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10-18-2000 .... ...,., CITY OF EDGEWATER CITY HALL SITING COMMITTEE OCTOBER 18, 2000 2:00 P.M. CITY HALL CONFERENCE ROOM AGENDA CALL TO ORDER Chairman Balmer called the Regular Meeting to order at 2:00 p.m. in the City Hall Conference Room. ROLL CALL Members present were: Chairman Chris Balmer, Susan Wadsworth, Ferd Heeb, Matt Negedly and JoAnne Sikes. Mike Tanksley and Mike visconti were excused. Also present were City Manager Kenneth Hooper, Planning Director Lynne Plaskett, Finance Director Michelle Goins and Deputy City Clerk Lisa Bloomer. Grant writer Don Hall arrived at 2:12 p.m. APPROVAL OF MINUTES Regular Meeting of September 27, 2000 Mr. Negedly stated he was not on the members that were present at the last meeting. Chairman Balmer asked if they can approve them with that correction. Mr. Heeb so moved, second by Mr. Negedly. The motion CARRIED 5-0. COMMITTEE COMMENTS Ms. Sikes stated she has had quite a bit of comment with the fact that, so many people don't want anything, City wise, to lose this piece of property. No matter what is done with it, they want the City to keep it because of its value. She has heard that comment many times. People comment that they are not looking into the future like the Committee is trying to do. They are not looking at making a complex and looking toward the future. Many retired people and many others feel that perhaps selling this piece of land is the wrong thing to do. Chairman Balmer asked if she has had any offers or suggestions of what would be here if City Hall wasn't. Ms. Sikes stated one person said since the Police Department is so small it should be a Police Complex. Mr. Heeb stated he hates to get into that. Personally if he thought the City wouldn't grow, he would love to see City Hall stay right here but that is not the case. This City and the politicians and the people involved with the City are committed to growth. They have to approach it from that point of view. This is not place a for a police station or City Hall. ,-,. ,..., Mr. Heeb feels the ideal spot is their number one choice, the McAllister property, which is central and on a major thoroughfare and it gives the City visibility. It does everything that you want to do in a city that has a growing urban population. He thinks a lot of people cling to past. He stated Ms. Sikes made the comment the City's name was Edgewater and that City Hall on the water was appropriate. Ms. Sikes stated the main comment was the fact that the main objection to this is they have talked about a condo here. That is a no-no. Mr. Heeb stated when you look at this piece of property and the neighborhood it is residential. Anything that goes here should continue within that context of being residential. When you put an acre of land where this acre of land is and you say what can you do that is residential, it is almost impossible to think of someone buying this property for a single family residence. You get into the situation of how to keep it residential and exploit the absolute value of the property. Ms. Sikes stated there are people talking about condos that are complaining about bed and breakfast on Riverside Drive. Mr. Heeb stated he doesn't want a bed and breakfast because they are commercial. Ms. Sikes stated the people that live there run them. These are wonderful bed and breakfast establishments in New Smyrna Beach. Mr. Heeb stated they are also in a commercial area. Chairman Balmer thinks that all centers around dividing the meeting into three sections; ranking of the vacant land, which they have done, going into the ranking of developed land, and what to do with the current City Hall, which promises to be very lively. He has heard a lot of comments from folks that are excited about the possibility of a new City Hall and moving it to an area with some of the requirements they have set, such as the minimum 15 acres. with the exception of one negative comment, all of the have been very positive and he has received well over 100. He feels good that they are still heading in the right direction. Mr. Negedly stated he is divided down the middle. He is happy to see the direction they are taking as far as the McAllister property. They need bigger without a doubt. On the flip side, holding on to this property, not for City Hall, but for City access and recreation use. New Smyrna Beach is trying to buy a hotel on the beach with State money. They are playing catch up with beach access and overflow parking. When the motels were built, they probably didn't even consider that. He looked at the City's webpage and everything they drive and are selling our City on is somewhere to work and live. He feels taking away the access to the citizen who doesn't live near the river, in his mind, would not be a wise choice. Ms. Sikes