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WORKSHOP MEETING OF THE CITY OF EDGEWATER
REGULAR MEETING HELD
MARCH 14, 1974
Mayor David C. Severance called the Regular Workshop Meeting
of the City of Edqewater, Florida to order on Thursday March
14, 1974 at 7:00 P.M.
Mayor Severance gave thef100r to Mr. Brown, discussing
environmental land management, Helms Committee Repott.
Mr. Brown stated that he will be talking about one or two
bills that are comming through the 1egistature. The first bill
is the local government comprehensive planning act of 1974.
It basic1y deals with growth plans for municipalities, Counties
and other districts. It will set down certain elements that you
the local government must include in your comptehensive plan, secondly
it sets down a time frame within you must comply. That time frame
is from July 1st of 174 to July 1st of 177. If you are within
wholey I or partially within the coastal zone and thats a particular
area within Florida thats defined by another stature. Then in
addition to the land use plan, which includes traffic, water, sewer
density, low income housing plus others, in addition to that you
have got to inc1udein your plan elements about coastline erosion
and etc. What it is doing is saying that Edgewater must come up
with plans, we're not telling you whats going to be in the plan
except that it must include certain elements, certain areas.
When the plan is completed then you must send it to Tallahassee
to determine if it includes all those elements. If you don't do
it then the County resumes responsibiiity, if they don1t do it
then the State comes in. and resume responsibility. The bill includes
an appropriation. Mr. Brown went on in more detail about this.
Councilman Clinton asked Mr. Brown if he could help us get t a
red light at Ocean Street and Highway No.#l, which is in the school zone.
Mr. Brown stated that if he can get an official request from
the City then he will pursue it.
Mayor Severance stated that he would like to introduce to the
Council Mr. Fern8ndez from Briley, Wild & Assoc. Mayor Severance
stated that we a,k~d Mr. Fernandez to come down for a casual meeting.
He then qave the floor to Mr. Bevel.
Councilman Bevel stated that suggested that we increase the size
of the Sewer Plant which would increase our capasity for the number
of customers. WE put in two new wel1s,1IIt a new treatment plant.
We put in extended water lines in Florida Shores, and in some areas
that don't have water that are in the City Limits. He stated that
he would like to check to see how much money or a thought t of
that amount needed to do this.
Mr. Fennandez stated that probably the biggest problem with finaDces
right now is pro~ably the old bond ordinance. It is extreemly
restrictive as far as what its requirements are prior to issuance
.. of the new power pursuit bonds. He stated that he spoke with
the FHA people in Gainesville, and they will not take a junior
1ein. The problem is, that the two biggest requirements are
that you are required to have 200% of JBHX the maximun year is
required in reserve. Before you could start out with any additional
you would have to have about $185,000.00+in your reserve account.
He stated that Rep. Brown has brought j~x one suggestion that has
been used by a lot of Cities for generating revenue,and it is
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available are raising your V:ater fates, and or bring some sort of
equality to your water and ~ Ik sewer system rates.
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Councilman Bevel stated that right now we have a suggestion in
from the Zoning and Planning Board which wbu1d probably be discBBsed
tonight, and hopefully we are going to get the auditors decision
on who's going to be our auditors, then get an auditors report
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Mayor Severance asked Mr. Fernandez if he had reviewed the report
that Mr. Gilbert sent us in regards to updating the Water Plant and
supplying the increase of water ahd so forth.
Mr, Fernandez stated that yes he had reviewed this report. He said
that there are alternative approaches, a possibility would be of
cuttino down on the length of your raw water-main, and putting in
automatic controls and operating a remote plan.
Mayor Severance stated that it was the feeling of the Council, last
year, that we needed more water for the City,-and we felt that with
the growth of the City 90ing to be to the south and to the west,
and we have a tank down in the Florida Shores area, we felt that
running the two additional wells in that area and putting another
fully automated plant in that area tied in with the one up here
and working down there.
Mr. Fernandexstated that that you would have to find out what the
quality of water is in that area. Part of the problem is that
the State~ is contro1ino water more carefully then they did when
the original plant was put in. The new plant would probably
require fi1teringl.11 wlii IS
Mayor Severance stated that what we need to do is to give the
authorization to the engineer to run this study on this impac~
for the city of ~dgewater and come up with a fesib1e plan on it.
Monday night we can make the formal motion.
Mayor Severance introduced Mr. Cunningham From May, Zima & Co.
auditors. Hes stated that the city has asked him to come down
to talk to us about the accounting situation here in Edgewater.
