08-15-1995 - Budget Workshop CITY COUNCIL OF EDGEWATER
BUDGET WORKSHOP
AUGUST 15, 1995
7:00 P.M.
COMMUNITY CENTER
MINUTES
CALL TO ORDER
Mayor Hayman called the Budget Workshop to order at 7 : 00 p.m. in the
Community Center.
ROLL CALL
Mayor Jack Hayman Present
Councilman Danny Hatfield Present
Councilwoman Louise Martin Present
Councilman Michael Hays Present
Councilman David Mitchum Present
City Attorney Krista Storey Present
City Manager George McMahon Present
City Clerk Susan Wadsworth Present
Police Chief Lawrence Schumaker Present
MEETING PURPOSE
The purpose of the meeting was to continue discussion regarding the
FY1995/1996 budget.
Economic Development Update
Mayor Hayman identified the first order of business would be the
discussion about the Chamber of Commerce, VCBDC and the Economic
Development Board.
Finance Director Fred Munoz presented Council with the detail of what
the Economic Development Board had spent since the beginning of the
year.
Jerry Fox, Volusia County Business Development Corporation, made a
presentation on behalf of the VCBDC by describing they are the ones
that sell the improvements that are made to the community to attract
business to the community.
Mr. Fox then commented on the VCBDC being successful in getting Boston
Whaler to locate here. He spoke of watching the company grow from 120
employees to 455 employees, which he felt was a major contribution to
the City even though they weren' t in the City limits . He further
commented on Kayat Engineering being brought here by the VCBDC. They
predicted employment of 35 and they were now at 50 and still growing.
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He then commented on WACO Manufacturing who started at 40 employees
and were now at 72 . He spoke of having projects underway at Edgewater
Machine and Dougherty Marine. Edgewater Machine was presently up to
50 employees . He identified Dougherty Marine was growing rapidly, not
only in product line but also in employees . He then commented on the
Coronado Paint project that was just completed. He further identified
their role was job creation and identified they caused 396 new jobs
since last year. He then commented on the Opportunity Fund Assistance
and the Edgewater area receiving 1/3 of that fund for growth for
companies here. He also commented on State Road Fund Assistance with
regard to road improvements . He also expressed their support of
Maglev. He spoke of working with Phillip Fong and the Chamber. One
of their five staff is down here two or three times a week with a
prospect. He had a prospect down here but they couldn' t come together
on the lease rate for the Consolidated PreStressed property. He had
also been with working with Scott Porta and his new project off of
Park Avenue. He further commented on no matter where the jobs are in
the County, he felt somebody from Edgewater would be working at one of
them. They run a nationwide advertising program in many different
national magazines . They attend seven trade shows a year. They do
prospecting trips on targeted industry groups in specific parts of the
Country. They publish all the data on the demographics for the
County.
Mr. Fox identified what they were seeking was one dollar per person
per year for economic development. The County provided $ . 50 per
person countywide and another $ . 50 per person for the unincorporated
areas of the County. They then come to the cities to ask for their
$ . 50 per person to fill in the rest of the dollar. All of the cities
do not participate. Most of the major cities have a contract with
them where $ . 50 per capita is automatically included in the budget
every year.
Councilman Hays asked if they wanted to handle these as three separate
line items . Mayor Hayman stated previously they budgeted $7, 000 for
VCBDC and $8, 500 for the Chamber. He didn' t see any reason why, if it
was the consensus of Council, to consolidate it all into one economic
development line number.
Councilman Hays felt some of the moneys were going to be utilized in
both areas for economic development. City Manager McMahon recommended
the Council come to its conclusions regarding how they want to fund
economic development and combine it under one budget. He felt the
appropriations should be specific.
Mr. Munoz identified there was $8, 548 budgeted for the Chamber and
$7, 000 budgeted for VCBDC with regard to economic development which
totaled $15, 548 . City Manager McMahon identified the Economic
Development Board' s request for their entire budget, which included
the Chamber and VCBDC, was around $39, 000 .