thinks the City should keep it and it should be developed. Page -2- City Hall siting Committee October 18, 2000 "-'" ...., Chairman Balmer stated Ms. Plaskett is here to help them with the developed land. City Manager Hooper and Finance Director Goins had no comments. Chairman Balmer introduced Michelle Goins, Finance Director. Ms. Plaskett passed out the map. Chairman Balmer asked if they wanted to recap what they have done as far as the summary on vacant land. Mr. Negedly suggested a different way of voting. Chairman Balmer stated they will definitely look at that. Mr. Heeb stated they approved this ranking and the lowest vote was 5-1. Mr. Negedly stated he is saying as they go further. They will be doing more of those and that may be a better way in the future. STAFF COMMENTS AND REPORTS Ms. Plaskett stated the task she was given was to identify existing developed land under single ownership of 15 acres or more. She identified properties as number one being the DBCC location, number two being the site of Golden Star of Central Florida, number 3 being 21 acres owned by Doug Cole off of Mango Tree Drive, number 4 being Eastern Shores Mobile Home Park, number 5 being the McAllister Property, which is the number one choice of the Committee. Chairman Balmer informed the Committee this property is falling under developed also because of the houses on it. She further identified number 6 being 38 acres owned by the Diocese of Orlando which is adjacent to Edgewater Landing and number 7 being the Edgewater Water Plant on SR 442. Ms. Sikes stated technically they excluded it because of what Mr. Wadsworth said. Chairman Balmer asked if anyone had any questions or thoughts. Ms. Plaskett stated the only thing they did exclude was the shopping center because of it being totally unrealistic. The old Winn Dixie north of town did not meet the acreage requirements. Mr. Negedly asked Ms. Wadsworth if anyone else had contacted her regarding the combination of three parcels. Ms. Wadsworth informed him no. There was a brief discussion regarding the combined three parcels that were presented at the last meeting. Mr. Negedly doesn't think it is enough property. Ms. Plaskett stated it is not even close to the acreage requirement. Ms. Sikes asked if it was with Settle Wilder. Ms. Plaskett informed her no. Chairman Balmer stated they gave parameters to Ms. Plaskett to give them some preliminary looks at the properties. They haven't seen the parameters for the developed land so they can still change that but they wanted to have something to start with. He feels the next thing they need to do is look at what type of parameters do they want to set for this list like they did with the vacant land. He feels it makes sense to stay with the 15 acres and on a major artery. He asked for any other thoughts? Page -3- City Hall siting Committee October 18, 2000 "-'" .." Ms. Sikes stated for them to make any sense to the people when this is brought up to Council and the people, they have got to stick to those guidelines. It has to be accessible and on a major artery. Chairman Balmer firmly believes that. He feels the only problem that poses for Ms. Sikes is the current City Hall that she was adamant about having on that list is not on a major artery or 15 acres. Ms. Sikes feels a major artery is Riverside Drive and Park. Avenue up to U.S. #1. Chairman Balmer asked about the 15 acre requirement. Ms. Sikes stated there is an area here that could actually be used. Chairman Balmer stated if they are going to have it on the list they need to obtain a plan that they will be able to obtain 15 acres here. They can talk through that and look at. If they are adamant on having it on the list, they have to make sure it fits the criteria. Mr. Heeb stated Riverside is not a major artery. They talked about SR 442 and US 1. He doesn't consider Park Avenue to be a major artery. Ms. Plaskett explained there are different categories of roads. US 1 and 442 are arterial roads. West Park Avenue is a major collector road which means cars come there from other side streets and use it as a main source of getting from point A to point B. Riverside is considered a local collector road. It is not considered a major road by the D.O.T. definition. Chairman Balmer spoke about creating a mini Canal Street such as Park Avenue from US 1 to Riverside Drive where a City Hall complex could take up the north side of Park from US 1 where the major access would be to Riverside Drive. Chairman Balmer stated it was mentioned to him. Ms. Sikes stated it was mentioned to her too. Chairman Balmer stated if they are going to keep City Hall on this list and look at voting on that and talking about it they need to devise a plan to do that to expand or rebuild what we have. Chairman Balmer asked if they missed any property either in or out of