Mr. Cunningham stated that he has talked to the City Clerk,
and thet they are qualified to do the job. We do audit all of
the municipi1ities from St. Augostine to titusville, with a few
exeeptions. All account~ is charge~ on an hourly basis.
If we aregoinq to run into anything that is going to run" you into
more money, we will come and talk to you about this.
Mayor Severance stated that the City Clerk has recommended May,
Zima & Co. and what we should do is to instruct the Attorney to
draw up a resolution for Monday night covering this particular
item~. The main thi"8 problem that we have got is that we
could not follow the previous auditors. When they gave us the
audit report we didn't know where we were.
Mr. Cbnningham stated that the figure could be more or it could
be less, we give you a figure of what you can budget, because you
do have to make up a budget each year.
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BIllS & ACCOUNTS
GENERAL GOVERNMENT
Southern Bell
Florida Power & light
Dwight's
Bank of New Smyrna Beach
City of Edgewater
Edgewater Motors
Watkins Ford
Williams Welding
Hall Machine Works
204.68
210.61
3.35
12.00
55.30
44.35
10.00
16.60
28.64
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American Hardware
Joe Smith
RoPP's Automotive
City Hall
Daniel hi. Cory
Dajtona Fire E~uipment
Tipton's Florist
Dr. Davis
Ace Hardware
New Smyrna News
Gray Drugs
Oasis Car Wash
Commercial Printers
Taylor Bros. Tire
Robert F. Jones
Thomas H. Sheldon
hlilliam Pickelman
Sa-So Inc.
New Smyrna Beach Police Dept.
Diversified Electronics
Smyrna Auto
Ward LaFrance
Biscayne Fire Equipment
Joeseph B. Weaver
38.33
729.50
11 .50
10.59
1. 34
10.20
118.65
15.00
7.95
16.45
2. 11
5.25
67.50
52.94
6.73
5.05
33.65
21 .81
108.00
598.22
59.50
30.95
1,039.83
237.50
3,816.02
WATER & SEWER
Southern Bell
American Hardware
Florida Power & Light
Edgewater Manufacturing Co.
B & H. Sales
Edgewater Red & White
Orlande Armature
City of Edgewater
Water Pollution Control
Burroughs Corp.
Southern Paint
Dobbs Electric
New Smvrna Builders Supply
Hall Machine Works
New Smyrna Plumbing Supply
Allied Chilorine
Chemical Equipment
Utility Supply
Badger Meter
Hughes Supply
16.80
31D.50
1,101.54
110.09
51.59
i3.18
140.62
.1:5.45
25.00
54.08
22.88
216.50
4.49
78.00
16.12
877.50
8.50
.98
1,063.44
230.29
3,968:55
FEDERAL REVENUE SHARING
BISCAYNE Fire Equipment
2,000.00
Councilman Lodico stated that Mr. Copeland was here to talk
with us about the potboles in the roads.
Mr. Copelandstated that the roads have some small holes and
some large ones. It's hard to work it by the hour. He said
that he would work for a flat fee Bi per ton of asphalt put down.
He stated that 60 dollars a ton MBiB would be the fee.
Mayor Severance stated that we can authorize Mr. Copeland to
do the patch wook on these roads.
Mayor Severance stated bhat Mr. Christy wishes to discuss
Civil Defense with the Council. He then gave the floor to Mr.
Christy.
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a. Mr. Christy s~ated that on the EDC plan that he had to change his
^_ book and listlngsaround to how hi they had it. If the Council
okays this book, he said that he would straighten all of their
books aout to the way that they have them.
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Mr. Christy presented the EDC book to the Council and discussed
their questions with them. He stated that he has qualified men
f~om the County that will come over and give us schoo1Gng any
tlme we want. He stated that he can't express to the City how
important Civil Defense is. He stated that he has maps of the
whole state of Florida. He then read a XISBiMtiBM~ ordinance.
WI The Civil Defense still BWMSthl owes the Police Station
a radio and the Council owes the coordinator a radio.
Mayor Severance stated that what we need to do to solve the problem
is to get two four channel radios tB for the Police departmemt.
Mr. Christy stated that he has some films that for Civil Defense
and Fire Department that run anywhere from 10 minutes to 45 minutes.
He requested the permission to use the Community Center for one
month.
Mayor Severance stated that Mr. Christy should get permission from
the Community Center Board and put a request in and reserve it for
a certain day each month. He does have permission from the City
Council.
Mr. Christy stated that he will be needing an EOC operating center.
The office in the Community Center will not do, that is only an
office.
Mayor Severance stated that we could probably incorporate something
when we build the Police Stibion.
Mayor Severance stated that Mr. Carnie fromthe Library has some
plans for the Library addit~Dn.
