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CITY COUNCIL OF EDGEWATER
SPECIAL MEETING
SEPTEMBER 16, 2002
7:00 P.M.
COMMUNITY CENTER
MINUTES
CALL TO ORDER
Mayor Schmidt called the Special Meeting to order at 7:08 p.m. in
the Community Center.
ROLL CALL
Mayor Donald Schmidt
Councilman James Brown
Councilman Dennis Vincenzi
Councilwoman Harriet Rhodes
Councilwoman Judith Lichter
City Manager Kenneth Hooper
City Clerk Susan Wadsworth
Legal Assistant Robin Matusick
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MEETING PURPOSE
The purpose of the meeting was to hold public hearings (2nd
Readings) on Ord. 2002-0-13, amending the City Budget for the
Fiscal Year ending September 30, 2002; Ord. No. 2002-0-14,
adopting final millage rate of 6.95 mills per $1,000 of assessed
taxable value and Ord. No. 2002-0-15, adopting final budget for
fiscal year 2002/03.
City Manager Hooper made a staff presentation regarding the
reasons for a budget increase. (Attached)
City Manager Hooper then went over the changes made to the budget
since the first public hearing with regard to revenues and
expenditures. (Attached)
City Manager Hooper strongly recommended the tax rate be 6.95
mills. He further commented on Enterprise Funds.
Councilwoman Lichter asked about the corridor and taking out the
money for the planning of SR 442. She asked if that was in terms
of the media getting a landscape architect to make the
entranceway. She feels this could be postponed until closer to
the completion of the project.
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city Manager Hooper explained it was an analysis of what kind of
setbacks and landscaping to preserve and maximize the use and
make it into a corridor, such as Dunlawton Avenue in Port Orange.
He further commented on the $100,000 the city will be getting
from DOT for median improvements and upgrades. DOT has indicated
there is more grant money out there available for that. The city
will be seeking those.
Councilwoman Lichter asked if the Truck Center is involved in any
kind of beautification. City Manager Hooper stated not really.
Councilwoman Lichter questioned an agreement with him to have him
do something with his property. City Manager Hooper stated there
is an agreement with him that he complies with all of our Codes
no later than the time that all the improvements are out there,
which means fencing and setbacks. The City is working with him
and he has made some improvements but the balance needs to match
the time of the completion of SR 442.
Councilman Vincenzi asked where the money comes from for the
Capital Improvements fund. City Manager Hooper informed him
there are different ones. Enterprise Funds have their own
capital improvement funds. The General Fund projects come out of
the General Fund and you can have others that are coming out of
impact fees.
Councilman Vincenzi asked about the realignment of Airpark Road,
the computer hardware/software and the FIND improvements. City
Manager Hooper commented on the FIND improvements coming from
what we have borrowed to put in Phase II of FIND. This comes
from a bank loan. OSSI computer is the Consolidated Dispatch
that the three cities have entered into, which was also a bank
loan.
Councilwoman Lichter asked about there being a grant for the
realignment of Airpark Road. City Manager Hooper stated there is
a grant for $155,000 which the City is getting. The total job is
about $600,000. The City has borrowed the difference. The grant
added to it gets the money to do the road improvement and then
the County is reimbursing the right-of-way and construction
costs. As new construction comes into this whole district inside
the City we will keep these road impact fees to pay the balance
off. If we don't have the County's agreement to do it, then the
project doesn't get built.
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Councilman Vincenzi asked about not having an agreement with the
County right now. City Manager Hooper explained we have a draft
agreement sent to them. Their attorney has reviewed it. It has
been through the entire process short of going to the County
Council. Councilwoman Lichter stated so we will not proceed with
that unless we have it firmly established that we are getting
that money. City Manager Hooper informed her that is correct.
Councilman Vincenzi asked when we get the money. City Manager
Hooper explained the process. Councilman Vincenzi expressed
concern with the City laying out some money to do the job and
questioned being able to put this project off.