the City that they can bring back to the table. Ms. Sikes stated the piece of her property she is interested in is not a single owned piece of property. A citizen came to her regarding property west of US 1 but it is owned by several different people. West Park Avenue to Pearl Street along Old County Road. It is behind Tropical Blossom. Ms. Sikes stated it is quite high. She walked it the other day. Chairman Balmer stated it is definitely something they can look at. Chairman Balmer asked if they wanted to look at the mobile home parks on US 1, which was mentioned by Mr. Negedly. Mr. Negedly commented on property across from Bank of America from Edgewater Quick Lube down US 1. He feels number five is going to be big bucks. Chairman Balmer stated he doesn't think that is an option. Ms. Sikes spoke about property on US 1 that includes the Harmon property and the strip mall J.C. Carder put in. Chairman Balmer asked if she is talking about where the YCMA is. Ms. Sikes informed him yes. Page -4- City Hall siting committee October 18, 2000 '-" ....", city Manager Hooper stated he is worried the Committee is getting too focused on a piece of dirt. They talked about trying to find zones. He feels there is no difference between five or something across the street. He suggested they lump 3, 4 and 5 in one area. When the Committee is done with it, it will get turned over for the Council to look at. Chairman Balmer stated they have gotten into looking for actual pieces of dirt. City Manager Hooper suggested they focus on where they want it. That will be more helpful. They are going to get too bogged down trying to say this piece is better than this piece. The Committee won't be dealing with the price. Chairman Balmer stated Ms. Plaskett will have to do it eventually. City Manager Hooper suggested they look at some areas which will be easier for them to deal with. Ms. Plaskett stated she informed the Committee of the Coronado Horse Farm because of central location. She was looking at it from a planning perspective such as where is the heart of City now and in the future. She was looking at the big picture. Chairman Balmer asked if they have already done that. Mr. Negedly stated yes. Mr. Heeb stated they did the ranking of soil but it still fits. They ruled out everything to the south. City Manager Hooper stated Council wants them to pick an area. He spoke about trading property and rough types of uses, such as mUlti-family which he has heard mentioned. The Council also wants the Committee to look at whether they should keep the property across the street or sell it. He suggested they have public input. Chairman Balmer stated they were heading in that direction. They have now gotten more direction on the current site. He marked on the map the three properties that were chosen. They were pretty firm on the minimum of 15 acres and on a major artery. City Manager Hooper feels that is a good number to be looking for. Mr. Negedly stated when they were looking for numbers they decided to vote pieces of property. He voted because of a specific piece of property more over his most desirable location. Mr. Negedly moved to look at the two areas of SR 442 and US 1 or SR 442 and 1-95 as target areas. Mr. Heeb asked how far he was talking. Mr. Negedly stated number five meets what they are talking about. Mr. Heeb asked about Roberts Road and US 1. Chairman Balmer stated he didn't like it. Mr. Heeb stated there is going to be expansion to the south and the west. He is not sure, Roberts Road might not ultimately be the center of the city. Ms. Wadsworth seconded the motion. The motion CARRIED 5- o. Chairman Balmer asked for discussion between those two. Mr. Negedly feels present day US 1 and SR 442 are very good. One of his selling points was police presence and a potential Fire Department. It is room to grow for the City in a central area. will they expand to west, there is no doubt. How fast and how long will city Hall sit alone, that is a question he tosses around. When he looks at Port Orange it might be wise to do so. Page -5- city Hall siting Committee October 18, 2000 ~ ~ Mr. Heeb spoke about the statement if you build it, they will come. That is one of his greatest fears of SR 442. The minute you build it, they will come. This state has been driven by developers for 60 years. Our major economic entity in this state is development. When you widen SR 442 to I-95, guys are going to start looking at it and say there is a lot of land to develop. It will happen faster than he would like it to. Mr. Heeb stated don't discard I-95 and SR 442. Ms. Sikes stated SR 442, no, it is too far out. Ms. Wadsworth stated her first choice is the US1 and SR 442 area. Chairman Balmer stated they can think about this between now and the next meeting. He suggested they look at the zoning and think about