08-21-2006 - Regular
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CITY COUNCIL OF EDGEWATER
REGULAR MEETING
AUGUST 21, 2006
7:00 P.M.
COMMUNITY CENTER
MINUTES
1. CALL TO ORDER
Mayor Thomas called the Regular Meeting to order at 7:00
p.m. in the Community Center.
ROLL CALL
Mayor Michael Thomas
Councilwoman Debra Rogers
Councilman Dennis Vincenzi
Councilwoman Harriet Rhodes
Councilwoman Judith Lichter
Interim City Manager Jon Williams
City Attorney Nicholas Palmer
City Clerk Susan Wadsworth
Present
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Excused
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INVOCATION, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
There was a silent invocation and pledge of allegiance to
the Flag.
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
There were no minutes to be approved at this time.
3. PRESENTATIONS/PROCLAMATIONS/PLAQUES/CERTIFICATES/DON
ATIONS
A. Representative Dorothy Hukill presenting a
ceremonial check for a FRDAP Grant in the
amount of $200,000
Representative Hukill presented a check in the amount of
$200,000 to Mayor Thomas for an FRDAP Grant for
improvements to Kennedy Park.
Mayor Thomas asked Representative Hukill to stay due to
moving Item 9A up on the agenda.
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9A. FRDAP Grant - staff recommending approval for the City
to enter into a Project Agreement with the State of Florida
Department of Environmental Protection for grant funding in
the amount of $200,000 for Kennedy Park upgrades and
authorize the Mayor or City Manager to execute the
Agreement
Leisure Services Director Jack Corder made a staff
presentation.
Councilwoman Rhodes complimented Mr. Corder for doing a
great job. Mr. Corder also recognized his staff for their
efforts.
Mayor Thomas confirmed the building going over there was
covered under another grant. Mr. Corder commented on
having two grants that are helping put the fishing pier in
now that are $125,000 or $135,000. They used those grants
as their matching portion for this grant so they didn't
have to have cash in hand for the City's matching portion.
He spoke of having a timing issue and having to wait to
find out if the City would get this grant before they could
move forward with this project.
Mr. Corder confirmed the $200,000 was going to be used to
help develop other portions of the park such as restroom
facilities, improved parking and stormwater issues they
have to deal with. They will be getting into the actual
design of the park within the upcoming year and will bring
them to Council for approval.
Councilwoman Rhodes asked if they have looked into the
lengthening of the boat docks. Mr. Corder agreed to look
into this.
Councilwoman Rhodes moved to approve for the City to enter
into a Project Agreement with the State of Florida
Department of Environmental Protection for grant funding in
the amount of $200,000 for Kennedy Park upgrades and
authorize the Mayor or City Manager to execute the
Agreement, second by Councilwoman Lichter.
The MOTION CARRIED 4 - 0 .
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B. Interim Police Chief Taves presenting "Officer
of the Quarter" plaque (sponsored by the Miami
Tract Hunt Club) to Officer Alan Clark
Interim Police Chief presented examples of why Officer Alan
Clark was being named as "Officer of the Quarter" and
presented him with a plaque.
Mayor Thomas moved Item 5 up on the agenda and asked for
Citizen Comments before City Council Reports.
The following citizen spoke:
Mike Visconti, 316 Pine Breeze Drive, informed Council of a
piece of property that is for sale on u.s. #1, 1620
Edgewater Drive, the Settle-Wilder property, which is
across from the Fire Station for $650,000. He spoke to the
Pastor and the price is negotiable. He believed this was a
prime location and would be a beautiful site for a new City
Hall. He asked that the City look into it.
Mr. Visconti then mentioned Councilwoman Rogers' comments
regarding the sand in ParkTowne. He thought maybe the City
could purchase this land if the city gets money from the
sale of the sand.
4. CITY COUNCIL REPORTS
Councilwoman Rhodes had nothing at this time.
Councilwoman Lichter thanked City Clerk Wadsworth for
providing the Council with an updated list of the Boards
and Committees. She expressed concern with the Council
never receiving reports from the County boards that
Edgewater citizens serve on. She feels they need to hear
once in awhile what is going on so they can keep up-to-
date.
Councilwoman Rogers commented on a recent newspaper article
regarding the dredging material. She commented on Interim
City Manager Williams responding to the Executive Director
at the Florida Inland Navigation District (FIND) and he is
respectfully requesting consideration of a proposal and he
has given a proposal. This proposal will be presented to
find on September 22nd, three days before they have to make
their final determination on the millage rate. She spoke
of calls she has received regarding lowering the millage
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rate. She reminded everyone when she initially talked
about the dredging material she spoke of the proceeds to be
part of a reserve for City Hall. She appreciated Mr.
Visconti's comments. She felt this property would be
perfect and confirmed Mr. Visconti said $650,000. She
hoped Interim City Manager Williams would definitely jump
on that. She spoke of there being something else in the
works to help them with that but she wasn't at liberty to
discuss it at this time.
Mayor Thomas reported on several meetings he has had with
Interim City Manager Williams where they are discussing the
future of Edgewater and how to shave the budget and still
get the benefits and services from the City. He met with
the Police Department staff and got a feeling from them.
He also rode with the garbage men for three hours and got a
good feel of what they do and what they go through. He is
going to try and go back and ride with each employee. They
are doing everything they can to keep the services and
shave the budget.
5. CITIZEN COMMENTS
This item was handled earlier on the agenda.
6. PUBLIC HEARINGS, ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS
A. Public Hearing, the City of Edgewater
requesting Amendment No. 1 to the Development
Agreement for ParkTowne Industrial Center
Assistant City Manager Liz McBride and Interim City Manager
Williams made a staff presentation.
Councilwoman Rogers had a problem with the eighty-foot
maximum building height, especially with the two items they
have in front of them, the proposed Charter Amendment and
the Land Development Code the Council is working on.
Interim City Manager Williams informed her the eighty-foot
referred to the silo. He spoke of this having to fall
within the Federal Aviation Administration guidelines (FAA)
due to Massey Ranch Airpark being located in that area.
Councilwoman Rogers stated she sees Volusia County purchase
from us. She asked what they are going to do with the
proceeds from those. Interim City Manager Williams
informed her the proceeds would go back into the General
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Fund. Councilwoman Rogers asked how much it would be.
Interim City Manager Williams informed her it is a pre-
negotiated contract to be for $71,500 for that one-acre
parcel. That is to also accommodate the widening of 10th
Street. He then spoke of using the proceeds towards the
annual debt service requirement for this next fiscal year.
Councilwoman Rogers suggested using it as a start for a
City Hall reserve fund. Interim City Manager Williams
informed her the debt service for this project is about
$505,000 per year so obviously the $71,500 they could use
to offset that and provide some savings to the General
Fund.
Councilwoman Rogers stated she didn't have a problem with
any of it but at this moment, the silo, the height, until
they get further along with the height limitations they are
talking about in the Land Development Code, she is thinking
it would be best if they put this off until after they have
their vote in a couple of weeks on the Land Development
Code amendments.
Councilwoman Rhodes mentioned this bringing jobs to the
city and everyone knowing this is something she has been
pursuing for eight. years. She has no problem with it. She
feels it is incumbent upon them to provide for their
citizens. She is in favor of this and didn't have a
problem with an eighty-foot silo. Interim City Manager
Williams commented on this adding to the industrial tax
base which helps shift some of the tax burden from purely
residential to a more industrial and commercial tax base.
Mayor Thomas opened the public hearing.