There was further discussion regarding having a line of credit
and if the City had to borrow money it could. City Manager
Hooper stated they talked of that and the bank offered that but
the interest rates were so low we were able to get the money and
invest it and even earn some of that investment.
City Manager Hooper spoke of options if this road can't be built
and prepaying back a portion of the money.
Councilman Vincenzi feels when times are tight like they are now
possibly it should be a project to put off. City Manager Hooper
feels they couldn't do that and get the savings the City is
wanting to.
Mayor Schmidt questioned this jeopardizing the $155,000 grant.
City Manager Hooper stated it would wipe it out.
Legal Assistant Matusick read Ord. 2002-0-13, 2002-0-14, and
2002-0-15 into the record.
Mayor Schmidt opened the public hearing.
Anton Heeb, 616 N. Riverside Drive, member, Planning & Zoning
Board, commented on the request made by the Planning and Zoning
Board. It is his understanding that the $60,000 appropriated for
the planning for the SR 442 corridor also includes the Park
Avenue corridor. City Manager Hooper informed him it is just SR
442.
Mr. Heeb stated they understand we have a serious problem about
funding but they also feel the SR 442 corridor will probably open
up to a lot of development. He suggested putting a moratorium
on building until SR 442 is finished.
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Mr. Heeb requested Council give this some consideration and
possibly enact something so they can slow down. All they want to
do is see that it is managed properly.
City Manager Hooper stated he is hoping to come back in six
months and go over this again. One of the top priorities he
hated to cut out was this. He feels it would be a wise choice to
do a moratorium but he feels it is premature to discuss tonight.
He suggested reviewing this during the mid-year budget review.
He mentioned phasing into that.
City Manager Hooper commented on gathering corridor studies from
Port Orange, Ormond and Lake Mary to see what they have done. He
spoke of trying to develop something ourselves and work with some
volunteers from the Planning and Zoning Board. He feels we are
at least a year from SR 442 being completed. Activity is very
hot. There are people coming in two or three times a day talking
of parcels along SR 442 and what they can do.
Councilman Vincenzi feels Mr. Heeb had a valid point and he
agreed with him.
Robert Pogg, 2925 Yule Tree Drive, feels the corridor is down the
road and what they need to think about is today. He feels nobody
really cares anymore in Edgewater. He stated a couple of his
neighbors don't vote anymore because they are disgusted. He
spoke of taxes going up. He commended the Council for not
increasing taxes in the past as much as they have increased this
year. He feels after 9/11 the Council should have put the breaks
on on spending and to start cutting. He then spoke about most of
the people in Edgewater being on a fixed income. He spoke about
City trucks riding around all day long wasting gas. He spoke
about cruisers hiding under trees on 35th street. He feels the
department heads should get out and look at what their people are
doing because there is a lot of wasted money. He feels we should
keep Edgewater a small town.
Myron Hammond, 1821 Royal Palm Drive, also commented on a lot of
people being on a fixed income. He spoke about the businesses
having a rough time also. He commented on worker's compensation
and insurance increasing drastically. A lot of people have asked
him about the pensions and they want to be explained when the
stock market goes down the City has to match what portion to
bring it back up.
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city Manager Hooper explained each fund is independent. He spoke
about the actuarial the City receives every year which is a study
that says it went down 8% and the City has to make that up. This
varies year to year depending how the investments went. In years
past it has been a small amount. This year it is a much larger
amount. He further commented on the City having two General Fund
type pension plans. The City's total increase for all funds
across the board is about $250,000. He further commented on
Edgewater growing by leaps and bounds. He feels we have to have
controlled growth. He hates to see taxes go up but he
understands.
Bill Fischer, 2825 Sabal Palm Drive, asked about the money going
into the stock market for the employees. He retired six years
ago and has lost a lot of money. Nobody is going to replace his
and he wondered why the City has to make it all up in one year.
City Manager Hooper explained it is not made up in one year. It
is each year you get an invoice that says to keep your pension
plan solvent so that at the time anybody retires that there is
enough money to pay for their retirement. This year it went
down. They are not making up for a shortfall from years before.