it and revisit it next time as well as the potential use of the current City Hall. Ms. Plaskett asked if the Committee has considered property between us 1 and I-95 on SR 442 that may not be in the City currently. Ms. Wadsworth stated the property is too low. Ms. Plaskett stated she is speaking target areas period. Mr. Negedly stated in the past he has said he cautioned themselves to not try to be assessors. When he says SR 442 and I-95, he is talking a mile diameter. He is talking zones and areas. He agreed with Mr. Heeb. Mr. Heeb stated this whole exercise is being put together to start the ball rolling on the City acquiring property for its future City Hall site. His feeling is the longer they put that off, the less likely they are to find a site that will make everyone happy. NEW BUSINESS Grant Writer Don Hall Chairman Balmer stated Don Hall is present. Some folks expressed opportunities for grant writing and what that looked like for the current City Hall. Mr. Hall stated he would say this is an opportunity in looking at eliminating slums and blight. He questioned where is Main Street. He feels us 1 is fair game. Looking to the future the City certainly has some opportunities. When he looks at Main Street he sees some slums and blighted areas that are not fifteen acre parcels. They are broken up and there are some derelict businesses. Some of that could be acquired. They could come in with bulldozer and take care of that stuff. There are funding opportunities that help you do that. That might be something the Committee wants to look at in an overall picture. Don't worry about what is there now. Chairman Balmer stated they had asked Don Hall to originally come in when they were looking at specific areas and pieces of dirt. Mr. Heeb asked if it is appropriate for them to speak to him. If we say we want a central location on a main thoroughfare that limits where they will have City Hall. He asked if they are trying to make a decision of what they shouldn't be talking about. Mr. Hall stated there is an opportunity here to use this as a tool. Wherever you want City Hall, pretend there is nothing there. Whatever it is, let's deal with it. Page -6- City Hall Siting Committee October 18, 2000 ~ ~ city Manager Hooper asked if it is easier to get money for taking out a blighted residential or commercial. Mr. Hall stated residential is easier. You have a relocation issue to deal with but there are a number of funding sources. Mr. Hall spoke about reuse of this building and housing always being an issue. If you need to relocate people, there are a number of sites to be relocated to. There are some housing programs that could tag along with this for low and moderate income persons, which is 80% of the population of Edgewater. Mr. Heeb stated the only comments he has heard from citizens relative to relocating City Hall to a blighted area, is the trailer park that is on US 1 on the east side of the road. Ms. Plaskett stated there are a couple of them. Mr. Heeb was talking about the one across from the cemetery. Chairman Balmer stated he thinks that is going take care of itself in going back to zoning. Ms. Sikes spoke about the property next to Eastern Shores going northward that is a tremendous block of land that could be cleaned up and used and it is right on US 1. To her that has got good potential. Mr. Hall stated he doesn't want her to leave that off the list. Ms. Sikes commented on the area being number three being a tremendous area. Chairman Balmer asked if they want to take what they have learned today under advisement as far as looking at those zones. He asked what they decided on the mid-section of SR 442. Do they want to circle the area and call it a zone? Mr. Heeb stated on number three, there is a City in South Florida that built its City Hall across the street from the FEC railroad tracks. They never stopped being sorry for that. He recommends that is insanity. When the trains go by the foundation of the building will shake. Ms. Sikes stated she was talking about Eastern Shores. Chairman Balmer stated they will redo the maps next time. He wants to hear from them was is this something they would consider as zone on SR 442. Mr. Negedly stated his view is Coronado Farms west, that whole corridor. Ms. Wadsworth agreed. Mr. Negedly was also thinking Dustin's to Silver Ridge. Chairman Balmer stated next time they will come back with map and look at those zones and will discuss this further. That will be much easier and they will probably get that done next time and then vacant verses developed doesn't become important. Chairman Balmer asked to speak about the current site. He asked City Manager Hooper to brief them again on the difference between keeping Kennedy Park with this. They want to look at zoning potential. City Manager Hooper stated he is talking