10-02-2006 - Regular
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CITY COUNCIL OF EDGEWATER
REGULAR MEETING
OCTOBER 2, 2006
7:00 P.M.
COMMUNITY CENTER
MINUTES
1. CALL TO ORDER
Mayor Thomas called the Regular Meeting to order at 7:00
p.m. in the Community Center.
ROLL CALL
Mayor Michael Thomas
Councilwoman Debra Rogers
Councilman Dennis Vincenzi
Councilwoman Harriet Rhodes
Councilwoman Judith Lichter
City Manager Jon Williams
City Attorney Nicholas Palmer
City Clerk Susan Wadsworth
Deputy City Clerk Lisa Bloomer
Present
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Excused
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INVOCATION, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
There was a silent invocation and pledge of allegiance to
the Flag.
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
There were no minutes to be approved at this time.
3. PRESENTATIONS/PROCLAMATIONS/PLAQUES/CERTIFICATES/DON
ATIONS
A. Presentation by Donnadine Miller, Southeast
Volusia Historical Society, thanking City Council
for support in the development of a movie
concerning the early Turnbull settlement
Donnadine Miller, Southeast Volusia Historical Society,
thanked the Council for their support in the production of
"Smyrnea - Lost & Found". She presented a history of the
making of the movie. She mentioned there being no
remaining visible remnants of the Turnbull Settlement.
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Everything we have is below the surface of the ground.
She then commented on historical records that were found in
Dundee, Scotland that were the papers of Sr. Duncan with
whom Andrew Turnbull corresponded. She commented on how
the City helped to make the movie a reality. She then
commented on the project being put together with several
sources. She also commented on the staff time that the
City gave. She presented a copy of the DVD to the City.
They have agreed to nominate this for an award through the
Florida Trust. There will be copies for sale at the Museum
of History in New Smyrna beginning in November.
4. CITIZEN COMMENTS
The following citizens spoke:
Mike Visconti, 316 Pine Breeze Drive, commented on an
article in the Observer last Saturday regarding a new City
Hall. He spoke of serving on the City Hall Siting
Committee and properties they looked at that are no longer
available. He again mentioned the Settle Wilder property
being for sale for $690,000. He thought the money they
saved on Regions Bank could be used for this land and the
building of a new City Hall. He mentioned the rendering of
City Hall that was done a few years ago and felt the
Council should look at it. He stated only the City can
make this happen. He asked the Council to look into the
Settle Wilder property. The City has first refusal on it
and the price is negotiable.
Mr. Visconti then commented on the Animal Shelter. There
are buildings that are called pre-engineered metal
buildings, which are much less expensive than the block.
Bill Glasser, 1703 Needle Palm Drive, commented on several
of the subdivisions in Edgewater that have sidewalks and
the fact that Florida Shores has no sidewalks. He walks
every day from Willow Oak to the railroad tracks. He spoke
of people not slowing down and having a boulevard mentality
on the residential streets. He asked for someone to
explain why they have no sidewalks and a 30-mile per hour
speed limit.
City Manager Williams commented on when Florida Shores had
dirt roads and not a very good stormwater conveyance
system. He spoke of the cost of construction being too
much to bear at that time to also put in Miami curbing.
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They are working on a grant right now, Safe Ways to School.
He wasn't sure if there was a determination on who would
get it or acceptance of the grant that would provide for
sidewalks from 26th Street to 30th Street and the length of
Florida Shores from Silver Palm to Banyan. That is an
emphasis they will be placing on staff to look at
pedestrian systems.
5. CITY COUNCIL REPORTS
Councilwoman Rhodes had nothing at this time.
Councilwoman Lichter had nothing at this time.
Mayor Thomas commented on riding with Bobby Laramore who is
in Wastewater Management. He spoke of watching them line
the old terra cotta pipes and how they do it. There are
480 miles of terra cotta clay pipe in the City and there
are only like 48 miles left to do. It is quite expensive
but it will save money in the long run. He was very
impressed with that.
