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04-16-2001 - Workshop ...... 'wIfI CITY COUNCIL OF EDGEWATER WORKSHOP APRIL 16, 2001 7:00 P.M. COMMUNITY CENTER MINUTES CALL TO ORDER Mayor Schmidt called the Workshop to order at 5:30 p.m. in the Community Center. ROLL CALL Mayor Donald Schmidt Councilman James Brown Councilman Dennis Vincenzi Councilwoman Harriet Rhodes Councilwoman Judith Lichter City Manager Kenneth Hooper City Clerk Susan Wadsworth Legal Assistant Robin Matusick Present Present Present Present Excused Present Present Arrived at 5:33 p.m. MEETING PURPOSE The purpose of the meeting is to discuss the Comprehensive Plan Amendments. City Manager Hooper made a staff presentation. He informed Council Planning Director Lynne Plaskett would describe the Comp Plan and what it is about and what they are going to do to adopt it. This was done about ten years ago and there was not a Comp Plan amendment since then. There have been a number of annexations. Ms. Plaskett explained what a Comprehensive Plan is. She introduced Tracy Crowe from Land Design Innovations and Jim & Janet Shira of B & H Consultants. She further commented on the basic procedures. Ms. Plaskett spoke about the EAR Based Amendments - Future Land Use Map and the Land Use and zoning compatibility. Ms. Plaskett went through the Future Land Use Map Amendments which is the most important part of the amendment process and this is to change all the parcels that have been annexed into the City. The recommendations made by the Consultants have been reviewed by the Planning and Zoning Board and have made recommendations with no changes. She showed the overall map which shows the 24 total amendments and their general locations. Ms. Plaskett listed the Large Scale Future Land Use Map Amendments. (Attached) Councilman Brown asked about Map Amendment 13 and the land being very low and there being quite a bit of Cypress on it. He asked if they are protected. Ms. Plaskett explained when the person that owns this piece of property wants to develop it, they will have to do an environmental assessment of the property and go out and hire a biological consultant and submit that report to the City. If there are areas that are uplands, they would cluster the development away from those areas. The City would look at it as a conservation area and have them place a conservation classification on it. They would have to prove that this is developable property. Ms. Plaskett continued to list the Large Scale Future Land Use Map Amendments. '-' ....." Councilman Vincenzi asked the status of Map Amendment #20. Ms. Plaskett explained the Department of Environmental Protection has been out there but we have not received their report yet. Mr. DaRe came in last week and indicated there should be no problem being able to clean up the contamination. It's not as bad as they initially thought it might have been. He still intends to move forward with the project. Councilman Vincenzi asked what conservation overlay is. Ms. Plaskett explained there could be wetland or hammock issues and it sends up a red flag to staff and the people have to prove to them they can develop that area. Ms. Plaskett again continued to list the Large Scale Future Land Use Amendments. Councilman Brown asked about Map Amendment #21 and if this is where the cemetery is located. Ms. Plaskett informed him it is in Map Amendment #22. Ms. Plaskett further listed the Large Scale Future Land Use Amendments. Councilman Brown asked if any decision has been made regarding what to do with the cemetery. City Manager Hooper explained they received a report which states leaving it a historical site is probably a first option from the perspective of the people that have relatives buried there. They sent this to Mr. Melvin Brown. He thinks they are going to come back and want to describe their wishes. They are trying to keep the options open. Ms. Plaskett continued listing the Large Scale Future Land Use Amendments. Ms. Plaskett then listed the Small Scale Future Land Use Amendments. (Attached) City Manager Hooper informed Council these have been annexed over a number of years. What is unusual about this is the large quantity. The typical method is each time you annex we would do one of these. He is expecting some backlash from the State. City Manager Hooger informed Council this will be at the first hearing on May 7 h. A second hearing is once it comes back. The Council will then do a transmittal. This will be sent to the State and the County's Growth Management Commission also gets to review it. other adjacent cities will be able to have comments as well as all of the State agencies and those will be gathered up and brought back at the second public hearing which will be in about 90 days. The catch up step is the zonings that are included with some of these. Some of these properties already have proper zoning and some do not. Mayor Schmidt asked if the Golf Course will become one of the first amendments to this. City Manager Hooper stated they tried hard to get the Golf Course. They asked the Golf Course to work with out consultant so it could get in this batch and they thought they could do it faster and they haven't made their submittal yet. City Manager Hooper further commented on the process the Golf Course is