about land use and if the park across the street should stay or go. Page -7- City Hall Siting Committee October 18, 2000 ....., ..."", Chairman Balmer definitely thinks the park should stay in the City but it should be redone to be a complete park. He is not convinced the boat ramps need to be there but he doesn't know where to move them to. As far as this current site, he doesn't like the word commercial but he wouldn't mind a condo like the one north of the South Causeway. Ms. Wadsworth agreed. She feels the whole section should be vacated and made into a park. Mr. Heeb spoke about making Park Avenue from US 1 to the river a Canal Street, that was brought up to him by an individual. He stated what they are finding if you look in the real world, it is not economically feasible. Stores are not surviving. Daytona is going through it with the money they spent on Beach Street. with the giant malls and strip centers, the day of the little boutique store in a quaint area, unless you have a situation that causes a large pedestrian area. He doesn't see that ever happening in this City. It's not a municipal function so it has to be someone that is a developer. From the economics, the only thing that makes sense on this piece of property is multi-unit residential. The key in his mind is that the City has to control the development of the property. The City has to negotiate. Mr. Negedly feels there are enough residents without access to the river and to many it is just a boat ramp but to many others this will be their only exposure to come to a park on the river and play on swings, the homage things of a small town. He feels recreational use needs to stay. What to do with this side of the street, he doesn't know. He says if they maximize use over there, where are people going to park, that is why he said a while back a parking lot. Ms. Sikes does not want to see a condo here and will fight it. She doesn't think that is what needs to be here. Chairman Balmer asked her about the parcel across street. Ms. Sikes feels that property should stay as a park and this property should be also be developed as a park. Chairman Balmer asked her where she would have people park. Ms. Sikes spoke about the property behind City Hall. People know how to do these things. She can't see and she doesn't see a condo here. She thinks that is wrong. Mr. Heeb asked her why? Ms. Sikes stated this is her hometown and this is the way she feels as well as other people. They like a small town. They like it to be homey. They don't need condos. Mr. Heeb stated he is on her side. He would keep City Hall here, the way it is. They are here because they can't. Ms. Sikes stated she didn't say they need to keep City Hall here. Mr. Heeb stated saying they want to keep the small time atmosphere in a City that is pressing to have economic development growth. Ms. Sikes stated she is here because she wants to see us grow but she can't see going clear out to China. Developing an area around US 1, yes, she sees that. Mr. Negedly feels if they say they couldn't keep City Hall here and build a five story condo and maximize the use a different way, they are going to be inconsistent with their message. Page -8- City Hall siting Committee October 18, 2000 .... ,.,., Chairman Balmer asked to go back to zoning. There are three zoning choices that are consistent; residential, mUlti-family, and commercial. Ms. Plaskett also brought up the tourist commercial category with the thought of utilizing the boat ramps with a small marina. Something adequate to be able to accommodate recreational uses for boaters in our community and some sort of a restaurant or businesses that would support the marina related activities. Mr. Negedly stated that is in line with how he was trying to direct. Ms. Sikes stated if this property is turned into a condo with parking underneath and homes on the top, why can't that be done with City Hall. Mr. Heeb stated there is a whole difference between the impact of residential units and a quasi commercial entity like City Hall. The number of people involved in a five story City Hall is significantly more than a 15 unit condo. It is going to have an average at maximum three people per unit and maximum two cars per unit. The impact is that they have a very finite quantity of land that they are dealing with. It would be different if it was infinite. This doesn't make sense as a City Hall. Going back to Ms. Sikes feelings on keeping this a small quaint City, he is in agreement. That doesn't fit with motel sitting on Riverside Drive. He is saying to keep the value of this property the only solution is going to be residential condominium. If you don't do that, he thinks making it parking is a mistake. Ms. Sikes stated the City needs to keep it. Chairman Balmer asked to break it down between the east side and