The following citizens spoke:
Andy Anderson, pine Tree Drive, started talking about the
City putting out a list of the phone numbers at City Hall
and about the phone system at City Hall and Mayor Thomas
informed him he was asking for public comments on the item
they are discussing. They had already gone through Citizen
comments but informed him he would have another chance at
the end of the meeting.
Dave Ross, 1803 Needle Palm Drive, stated an industrial
park is an industrial park. Having been in business all of
his life, he would be hard pressed to believe that this
City or any other city in the United Stated could attract
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industrial not allowing an eight-foot silo in their prime
industrial park. They must have industry in this town and
when they start refusing to allow industry into an
industrial park, close it up and rent it out or sell it to
New Smyrna and let them do it.
Dominic Capri a , 606 Topside Circle, stated he would like to
see the $71,500 go to reduce the $350,000 a year that the
City has to pay.
Mike Thompson, Volco Road, stated for quite a while he
worked in the concrete business right after he got out of
the electronic business. He spoke of the silo at Rinker
being less than 35 feet.
Councilwoman Rhodes asked who wanted the eighty-foot silo,
the plant itself. Interim City Manager Williams informed
her yes, during their due diligence process that was one of
the concerns they expressed.
Mike Hail, Kimly, Horn & Associates, explained it is a much
more efficient operation with an eighty-foot silo. He felt
they would find seventy-feet silos at Tarmac, which is
located a quarter of a mile away. He spoke of this not
being an occupied structure. He spoke of this being a $3.5
million project and referred to the impact fees and the tax
base. In talking to the owner today, it may be more like
fifteen to twenty full-time positions and possibly even
more. Florida Rock wanted him to communicate to the
Council that they are committed to doing this project if
they can get the height restriction.
Councilwoman Lichter felt the City is very lucky to have
people coming into our industrial park.
Councilwoman Lichter felt people that aren't actually in
Edgewater should identify they are in the County because it
kind of gives a little different perspective if you are a
voting, taxpaying resident in Edgewater or if you live in
the County.
Kimberly Buck, Alan Engineering Group, requested if the
City does continue this to discuss the height limitation,
if the other provisions could possibly move forward to
allow this project to move on.
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City Attorney Palmer stated the item before the Council is
an amendment to the Development Agreement, which is an
agreement between the City and other parties who have yet
to agree to it. If there was an approval tonight, it would
still need to be agreed to by the other parties that are
required to give their consent subject to the agreement.
Councilwoman Rogers moved to approve Amendment No. 1 to the
Development Agreement for ParkTowne Industrial Center with
the exception of the height.
Councilwoman Rogers asked Interim City Manager Williams and
Development Services Director Darren Lear to investigate
the heights at the Rinker and Tarmac plants.
Councilwoman Rogers' motion died due to the lack of a
second.
Councilwoman Lichter moved to approve Amendment No. 1 with
the condition that the revised legal descriptions is
attached as Exhibit A and authorize negotiation for
signatures to be obtained from the owners, second by
Councilwoman Rhodes.
The MOTION DIED 2-2. Mavor Thomas and Councilwoman Roqers
voted NO.
B. Public Hearing, Tom Corbett, agent for Federal
Trust Ban, requesting site plan approval for
construction of a 26,691 square foot retail
center with an out-parcel designated for a
3,000 square foot financial institution in
accordance with Section 21-93.03(e)
Development Services Director Lear made a staff
presentation.
Due to there being no comments, Mayor Thomas opened and
closed the public hearing.
Councilwoman Rogers moved to approve the site plan in
accordance with Section 21-81.01(m) and 21-93.03(e) of the
City of Edgewater Land Development Code, second by
Councilwoman Lichter.
The MOTION CARRIED 4 - 0 .
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The ordinances listed below were transmitted to the Florida
Department of Community Affairs on April 18, 2006 (with the
exception of 6F) and will be heard for second reading on
September 11, 2006.
C. 2nd Reading, Ord. No. 2006-0-10, City of
Edgewater requesting amendments to the data and
analysis, and the Goals, Objectives and
Policies within the Future Land Use,
Conservation and Coastal Elements of the
Comprehensive Plan, 1st reading 4/17/06, Item 6C
D. 2nd Reading, Ord. No. 2006-0-11, City of
Edgewater requesting an amendment to the
Comprehensive Plan Future Land Use Map to
include 17.63~ acres of property located
southwest of the Edgewater Lakes Subdivision
Phase 1a (Northstar Lane) as Public/Semi-Public
with Conservation Overlay), 1st reading 4/17/06,
Item 6D
E. 2nd Reading, Ord. No. 2006-0-13, Targator
Partners, LLC requesting an amendment to the
Comprehensive Plan Future Land Use Map to
include 2.67~ acres of land located along
Falcon Avenue, west of Riverside Bank as High
Density Residential, 1st reading 4/17/06, Item
6F)
F. 2nd Reading, Ord. No. 2006-0-14, the City of
Edgewater requesting amendments to the data and
analysis; and the Goals, Objectives and
policies within the Future Land Use and Housing
Elements of the Comprehensive Plan, 1st reading
5/1/06, Item 6A
Interim City Manager Williams informed Mayor Thomas that on
Items 6C, 6D, 6E, & 6F he could read the titles into the
record and a motion to continue to the first reading of
April 17, 2006. Mayor Thomas asked if they wanted him to
read them. City Attorney Palmer informed him he could read
the agenda items into the record and entertain a motion or
he could do it.
City Attorney Palmer read the agenda items into the record
with regard to Items 6c, 6D, 6E and 6F.
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Councilwoman Rhodes moved to continue Items 6C, 6D, 6E, and
6F until September 11, 2006, second by Councilwoman Rogers.
The MOTION CARRIED 4 - 0 .
G. 2nd Reading, Ord. No. 2006-0-15, Tom Corbett,
agent for Federal Trust Bank, requesting an
amendment to the Comprehensive Plan Future Land
Use Map to include .45~ acres of land located
west of USl and south of 1900 S. Ridgewood
Avenue as Commercial, 1st reading 5/15/06, Item
6A
City Attorney Palmer read Ord. 2006-0-15 into the record.
Due to there being no comments, Mayor Thomas opened and
closed the public hearing.
Councilwoman Lichter moved to approve Ord. No. 2006-0-15,
Tom Corbett, agent for Federal Trust Bank, requesting an
amendment to the Comprehensive Plan Future Land Use Map to
include .45+ acres of land located west of US1 and south of
1900 S. Ridgewood Avenue as Commercial, second by
Councilwoman Rogers.
The MOTION CARRIED 4 - 0 .
H. 2nd Reading, Ord. No. 2006-0-16, Tom Corbett,
agent for Federal Trust Bank, requesting an
amendment to the Official Zoning Map to include
.45+ acres of land located west of USl and
south of 1900 S. Ridgewood Avenue as B-3
(Highway Commercial)
City Attorney Palmer read Ord. 2006-0-16 into the record.
Mayor Thomas opened the public hearing.
The following citizens spoke:
Dot Carlson, 1714 Edgewater Drive, asked if there was a
conservation overlay on this piece of land. A threatened
and endangered species assessment provided by the City on
December 19, 2005 indicated the property does not provide
suitable habitat for listed, threatened, or endangered
species. The property does contain three large, active
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gopher tortoise burrows. Mayor Thomas asked when she found
those. Ms. Carlson stated last month.
Councilwoman Lichter asked if they could be located. Ms.
Carlson informed her they should be.
There was a brief discussion regarding placing the gopher
tortoises down by the Animal Shelter.