This is only what has occurred in this last twelve months. He
feels the City is taking extra from him that he doesn't have to
give to the City employees.
Mike Visconti, 316 Pine Breeze Drive, asked if there is a 5%
increase in the employees salaries as well as an 8% increase on
their pension. City Manager Hooper stated there isn't an
increase on the pension. The pension is just to keep it solvent.
He commented on there being an investment the City makes into the
employees pension plan, which varies. He asked if there is a
possible way to negotiate with the unions to freeze the salaries
at this point. City Manager Hooper stated no there is not. They
entered into a contract with the unions for a period of time.
Mr. Visconti commented on there being no money for
beautification. City Manager Hooper stated that is for this
twelve month period. He has recommended they go without for a
twelve month period. He has elected to recommend they go without
for twelve months and the budget tightening is across the board.
This year is one that everybody is putting something on the
table.
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Ray Miller, 2450 S. Ridgewood Avenue, spoke about the 1990 census
demographic sheet at City Hall. He referred to the percentage of
people that make under $15,000 and under $25,000 and the
percentage of people in Edgewater that are over age 65. He asked
if the City copies the County as far as what they put into the
pension funds.
City Manager Hooper explained they are independent funds. The
County has its own investments. The City has a local plan which
is a different plan.
Finance Director Goins stated for the general employees the new
plan is about 12%, the general employees old plan is about 23%,
the Fire Department is about 16% and the Police Department is
about 28%.
Mr. Miller stated the average of 20.4% being a pretty good chunk
of change that people are getting. He doesn't know why they
should have to pick up paying that.
Councilwoman Rhodes stated the City does not manage investments
for the pension funds. We have different consultants that do
that. City Manager Hooper commented on the employees making
money in years past. He further commented on employees being
entitled to full benefits when they sign the contract to become
public employees. Usually the wages are much lower than they
would have been able to do in private sector and some of the
benefits offset that wage.
Councilwoman Lichter feels when they are talking about the stock
market they are talking about two separate things. She received
some of the same phone calls as Mr. Hammond. She commented on
the older employees and having to guarantee a certain amount is
going to be in there. She spoke of the employees who have been
in the plan longer having a different type of plan than the newer
employees. That plan is guaranteed by the City to give them a
certain retirement pay and that is the one that we are short on
because some of those moneys have been invested in the stock
market.
Doris Hill, 112 Lincoln Road, stated she is not in favor of
cutting anybody but it gets to the point of where she thinks what
some of these people are saying is where is it going to end.
They are talking about one year. This isn't going to kill
anybody. However it could go on and on. Unless this is figured
differently, if this were a company what do they do. If they
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Councilwoman Rhodes stated we have already done that. City
Manager Hooper commented on having some vacant positions and some
frozen positions. There were between five and ten people that
have been frozen or laid off. The next step if this doesn't get
better is shrinkage and then you are talking of what services to
cut. You can't cut people without cutting some services.
Ms. Hill stated right now they can't have it all because there
isn't any money. Councilwoman Rhodes stated they realize that
and that is why they are cutting everywhere they can. If the
City of Edgewater goes bankrupt, we don't have pensions either.
We don't want to see that happen. Ms. Hill feels everybody has
to suffer a little bit, even the workers. We don't want to lose
any of them.
Pat Card, 3019 Willow Oak Drive, spoke about the requirement to
fund additionally the pension plan. The additional funding he
saw was in the Police Pension Plan. To keep the fund solid you
have to do that. He feels the important thing to remember is if
it comes back, you are going to have more money in the fund then
you need and when that happens, he doesn't want to see the money
spent on other things. Taxes have a ratchet effect. Next year
if the fund rises 30% he doesn't want to see 30% of the money
that comes in that would have funded the pension plan being used
for something else. He doesn't want to see the tax rate staying
the same. What concerns him is that the actuarial assumptions
that are being utilized are really quite simple. The way you
know how much a pension plan costs is when the last retired
person dies. Until that time, everyone is making assumptions.