Mr. Carnie stated that all that they have so far is a plan that
the Library Committee would like. We would like you to look it
over and make any suggestions that you wish. If the Council is
interested in making additions to the Library which we ~eed,
they would appreciate it. He stated that they have no idea of thd
cost.
Mayor Severance asked Mr. Carnie to leave the plans with the Council
and they will look into it. Action will be taken on this Monday
night at the Regular Council meeting.
Mayor Severance stated that we wrote a letter to Mr. Brown asking
him to come down to discuss with the Council the problem of some
complaints that we have had from the resddents on Neptune.aMi Ma~
Behind his place of business there is paving in the back and there
is a drainage problem that it is possibly causing and a traffic
problem of vehicles using Neptuene to get to the back of his
property. Mr. Brown is here tonight. He wants to know if the
City would be willing to put up a stop sign, MB thXM no thru way.
Councilman Bevel stated that he went down there, and looked at it,
and that he could see these peoples point, but it is a City street
and what can we do.
Mayor Severance stated that it is his understanding that Mr. Brown
WB owns the property all the waty to the easement area, and the
actually has the right to enterconnect with neptuBe. WI
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Mr. Brown stated thata11 that he is using it for is trucks making
deliveries. He is gdinq to tell his people nit to use that road
unless it is absolutely necessary.
Councilman Lodico stated that he has gotten complaints too, and
the biggest complaint is the way that Mr. Brown has leveled that
ground off, which is creating a terrific drainage and flooding
Neptune Drive.
Mayor Severance stated that that problem can be i11iviated by
putting in a small ditch along the east boundary of the property.
This will absorb the water and keep it foom running down Neptune
Street. Mayor Severance suggested that we put a no-thru-way sign
at Neptune and Mr. Browns property and that Councilman Lodico
go down there and look at the possib'lity of putting a ditch in.
Maybe we can come up with a way to control the drainage.
COt~MUNICATIONS
The City Clerk read a letter with a petition attached to it.
stating that residents in Waterway Park require. some degree of
Fire protection.
Fiee Chief Walls stated that he has talked to the gentleman that
wrote this letter, and they are not wanting this protection for
free, the want to pay for it it. We have no water supply there
expept for salt water canal. It would be a good idea to get together
with these people to see what kind of fire protection plans that
we coald come up with. He stated that he has no way of legally
going down and fighting these fires.
Mayor Severance stated that we can acknowledge this letter and
petition Monday night and he will suggest then that we write this
gentleman a letter suggesting that he and ~~her representatives
come to the Workshop on the 28th to discus~n detail exactly what
they want. '
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The City Clerk stated that she has a letter from the Zoning & Planning
boar~ that she is not going to read, it is on water rates, all of
the Councilmen have a copy of it and you can~t do anything about
that until we talk to the auditors.
The etiy Clerk read a letter from the Zoning & Planning Board I
stating that the folowing requests from Magnusum Corp. were discussed
at the Regular Meeting March 4. 1974. decisions follow each request.
1-Request to allow businesses on one 40 ft. lot in the commercial
zone in Fla. Shores- motion to deny this request.
2-Request to reduce setback requirements for corner lots on Indian
River Blvd. and 30th Street in Fla. Shores.-motion to deny request.
3-Request to reduce setback requirements on corner lots of a111R
pther streets other than those mentioned in item 2 above from
present 30 ft. to 15 ft.- Moiton to deny request
4-&5- tabled for further discussion.
Mayor Severance stated that this letter is self exp1ainatory
and that the Council can take action on this Monday night at the
regular Council Meeting.
The City Clerk read a letter from the Zoning & Planning Baord
recommending the establishment of a greater Edgewater area.
Mayor Severance stated that after much discussion we will acknowledge
this letter and thke action on it Monday night.
The City Clerk read a letter from the Sectetar;e of States Office
acknow1edgeing the receipt of our Charter Changes.
City Attorney Weaver explained the reason for updating the Charter
and how he is going to go about doing this.
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Mayor Severance stated that we could take action Monday night
as far as giving the City Attorney the lihBXi authority to do this.
City Attorney Weaver stated that he will have a contract ready
Monday night.
The City Clerk read a letter from the Building Code Committee
requesting copies of the Southern Stand Building Code, Copies of
the Electric Code, copies of the Southern Standard Plumbing Code,
and Copies of the Southern Standard Meciinac1e Code.
Mayor Severance stated that the City Clerk just sent for some of
these books, and that we will be needing a set of these codes
anyway. He then instructed the City Clerk to sent for these codes.