Mayor Thomas closed the public hearing and strongly
suggested they include in the motion there will be a live
relocation of the gopher tortoises that exist on the site.
Councilwoman Rogers moved to approve Ord. No. 2006-0-16,
Tom Corbett, agent for Federal Trust Bank, requesting an
amendment to the Official Zoning Map to include .45+ acres
of land located west of US1 and south of 1900 S. Ridgewood
Avenue as B-3 (Highway Commercial) and that they make sure
there will be a live relocation of the gopher tortoises,
second by Councilwoman Lichter.
The MOTION CARRIED 4 - 0 .
Mayor Thomas felt it made more sense for them to discuss
Item 6L with regard to Resolution 2006-R-07 before they
discussed Item 61.
Councilwoman Lichter commented on there being a couple of
ways to get things in front of the voters. She then
commented on excluding certain items from the 35-foot
prohibition because economically it could kill this City.
She then referred to a hospital or a new City Hall.
Council has the right to vote on a motion to exclude
residential from our over 35 feet but they also want to put
one on there for exceptions.
Councilwoman Rhodes stated let the voters decide if they
want a 35-foot cap and let them decide if they want that
cap to extend to commercial and industrial property.
Interim City Manager Williams clarified that Mayor Thomas
felt they were putting the cart before the horse in the
order that things were being presented on the agenda and he
had made the request to move up the resolution relating to
the ECARD ballot question and then move directly from that
into the ordinance that City Council is proposing to
clarify the language.
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Mayor Thomas then moved Item 6L up on the agenda.
L. Res. No. 2006-R-07, authorizing and directing that a
proposed Charter Amendment related to maximum
building heights be submitted to the electors of the
City of Edgewater at the November 7, 2006 General
Election as requested by Edgewater Citizen's
Alliance for Responsible Development, Inc.
City Attorney Palmer read Res. 2006-R-07 into the record.
Councilwoman Rhodes didn't have a problem letting the
voters decide anything.
Mayor Thomas opened the public hearing.
The following citizens spoke:
Mike Visconti, 316 Pine Breeze Drive, asked if they are
trying to eliminate the comments at the end of the meeting.
Mayor Thomas informed him they aren't on that yet.
Councilwoman Lichter informed Mr. Visconti he could talk on
this subject.
Dominic Capri a , 606 Topside Circle, stated he didn't
understand why they had to vote on this to change the
Charter when they got enough signatures to put it on the
ballot. City Attorney Palmer explained the Statute
requires some City action to place the item on the ballot.
Mike Thompson, Volco Road, unincorporated Volusia County,
mentioned there being a 35-foot height limit in Fairfax
County, Virginia. He stated the height limit they have
been circulating around and having signed is a carbon copy
of the Jacksonville Beach height limit. He has been online
and checking on places such as the Walmart Supercenters and
they all meet the requirements. He spoke of Walmart
reducing their building height by one foot to reduce their
energy bills. He understands there are exceptions. He
spoke of this being primarily designed for condos.
Dot Carlson, 1714 Edgewater Drive, representing ECARD,
stated she was confused about the ordinance. It sounds
like the Council wants to vote to amend the amendment. As
far as public buildings, they can do that, as long as it is
for the public. If it is a hotel out by the interstate,
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absolutely not. If it is anything on the river, absolutely
not. She didn't feel they needed to have an eighty-foot
silo. She feels the City is going to look better as far as
keeping things on a low keel. As far as a hospital, if
they didn't have all of the development that has been
approved, they wouldn't need another hospital for all the
people that will move to Hammock Creek that are over fifty-
five. She didn't think the City would need a hospital that
is over thirty-five feet and certainly not the high
schools.
Mike Visconti, 316 Pine Breeze Drive, couldn't see why the
Council had to tie their hands in the height of the
buildings. He feels a fifty-foot height might be better.
If they put a limit on it, they are tying their hands and
can't approve what they want to approve.
John Cordeiro, 1515 Pine Tree Drive, stated he has been
coming to meetings for four years on the thirty-five foot
and the people have spoken. They signed petitions. He
feels the Council never does what the taxpayers want. He
mentioned there being over $7 million in wages for the
employees of the City. It upsets him that the Council
doesn't care about the taxpayers who pay the money to run
this City.
Mayor Thomas closed the public hearing.
Councilwoman Rogers moved to approve Res. 2006-R-07,
authorizing and directing that a proposed Charter Amendment
related to maximum building heights be submitted to the
electors of the City of Edgewater at the November 7, 2006
General Election as requested by Edgewater Citizen's
Alliance for Responsible Development, Inc., second by
Councilwoman Rhodes.
The MOTION CARRIED 4 - 0 .
I. 1st Reading, Ord. No. 2006-0-30, proposing an
Amendment to the Charter of the City of
Edgewater providing for exceptions to the
prohibition against new building heights in
excess of 35 feet
City Attorney Palmer read Ord. 2006-0-30 into the record.
Interim City Manager Williams made a staff presentation.
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Mayor Thomas confirmed they are giving the voters two
choices, either the citizen initiative 35-foot height cap,
or if the Council approves this, yes we want a 35-foot
height cap excluding commercial, industrial and semi-
public.
Interim City Manager Williams stated they are wanting to
clarify the position by saying don't bind yourself and
prevent the development of the tax base that the City wants
and desperately needs.
Councilwoman Rhodes stated this is an opportunity for the
voters to vote and let the taxpayers tell the Council want
they want. Any time they have that option she feels they
are remiss in not taking advantage of it.
Councilwoman Lichter feels both viewpoints can win. It is
a win-win situation. She feels if they get the yes vote on
their signatures it takes care of their worries about
condos and residential heights. She feels the City needs
desperately the industrial base and the business base. She
mentioned a hospital looking at land to the south. If they
came in for special exceptions on all these things, it
would be costly and they would go elsewhere. She feels if
the voters don't want to. make that exception they will vote
no.
Councilwoman Rogers had a problem with Item 2 - Any mixed-
use buildings of which at least 70% is dedicated to non-
residential. Then the other 30% could be construed as
residential. Interim City Manager Williams informed her
that was correct. Councilwoman Rogers stated the reason
for this is so they are saying everything other than
residential but yet they are sliding in 30% on that one
item. She mentioned having a problem with stores that have
a second floor for homes for people.
Interim City Manager Williams stated if that is something
the Council wants to consider they could move to strike
that language.
Councilwoman Rogers expressed concern with having renters
and this area not being in the close proximity of where
they are right now. They have had a lot of issues of where
they are going to identify downtown Edgewater. This would
almost dictate that. Until they get there, she doesn't
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want to have it start somewhere else and then they decide
they want it somewhere else. She likes the idea but feels
they don't have any vision of that yet. She feels they
need to pay attention to that and then bring it back once
they have decided where they are going to build a City Hall
and where they are going to call downtown. Interim City
Manager Williams didn't disagree and stated he thought what
staff was trying to do was be proactive in saying they
could potentially be faced with an option to do this. If
it is approved by the voters and put into the Charter and
then they have somebody that comes before the Council with
an application for a mixed-use project, the only way they
would be able to allow it is to amend the Charter at
another election, which would involve a lot of time in
making sure that those changes are made.
Councilwoman Rogers felt then perhaps they could add
something to this so they have their built in flexibility.
She suggested they come up with some verbiage to add to
that to protect the City in that type of a situation.
Councilwoman Rhodes suggested they take it out.
Councilwoman Rogers feels right now that is open language
and they need to seal it so they have the flexibility later
on.