west side of Riverside Drive. He is hearing support for keeping the east side of Riverside separate and as a park. City Manager Hooper stated discuss what you would put there and add that to it. He wants the Committee to talk more about what they would develop over there. Mr. Negedly stated it is the people's property and it should maintain to be the people's property. He commented on his idea of a park for across the street. It could be a place the community can come and enjoy. He doesn't know what they could do with maximizing across the street with getting rid of this. Chairman Balmer asked if he would convert that to all park with no boat ramps. Mr. Negedly stated yes but they need to replace the boat ramps with more than what we have got. He feels they both need to be increased. Mr. Heeb feels the property is too small for a marina. It would require the property to be developed. He thinks somebody came up with the idea of converting a yacht club like setting with marina. You have a big time dredging permit to get. He feels it isn't a suitable spot for marina. We already have one in the city. He would be against it. Mr. Negedly spoke about the premiere parking being at the YMCA. He feels across the street could be a really nice, small park. Page -9- City Hall Siting Committee October 18, 2000 '-" ......, City Manager Hooper stated it is waterfront. If he were going to recommend the Council spend city bucks, it would probably have to be a water oriented park. He spoke about relocating the shuffleboard and freeing up some of that area. The Parks Board is looking at that as a water oriented park. If the City wanted to make a marina, he would make a move on Camerons to buy it, clean it out and to make it something. The permits for marinas are nightmares. Chairman Balmer stated Mr. Corder gave good direction and they are in agreement of replacing the tennis and shuffleboard courts. Mr. Negedly agreed with the water oriented park. He feels boutiques or restaurants wouldn't be supported. Chairman Balmer stated they also talked about getting more of the parking off of the river. City Manager Hooper stated it sounds like the dilemma is this property. Council's idea was that this is very valuable. If they were going to vacate City Hall, it wouldn't be for parking but they would vacate for something that would create more of a tax base or else it doesn't make any sense. He commented on the mention made of making this a better City Hall site. Mr. Heeb stated they can't make that happen without getting rid of the boat ramps. Economically, no one is going to develop this property with that view. City Manager Hooper mentioned changing the view. Chairman Balmer stated he thinks they agree but he thinks there is a little discrepancy with how drastically they change that view. He feels Mr. Heeb is saying no boat ramps over there to get the prime money for this property. Mr. Heeb stated if he were running the show, he would find a developer and sit down and talk to him about this deal. He would start talking about grants and he would the get developer to develop that property the way he wanted it. Chairman Balmer feels what also factors into this is that most of us know if we don't get the maximum amount of dollars out of this site, it is going to be hard to sell to the citizens that they are going to build a new million dollar City Hall and raise taxes. That weighs on him. He doesn't think this should be a parking lot. Not only would they miss out on tax revenues, they aren't going to have the opportunity to spend the type of money they want on a new City Hall complex. Ms. Wadsworth agreed. Ms. Sikes feels this is too small. They need to do something. They need to expand. She can't vision a five story condo here. Chairman Balmer stated they have narrowed it down to four zonings. He asked if they are in agreement. Mr. Heeb feels they should drop tourist commercial off there. It will not happen. Chairman Balmer stated they can still debate it. Ms. Sikes feels something else has to be done soon as far as an open meeting from the public before they go any further. Page -10- City Hall Siting Committee October 18, 2000 ~ ....., Chairman Balmer stated the last time they talked about setting that date, they were all convinced they weren't ready to do that. If they are to that point, then absolutely. Ms. Sikes stated if they are going to talk zones, they need to talk to the public. Mr. Negedly stated if they have the liberty to pick the zone for the new area and stay general, he encourages they stay general with this area and give it to Council. Maximize revenue and don't take a square foot away from the citizens' access. It is a big ball they could fight tooth and nail on forever. He feels they need to stay general. If they put to vote what it be zoned he doesn't think that would