economic
Development Board, the Volusia County Business Development Corporation
and the Chamber of Commerce together to come up with a program that
met the proposed budgets. If they went beyond that amount they would
have to justify that for the Council.
Councilman Hays felt the Chamber of Commerce had been addressed and
settled but they had two economic development line items which were
asking to do the same thing. Mayor Hayman felt economic development
included the Chamber as well.
Councilman Hays felt the Chamber was their local dollar. The VCBDC
had a budget through the County that everyone in the County pays into.
He didn' t think they could afford to do an extra $ . 50 and then go into
economic development here in the City and do another budget line item.
They needed to draw the line somewhere.
There was a brief discussion regarding revisiting the ad valorem tax
issue.
Mayor Hayman spoke of the purpose of the Chamber of Commerce being
economic development and striving for a partnership and collaborative
effort of all the people involved with economic development. He felt
they would be remiss if they didn' t totally address economic
development line items in the budget.
Councilman Hays further commented on requesting the Chamber of
Commerce assist with the parks and recreational programs over the next
year. Mr. Fox spoke of trying to get into all aspects of economic
development. They are now promoting tourism as well.
There was further discussion regarding the $7, 000 that was put in the
budget for economic development.
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Councilman Hays wanted to revisit the ad valorem tax issue again. He
expressed concern with reaching a point in the budget where there
wouldn' t be any money once they got towards the end.
Councilman Mitchum agreed with Councilman Hays' philosophy. He felt
in all fairness the VCBDC had put an investment back into Edgewater.
He proposed they fund the VCBDC in the same capacity they did last
year and that they also address something for the Economic Development
Board.
It was the consensus of Council to roll over again for 1994-1995 what
they did in 1993-1994, which was less than the $ . 50 per capita for the
VCBDC.
Philip Fong, referenced a memo submitted to Council dated August 12th
and commented on the VCBDC, the Economic Development budget, a
redevelopment and future development study and a tourism coalition
with regard to industrial development. He further commented on there
being a number of environmental analyses they were ready to do. He
felt the question was what the priority was in terms of economic
development and how critical it was. He questioned what percentage of
the budget was being directed towards economic development.
Mayor Hayman commented on just finishing a capital improvement project
in excess of $40 million. They have everybody working on another $15
million project. He felt the City had really committed itself so
severely that they were constrained now looking at what Mr. Fong
wanted for economic development.
Mr. Fong identified the items outlined in the memo were items they
felt in the next fiscal year that they would make a priority of
working on. He expressed his appreciation of Council' s consideration.
Councilwoman Martin asked if the reports and surveys they were talking
about were available from other agencies without compiling an
extensive list as opposed to make their own report. Mr. Fong
identified the studies they were looking at being studies for specific
areas .
Councilwoman Martin referred to the Chamber and VCBDC and felt they
were piling up on each other. Mr. Fong felt they were working on
different things due to economic development having many aspects to
it. He identified the redevelopment study as being very localized and
very specific to the specific needs they have, which were identified
by Council in the overall economic development plan.
There was a brief discussion regarding the need for a consultant to do
things beyond their scope and expertise with regard to what was being
done by Mr. Clark.
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Mayor Hayman felt if they bought into what Mr. Clark may be suggesting
to them that it would contain them. Councilman Hays felt they were
financially supporting economic development in many ways, some not as
visible as others . He felt the Economic Development Board needed to
have a bit more tunnel vision as far as their priorities and move on
that. He spoke of looking at U.S. #1 and a marina, which was not
priority to the community based on a survey done by the City. The
Council needed to make sure the Economic Development Board' s
priorities was the same as the community' s priorities .
Mr. Fong identified he was proposing a series of plans of things that
were going to happen. Councilman Hays felt they needed to look at one
thing and develop it and make sure it was growing and once it was
working to move on to the next. He spoke of the beautification that
was being done on U.S . #1 and this being done in stages because that
was more financially feasible. He further commented on this not being
a priority for the Economic Development Board as it was already being
worked on by the Beautification Committee and Parks and Recreation
Board.