Councilwoman Lichter mentioned things changing when Council
changes and things not staying the same.
Interim City Manager Williams reminded Council they were
putting this before the voters and they are looking for
this clarification. It behooves them to figure out
something that accommodates everybody's interest now.
Councilwoman Rhodes questioned why that has to be in there
at all and feels that eliminates the issue. Interim City
Manager Williams informed her it didn't have to be and it
also eliminates the opportunity. He didn't feel Council
wanted to bind themselves from any potential positive
development in that respect.
Councilwoman Lichter felt the sentence should be broader.
Interim City Manager Williams explained they have tried to
come up with the best definition or description to try to
be all encompassing so it doesn't hit a wall if they get
into a situation in the future.
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Councilwoman Rhodes asked
give them the language to
accomplish.
City Attorney Palmer if he could
include in the motion that will
City Attorney Palmer felt they needed to be careful in
terms of this going into the Charter and it needing to be
definitive in a sense that it creates a rule. He would be
hesitant to add anything in there that says except as
specifically exempted by the Council.
Councilwoman Lichter asked if had to be in the Charter.
Cit Attorney Palmer stated the reason it is being proposed
as a Charter amendment is as an exemption to the previous
Charter amendment that was just discussed. If the previous
Charter amendment passes and there is a broad 35-foot
prohibition they couldn't get around that within the Land
Development Code.
Councilwoman Rhodes suggested making it 85% instead of 70%.
City Attorney Palmer had a concern with increasing the
number. Councilwoman Rhodes felt if they could make the
number high enough than it is not feasible. Councilwoman
Rogers stated then why even have it. She was in agreement
with what he is thinking down the road. They need to have
some protection because they aren't down the road yet and
they don't have that vision.
Councilwoman Lichter asked when this had to be ready to go
on the ballot. Interim City Manager Williams informed her
tomorrow morning. Councilwoman Lichter felt if it had to
be by tomorrow morning, why don't they eliminate it for
now. Interim City Manager Williams felt from a protection
standpoint that they were protecting themselves by adding
language. Councilwoman Lichter spoke of limiting where
mixed uses can be. Interim City Manager Williams stated if
the concern is appropriate zoning districts, they might be
able to provide some of that control from the Land
Development Code.
City Attorney Palmer stated most mixed-use projects would
probably be in a PUD zoning district and they might be able
to add some language that limits the mixed-use exception to
whatever is provided in the PUD Zoning Agreement. If this
is something Council would like him to do, he suggested
Mayor Thomas continue this until after the break and he
would be happy to take a few minutes to work something out.
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There was a ten-minute recess at this time. The meeting
recessed at 8:18 p.m. and reconvened at 8:34 p.m.
City Attorney Palmer commented on the options he came up
with after speaking with Interim City Manager Williams and
City Attorney Rosenthal. The first suggestion and probably
the safety approach would be to leave the text as written
and then deal with any more restrictive regulations within
the Land Development Code. As the Charter is a broad
governing document, they can make it as broad and narrow
the restrictions in the Land Development Code but they
can't go the other way around.
Interim City Manager Williams stated currently there are no
provisions for this type of use in any of the zoning
classifications we have right now in the Land Development
Code. They would have to go back and propose some
amendments to that and make that language available in
there. If they provide that broad verbiage in the Charter
and make it black and white then they could certainly go
back and address it through the use of the Land Development
Code.
City Attorney Palmer stated that would be the safest and
most clear-cut approach. A second approach would be to add
some language where it would say any mixed use building of
which at least, and they could leave it at seventy or
change the percentage of its square footage is dedicated to
non-residential uses if a special exception is granted by
the City Council. He felt they might run into problems
with that in that the criteria for a special exception
included in a Charter amendment is unclear and would
probably need to be flushed out. The third and final
approach would be to strike it in whole and if the Council
was so inclined they could bring it up for a Charter
amendment in the future.
Councilwoman Rhodes questioned if they took it out if it
could be addressed in the Land Development Code. Interim
City Manager Williams informed her no it could not. The
Charter prevails over the Land Development Code.
Councilwoman Rogers stated they have a second reading of
the Land Development Code amendments and she is now at the
point that they should continue this and she understood it
would not be done in time to go on the ballot for this
November. She then listed the uses this would affect.
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With the way developers are as creative as they are, she
doesn't want them coming in and beating up the 35-foot
height they are talking about. She didn't have a problem
with a school, a hospital or a public facility like City
Hall. She had a problem with "other buildings" and
"commercial" .
Councilwoman Rogers made a motion that they continue this
until after the second reading of the Land Development Code
amendments dated September 11th.
Mayor Thomas stated he had to take public comments before
they could make a motion.
Mayor Thomas opened the public hearing.
The following citizens spoke:
Chris Balmer, 148 Williams Street, apologized for stumbling
over his words as to still being a little perplexed.
Councilwoman Rogers asked if she could make one comment and
stated for the record that Mr. Balmer is not a resident of
the City. Mr. Balmer stated you could back that up with he
has five tax bills and pays $12,000 in City taxes.
Councilwoman Rogers stated that was fine but he still
wasn't a resident of the City. Mr. Balmer stated he
doesn't vote but he pays taxes in the City.
Mr. Balmer stated the City has turned down jobs tonight in
the industrial park that the Economic Development Board has
worked so hard to bring to the City and now they are
talking about an ordinance.
Mayor Thomas stated it was a two-two tie so he thought it
was going to have to come up again. Mr. Balmer stated that
was good because the folks back there left very
disappointed and were thinking that was a dead issue.
Mayor Thomas stated he probably should have explained that.
Mr. Balmer asked if it was going to come up again. Mayor
Thomas stated he thought it would and asked if it would.
Interim City Manager Williams stated that was Council's
pleasure but the motion died that was on the floor. He
thought they could request to bring it back up. He
suggested they consider doing that.
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Councilwoman Rogers said she wanted to state for the record
that she made a motion to approve it with the exception of
the height on the silo so she is all for jobs in the City.
Councilwoman Rhodes stated but that killed the deal.
Councilwoman Rogers stated it didn't kill the deal. Mr.
Balmer stated he thought this was his time. Mayor Thomas
informed him it was.
Mr. Balmer stated in general if they can't have their silo
the jobs won't come here.
Mr. Balmer also pointed out to Councilwoman Rogers for the
record that he is a business owner in the City as well as
his wife who is opening up a business in this City.
Mr. Balmer feels with the ordinance it is a great thing to
look at to make exceptions because it doesn't tie their
hands as much. The thought of the Council not passing an
ordinance that allows exceptions is scary to the business
owners of this community.
Mr. Balmer informed Councilwoman Rogers he felt she had
some great points on the budget. He feels the taxes are
too high here and the numbers need to come down but he
feels she hasn't put a lot of thought behind how to move
that number down besides cut, cut, cut. He feels they can
cut and that it is important to cut and that there is
probably wasteful spending that they can cut however to
increase industrial and commercial tax base that isn't
exempted from increases is another way to control the
budget. Councilwoman Rogers stated she fully understood
but said in her defense that he had no idea what she has
been doing and how far she has been looking into things and
the fact that there are lots of problems within the City
right now that he is not aware of that has not been made
public so before you go making statements perhaps he should
wait and see.
Mr. Balmer encouraged the ordinance and felt it should be
passed and he appreciated the Council's time and efforts.
Dominic Capria, 606 Topside Circle, asked if there are two
readings for ordinances or just one. City Attorney Palmer
stated there are would be two readings but the Supervisor
of Elections needs the language. They can still strike it
at a later date if it doesn't pass at second reading.