Councilwoman Rogers stated at the last MPO meeting there
were a couple of items that were brought to her attention
that will affect Edgewater. Back in the Fall of 2002
through Fall of 2003 there was a rumor that there was going
to be a study done for Indian River Boulevard to extend
across the river over to AlA. That study has come back
again.
Councilwoman Rogers stated she brought to the attention of
their City Manager last year that there was possible
funding they could go after through the MPO. She will
further discuss this with City Manager Williams. She spoke
of grant money that is going to be awarded to the City
through the MPO. They are aware of the sidewalks that are
not in the Florida Shores area. Her first concern is
sidewalks on the main routes to get the kids to and from
school.
Councilman Vincenzi had nothing at this time.
6. PUBLIC HEARINGS, ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS
A. 2nd Reading, Ord. No. 2006-0-33, Mark Karet, agent
for Edgewater Airpark, LLC, requesting annexation
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of 0.06+ acres of property located at 1840
Airpark Road
City Attorney Palmer read Ord. 2006-0-33 into the record.
Councilwoman Rhodes moved to continue Ord. 2006-0-33 until
November 6th, second by Councilwoman Lichter.
The MOTION CARRIED 5 - 0 .
B. 2nd Reading, Ord. No. 2006-0-20, Janice Shore
requesting an amendment to the Comprehensive Plan
Future Land Use Map to include 1.0~ acres of
property located at 1008 Flying M Court as Low
Density Transition with Conservation Overlay,
cont. from 9/11/06, Item 61
City Attorney Palmer read Ord. 2006-0-20 into the record.
Due to there being no comments, Mayor Thomas opened and
closed the public hearing.
Councilwoman Lichter moved to approve Ord. 2006-0-20,
Janice Shore requesting an amendment to the Comprehensive
Plan Future Land Use Map to include 1.0+ acres of property
located at 1008 Flying M Court as Low Density Transition
with Conservation Overlay, second by Councilwoman Rogers.
The MOTION CARRIED 5 - 0 .
C. 2nd Reading, Ord. No. 2006-0-22, Stephen and Jill
Hole requesting an amendment to the Comprehensive
Plan Future Land Use Map to change 0.17~ acres of
property located east of 114 Oak Ridge Avenue
from Low Density Residential to Commercial, cont.
from 9/11/06, Item 6J
City Attorney Palmer read Ord. 2006-0-22 into the record.
Due to there being no comments, Mayor Thomas opened and
closed the public hearing.
Councilwoman Rhodes moved to approve Ord. 2006-0-22,
Stephen and Jill Hole requesting an amendment to the
Comprehensive Plan Future Land Use Map to change 0.17+
acres of property located east of 114 Oak Ridge Avenue from
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Low Density Residential to Commercial, second by Councilman
Vincenzi.
The MOTION CARRIED 5 - 0 .
D. 2nd Reading, Ord. No. 2006-0-24, Dana and Marcia
Cornelius requesting an amendment to the
Comprehensive Plan Future Land Use Map to change
0.38~ acres of property located south of 114 Oak
Ridge Avenue from High Density Residential and
Commercial to Low Density Residential, cont. from
9/11/06, Item 6K
City Attorney Palmer read Ord. 2006-0-24 into the record.
Due to there being no comments, Mayor Thomas opened and
closed the public hearing.
Councilwoman Rogers moved to approve Ord. 2006-0-22, second
by Councilman Vincenzi.
The MOTION CARRIED 5-0.
City Attorney Palmer mentioned it should have been Ord.
2006-0-24 and not Ord. 2006-0-22.
Councilwoman Rogers amended her motion to approve Ord.
2006-0-24, Dana and Marcia Cornelius requesting an
amendment to the Comprehensive Plan Future Land Use Map to
change 0.38+ acres of property located south of 114 Oak
Ridge Avenue from High Density Residential and Commercial
to Low Density Residential, second by Councilman Vincenzi.
The MOTION CARRIED 5 - 0 .
E. 2nd Reading, Ord. No. 2006-0-21, Janice Shore
requesting an amendment to the Official Zoning
Map to include 1.0~ acres of property located at
1008 Flying M Court as RT (Rural Transitional),
cont. from 9/11/06, Item 6L
City Attorney Palmer read Ord. 2006-0-21 into the record.