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Councilman Hays wanted to handle each item separately.
Councilman Hays thanked Mr. Fox for coming back tonight and providing
the specific information he provided to the Council .
Councilman Hays moved to approve the $7, 000 for the VCBDC, second by
Councilwoman Martin.
Councilman Mitchum stated Mayor Hayman' s first view of that was the
$ . 50 per capita was not out of line and asked him what his feelings
were on that. Mayor Hayman felt $7, 000 was a good start but believed
their request for $ . 50 per capita was justifiable . He asked that they
recognize VDBDC' s efforts with a $ . 50 per capita.
Councilman Hays stated he would withdraw his motion if Councilwoman
Martin would withdraw her second.
It was determined the amount at $ . 50 per capita would be $8, 548 .
It was the consensus of Council to approve the $ . 50 per capita for the
VCBDC at an amount of $8, 548 .
Steve Dennis, Executive Director, Southeast Volusia Chamber of
Commerce, made a presentation on behalf of the Southeast Volusia
Chamber of Commerce by commenting on working hand in glove with the
VCBDC.
Mr. Dennis then spoke of having no economic development program three
years ago. Last year they held a job fair in the Community Center and
were planning another one in September.
Mr. Dennis identified the Chamber received a minimum of 700 calls per
month on their 800 line. He then spoke of inquiries they receive from
all over the world and being instrumental in working with the
Southeast Volusia Advertising Authority.
Mr. Dennis then commented on difficulties in New Smyrna and Edgewater
enjoying a tremendous boom. He further spoke of working every day on
Edgewater' s behalf.
Mr. Dennis then commented on the Chamber being the tourism awning and
who the people see first.
Mr. Dennis also identified they were always representing the business
community. They have made a concerted effort to change their home
philosophy from the New Smyrna, Edgewater, and Oak Hill philosophy to
the Southeast Volusia philosophy and are representing a more regional
approach.
Mr. Dennis spoke about developing a better consensus with the elected
officials and about a focus luncheon that was held today where they
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talked about some issues the Chamber will be involved in and the lead
on.
Mr. Dennis spoke of working with Mr. Fong on the Economic Development
Board on their budget. He was approached by VCBDC to have a
representative, he was currently speaking to John Browning, go to the
Marine Show in Chicago in the first part of September. He also spoke
of going to the Miami Boat Show and having three prospects that have
contacted them. He further commented on wanting to combine more trade
show appearances and Fan Tours .
Councilman Hays spoke of being more skeptical a few years ago of the
Chamber' s willingness to work for the City of Edgewater versus some of
its other interests and he expressed some of that. He felt they had
risen to the challenge and have done a lot of work in the City that
they are seeing results from.
Mr. Dennis pointed out they had taken more than 16, 000 inquiries into
their Chamber alone . He also mentioned they were selling tickets for
the Christmas House for the City.
Mayor Hayman thanked the Chamber for coming. He spoke of going to the
Miami Boat Show to call on the CEO of a company that withdrew or
struck a red line through Edgewater as a potential site to relocate a
very nice high-end yacht manufacturing company. They wanted to have a
face to face with the CEO to try and persuade them to reconsider the
elimination of Southeast Volusia as a potential site to locate their
company. They were very pleased that the Chamber, an elected official
and the economic development community of Edgewater were down there
trying to find out what the problem was and work out a way to overcome
any problems they had. They learned later they had been put back on
the list and were under very serious consideration. He gave kudos to
Mr. Dennis, Mr. Fox and Mr. Fong who also attended the Miami Boat Show
on behalf of Edgewater.
Councilman Mitchum complimented the Chamber of Commerce and felt the
last few years they had really done a good job.
Councilman Mitchum and Councilman Hatfield both identified they felt
the Chamber deserved the $ . 50 per capita. Mr. Munoz assured them he
would be able to find the difference.