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Andy Anderson, Pine Tree Drive, stated it looked like they
could talk over the three minutes from what he has been
seeing.
Mayor Thomas stated no, they had a debate and it was
unfortunate they took Mr. Balmer's time. He apologized for
that.
Mayor Thomas stated they are going to three minutes and
they are talking on the subject of the 35-foot height cap
Charter Amendment proposed by the City.
Mr. Anderson hoped when this is put on the ballot it would
be on there in a way that people could understand what it
is about. He feels politicians have a tendency to put
things on the ballots so you think you are voting for it
and you are voting against it or you think you are voting
against it and you are voting for it. He hopes it is
clean, clear and precise.
Mike Thompson, Volco Road, stated he is the mouthpiece for
the environmentalists and he does not live in the City.
There are a couple of things that upset him about this.
They said they needed a fifty-foot high loading dock to
unload their trucks. He has seen a lot of trucks and
everyone of them goes under the bridges that are marked
fourteen and fifteen feet on the interstate. The second
thing he has a real problem with is the City uses the word
DRI, Division of Regional Impact, Development of Regional
Impact. A DRI is over 500 housing units. If a DRI is
exempt all you have to do is one high rise that has more
than 500 housing units in it and you are exempt. He
briefly commented on exemptions. He feels the Council
needs to rethink where they are going. The people want a
35-foot height limit and a place to live. He suggested
they contact ECARD's attorney and talk to him to see what
is exempt. The City might not even need what they are
talking about.
Dave Ross, Needle Palm Drive, stated if the concern is
regarding this seventy/thirty is not what they want today
but it may be appropriate tomorrow then he suggested they
simply remove the language and when it becomes appropriate
put it back in as another Charter Amendment. That's not
difficult to do. If the people want it, they will give it
to them. Take it out and you have solved the debate. He
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firmly believes if they are prudent and diligently do their
representation fairly of the citizens of the City they will
put this wording in there to exempt commercial, industrial
and public use buildings from the 35-foot height. The City
will die a very slow death if they aren't real careful.
There is no way that many commercial buildings,
manufacturing facilities, can live with a 35-foot height.
Some can, a lot can't. He asked the Council to give the
voters a choice. Mr. Ross also clarified he is an
environmentalist and the man that previously spoke is not
his mouthpiece.
William Glasser, 1703 Needle Palm Drive, by the fact that
this will be an amendment to the Charter implies or means
that it will go for a vote by the citizens because they
don't say the intent is to put this on the November 7th
ballot. For Item L they did specifically say November 7th.
Mr. Glasser then asked if it is on the ballot they have
early voting now going on and if they vote early will they
get to vote on this when it appears on the ballot for
November 7th. City Clerk Wadsworth informed him the early
voting now is for the Primary Election for the County.
Jean Kayat, 201 N. Riverside Drive, stated her husband and
herself own a manufacturing company and are very well aware
of what is required and what the companies need to be
efficient. It is very important to manufacturing that they
not limit them to 35 feet. The City of Edgewater will die
a very slow death. There won't be any need for new schools
and there won't be anybody working in manufacturing. They
need manufacturing and a balance of types of businesses.
They can't exclude manufacturing because it is a huge part
of any community.
Dot Carlson, 1714 Edgewater Drive, representing ECARD,
stated she talked with her attorney this afternoon and this
situation has happened in other towns where they have done
the height amendment. This has come up and people have
said they can't have industry but there is a lot of
industry that is not over 35 feet. The ballot language in
the petition is very clear. It's not really restricting
that much. They could go ahead and put the ECARD on there
and then come back if they are going to need to and do an
amendment later. See how this one goes and come back and
put something else on. She feels they are going to get a
hodge podge of buildings. She stated condos are not going
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on that
river.
over 35
river and she hopes commercial doesn't go on the
She has commercial behind her and none of those are
feet and they are flourishing.
Mayor Thomas closed the public hearing and entertained a
motion.
Councilwoman Rhodes feels the key is to let the voters
decide.
Councilwoman Rhodes moved to put this on the ballot.
City Attorney Palmer believed there was currently a motion
on the floor. Mayor Thomas stated he thought they couldn't
make a motion until he closed the public comment. City
Attorney Palmer corrected himself and believed now was the
time for Mayor Thomas to entertain a motion.
Councilwoman Rhodes made a motion to put this on the ballot
and let the voters decide, second by Councilwoman Lichter.
Mayor Thomas asked Interim City Manager Williams if the
Land Development Code passes with a 35-foot height cap on
second reading and they wanted to give a variance to a
hospital or school could they do that. Interim City
Manager Williams informed him under the Land Development
Code there are provisions for variances on every zoning
classification except for those PUDs so yes they could
provide it. However, if this goes to the voters and is
passed that supercedes anything they have in the Land
Development Code. The Charter will prevail if the
amendment is passed.
The MOTION CARRIED 3 -1 .
Councilwoman Roqers voted NO.
J. 1st Reading, Ord. No. 2006-0-32, proposing an
Amendment to the Charter of the City of
Edgewater amending Section 3.11(b) (Rules and
Journal) to provide that City Council meetings
shall include one period for "Citizen Comments"
to be determined by City Council in lieu of two
periods at the beginning of the meeting and
directly prior to adjournment
Mayor Thomas made a staff presentation.
City Attorney Palmer read Ord. 2006-0-32 into the record.
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Mayor Thomas opened the public hearing and asked for
Council Comments.
Councilwoman Rhodes, Councilwoman Rogers and Councilwoman
Lichter all suggested they leave it to the voters.
The following citizens spoke:
Andy Anderson, Pine Tree Drive, felt the problem with this
is if you have something you want to say you have to wait
until the meeting is over and sometimes the meetings run
until 1 o'clock in the morning. He didn't think this was
right. He feels if they are only going to have one time
for comments it should be at the beginning of the meeting
or somewhere in the middle, not at the end.
Councilwoman Rhodes feels if they only have one maybe the
meetings won't last until 1 o'clock in the morning.
Mayor Thomas feels if it is real important they will wait
to say something.
Ferd Heeb, 115 N. Riverside Drive, stated one of the
concerns the citizens had when this particular amendment
was put in the Charter last time was the fact that the
Council would limit people's ability to speak. It was just
mentioned they were going to go to five minutes after the
meeting but that doesn't say that so what happens is if the
citizens pass this the Council has the ability to change
how long someone can talk. He suggested if they are going
to put this on the ballot to tell the people they are going
to give them five minutes at the end of the meeting.
Mayor Thomas felt this was a good idea. Councilwoman
Rhodes suggested putting one five-minute period.
Dominic Capri a , 606 Topside Circle, felt it was good what
the Mayor was trying to do. They had six minutes, three at
the beginning and three at the end and they are going to
five.
Mike Visconti, 316 Pine Breeze Drive, stated the only
reason he says at the end of the meeting is because things
come up during the course of a meeting.
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Mayor Thomas felt by sitting through the meeting they might
learn something or the question you might ask might be
answered during that meeting. He again mentioned the
citizens still being able to talk on each agenda item.
John Cordeiro, 1515 pine Tree Drive, felt whether it is at
the beginning, in the middle or at the end or during every
subject, it's not fun to sit there two or three hours and
face all this that get being taxpayers. It's not fun to be
put down and not paid attention to. If they paid attention
to the real taxpayers of this City and the people that own
this City that is the first thing they should think about
doing.