Due to there being no comments, Mayor Thomas opened and
closed the public hearing.
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Councilwoman Rhodes moved to approve Ord. 2006-0-21, Janice
Shore requesting an amendment to the Official Zoning Map to
include 1.0+ acres of property located at 1008 Flying M
Court as RT (Rural Transitional), second by Councilman
Vincenzi.
The MOTION CARRIED 5 - 0 .
F. 2nd Reading, Ord. No. 2006-0-23, Stephen and Jill
Hole requesting an amendment to the Official
Zoning Map to change 0.17~ acres of property
located east of 114 Oak Ridge Avenue from R-3
(Single-Family Residential) to B-3 (Commercial),
cont. from 9/11/06, Item 6M
City Attorney Palmer read Ord. 2006-0-23 into the record.
Due to there being no comments, Mayor Thomas opened and
closed the public hearing.
Councilwoman Lichter moved to approve Ord. 2006-0-23,
Stephen and Jill Hole requesting an amendment to the
Official Zoning Map to change 0.17+ acres of property
located east of 114 Oak Ridge Avenue from R-3 (Sing1e-
Family Residential) to B-3 (Commercial), second by
Councilwoman Rhodes.
The MOTION CARRIED 5 - 0 .
G. 2nd Reading, Ord. No. 2006-0-25, Dana and Marcia
Cornelius requesting an amendment to the Official
Zoning Map to change 0.38~ acres of property
located south of 114 Oak Ridge Avenue from R-5
(Multi-Family Residential) and B-3 (Highway
Commercial) to R-2 (Single-Family Residential) ,
cont. from 9/11/06, Item 6N
City Attorney Palmer read Ord. 2006-0-25 into the record.
Due to there being no comments, Mayor Thomas opened and
closed the public hearing.
Councilwoman Rhodes moved to approve Ord. 2006-0-25, Dana
and Marcia Cornelius requesting an amendment to the
Official Zoning Map to change 0.38+ acres of property
located south of 114 Oak Ridge Avenue from R-5 (Mu1ti-
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Family Residential) and B-3 (Highway Commercial) to R-2
(Single-Family Residential), second by Councilwoman Rogers.
The MOTION CARRIED 5 - 0 .
7. BOARD APPOINTMENTS
A. Police Pension Board - nomination by Mayor Thomas
to fill a vacated seat due to the expired term of
Malecia Williams, who seeks reappointment
Mayor Thomas nominated Malecia Williams for reappointment.
Councilwoman Lichter moved to approve the reappointment of
Malecia Williams to the Police Pension Board, second by
Councilwoman Rhodes.
The MOTION CARRIED 5 - 0 .
8. CONSENT AGENDA
A. Utility Easement - staff recommending acceptance
of a utility easement from Johnny and Joan Cox
for the construction of a lift station located at
the northeast corner of USl and Palm Breeze Drive
B. Declaration of Easements - staff recommending
approval of easements for a turn around at the
end of Driveway "A" to be known as Rowan Way
located within ParkTowne Industrial Center
Councilwoman Rhodes moved to approve the Consent Agenda,
second by Councilwoman Lichter.
The MOTION CARRIED 5 - 0 .
9. OTHER BUSINESS
A. Janitorial Services - staff recommending Notice
to Award contract to G & G Complete Janitorial
Services, Inc. for an amount not to exceed
$32,232.00 a year and authorize the City Manager
to execute the document
City Manager Williams made a staff presentation.
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Councilwoman Rogers moved to approve the N Notice to Award
contract to G & G Complete Janitorial Services, Inc. for an
amount not to exceed $32,232.00 a year and authorize the
City Manager to execute the document, second by
Councilwoman Rhodes.
The MOTION CARRIED 5 - 0 .
B. Goals for City Manager - for FY 2006/2007 to be
set by City Council
Mayor Thomas informed the Council he was going to go down
the voting list and see what goals the Council has in mind
and they will try to come to a consensus.