It was the consensus of Council to approve the $ . 50 per capita for the
Chamber of Commerce at an amount of $8, 548 .
Mayor Hayman commented on the fireworks the City does for the 4th of
July. He wanted help from the Chamber advertising Edgewater to help
raise donations towards the fireworks .
Councilman Mitchum pointed out New Smyrna was watching our fireworks
and didn' t want to pay.
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Councilman Mitchum asked if they could let Police Chief Schumaker go
home. Police Chief Schumaker was excused at this time .
Councilman Mitchum couldn' t support the type of budget the Economic
Development Board was asking for but he did support them. He further
spoke of the caliber they had on the Board and felt to not fund their
effort in some form would be a slap in the face to them. He agreed
with lumping the Chamber, VCBDC and the Economic Development Board
under Economic Development. He identified some things that were
repetitive to what the Chamber was doing and he suggested Mr. Fong
work very closely with the Chamber and the VCBDC to make next year a
beneficial year for all the entities . He asked what a bare bones
budget was that the Economic Development Board in conjunction with the
Chamber and VCBDC could work with.
Mr. Fong identified it was a hard question to answer and further
commented on the newsletter, which he didn' t feel was a duplication.
He spoke of the postage and printing also representing a cost. He
wanted to prioritize and let the final decision lie with the Council .
He then explained why he felt the studies were important.
Councilman Mitchum didn' t share Mr. Fong' s views with regard to tax
increment financing. He pointed out the Economic Development Board
budget last year was $7, 000 and of that $5, 500 was for the Business
Climate Analysis . He didn' t think this year there was any money for
more studies . He would support a budget of $3, 000 which would bring
the total economic development budget to about $20, 000 . If something
were to come up in the year, they have an opportunity at that point to
address it. If they could convince Council that they needed to do
something, the Council could always fund it.
Councilman Hays would support the $3, 000 but would support including
an additional $5, 000 in the budget in case something comes up.
Councilman Mitchum, Councilman Hays and Mayor Hayman agreed.
Mayor Hayman felt the discretionary $5, 000 should be used to entice
the big boat builder out of Miami . He didn' t think the $3, 000 should
be spent unless they could see a positive return in terms of economic
development dollars coming back into the City. He felt they needed to
become more proactive and maybe even a little reactive .
City Manager McMahon confirmed in putting the $5, 000 in the budget as
an open line item that it would be subject solely to Council' s
discretion and approval of any expenditure from that would come to
Council first.
It was the consensus of Council to budget a total of $8, 000 for the
Economic Development Board.
The total budgeted for economic development was $25, 096.
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Mr. Munoz identified the Chamber of Commerce, VCBDC and the Economic
Development Board would all be budgeted in one place.
There was a five-minute recess at this time.
Overview of City Enterprise Funds Budget - Utilities Director and
Public Works Director
City Manager McMahon identified they needed to settle where the
$25, 000 was coming from within the budget.
Councilman Mitchum suggested in the Fire Department budget, he felt
the land acquisition and land prep fee that was $25, 000 and the $4, 000
could wait another year. The final payment for the two fire trucks
was being made this year which would free up funds for next year.
There was further discussion regarding proceeding with the grant. If
a grant did come it would be into the following fiscal year before
they would have to match.
Council was in agreement with Councilman Mitchum' s suggestion.
There was a discussion regarding where they were at with the changes
Council had made to the budget.
Public Works Director Hugh Williams answered questions presented by
Councilwoman Martin with regard to the 100% increase under
improvements other than buildings with regard to the Refuse Department
budget.
Mr. Williams then answered questions with regard to Other Contractual
Services and if this amount was for tipping fees . Mr. Munoz informed
him it was a combination of tipping fees and recycling. City Manager
McMahon further commented on tipping fees potentially being raised at
the landfill .