going through. Page -2- Council Workshop April 16, 2001 '-' ...., Councilman Vincenzi stated he noticed one thing in common with a couple of things is the dates 2015 to 2020 about capacities and needing to expand. He asked if anything is being done to plan for that. City Manager Hooper stated they are talking of new wellfields and the reclaimed system. Their first real concern is new wells. He commented on the Master Plan of the st. John's River Water Management District. It is going through its review and trying to get support from other cities. They are looking to add a couple of wells as they go further to the west along some of the property that has been annexed. City Manager Hooper informed Council Ms. Plaskett would be speaking about enclaves. He commented on working with the County and speaking to the County about doing a joint Master Plan. He spoke about adopting common land use designations so when something is annexed it would make it easier on the person annexing and would eliminate some of the competition of trying to annex to get better land uses. The County endorses that. Ms. Plaskett spoke about enclaves. She referred to a map regarding properties they are working with the County to administratively annex into the city shown in black. (Attached) She also referred to the properties that are heavily outlined in black that are outside the City limits being over the ten acres so they can't administratively annex those. There are other provisions. They can possibly hold a referendum to see if 51% of those people would like to annex into the city. They have received application for two lots on Flying M Court so they won't need to administratively annex those. The lot to the east of that, the person when they were initially contacted, said that if the first lot would annex then they would annex. They anticipate they will come in as well. councilman vincenzi asked what some of the other black areas are. Ms. Plaskett identified them. There was a brief discussion regarding some people being willing to annex and some that are not willing to annex. councilman Vincenzi asked if administratively annexing someone means to force them to annex. Ms. Plaskett informed him yes. Councilman Vincenzi stated he understands the problem from the City's perspective about supplying Police and Fire Services but at the same time they don't want to annex, what is it going to cost them to annex. He feels there must be a reason why they don't want to annex. city Manager Hooper spoke about the difference in taxes, the services for water and sewer can decrease by 25% and the response time for Police and Fire goes up. It is for small individuals and they have to be less than 10 acres. He informed Council they will come back before them in a batch. Councilwoman Rhodes asked about making a deal with the County for the small properties that don't want to come in to where we service them but they aren't a part of our City and maybe the County would pay us. City Manager Hooper stated you can but why would you want to do that, take city dollars and pay it on unincorporated. If the desire is to approach the County and see if they can come up with a funding mechanism, he doesn't have a problem with it. To date, the County is not interested. They have been promoting and pushing hard for the cities to annex those small less than 10 acre areas. Ms. Plaskett stated they would, out of courtesy, contact them and let them know. City Manager Hooper explained they will have their day in front of Council to let them know why they wouldn't want to annex. Page -3- Council Workshop April 16, 2001 -- ...., Councilwoman Rhodes doesn't see why some kind of mutual agreement can not be made with the County where we service everything in our service area and the County pays us to do that. Ms. Plaskett stated a majority of the people didn't want to annex because of the politics back in the late 1980's, early 1990's. Councilwoman Rhodes doesn't feel the people that don't want to annex owe her an explanation. Ms. Plaskett stated they will contact them, invite them to annex into the City, and see what kind of response they get. Councilwoman Rhodes spoke about having a plan B in place instead of forcing them. City Manager Hooper stated the forcing is the last resort. Mayor Schmidt asked if Cecil's is an enclave. Ms. Plaskett stated she doesn't think it is an enclave but she thinks there is property to the south of him that is not in the City as well. You are only an enclave when you are completely surrounded. City Manager Hooper explained the County only goes along with that if it is residential. They aren't interested in enforcing a commercial establishment. You have to be on an improved road. Councilman Vincenzi stated they don't want to force anyone but they don't want to spend money in City services and City time to go service those areas either. City Manager Hooper again informed Council they will see this as a first public hearing on the May 7th agenda. At that time they will be voting to authorize the transmittal of this to the State and County and get the comments and come back. He informed Council the Planning and Zoning Board had some changes and corrections that they will see corrected at the May 7th meeting. Ms. Plaskett requested that Council give them the