Councilwoman Rhodes stated she had a few, some short term,
some long term. Sell the ParkTowne Property. Mayor Thomas
stated that was one of his. Councilwoman Rhodes stated
that would be her first goal. She then stated slow growth
and pursue quality development. Pursue commercial growth
and higher paying jobs. Lower taxes. Council consensus
and City Hall. She was sure there were more that she would
think of as they come up.
Councilwoman Lichter felt building consensus among City
Councilmembers is a very important thing. They aren't two
political parties trying to compete with each other. Any
workshop she has ever attended in the past, when they had
the money to go to workshops, said the role of a manager
with a city council is a little different than a mayor with
a two party system and that it has to take a little give
and take on everybody's part to try to build consensus. It
shouldn't be a contest.
Councilwoman Lichter stated of course constantly looking at
the tax situation. It isn't a once a year. It isn't at
the end of the year. There should be ways they can
improve. She also feels they need to have contact with our
representatives. There are certain things like who is
deciding the value of the house from last year that needs
them to have a method of determining that so we aren't
getting killed because a year ago houses sold at the peak
of their rate and that is affecting our taxes and the
citizens don't understand the value of their homes aren't
determined by the City but their taxes are. She feels
better communication with our House Senate and House Rep is
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important.
meetings.
She would like to see them attend some of our
Councilwoman Lichter feels they need to have some workshops
with the public so they can talk over things and find out
what their problems are, not just at budget time but
throughout the year.
Councilwoman Lichter feels sometimes if they could talk
things over together and she knows they have strict
Sunshine Laws down here so she thinks this is a problem.
She feels workshops, even if they are only an hour, on
certain subjects amongst themselves might help alleviate
some of that division and make it easier. She feels if
they are going to have anything that goes into four or five
hours they should start at 6:00 or 6:30. She also feels
there should be a limit as to how long a meeting should
run. She feels they run into negative reactions. If it is
too much for one night and the citizens have had their
opportunity to talk she would like to call the meeting off
at 11:00 at an hour that is reasonable because she feels it
is diminishing returns mentally. She thinks a normal 7 to
10 meeting really should be all there is on an agenda.
Anything longer is negative.
Councilwoman Lichter likes to have open door with the City
Manager so they can talk when something comes up. She
appreciates that City Manager Williams does more than five
days a week. She felt it was a plus that he was available
to speak to the Council on the weekends.
Councilwoman Lichter felt continued education on City
Manager Williams part, although she knows the City is in a
bind with finances, she knows he has come up through the
ropes in this City, but she feels the groups he joined and
pays for, she feels if there are workshops, that he should
attend them. She feels that might be vital because he
hasn't had that particular type of experience in the
background.
Councilman Vincenzi felt the way the goal session would be
productive would be to throw a bunch of things out on the
table and then City Manager Williams take them back to his
office and they get a list of them for the Council to mull
over for the next week or so and then they come back at a
workshop or special meeting and he can give the Council his
ideas of what is achievable and how he might achieve it and
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they will do the same with him. He feels this is fairer
than throwing a bunch of things at him and say this is what
they want him to do if he can. That is more like a wish
list of things that he might want to get done if he can.
Councilwoman Rhodes stated it in his contract that he says
if it is achievable or not. Councilman Vincenzi stated
preferably it would be something they could decide on as
something that is attainable before he starts. Or if it is
something that isn't attainable in one year, maybe it is a
two or three year project. He feels City Manager Williams
has his ideas of what he would like to see. More reduction
in what he terms excessive benefits for employees to save
tax money. That isn't take away benefits that are normally
approved and normally given to employees. He referred to
the annual leave buy back and the sick leave buy back. He
thinks this is something that really needs to be looked at
and negotiated and possibly cut out or reduced or
something. He feels that would save the City and taxpayers
a lot of money.
Councilman vincenzi would like to see some type of plan put
into effect as far as efficiency in departments. The
people or the department heads would know best on that.
The natural tendency to come back is they are working with
the bare minimum. There are things that can be done and
studies that can be undertaken to see if that is true or
not. Department heads may not even be aware of what waste
and inefficiency might exist in their own departments. He
feels this is something that should be looked at under City
Manager Williams' direction.