Councilwoman Martin explained they had immediate financial plans at
the moment and as far as consultants and surveys, she didn' t feel they
should considerably raise the taxes of the people for something in the
future.
There was a brief discussion regarding protecting the proposal being
done by Mr. Clark.
Councilman Mitchum spoke of rolling the balance of the funds that
weren' t used this year into next year. City Manager McMahon
identified they couldn' t because they had to account for it this
fiscal year. If they committed the study before October 1st of this
year, then it would be incurred this year. Any money left over goes
into an unappropriated fund balance. He further identified the
Council could review the fund balance and pull money for specific
purposes . If there was a priority need in the community, Council had
the authority to go back into the fund balance and appropriate the
necessary amount back.
Councilman Mitchum assured Mr. Fong they weren' t ignoring the Economic
Development Board. He suggested they recognize the fact that Mr.
Fong may have some requests over the coming year and that they
prioritize those as they come in and look at them at that time. City
Manager McMahon recommended Council keep the $7, 000 that was in the
budget with regard to Mr. Clark having a second phase to his proposal .
There was further discussion with regard to budgeting $14, 000 for
Economic Development, with $7, 000 being specifically earmarked for
VCBDC.
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There was a five-minute recess at this time.
City Manager McMahon made a presentation by identifying the items
included in Promotional Activities in the City Council' s budget.
There was further discussion regarding the $275 that was budgeted last
year for the Indian River VFW Post 4532 to purchase flags for
gravesites. Mayor Hayman had the flags in his garage because he picked
them up due to the flags being left in the weather, which shouldn' t be
done to a flag in the first place. He informed them they weren' t
getting another $275 because he felt there was no reason to leave the
flags out in the element. They recovered 99. 9% of the flags and felt
they only needed to budget worse case $100 for next year for the
replacement of flags they lost, which he felt was fair.
Councilman Hays commented on the ICARE facility and the fact that they
are receiving money from the United Way and many other organizations .
There was further discussion regarding ICARE taking in abused children
and abused women. Last year they had 39 cases in Edgewater.
Councilman Hays asked Council if they wanted to consider taking the
$2, 000 putting it into a fund and if something special comes up the
money could be given out on a case by case basis and questioned if
that would be a better way to do that. City Manager McMahon informed
him that was up to Council.
Councilman Hays spoke of supporting the schools with their taxes . He
spoke of the schools being locked up and not being able to use them
for parks and recreational facilities . He hoped as they went through
the next year they could get some dialogue started there.
City Clerk Wadsworth pointed out that Indian River Elementary was
going to be one of the polling places .
Mayor Hayman identified they opened up their classrooms for adult
education at night and on the weekends . Councilman Hays wanted them
to open up their fields for soccer and like activities .
City Manager McMahon agreed to consolidate whatever they wished to do
and come back to them with appropriations . He questioned if they
wanted ICARE included in that or if they wanted it excluded.
Mayor Hayman commented on what United Way does. He felt ICARE
performed a necessary social function. He didn' t have a very high
comfort level that United Way would make up the $2, 000 loss for them.
Councilman Hays spoke of having another organization that has dealt
with the same issues with regard to dysfunctional facilities . He
would rather make the decision as the people come for the request
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verses having a line item budget. He hasn' t heard anything from ICARE
in a while and wasn' t aware what their status was .
City Manager McMahon identified they were now using forms explaining
what they are doing and what they are providing for the request.
It was the consensus of Council to pull the Chamber dollars out and
group everything else together and just call it Promotional Activities
and as people came in through the year after the budget is done, they
can issue the dollars they have available and when it is gone it is
gone.
There was further discussion regarding earmarking the two $1, 500
expenditures, which were specific for City functions, the Employee and
Board Appreciation dinners.