books back, they would like to use the pages that are okay instead of reproducing them allover again. City Manager Hooper informed Council they would like to do a groundbreaking of the FIND project the week of May 7th. It was the consensus of Council to have the groundbreaking on May 7, 2001 at 6:00 p.m. City Manager Hooper stated FIND has offered to get out of the business. He presented a history of when this started. They are looking to see to get out of this. He feels this is an excellent choice for them to look to take over. He is looking for consensus from Council. They will start to talk and bring Council back numbers. They paid about $14,000 an acre for the full 250. They are going to use 90 acres. That leaves about 140 or 150 acres. He further spoke about getting the land ready and a buyer comes in and buys it. There was a brief discussion regarding the section FIND will be using. City Manager Hooper informed Council tonight the YMCA will inform Council of what they are doing and how they are raising and not raising money. He commented on the pool and Council approving the final design. Mayor Schmidt wants to hold a public hearing for the citizens on the pool design. City Manager Hooper agreed to hold a work session during the month of May for the public to make comments. He asked Mayor Schmidt if he wanted him to invite some people from the schools such as the principals and sports people. Page -4- Council Workshop April 16, 2001 .... .-.".; Councilwoman Rhodes spoke about building a pool that incorporates a competitive pool as well as a family pool. City Manager Hooper stated they described to him that the really can't do both. Mayor Schmidt stated they also talked about doing two pools. City Manager Hooper stated he thinks they are struggling to do a pool right now. City Manager Hooper spoke about a piece of land next to Dustin's. The property was appraised at $410,000 and he wants $435,000. He has agreed to take $410,000 and do the rest as a tax write off. He wants to meet with him and bring that back. We do not have that money in the bank. He is also interested in poling some of that as far as him being paid over time. He spoke about ECHO money that could help with that as well as develop it. We don't have a definite plan on how that 7.8 acres would integrate with the 26 acres. He would like to start that process. The building that is there would probably stay. He feels it could be used as a museum. He would like to do the planning and bring it back to Council and decide yes or not on the purchase and hold a public hearing on it. He thinks they need public input because of it being a sizeable amount of money. City Manager Hooper spoke about Kennedy Park. The Park Advisory Board have come to a conclusion that they would like to hire a Park Planner, someone that would help them professionally layout that park and the relocation of shuffleboard. He has agreed regardless of what they do at City Hall, that is separate and that is going to be a waterfront activity park. He would like to go ahead with that. FIND was very open to help us pay for part of that. Councilwoman Rhodes asked about the boat ramps. City Manager Hooper informed her they would stay and be expanded. Councilwoman Lichter asked if there could be consideration given to the mural being incorporated in the plan because it is water related. City Manager Hooper would like to see the tennis court gone and see the shuffleboard moved and turn that more into parking. City Manager Hooper informed Council they are coming up on budget session. At the May 21st meeting, one hour before the regular meeting, he would like to sit down and talk of Council's goals and targets, which will start at 6:00 p.m. city Manager Hooper spoke about an e-mail from a Mr. Hernandez. He asked Council not to respond to it. The statute of limitations has run out. His attorney isn't pursuing it so he is asking Council individually to talk to him about settlement. City Manager Hooper informed Council we have received a grant for a Youth Officer. There will be some match that will have to be done which is probably a month away but it is a fairly small amount. city Manager Hooper commented on a request from the News Journal to give them some information on attorney cost regarding what the City is paying in-house and out source. He thinks they are asking all the cities and the County to do a county-wide comparison. Robin went ahead and prepared what we are doing to date. They asked for five-years. He commented on the considerable savings that is occurring with what we are doing now with Foley & Lardner attending as needed. They review every agenda and they talk to Scott almost daily. He spoke about David Kornreich serving as the Labor Attorney. sid Nowell is working with Code Enforcement. Page -5- Council Workshop April 16, 2001 '-" ...., councilwoman Lichter asked about the parcel of land that the Fire Department owns at the southern part of the city. City Manager Hooper informed Council they would have that in front of them to declare it surplus and see if we can auction that. ADJOURNMENT There being no further business to discuss, Mayor Schmidt adjourned the workshop. The meeting adjourned at 6:45 p.m. Minutes submitted by: Lisa Bloomer Page -6- council Workshop April 16, 2001