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CITY COUNCIL OF EDGEWATER
WORKSHOP
AUGUST 30, 2004
5:30 P.M.
COMMUNITY CENTER
MINUTES
CALL TO ORDER
Mayor Schmidt called the Workshop to order at 5:30 p.m. in the
Community Center.
ROLL CALL
Mayor Donald Schmidt
Councilman James Brown
Councilman Dennis Vincenzi
Councilwoman Harriet Rhodes
Councilwoman Judith Lichter
City Manager Kenneth Hooper
City Clerk Susan Wadsworth
Paralegal Robin Matusick
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MEETING PURPOSE
The purpose of the meeting was to discuss reclaimed water, a new
meter reading system (Johnson Controls) and annexations.
City Manager Hooper explained they would be talking about the
reclaimed system. They are going to highlight some of what is
broken, why it's not working, what has to be done to fix it and
then Johnson Controls will talk about financing of some
improvements that are based on the fact of revenue enhancements
for the system and then he would be talking about some
annexations of what has come in, where it is headed and our
issues with the County.
David King, Quentin Hampton, made a presentation regarding the
City's reclaimed water system and the improvements that need to
be made to the system.
Mr. King and City Manager Hooper answered questions presented by
Councilwoman Lichter.
There was a discussion regarding there being smaller lines at the
south end of the reclaimed water system and the north end of
Florida Shores using water before it has a chance to get to the
south and a major component of the cure being to put meters on
the reclaimed system and if you use more than a certain amount of
gallons per month there is a premium to that.
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There was then a discussion regarding the improvements that were
recently made to the reclaimed system. City Manager Hooper
explained without those improvements they would have run out of
water. The problem is not that they are running out of water but
that there is not enough pressure.
Mr. King and City Manager Hooper answered questions presented by
Mayor Schmidt and Councilwoman Rhodes.
There was a discussion regarding having zones of areas that can
be turned off. City Manager Hooper commented on why he doesn't
think that by itself works.
Mr. King answered questions presented by Councilman Brown
regarding the way the lines are being run.
There was a discussion regarding there being matching money out
there to help pay for these improvements.
There was then a discussion regarding Port Orange using a meter
system because of running out of water due to not having the
storage capability during dry times. After installing meters,
they have seen a dramatic reduction and have less problems with
running out of water.
There was further discussion regarding getting the reclaimed
water to the south end of Florida Shores and possibly tying into
the three City block pond on Mango Tree Drive.
Councilman Vincenzi questioned where the money would be coming
from to do this. City Manager Hooper explained there will be
savings in the entire system that will enable the City to do
meters. The reclaimed system, as far as the main, will be coming
out of the Enterprise Funds for utilities.
Councilwoman Rhodes questioned the time line they are looking at
for meters. Mr. Wadsworth informed her realistically five or six
months.
Mayor Schmidt commented on the people from 30th Street south
having issues over the next two years. He has a problem charging
them the same amount that the upper part is going to pay.
Councilwoman Rhodes agreed. If you aren't getting the water, you
shouldn't be paying for it. City Manager Hooper spoke of having
meters throughout. After the meters are in place, if they still
aren't getting water, they can have a differential or lower rate
or pay for only what they use.
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City Manager Hooper asked for consensus if they should do the
design and start with the study to implement the meters. The
second part of this presentation will involve the funding source
to be able to generate enough revenue to pay for the meters.
Councilwoman Lichter asked if this kind of project will help us
get what we are after with regard to the consumptive use permit.
City Manager Hooper explained everything you do to conserve water
gets you points for renewal of your consumptive use permit.
Councilman Vincenzi questioned if anything they do with the
system will be adequate anyway.
City Manager Hooper explained the City has 3,000 customers now
and the lines that are in place can handle 6,000 connections.
The system can work but it has to have some controls and a better
design. Councilman Vincenzi feels the customers should be
limited.
City Manager Hooper mentioned putting a moratorium on new
connections until the problem is solved.
There was a discussion regarding customers that are hooking up to
reclaimed water being made aware of the problem.
There was then a discussion regarding wells not being able to be
put in in Florida Shores because of there being reclaimed water
available, which is a County regulation. Mr. Wadsworth explained
they have worked with the Health Department and if there is an
area where they aren't getting any flow they deem it to be not
available so they do have that option.
Shawn Warren, Johnson Controls, introduced Mark Fosher, who
described his role with Johnson Controls.
Ms. Warren and Mr. Fosher made a Powerpoint presentation
regarding the whole process of taking additional revenue or saved
money and being able to convert that to capital improvement
projects. (Attached)
Bob Hill, Sensus, also provided information during the Powerpoint
Presentation.
Ms. Warren and Mr. Fosher answered questions presented by
Councilwoman Rhodes.
City Manager Hooper answered questions presented by Mayor Schmidt
and Councilwoman Rhodes.
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There was a discussion regarding the financial aspect of the
project.
city Manager Hooper informed Council he needed some consensus and
direction that if they are going to bring this back as far as a
contract there is a draft of a contract that outlines their role.
They do the study and show revenues that are going to be
produced, savings that will match the revenue and the list of
capital projects. Councilwoman Rhodes asked him to bring it up
under his report so she could have time to think about it.
Mr. Fosher made himself and Ms. Warren available to answer any
questions.
Councilwoman Rhodes would like to talk to one of the other
cities. City Manager Hooper stated he has and agreed to bring it
up under his report during the Regular Meeting.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business to discuss, the Workshop
adjourned at 6:58 p.m.
Minutes submitted by:
Lisa Bloomer
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