Mr. Munoz for clarification identified the items that would be lumped
together and left by themselves .
City Manager McMahon then presented the City Manager' s budget.
There was then a brief discussion regarding why Communication Services
was being decreased and why Miscellaneous was being decreased by $50 .
City Manager McMahon then presented the Personnel budget.
There was further discussion regarding only $160 being budgeted for
Overtime and the Personnel Director being an exempt employee who uses
Comp time.
Mr. Munoz and City Manager McMahon presented the Finance Department
budget.
There was then a discussion regarding the 6. 19% increase under Regular
Salaries and Wages .
Mr. Munoz further identified for Council the budget did not include
all of the Finance Department personnel. Some of the costs were
allocated to the Water, Sewer and Refuse Departments as a mechanism
for the City to allocate some of those costs out to the benefitting
enterprises.
Mr. Munoz commented on the accounting and auditing increase and the
$900 increase in Repair and Maintenance at the request of Mayor
Hayman.
Mr. Munoz commented on the reducing of the budget not being an easy
process .
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Mr. Munoz, City Attorney Storey and City Manager McMahon then
commented on the Legal Counsel Department budget. City Attorney
Storey identified for Council that litigation costs for outside
attorneys were covered under the Self Insurance budget.
Mr. Munoz then explained the reduction in retirement contributions for
Mayor Hayman.
There was a brief discussion regarding the potential for excess funds
with regard to Communication Services, which would go into the
unappropriated fund reserve.
Community Development Director Mark Karet presented the Community
Development budget.
Councilman Mitchum asked about the substantial increase in Repair and
Maintenance, which Mr. Karet explained for him.
Mr. Karet answered questions presented by Councilman Mitchum and Mayor
Hayman with regard to Machinery and Equipment.
There was further discussion with regard to the GIS system being
eliminated from this budget.
There was then a discussion with regard to postage, freight, and
Federal Express as it related to Transportation.
Mayor Hayman commented on Code Enforcement Officer Ms . Johnson working
under some guidelines from the Council not to vigorously go out and do
certain enforcement. He thought they were revisiting that. The
Council had recently discussed an ordinance that would take care of
derelict buildings . He was concerned if there was enough room in
there should the Council want to get tougher on appearance and if the
salary was covered. City Manager McMahon explained the salary was
covered for the level of Code Enforcement the City currently had.
City Attorney Storey identified the Building Abatement Code came under
the jurisdiction of Building.
Mayor Hayman felt the level of service would increase in Code
Enforcement. Mr. Karet further elaborated on his concerns .
Mayor Hayman commented on the Council decreasing the grass height from
24" to 12" and this creating more business, more appeals, more staff
time and more postage. He expressed concern with the level of service
increasing the cost to provide the service and he felt they were
moving in that direction.
City Manager McMahon commented on not knowing the level of activity
until the ordinance was enacted.
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There was further discussion regarding the $10, 000 that was budgeted
for derelict buildings being taken out of the budget. City Manager
McMahon identified it was taken out in order to balance the budget.
Councilman Hays felt it was important to put that back in the budget
due to the derelict buildings being a real issue. He felt if they
were going to have the ordinances in place they needed to have the
money in place to take care of the problem. He suggested the $10, 000
be put back into the budget. City Manager McMahon explained it
wouldn' t prevent them from enforcing an ordinance but it would call
for an appropriation from the fund balance.
There was a brief discussion regarding how long it would be before the
ordinance was enacted being around another two months .
Mayor Hayman felt the purpose of doing this was to take care of the
derelict buildings and the eyesores in the community. He agreed with
Councilman Hays with regard to if they are going to put an ordinance
on the books and don' t have the money to enforce it, they have really
done nothing.
There was further discussion with regard to the cost associated with
knocking a building down.
Some discussion occurred with regard to the theory in the County of
maintaining the smaller number of accounts and funds as possible.
There was a brief discussion regarding the Fire Department using the
derelict buildings for training.