Councilwoman Lichter stated they are taxpayers too.
Bob Kayat, 201 N. Riverside Drive, suggested they start the
meetings a little earlier.
Councilwoman Lichter commented on having workshops before
regular meetings. She feels people have a right to talk
but that it has been abused. She further commented on the
Councilmembers being taxpayers also. She helps the
citizens of our community and explains it all doesn't just
happen at the meetings. It happens when the citizens need
help. She mentioned the other meetings and workshops they
attend. She feels people have a right to talk but that
they should be polite and not criticize week after week.
She then mentioned serving the community for eight years.
She feels the Mayor is trying to accommodate a situation
that good manners would take care of if the audience would
react that way.
Dot Carlson, 1714 Edgewater Drive, felt people do get
redundant and don't always hear. She is very grateful and
spoke for ECARD that the City Council has been very kind
and patient with her environmental stuff.
Mayor Thomas closed the public hearing and entertained a
motion.
Councilwoman Rhodes moved to approve Ord. 2006-0-32,
proposing an Amendment to the Charter of the City of
Edgewater amending Section 3.11(b) (Rules and Journal) to
provide that City Council meetings shall include one period
for UCitizen Comments" to be determined by City Council in
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lieu of two periods at the beginning of the meeting and
directly prior to adjournment.
City Attorney Palmer stated just for clarification if it is
the Council's desire he recalled it being five minutes.
Councilwoman Rhodes included in her motion one five-minute
period for citizen comments.
Councilwoman Lichter suggested trying it before it becomes
an ordinance or goes into the Charter. She asked if this
means they have to put it in the Charter on this same vote.
She asked if the Council has a right in the Charter to make
rules and regulations for running their meetings.
Mr. Heeb stated he served on the Charter Review Committee
that placed this on the ballot the first time. He spoke of
this starting from when the City was in tremendous
controversy over the assessment for the wastewater
treatment plant, etc. and people from Florida Shores would
come to these meetings and they were kind of squelched. A
lot of them were very upset because they were limited to
what they could say and when they could say it. They
wanted this in the Charter and it passed. He felt they had
a shot at this with five minutes. If they left it blank,
they would have a problem.
City Attorney Palmer stated the Charter is very specific as
to the citizen comments periods. It allows the Council to
set its own rules.
Councilwoman Lichter seconded the motion.
The MOTION CARRIED 4 - 0 .
K. Res. No. 2006-R-06, objecting to certain
amendments to the Volusia County Charter
proposed by the Volusia County Charter Review
commission and authorizing the City Manager to
expend money in opposition to inform the
citizens of Edgewater
City Attorney Palmer read Res. 2006-R-06 into the record.
Interim City Manager Williams made a staff presentation.
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Mayor Thomas spoke of attending Frank Bruno's luncheon
today with twelve or thirteen of the Mayors in Volusia
County and they were mostly in consensus of supporting
this.
Councilwoman Lichter spoke of coming from a State that
doesn't have a County level of government. In Cheshire,
Connecticut, home rule is very important. She feels these
powers take away more than she feels needs to be with this
concept of home rule. She was willing to go with Interim
City Manager Williams' recommendation.
Mayor Thomas reported that he discussed the water issue at
length. They couldn't discuss it because of four members
being present from WAV but he let them know how he felt
about the water. Councilwoman Lichter informed him of a
very important vote that will take place on Wednesday
morning.
Councilwoman Rhodes and Councilwoman Rogers were in
complete agreement with Interim City Manager Williams on
this one.
Mayor Thomas opened the public hearing.
The following citizens spoke:
Andy Anderson, Pine Tree Drive, stated the City at least
once a year publishes all the different departments with
their respective phone numbers.
Mayor Thomas informed Mr. Anderson they were not there yet.
He informed him they were talking about the Charter
Amendments for the County.
Dot Carlson, 1714 Edgewater Drive, representing ECARD,
asked if they are referring to the Charter Review amendment
that gives the County jurisdiction over property annexed
into a City for ten years. They are against that too.
They would like to see a no limit put on that.
Ms. Carlson further stated the Charter Review Commission is
made up of the Glenn Storch's of the community, the
development lawyers and developers. The County Commission
itself could put something on the ballot that does the same
thing without having these folks do it. She asked if the
citizens of Edgewater have to pay anything on this.
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Interim City Manager Williams stated they are suggesting
$.50 per capita.
Ms. Carlson then suggested if this is opposed it would help
developers, so she feels they should let them pay for it.
It's on them and they are the ones that are going to gain.
Mayor Thomas mentioned there being three amendments they
aren't supporting. Interim City Manager Williams stated
those were amendments 4, 5, and 6 and they believe those
fall under Volusia County's home rule and they don't want
to object to those.
Mayor Thomas closed the public hearing and entertained a
motion.
Councilwoman Lichter moved to approve Res. 2006-R-06,
objecting to certain amendments to the Vol usia County
Charter proposed by the Vol usia County Charter Review
commission and authorizing the City Manager to expend money
in opposition to inform the citizens of Edgewater and not
to exceed $.50 per capita, second by Councilwoman Rogers.
The MOTION CARRIED 4 - 0 .
L. Res. No. 2006-R-07, authorizing and directing
that a proposed Charter Amendment related to
maximum building heights be submitted to the
electors of the City of Edgewater at the
November 7, 2006 General Election as requested
by Edgewater Citizen's Alliance for Responsible
Development, Inc.
This item was previously discussed in the meeting.
M. Res. No. 2006-R-08, amending the Personnel
policies and Procedures Manuals for
General/Non-Management Personnel, Supervisory
Personnel and Directors/Deputy Directors
Personnel Director Debby Sigler made a staff presentation
with regard to the proposed amendments to the Personnel
Policies and Procedures Manuals.
City Attorney Palmer read Res. 2006-R-08 into the record.
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Interim City Manager Williams further commented on the
weekly/bi-weekly pay and the cashing in of sick time. He
also mentioned going into union negotiations next year and
what they will be looking at.
Councilwoman Rogers is pleased they are going in this
direction.
Mayor Thomas stated he met with Ms. Sigler twice this past
week and he has full confidence in her.
Mayor Thomas opened the public hearing.
The following spoke:
Geoff Swetts, Driver/Paramedic, Edgewater Fire/Rescue,
representing the Employee Management Committee for the Fire
Department personnel, presented a history of the Employee
Management Committee. He was willing to meet with Interim
City Manager Williams and Ms. Sigler to discuss this. They
have had a good faith effort in the last seven months
waiting for this to come to Council and now they have been
told there is a possibility it might not be approved.
Interim City Manager Williams further elaborated on Mr.
Swetts' concerns.
Mr. Swetts invited anyone on the Council to meet with this
Committee.
Mayor Thomas closed the public hearing and entertained a
motion.
Councilwoman Rhodes moved to approve Res. 2006-R-OB,
amending the Personnel Policies and Procedures Manuals for
General/Non-Management Personnel, Supervisory Personnel and
Directors/Deputy Directors, second by Councilwoman Lichter.
The MOTION CARRIED 4 - 0 .
7. BOARD APPOINTMENTS
There were no Board Appointments at this time.
8. CONSENT AGENDA
There were no items to be discussed on the Consent Agenda
at this time.
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9. OTHER BUSINESS
A. FRDAP Grant - staff recommending approval for
the City to enter into a Project Agreement with
the State of Florida Department of
Environmental Protection for grant funding in
the amount of $200,000 for Kennedy Park
upgrades and authorize the Mayor or City
Manager to execute the Agreement
This item was handled earlier on the agenda.