be wise. Mr. Heeb spoke about a large piece of property on US lone or two blocks from Park Avenue that should be for municipal parking. Ms. Wadsworth informed him that is Dr. Davis property. Ms. Sikes stated that is absolutely not for sale. She has talked to Dr. Davis and he will not even talk about selling it. The property is not for sale. Mr. Negedly feels they are getting too specific. Chairman Balmer thinks they need to debate about the overall of what people think about taxes and money. He feels it is going to come back to what they feel the zoning should be. Mr. Negedly is suggested they not even talk about a zone but say it just meet certain criteria. Mr. Negedly feels they are going to cross that bridge even if they cross it. Chairman Balmer suggested they schedule a public meeting. He feels they should meet one more time and talk about the different zones and narrow us in on one of those zones so they could talk about both at the public meeting. Mr. Heeb stated these are public meetings. Chairman Balmer stated they are talking about advertising for citizen comments. Mr. Heeb stated won't that happen when they put in on the table for the Council. City Manager Hooper stated it will happen again but the thinks they are at that point to get feedback. Chairman Balmer asked Deputy City Clerk Bloomer to advertise the public hearing. Ms. Plaskett stated she took out tourist commercial and replaced it with recreation. Chairman Balmer asked if they want to hold the public hearing in the evening hours. Ms. Wadsworth suggested they schedule it with a Council meeting as a public hearing. City Manager Hooper feels they are after genuine citizens that are concerned about this issue. Chairman Balmer would like to see who is interested in this issue. City Manager Hooper suggested November 8th or 15th. The Committee decided to look at Wednesday, November 15th, at 7:00 p.m. Ms. Wadsworth agreed to include it in the newsletter. Chairman Balmer suggested they take to the public hearing two or three zones and the four different classifications and get comments. They can take that information back to their next meeting. City Manager Hooper stated they could get Ms. Plaskett to summarize the sites and give the public something to start with. Ms. Plaskett stated they would have to give her the information. Chairman Balmer would also like to schedule a meeting for after that. Mr. Negedly recommended it being closer than two weeks after. Mr. Heeb suggested the next morning. Chairman Balmer asked about November 16th at 8:00 A.M. The Committee agreed. Page -11- City Hall Siting Committee October 18, 2000 .... ...." Mr. Heeb asked Ms. Sikes if she walked the McAllister property. He asked if she had any idea what he is asking for the property. Ms. Sikes stated that isn't what she was supposed to do. She walked the property and saw what was there. She didn't have anything to do with that. City Manager Hooper stated he has been getting calls. Ms. Sikes stated it's an ideal piece of land in the center of the city. People don't realize how big it is actually and how much is there and available. If the City ever went into the marina business, they could have parking there which is not far from Cameron's down Boston Road. Things could eventually be utilized. She feels it is worth looking into. OLD BUSINESS There was no old business to discuss. DISCUSSION ITEMS Mr. Hall suggested they keep one more zoning classification on the table, that it be continued as a public use. He threw out the idea of a senior center and youth center. He doesn't know what the overriding imperatives are as to if you need to sell this or not. If the sale of this property on this side of the road revenue wise is necessary to make this happen, they may want to consider continued public use of this property. Chairman Balmer asked City Manager Hooper what he thinks. City Manager Hooper stated there is going to be a senior room in the new YMCA. The value of this is probably what will drive the deal, cash for here. He spoke of this falling under recreation. Mr. Negedly stated after they are done and they nail down an area for the new site and give Council an area, what will happen then. City Manager Hooper explained if he has it his way, he will do a Request for Proposal on this site and advertise this site for sale, barter or trade. He will get three or four developers lined up and meet with them and tell them what we will and won't do and arrive at a price value of this. He would then start looking for property elsewhere. It would probably be to nail this down first before he would start. COMMITTEE COMMENTS There were no committee comments at this time. ADJOURNMENT Ms. Sikes moved to adjourn. The meeting adjourned at 3:23 p.m. Minutes submitted by: Lisa Bloomer Page -12- City Hall Siting Committee October 18, 2000