Councilman Hays questioned if they should consider the increase in the
budget. Mr. Williams spoke about raising the $1 per month per house
for recycling to $1 . 50 . The City' s cost was $1 . 48 . He felt the
difference would cover the potential increase for the tipping fees .
His basic understanding was the increase was not being recommended by
Solid Waste staff but would produce $2 million that would help County
funds .
Councilman Mitchum questioned if some of Mr. Williams' personnel
retired or transferred with regard to salaries and wages going down
$202, 000 . Mr. Williams informed him some people had left that hadn' t
been replaced and they had some transfers within the organization.
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Councilman Hays questioned whether changes made to the routes and the
employees leaving when their routes were done was paying off in the
long run, which Mr. Williams explained the new rear loaders and the
task system had worked very well and the payoff to the City had been
taking one truck off the fleet which in turn reduced three people.
Mr. Williams informed Council this fiscal year they were not proposing
any new equipment for Refuse .
City Manager McMahon commented on people in the community feeling the
City should make certain improvements to the Stormwater Management
Maintenance Fund. There were no capital project costs . He identified
there was no money in the budget for significant problems such as the
Hart Avenue project. He spoke of also receiving calls from people
looking for assistance who have purchased properties in low elevated
areas . He also mentioned the City not being designed for urban growth
and was designed for agriculture.
Mayor Hayman referred to the undeveloped parcels in the Florida Shores
Road Improvement area that were adjacent to paved roads appreciating
because of the improvements that have been made to the roads and the
drainage system. He felt they should be able to go to the owners of
the unimproved parcels and ask for an additional $24 a year to help
defray the cost for maintenance of the drainage system. Mr. Williams
felt as a matter of justice, fairness and equity they had to.
There was further discussion regarding incurring an increased expense
for stormwater operation and maintenance, management and repair.
There was also discussion regarding this not being done before because
of it costing the City almost as much as they were trying to collect.
Councilman Hays felt if the collection of the money was the only
problem, they could look at an assessment charged against the property
on a yearly basis or put it on the tax rolls .
There was additional discussion on different ways the money could be
collected to help pay for drainage.
Mr. Williams anticipated they would have some dry retention areas that
would need to be mowed and identified they would be coming back to
Council for guidance on the level of mowing they wanted.
Councilman Hatfield mentioned the improvements made increasing the
level of service and the value of the properties so more revenue
should be generated from that that might help offset some of the cost.
Mayor Hayman spoke of having a mechanism to lien the property.
City Manager McMahon spoke of the properties being assessed and taxed
for the improvements . Mayor Hayman identified he was talking about
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the maintenance which was a different thing. City Manager McMahon
felt they would need to look at the maintenance further.
Councilman Hays felt once the retention ponds were in place, there
would be maintenance costs that would be justified.
Mr. Williams identified he didn' t think it was a dependable revenue
stream and that it was an equity issue.
Mayor Hayman asked about the appropriated retained earnings dropping
46.2%, which Mr. Williams and Mr. Munoz explained for him.
There was a brief discussion regarding the improvements made to the
18th Street canal that were being done in-house.
Mr. Williams commented on aeration devices that they were using in
some of the ponds to help with algae control that had the potential to
save the City a lot of money.
Utilities Director Terry Wadsworth commented on the funding problem
with the 800 megahertz system and further described his entire budget
called for $39, 000 worth of equipment, which had been placed in the
budget, of which the total equipment came to about $29, 000 so without
altering his budget he could accommodate about another $10, 000 worth
of equipment.
There was a discussion regarding the Emergency Operations Center being
located at the Alan R. Thomas Water Treatment Plant at I-95 and SR 442
and the Fire House being used as another EOC location.
Mr. Wadsworth then presented an overview of the Utilities Department
budget by describing the highlights .
Mr. Wadsworth described what a jumping jack was for Councilman
Mitchum.
Councilman Hays and Councilman Mitchum complimented Mr. Wadsworth for
the information provided to them with regard to his budget which they
felt was very helpful .