10. OFFICER REPORTS
A. City Clerk wadsworth had nothing at this time.
B. City Attorney
City Attorney Palmer referred to two memorandums with
regard to Animal Shelter Bonds and what options are
available to the City if the Bond proceeds in the amount of
$500,000 are insufficient to construct the Shelter and Ad
Valorem Tax Assessment and ParkTowne Industrial Center -
Base Leg Drive and Rowan Way with regard to whether the
City has a legal obligation to construct Base Leg Drive and
Rowan Way, as same are depicted on the plat of ParkTowne
Industrial Center. They are of the opinion that there is
no legal obligation to construct the road however if that
issue were litigated obviously ruling of a court would be
determinative.
Interim City Manager Williams stated he would be looking
for Council's consensus whether or not they are willing to
take that gamble on August 31st to finalize the budget
process.
C. Interim City Manager
Interim City Manager Williams stated they have basically
finished up the budget and are getting it into its final
format for preparation for August 31st. He believes it is a
budget that creates a win-win situation for everybody.
They are going to recommend that they roll back the taxes
to 6.15 mills. He feels this is a start in the right
direction. The budget attempts to address the large amount
of water and sewer transfers that are coming from the Water
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& Sewer Fund of which they've gotten comments previously
from our auditors placing the emphasis on the need to
balance the General Fund without such large transfers.
They are recommending a roll off that transfer of $100,000.
The budget provides for a transfer to a capital projects
fund for $100,000, which would help with the planning for
the future in our future capital expenditures. Most
importantly, it provides for about $275,000 towards fund
balance, which hopefully will get us back to our minimum
level for reserves pursuant to the Charter. They know the
emphasis is there to roll back the taxes and they want to
roll back the taxes and they recognize Council's vision and
the citizens vision to do that and they are going to place
a continued effort to doing that. He spoke of some of the
issues not being created over night and them not being
resolved over night. Once they adopt the final budget on
September 25th, they talk about his contract. Hopefully at
that time they determine he is the gentleman they want and
they will continue those discussions into October. Those
discussions will focus on a strategic approach and action
plans to try to help achieve the overall goal of lowering
the taxes and providing some money for the capital
expenditure needs as they begin to emerge over time. It is
going to take some to fix some of the issues. They want
Council to playa major role in their strategic plan as
well as receive citizen input to help with that strategic
approach.
Interim City Manager Williams recognized that the voted
debt service is going to go down from .06 mills to .0317
mills. He feels they are heading in the right direction.
Councilwoman Rogers stated they were supposed to have a
budget meeting last week and asked if any of the papers
were available for them to start reviewing those. Interim
City Manager Williams stated they are shooting for a goal
of getting the final version to Council by Friday. They
are trying to provide some condensed formats and line item
detail as well. He feels they will be presently surprised
at the level of presentation.
Interim City Manager Williams commented on the memo he
provided to Council regarding the Green Coast Energy
presentation. He provided Council with all of the e-mail
communications he has had with representatives from East
Coast Energy. He has also provided them with a comment
from Councilman Vincenzi and the franchise agreement for
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their review and direction. He is looking to see if they
are interested in pursuing this and in what capacity. Do
they want those folks to pay for the due diligence, do they
want the City to pay for the due diligence, or do they say
thank you anyway.
Councilwoman Rhodes wanted to know how they get around
Section 8.
City Attorney Palmer stated they have had very brief
telephone conferences with Interim City Manager Williams
and having received no directive from him or from the
Council to perform any significant search, they haven't
spend any time. They didn't want to spend any time on
research without direction from the Council to incur the
cost. They made brief recommendations that Jon asked the
applicant to enter into a reimbursement agreement, as is
generally required of any developer in the City.
Councilwoman Rhodes asked City Attorney Palmer to read
Section 8 now and tell her what he thinks. City Attorney
Palmer stated having not researched the exact structure
that they are proposing to the City, he couldn't give an
opinion tonight that would not violate it. It would be a
question that requires more research. He feels there are
concerns and issues that are raised by that section.
Councilwoman Rhodes stated everything else is moot if that
section reads like she thinks it does. City Attorney
Palmer stated if negotiations or any agreements with them
would violate this, he would recommend the City not enter
into any agreements or letters.
Councilwoman Rhodes asked if they could tonight as a
consensus tell City Attorney Palmer to research and find
out if this says what she thinks it says. Any further
discussion is moot and a waste of time. To her it is very
clear and she would like an opinion from City Attorney
Palmer if it is or it isn't.
Mayor Thomas stated he was with Councilwoman Rhodes.
Councilwoman Lichter asked if when people call in for a
question to be answered, is the City paying the lawyer by
the hour for those services. Interim City Manager Williams
confirmed they have incurred costs up to this point.
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Councilwoman Lichter feels they have an awful lot on their
plate right now. She isn't closing her mind totally but
she doesn't feel they should spend another nickel on this
issue with the lawyer at the moment. She feels they have
enough to contend with at the moment and they could put
this off.
Councilwoman Rogers believed they needed to have the
attorneys tell them if it would put the City into jeopardy
but at the same time, she agrees with Councilwoman Lichter.
She doesn't want to spend any money researching something
right now when they are trying to reduce the millage rate.
Councilwoman Rhodes stated the public has been told that
this puts $6 million into the City coffers and it will save
on electricity costs. She felt they had an obligation to
investigate it but didn't want to spend any money such as
getting a list of cities where this is already occurring.
She wants an assurance that she has done everything she can
to investigate whether this is a viable option for the City
or not.
Interim City Manager Williams commented on money that has
already been spent. If Council is still interested tell
him in what capacity they want him to do that in. If not,
tell the folks and go on about their business.
Councilwoman Lichter she commented on this being a new
endeavor and asked if they have other customers.
Rob Hunter, Green Coast Energy, stated the technology they
are proposing is not a new endeavor. Green Coast Energy
was formed as an umbrella company to bring in experts.
These aren't people who are new to the game. They are
dealing with other potential businesses at this time.
Councilwoman Lichter questioned not having a reference at
this moment. Mr. Hunter informed her if she wanted
references for projects they worked on they could provide
those.
Interim City Manager Williams further explained Green Coast
Energy is basically serving in the capacity of a
consultant. They are a newly formed company that will go
out and shop this letter of interest to GE that says they
have a City that is interested and find out if they are
interested and present the capacity they go forward in. He
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didn't think Green Coast had broke red a deal like this
before.
Mr. Hunter stated the company itself is about a year old.
They are not actually brokering the deal. They actually
have relationships in place and hire them to come and build
the plant for them.
Councilwoman Lichter again stated they have enough on their
plate. Mayor Thomas agreed.
Councilwoman Rhodes stated in her professional opinion,
Section 8 precludes the City from doing anything with them.
Based upon that, she feels this is clear and that in 2013
when the City's contract is up with FP&L they would look
into their project and maybe they would have customers they
could talk to. Mr. Hunter clarified that Section 8 reads
the grantor agrees not to engage in the business of
distributing and selling electricity. Councilwoman Rhodes
stated or it says competition and they would be
competition. Mr. Hunter stated he would but a franchise
between the City and FPL cannot bind a third party. He can
still generate and distribute electricity. He commented on
a letter he provided at staff's request that clarified
that.
Councilwoman Rogers stated at this point with what is going
on with the City and all the decisions they are making at
this time she feels they should pass at this time.
Mayor Thomas stated that would be his opinion too and was
concerned about robbing the source to burning wood chips
and putting emissions in the air.