This doesn't have to be brought to the Council meeting Monday night.
The City Clerk read a letter from the Friends of the Library extending
invitation to the Mayor & Council to attend the Meet your Neighbor
Tea. At this tea the awards for the slogan and emblem will be
awarded and they will be happy to have the Council do this.
Mayor Severance stated that the emblem and slogans are to be returned
the 28th of March and to be judged at the Workshop meeting. Then
we can make the awards at the tea. on the 27th f of April.
The City Clerk read a letter from the Bibrary Board stating that
the week of April 21st is National Library Week, they are requesting
that the Council proc1amm it National Library Week in Edgewater.
Mayor Severance stated that we will akknow1edeg that and have a
proclamation to its effect.
The City Clerk read a 1etterx1io<oox from Vera Steoonkus statinq
that there are no streeti 1 ights, stop signs and'the weeds have
not been mowed in the area of Queen Palm. That cars sp~ed on this
road also.
Councilman Bevel stated that he checked with the chief on the
speeding, he set the radar up and the traffic that was going by
were not exceedino the 9peed limit.
Mayor Severance stated that street lights a is our next proposed
plan, for 21st and Cueen P1am.
The City Clerk read a letter from the Florida Library Association,
ca1'ing upon the the Mayor and Commissioners to a support full funding
of the public libraries. Stating that if they wish to support
their public library to contact the legislature and ask for full
funding.
Mayor Severance suggested that we put it on the agenda for Monday
night and write him a letter back and also contact the legislative
delegation in regards to this.
The City Clerk read a letter foom the Office of the Controler ItliiR~
thanking the Council for their coroperation in answering the questionaire
that was sent to the City.
Mayor Severance acknowledged this letter and stated that this does
not have to be on the aqenda Monday night.
Councilman Rexeix Lodico asked what we are going to do about
stop signs, speed signs and street signs.
Mayor Severance said for Councilman Lodico to order street signs,
where we need them.
Councilman Lodtco stated that he can get a couple of men to go out
and paint these street signs at a flat rate.
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Mayor Severance said for Councilman Lodico to check on the prices
of stop signs. It depends onthe cost of them whether we buy them
R~X"Btx all of them at onee or some of them later. We might be
able to get them at a BMIW bulk rate. '
The City Clerk read a letter from the Zoninq & Planning Board
stating that they recognize the need for new recreation areas,
parks and ect. They recommend that the City enter into a lood
acquisition progftftm.
Mayor Severance stated that this letter will be read Monday
night at the Council Meeting.
Councilman Lodico stated that he would like to ask the City
Attorney a question as to a legal aspect. He said that he
was elected Councilman of this City first then made coordinator
of the Street and Garbage Department. This doesn't mean that
anyone can stop him or he can stop anyonefrom coming into his
department. He thinks that he and the rest of the Councilman
should be able to go anywhere in these departments that he
wishes.
Mayor Severance stated that if we all agree to show courtesy
to each one and at~east let everyone know that we have either
gone in or we want to go in and talk to somebody in that department
about a problem.
Councilman Lodico stated that he is not going to keep his nose
out of the Police department as Councilman Clinton asked.
Councilman Clinton stated that he will refrase that, that if
he is going into the Police Department to start some confusion
ke~p your nose out of there.
Mayor Severance stated that Chief Katez and Councilman Lodico
will have to clear this up themselves, he dows not want to clear
it up here. It has been resolved and we all know what our job is
here ~ to represent the City and to represent as a coordinator
of a department. Lets continue to work as we have been working
and x<< show respect to each other and solve this. Mayor Severance
stated that he will not allow this subject to be talked about
at any more Workshop meetings or Council meetings.
Councilman Clinton stated that he has been talking to a couple of
people about a handball court. He said that there is a sl ab on -\1\~klL~\ ?\tL
about I 100 foot long that would make an ideal place for a han~
ball court.
Bayor Severance stated that what he wants to do is letting the
Chamber of Commerce help with the tennis courts, hand ball courts
and other receeational facilities. We are going to move the playground
equipment out of the area thet it is now currently in at the park and
pier. He wants to put in two tennis courts and two handball courst
on the park and pier.
Fire Chief Walls stated that the Fire department agreed to take
that play equipment out to extend the parking et the park and pier.
There are parking problems over there now.
Mayor Severance stated that it will be open and there is parking
there, but we need to have some sort of recreation here i9 this
City, and the best place is on the park & pier.
Mayor Severance stated that he was going to get the spectfications
of these courst and that the Council would talk further on this
subject of the Tennis courts Monday night.