City Manager McMahon spoke of wishing they were able to afford to pay
the State Revolving Loans for $7 million to finish the reuse. Mr.
Wadsworth described he was confident they wouldn' t need to expand the
reuse system.
Mayor Hayman questioned there being no revenue stream for water
revenue for the southern area utility region customers they might have
during that fiscal year. Mr. Wadsworth explained they may be able to
hook up some people in our area but he didn' t want to speculate how
much revenue that would produce .
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Councilman Hays spoke of pumping reuse into and out of Mango Tree
Lake. He asked if they were budgeting to move in that direction next
year. Mr. Wadsworth identified the money he had budgeted was for
burming, pumps and modifications to the reuse system. He also spoke
of the need to get a cover for the existing reuse tank.
Mayor Hayman commented on the budget increase for Field Operations
with regard to increasing personnel and field operation requirements
because of the expansion facilities . Mr. Wadsworth explained there
was no actual increase in personnel and personnel transfers that were
done within his department.
There was then a discussion regarding the age and condition of some of
the other areas for water and sewer in the northern part of the City
with regard to money that had been budgeted and CDBG funding that may
be available in the amount of $75, 000 . Mr. Wadsworth also described
piggybacking the Port Orange bid for slip lining. In the past they
paid $48 to $52 per foot, which they were getting for $37 per foot
under this bid. They were going to be starting the slip lining on
October 1St
Mayor Hayman complimented Mr. Wadsworth for the organization and
presentation of his budget.
Councilman Mitchum referred to City Manager McMahon' s memo dated
August 15, 1995 regarding the City' s Self Insurance Fund and expressed
his concerns about the fund not being able to maintain itself as it
was originally set up to do.
City Manager McMahon further commented on his suggestion to remedy the
situation.
Councilman Mitchum commented on the main cost of this fund being the
maintenance of it and the fact that they weren' t paying out a lot for
claims . What had happened over the last three or years was they paid
for the expense of the fund out of the fund balance which he
identified had to stop.
City Manager McMahon informed Council if they concurred with this and
by consensus approved this as their operating policy for that fund,
the Finance Department would automatically take direction from this
policy and annually make that appropriation. He further commented on
operating a tight budget.
There was further discussion regarding trying to recover essentially
$150, 000 to $160, 000 over the next two or three years and the $24, 000
that was budgeted for claims and judgments .
It was the consensus of Council to adopt a policy wherein annually an
amount of money would be restored to this fund as a restricted asset
exclusively to this fund through a portion of the amount of money
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added to the fund balance each year from the unappropriated fund
balance.
Mayor Hayman confirmed Councilman Mitchum had received the Travel &
Per Diem report he requested at which time Councilman Mitchum pointed
out five departments were over their limit in travel and per diem but
that overall they were at 80 . 4% . City Manager McMahon identified what
happened within the Utilities Department as it related to Travel & Per
Diem.
Councilman Hays then identified he wanted Council' s support to sit
down and look at the feasibility of the City getting into the cable
television business as an Enterprise Fund, which he felt would work
and could be a revenue source. He felt they needed to look at other
revenue sources .
Councilman Hatfield expressed his support but questioned having money
in the budget for a study. Councilman Hays spoke about staff finding
out the very basic information.
Mayor Hayman felt they all agreed. He further commented on Daytona
Beach Shores already having everything wired for cable television and
requiring the builders to wire the condos for it. They were very
close to turning it on.
City Manager McMahon commented on getting preliminary information and
it being impossible to try and buy out someone like Time Warner, who
was now CVI but he did think they had a right to go into the business
as some cities had done that and were successful .
It was the consensus of Council to support this by taking an initial
look to see whether it is a direction they wanted to go.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business to discuss, Councilman Mitchum moved
to adjourn. The meeting adjourned around 9: 45 p.m.
Minutes submitted by:
Lisa Bloomer, CMC
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