Councilwoman Rogers stated the fact that they have to make
decisions for the citizens and that they don't have any
references that can tell them this has worked and that the
money they have offered to the other cities is as Mr.
Hunter said, there is no history. They need history.
11. CITIZEN COMMENTS/CORRESPONDENCE
A. Tentative Agenda Items
The following citizens spoke:
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Ferd Heeb, 115 N. Riverside Drive, congratulated City staff
and Jack Corder for their efforts in getting the grants
that were announced tonight relative to the redevelopment
of Kennedy Park.
Mr. Heeb then commented on a facility that is provided in
the park for washing boats. He spoke of why he feels this
is a mistake. Mayor Thomas and Councilwoman Rhodes agreed
with Mr. Heeb.
Andy Anderson, pine Tree Drive, commented on problems he is
having with the new telephone system at City Hall.
Councilwoman Lichter and Councilwoman Rhodes agreed it is a
nuisance. Mr. Anderson stated he would appreciate it if
that could be corrected.
Rob Hunter, 2521 Travelers Palm Drive, stated he may be a
developer but he is also a citizen. He stated he listened
to the City's needs tonight. We need jobs, industry,
revenues, increase in taxable values, and as Councilwoman
Rhodes said if they had these opportunities it's almost
their duty to think about it and look at it. What Green
Coast is talking to the City now about is not putting
together contract. That is later down the road. What they
are asking is if they are interested in these benefits and
learning more about it. If Section 8 of the franchise is
the issue, he suggested they go to the PSC and ask them.
He feels this would be a fair resolution. If the City is
really swamped right now, he would like for them and the
City to come together again and speak about it. He then
commented on the process.
Councilwoman Rhodes wanted to see somewhere that this is
occurring and working. Mr. Hunter informed her there are
many biomass plants that are being utilized throughout the
u.S. and allover the world. He stated if she would like
he was sure he could pull her off several examples.
Councilwoman Rhodes asked him to give her examples for
herself, this has nothing to do with Council. Mr. Hunter
agreed to send her information about other plants.
Councilwoman Rhodes stated the fact that it worked
somewhere else with another company doing it doesn't mean
it is going to work with Green Coast Energy. She had a
problem with not being able to do any research on his
company. Mr. Hunter spoke of being able to do research on
the companies that build the plants. That is not the issue
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at hand. The issue at hand is is the City interested in
exploring an opportunity like this.
Councilwoman Lichter stated she would be at a future date.
This is not the appropriate time. Her cup runneth over.
She then mentioned things that are going on in the City
right now that they are dealing with.
Interim City Manager Williams suggested if Council was
wanting to look at this after the first of the year, the
City has partnered with Johnson Controls on other
performance based contracts, such as the radio read
project. He has had some discussion with Johnson Controls.
They have a division within Johnson Controls that has a
biomass plant up and running at the University of South
Carolina. They can certainly bring those folks in to
discuss that after the first of the year and they can have
dialogue with Green Coast and those folks and evaluate it
from that perspective. At some point in the future they
are going to have to incur the cost. There are no
appropriations in the budget for it.
Councilwoman Rhodes expressed a concern with burning wood
chips. Mr. Hunter stated burning wood chips is something
of a misnomer for the fuel that is being used. Biomass is a
wide variety of fuels. He agreed to bring it back to his
board that the City wants to meet again after the first of
the year. If they have a letter of interest, he could
probably convince them to pay any funding or legal expenses
within limits but no guarantees.
Interim City Manager Williams asked Council if they wanted
him to have the folks from Johnson Controls attend that
meeting also. Councilwoman Rhodes informed him absolutely.
Dot Carlson, 1714 Edgewater Drive, stated Edgewater needs a
map. When she was out collecting signatures, the residents
didn't know where a lot of the subdivisions were. They
don't have the big picture. There are 13,300 homes
proposed for the City of Edgewater and 7,500 acres is what
Edgewater is going to be growing by.
Interim City Manger Williams commented on Ms. Carlson
referencing Hammock Creek and the DRI project that is
coming. He commented on a link on our website describing
the public meetings that are coming out. He spoke of
exploring a map that they can put out there.
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Mr. Carlson commented on the Future Land Use Map changing
constantly. We are annexing so much in so fast the people
of Edgewater don't really have a clue what is coming at
them like a freight train. Interim City Manager Williams
stated the best avenue he could suggest is the website.
Ms. Carlson stated ECARD is doing a newsletter and all of
the subdivisions will be in there with an idea of where
they are located.
John Cordeiro, 1515 Pine Tree Drive, stated there were a
lot of people here earlier that said they enjoyed coming
here for three hours. He wished they had come before
November to see if they would have enjoyed it then. He has
to wait two more years before he can start enjoying it.
Mr. Cordeiro commented on Hammock Creek. When these
developers bought that land why didn't they go to the
County? The County has done a study on all that land and
every decision they come up with, it's not buildable. That
land is not buildable so how can they buy that land and now
the City annexed it in so now the City is going to have the
problem and not the County.
Councilwoman Lichter commented on having a workshop with
the County in the beginning.
Interim City Manager Williams stated he thought what Mr.
Cordeiro was referencing was that Mr. Marshall did a study
out in that area and has described that the property should
not be developed. Before that process even gets to dirt
being turned, he assured the Council that there would have
to be another study done to ensure it can in fact deal with
the drainage.
Mr. Cordeiro stated the only green they are interested in
is the green going into their bank accounts. Mayor Thomas
asked him whom he was referring to. Mr. Cordeiro didn't
know but said he was sure that is what happens. He didn't
have proof. Councilwoman Rhodes informed him he shouldn't
say it if he didn't have proof. Mr. Cordeiro informed her
she says a lot of things. Councilwoman Rhodes stated she
has proof. Mr. Cordeiro informed her he has been listening
to her for four years. She says one thing and turns around
and votes just the opposite. Councilwoman Rhodes informed
him he was so wrong and told him to prove it. Mr. Cordeiro
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mentioned the towers. She said she would never vote for
something that high and then she turned around and voted
for it. He didn't want to get into that.
Mr. Cordeiro stated he was here two weeks ago and spoke of
taking a three-minute shower. He tried it and it doesn't
work. He is now worried that once they cut down all the
trees that he is going to have to carry portable oxygen in
order to get oxygen.
Councilwoman Lichter informed him the new tree ordinance is
very explicit. She then commented on a letter they
received from a gentleman that has lived his whole life in
Edgewater that has moved to Coral Trace. He finds it very
derogatory when people talk about a place that he and the
people that live there enjoy living in.
Councilwoman Rogers stated they all read that letter. She
stated that was one letter.
City Clerk Wadsworth stated she had to change the CD and
that it would take about five minutes.
Mr. Anderson stated speaking of conserving, they could turn
the thermostat up about fifteen degrees and save some juice
there.
Mayor Thomas asked if Mr. Anderson if he had a retaining
wall on City property. He asked who gave him permission to
build that wall there. He stated and then he has the
audacity to call him and complain that the City workers
can't cut it but he got the right-of-way blocked. Mr.
Anderson stated he didn't call him and complain about
anything. Mayor Thomas stated he is tired of him going off
on tangents. Mr. Anderson stated who is talking about a
wall. He wasn't talking about any wall.
Interim City Manager Williams agreed to have staff research
it.
Ms. Carlson agreed with Mr. Anderson that it was freezing.
12 . ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business to discuss, the meeting
adjourned at 10:14 p.m.
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