Councilwoman Rhodes added they buy back sick leave and
vacation time. If they don't buy it back what does it cost
the City in overtime when these people take their vacations
to cover that. She would like to see a comparison.
Councilman Vincenzi stated they could talk about that but
stuff like that should be considered when they are doing
their budget. Department heads need to take that into
account.
Councilman Vincenzi stated they have mentioned a bunch over
the past couple of months. He feels the ideas that are
being thrown out should be gathered and collected and they
should come back in a week or two after he has looked at
them and the Council has looked at them.
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Councilwoman Lichter mentioned City Manager Williams having
his own goals too.
Mayor Thomas stated that is what he is trying to do.
they throw out a bunch of things and four of them say
is what they want to go for and one doesn't then that
Council consensus.
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Councilwoman Rogers stated number one, City Hall. They
need to do something. In reading the article and also in
conversations with City Manager Williams, the follow up on
the dredging material. It sounded like there is a closed
door but there is also a slight door. It isn't totally
closed. She would like him to continue to pursue that.
Councilwoman Rogers stated second, sell ParkTowne. In
looking to sell ParkTowne they need to be very wise who
they sell it to because that would be an opportunity for
future economic development. The internal revenue is now
giving a lot of credits to manufacturing and construction
type businesses. She feels a manufacturer of sorts would
do well.
Councilwoman Rogers stated the next item would be debt. We
have a huge amount of debt. She spoke of having sales of
$1.8 million and only $500,000 of the sales in ParkTowne
went to debt. Whenever they sell something any debt
attributed to that needs to be paid.
Councilwoman Rogers stated the auditors are going to be
looking at the General Fund but at the same time they can
take a proactive approach in not burying things so much.
If they have to set up a separate fund so it is easier for
them to track and see, then that is what they need to do.
She didn't think it required any more work. If it is
separated so all the Council can see it, it will help them
make better decisions.
Councilwoman Rogers stated taxes are important but they
really need to pay attention to debt. She wasn't going to
get into the employee issues because she felt he already
knew there were some issues there. She felt the biggest
issue was the debt and the management. The City Manager
has a lot of power and she suggested the City Manager work
very closely with the Personnel Manager because that is her
area of expertise. She suggested he listen to her
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suggestions. When certain department heads are to receive
promotions and/or increases or anyone within in
departments, if it is of a certain dollar amount she would
like it to come back to the City Council so they don't find
out about it from the public.
Councilwoman Rogers agreed with Councilwoman Lichter on the
time of the meetings. They need to end them no later than
11:00. There is a point of diminishing returns.
Mayor Thomas stated he would like to set a goal of shaving
another half a mill off of the tax base rate by this time
next year, which would take it to 5.2, which would be very
close to roll back.
Mayor Thomas stated using innovation and creation. He
loves that. He feels City Manager Williams could do it
because he was the Finance Director. He feels they need to
pay more attention to the employees. There is nobody else
that knows. They gave him a bunch of suggestions when he
rode with them. He feels nobody knows how to shave fat
more than them. If they come up with some type of program
that saves money, he feels. they ought to give them some
type of incentive to do that.
Mayor Thomas stated one easy way is going to be selling the
ParkTowne property. He felt they had all come to a
consensus on that. He feels that will get that half a mill
and then they can go right on down. They want to be very
careful. They want to sell it at a fair market value. If
they have to hold on to it for a while then that is what
they will have to do. They want to sell it to somebody
that is going to develop it. The City doesn't need to be
the developers of the property.
Mayor Thomas asked City Manager Williams how long he had
been City Manager. City Manager Williams informed him
since August 31st. Mayor Thomas pointed out that was one
month. He stated people expect changes like that and it
doesn't happen. He informed City Manager Williams now he
had a year to do these.
Mayor Thomas suggested City Manager Williams put all these
together and come back.
Councilwoman Lichter informed Mayor Thomas she forgot one
thing. She feels the smaller businesses that are already
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established they should try to get their group together
again and see if they can spruce up Hibiscus and Guava and
see if they might need some encouragement to make them look
better but they have got to want to do it also. She feels
the City has some good small business but they aren't paid
attention to.