The bottom line to this is assumptions and until they see what
the actuarial assumptions were and unless somebody on this board
understands them, nobody understands why the pension fund
requires an additional $16,000 this year and the Fire fund
requires less this year.
Mayor Schmidt closed the public hearing.
Councilwoman Rhodes stated we have $404,000 more than we had last
week. City Manager Hooper informed her yes. Councilwoman Rhodes
questioned the tax not having to go up a whole mill. City
Manager Hooper explained this now balances the reserve account
which meets the Charter standards and gives the Council a
balanced budget for all of next year at 6.95 mills.
Ord. No. 2002-0-13 - Amendinq the City Budqet for the Fiscal Year
endinq September 30, 2002
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Councilwoman Lichter moved to approve Ord. 2002-0-13, second by
Councilman Brown. The motion CARRIED 5-0.
Ord. No. 2002-0-14 - Adoptinq the final millaqe rate of 6.95
mills per $1,000 of assessed taxable value
Councilman Brown moved to approve Ord. 2002-0-14, second by
Councilwoman Lichter. The motion CARRIED 5-0.
Ord. No. 2002-0-15 - Adoptinq the final budqet for fiscal year
2002/03
Councilwoman Rhodes moved to approve Ord. 2002-0-15, second by
Councilwoman Lichter. The motion CARRIED 5-0.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business to discuss, Mayor Schmidt
recessed the meeting for ten-minutes, after which time they will
move on to the Regular" Meeting. The meeting recessed at 8:07
p.m.
Minutes submitted by:
Lisa Bloomer
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REASONS FOR BUDGET INCREASE
. INTEREST RATE DECLINED FROM
OCTOBER 2000 OF 6.64% TO SEPT. 2001 OF
3.46%. CURRENTLY 1.9%. (SBA RATES)
. PENSIONS - INVESTMENTS DID NOT
GAIN AS EXPECTED.
. HEALTH, DENTAL AND LIFE INSURANCE
BENEFITS INCREASED. FY 2003 - 8%
INCREASE
. PROPERTY INSURANCE INCREASE OF
20 - 30%.
. 18 MONTHS FOR NEW GROWTH TO BE
ADDED TO TAX ROLLS
. ADDITIONAL SENIOR HOMESTEAD HOME
VALUE INCREASE OF 12.74%
. UNION CONTRACT (5% SALARY)
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CHANGES MADE TO BUDGET
SINCE FIRST HEARING
9/16/02
. DELINQUENT TAXES
. ELECTRIC FRANCHISE FEES
. OCCUPATIONAL LICENSES
. ALCOHOLIC BEV. LICENSES
. ADMIN FEE - IMP ACT FEES
. SALE OF INDUSTRIAL PARK
PROPERTY
. RIGHT OF WAY CREDITS
EXPENDITURES
$ 2,000
$ 15,000
$ 2,000
$ 1,500
$ 334
$100,000
$ 1.,000
$121 ~834
· PUBLIC WORKS ROOF REPAIRS $30,000
· BUILDING POSITION ~ YEAR $20,000
· CITY CLERK-ELECTIONS $ 4,000
. PERSONNEL - ELIMINATE SAFETY
AWARDS $11,500
· CITY COUNCIL $ 8,000
. CITY CLERK $ 1,000
. CITY MANAGER $ 2,300
· FINANCE $ 5,000
· PLANNING - CORRIDOR PLAN $60,000
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· OGS - BUCKET TRUCK
AND FILE SERVER
· INSURANCE & OTHER MISC.
INCREASE
. POLICE
. FIRE INCREASE
. BUILDING
. CIVIL DEFENSE
. CODE ENFORCEMENT
· PUBLIC WORKS - RESURFACING
. PARKS
REVENUE INCREASE
EXPENDITURE DECREASE
TOTAL BUDGETED INCREASE
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$88,500
($38,417)
$ 4,000
$ 4,000
$ 500
$ 2,400
$20,000
$50,000
$10,000
$121,834
$282,783
$404,617