It was the consensus of Council to use money in the Contingency Fund
with additional money to be appropriated back into the Contingency
Fund with regard to demolition, which resulted in no increase to this
line item.
Councilman Mitchum questioned there being $2000 worth of $500
increases and wanted to know what this was based on, which Mr. Karet
elaborated on.
There was then a discussion regarding the increase in personnel cost
as it related to hiring an additional inspector in the Building
Department and what that inspector would be responsible for.
There was further discussion with regard to the increase in Travel and
Per Diem as it related to changes in State laws and mandates .
Mr. Karet then identified for Councilwoman Martin what the City would
be renting that warranted a $1, 500 increase. She then asked about the
$3, 300 increase in Repair and Maintenance which he explained for her.
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Councilman Hays expressed concern with the department heads looking at
the expenses and if some of the mandates weren' t an essential function
of the department to hold back on those. Just because there is a
certain amount doesn' t mean it all has to be spent. City Manager
McMahon identified those items were scrutinized and that they came
through him for approval . Councilman Hays expressed concern with the
numbers getting higher each year and felt the State had to reach a
point where the unfunded mandates had to stop. Mr. Karet further
elaborated on having a significant increase this year.
Councilman Hays commented on the City' s impact fees reflecting dollars
that could pay for this part of the budget. Mr. Karet identified
additional authority with the land development regulations for the
City' s fees would be coming back to Council, where this could be
discussed further. He further commented on increasing building fees
being an extremely controversial topic.
There was then a discussion regarding the $3, 600 increase in Operating
Supplies.
Mayor Hayman referred to the FAX machine and felt every person who
wanted to obtain a permit quicker would be willing to pay the
additional cost. He felt this cost should be passed on to the
consumer in the permitting process .
Mayor Hayman then commented on training costs with regard to Travel &
Per Diem as it related to the building inspector and felt the person
hired should already be totally qualified. Mr. Karet identified they
would hire someone who met the qualifications of the position but
there were also continuing education costs .
Mayor Hayman spoke of being able to identify where people are in their
needs for continuing education, he knew the class they were going to
and what the available funds were. He felt the names and dates of
people that would consume the increase in the Travel and Per Diem for
this fiscal year could be provided to him. Mr. Karet confirmed he had
the backup data.
Mayor Hayman wasn' t satisfied with the explanation provided by Mr.
Karet with regard to the increase in Operating Supplies . Mr. Karet
further addressed his concerns by commenting on computer software
upgrades and other items that were included in the increase.
Mayor Hayman had no problem with the computer software but questioned
the need for more than one desk, one chair and one file cabinet. Mr.
Karet identified they were moving into new offices with additional
filing space.
Mayor Hayman then asked for an explanation with regard to the increase
to Repair & Maintenance, which Mr. Karet provided at this time.
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There was then a discussion with regard to the budget being $400, 000
over last year and the tax increase generating $100, 000, which was
included in the budget.
Councilman Mitchum was not opposed to a tax increase but would rather
do small incremental increases than a large increase at one time.
City Manager McMahon commented on the effort made to decrease the
budget and avoid a tax increase.
Mr. Munoz then identified the departments with the larger increases .
Mayor Hayman presented comments on the effects a decrease in the
budget has on the level of service the City provides . He suggested
they go through a review and analysis of the level of service with
regard to what they are doing now, what it is costing the City now and
what they were proposing to change.
After some discussion amongst Council, it was determined they would
adjourn for the evening and reconvene tomorrow night at 7 : 00 p.m. with
a time certain to adjourn of 10: 00 p.m. and if they didn' t finish they
would schedule another meeting.
There was further discussion identifying $213, 760 of the $411, 041
increase representing radios .
Adjournment
There being no further business to discuss, Councilwoman Martin moved
to adjourn. The meeting adjourned around 11 : 05 p.m.
Minutes submitted by:
Lisa Bloomer, CMC
Deputy City Clerk
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