City Attorney Weaver asked to have the authority to go ahead and
check on some sights for these courts. Mayor Severance granted
him this.
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Councilman Clinton stated that he feels that Chief Katez
should be ab.e to make his recommendation as to who he feels
deserves should be lieutentant. He also stated that the Chief
should have a small pay raise due to the leeutenant making
almost the same amoun t.
Mayor Severance stated that he was in favor of making a
lieu~enant and sergent, ,
The Chief doesn't have
to be increased too. We are going to gi e them pay raises next
year anyway. We tPeate the positions and we should give a
resomalbe salary for those positions. Each Council man is to
get some prices and look them over before next workshop.
Councilman Clinton asked the Police Chief if he had gotten a chance
to go and talk to Mr. Buchanan to day. He stated that he would
like to have Mr. Buchanan notified that around his house really
looks worse taan our City dump. Tell him that it is not to happen
again.
Councilman Bevel stated that we have a safety hazard out at the
Swwer Plant. We put in two motors and the electrical connections
have rusted the pipe, everyt~ing is rested completely lapart.
He stated that he went ahead ahd authorized Edgewater Electric
to go ahead and fix it. He gave them a letter to that effect.
Councilman Bevel stated that Economy Electric will be in Wednesday
morning to put in a switch for the butterfly valve and do the
electrical work on that. He gave ihem a letter authorizing them
to do this work. There is a little more work on this which would
not be part of their contract, which the water department will have
to pay for.
Councilman Bevel stated that he would like for us to make contact with
New Smyrna and get this valve meter connection between Edgewater &
New Smyrna water, so that we can have some in these lines. We might
have to borrow water from them again. An emergency hookup valve.
Councilman Bevel asked that we take the old fences from the playground
and let Mr. Lodico's crew go out to the dump and install it across the
front of the dump and purchase some kind of a gate to go onl it.
Then the officers will be able to enforce sometijing.
Mayor Severance said that a section of that fence isn1t any good
anyway, so we can go ahead and do this.
Councilman Bevel stated that each Councilman should have a map ~of
the City of Edgewater sho\wing his recommendation of the first 35
street lights. There was much discussion on where these 35 lights
should go.
Mayor Severance stated that Monday night we can make a necessary
motion to start the wheel on the first 35 lights.
Councilman Clinton asked if we could havea blackboard B put up
so that when we are explaining things we can draw them out instead
of saying it with our hadds.
Mayor Severance stated that we have some tof the candidates for the
Zone Council III seat. Monday night we are going to make the motion
and second and vote on who we want to slat i set in the Zone III
seat. He thanked the candidates that came down here tonight so they
~ll know what they will be involved in Monday night.
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The four candidates stated how they felt about Council seat for
Zone III ( Mr. Fisher, Mr. Sikes, Mr. Vog1e and Mr. Wa1
Mayor Severance stated that the proper thing to do is at Monday
nights meeting the proper motions and seconds to be made for
which ever candidate the Council elects. He said the we can't
take any action tonight but we can come up with some names.
Councilman Bevel stated that he went by the process of i11imination
and is down to Mr. Vog1e and Mr. Fisher. He can't decide which
one is best.
Coucni1man Clinton stated that the two that he has boiled down to
6s Mr. Sikes and Mr. Vog1e. Again he also doesn't know.
Councilman Lodico stated that he knows three of the candidates and
worked with them. He also doesn't know.
Mayor Severance stated that he has boiled it down to two also.
Mr. Sikes and Mr. Vog1e. It is hard to think of who could do the
best job.
Councilman Bevel stated that Monday night he will probably maMe
a motion to elect Mr. Sikes as Councilman for Zone III.
Councilman Clinton stated that he will probably seconded that motion
Monday night.
Mr. Vog1e stated that he would save the Coucni1 a lot of problems
and withdraw, because he knows Mr. Sikes and he is a good man.
Mr. Shambota stated that he ran across an 6rdinanceNo. 851 that was
passed on the 24 day of September 1973. All Councilmen voted yes
on it. It reads that the garbage rate of $2.25 per month is established
for the residents of the City of Edgewater. The residents have
never been charged this.
The City Clerk stated that the reason that this Ordinance was not
put into effect was because there was no commercial in it. She stated
that she came back to the next Workshop and stated that there was
no commercial con~ideration at all in it. There was not schedule
for more than three cans, you could put 20 cans out and still pay
$2.25.
Mayor Severance stated that this Ordinance was never inforced because
of the fact that the commercial rates were not complete. The Coucni1
sent them back to the Zoning & P1ainning baord and Mr. Mackie was
working on it. He said that we will have to resenG that.
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