Mayor Thomas felt they needed to expedite things. He found
out that government is very slow. He feels the animal
shelter should have been built two years ago. They are
still without shuffleboard courts and tennis courts and all
that stuff that he was sure has been approved. They need
to do something and get it going.
City Manager Williams informed him they would get the
minutes done and they would prepare a list of items and he
would put together a plan of attack. Mayor Thomas
suggested he give them a list of all of those and they will
go down and check the ones they think are important.
Councilwoman Rogers stated she knows they seek grants but
she still feels they aren't seeking enough grants. She
suggested they put an extra effort in that area, paying
specific attention to historical. She knew he was looking
at those things but while they are thinking of City Hall
and grants, let's dig and look. This is Edgewater, Hawks
Park. She feels they need to do in that area as much as
they can.
C. Driveway "AU (Rowan Way) and Base Leg Drive -
staff recommending to reject bids for both
projects as they are no longer appropriate for
the current scope of work approved by Council
City Manager Williams made a staff presentation.
Councilwoman Rhodes moved to reject Bid #06-PW-02 and Bid
#06-PW-03, second by Councilwoman Rogers.
The MOTION CARRIED 5-0.
10. OFFICER REPORTS
A. City Clerk
Deputy City Clerk Bloomer had nothing at this time.
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B. City Attorney
City Attorney Palmer had nothing at this time.
C. City Manager
City Manager Williams commented on the timeline for legal
services. He asked Council to let him know if they have
any conflicts with the proposed schedule.
City Manager Williams then commented on meeting with the
folks from Habitat for Humanity. They have disclosed that
they have 17 folks that are on a waiting list to have
affordable housing provided to them. They have two that
have an immediate need right now. They have expressed a
desire to sit down and work with them in any way possible
to address some of those needs.
Mayor Thomas commented on the presentation they gave. He
invited them to a Council meeting to make a presentation.
Councilwoman Lichter stated she has several Habitat houses
in District 4. The only trouble was the developers had
left over lots that maybe didn't quite make the regular lot
lines or amount of property, etc. so they became closer to
the house behind them or next to them and that was the
criticism of the neighbors. She doesn't want them to come
in on the wrong footing with neighbors.
City Manager Williams stated they are currently moving
through the process with a piece of property they are
looking at. They have described they build a very nice
home. The average cost of these homes is $91,000. They
have committed from a staff's perspective to working with
them and ultimately want to schedule them before Council.
Mayor Thomas suggested the Council take a look at some of
the pictures of their homes. Councilwoman Lichter
suggested they ride around and look at the ones that have
already been built.
City Manager Williams informed Council they would only be
having one meeting this month, one in November and they
have had some requests to only have one in December. They
have left that agenda very light if it is Council's will to
only have one in December. He was looking for direction
from Council as to whether they only want to have one
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meeting in December. It was the consensus of Council to
only hold one in December unless something important or
time sensitive comes up.
City Manager Williams introduced the new Finance Director,
Brett Tanner and the new Police Chief, John Taves.
Councilwoman Rogers asked if the salaries have been figured
in the budget. City Manager Williams informed her yes.
City Manager Williams then reported that the City's amount
of debt has gone from $46 million to a little over $45
million. He was certain that would raise concerns with
some of the folks that have been watching the amount of
debt we have. The reduction is associated with the annual
principal payments the city makes each year. This schedule
will be incorporated into the Comprehensive Annual
Financial Report and will become part of the certified
financial documents.
11. CITIZEN COMMENTS/CORRESPONDENCE
The following citizen spoke:
Mike Visconti, 316 Pine Breeze Drive, hoped that someone
would give the Pastor at Settle Wilder a phone call one way
or the other, whether they are interested or not. He asked
that they at least give him a courtesy call.
Mayor Thomas recognized Donald Schmidt, the previous Mayor
who was present at the meeting.
A. Tentative Agenda Items
There were no Tentative Agenda Items to discuss at this
time.
12 . ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business to discuss, the meeting
adjourned at 8:07 p.m.
Minutes submitted by:
Lisa Bloomer
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