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12-15-1983 - Special/Workshop ~ u u CITY COUNCIL OF EDGEWATER SPECIAL MEETING & WORKSHOP DECEMBER 15, 1983 MINUTES Mayor David Ledbetter called the Special Meeting and Workshop to order at 9:30 AM in the Community Center. ROLL CALL Mayor David Ledbetter Councilman Melbourne Wargo Councilwoman Gigi Bennington Councilman Neil Asting Councilman Jack Spencer Present Present Present Present Present City Attorney Jose' Alvarez City Clerk Connie Kinsey Police Chief Earl Baugh Excused Present Excused Mayor Ledbetter stated the purpose of the Special Meeting and Workshop was to inter- view the applicants for the position of Building Official. Councilman Asting moved to recess the Special Meeting. Councilwoman Bennington seconded the motion. Motion CARRIED 5-0. r1r. Jerry Applegate was the first to be interviewed. Councilman Asting asked him if he was familiar with other than masonry work and with the Southern Building Code. Mr. Applegate said he started in carpentry and then went to an apprenticeship in masonry. He said he was familiar with the Southern Building Code through working with Volusia County. Councilman Asting asked if it's necessary to put a footer on with concrete slabs and Mr. Applegate replied that you have to have a footer. Councilman Wargo asked him if he was a job superintendent and Mr. Applegate said in New Jersey he was a mason foreman for a number of jobs where they built large buildings, and he worked under the superintendent of the job. Councilman Asting noted that the position is also as code enforcement officer and Mr. Applegate said he was doing that for the Community Development project for Volusia County. He noted that he was specifications writer for sub-standard housing and when the job was bid he had to oversee the work and be the code enforcement person. He said he had to sign off for them to release payments. Councilman Asting asked the type of construction and Mr. Applegate said they were 95% older wood frame homes that had to be renovated. Councilman Wargo asked if that was under HUD and Mr. Applegate said it was similar. Councilman Asting said that the Building Official will have times when he has disagreements with the contractors and he'll have to be firm to resist temptation. Mr. Applegate said he understood that. Councilman Asting asked if he is engaged in construction work now and Mr. Applegate said no. Councilman Asting noted that if he is appointed, he won't be able to engage in such work in the City of Edgewater. Mr. Applegate agreed to that. Councilman Asting also noted that held have to avoid any other commitments that would pose a conflict of interest. Mr. Applegate said he understood that. Councilman Asting asked if he is a member of the Building Officials Association and Mr. Applegate said no. Councilwoman Bennington asked him the differe~e between a Building Official and Building Inspector. Mr. Applegate said he was never a Building Official so he couldn't define that but he worked as an inspector and code enforcement officer. Councilwoman Bennington asked his interpretation of a Building Official and code enforcement officer. Mr. Apple- gate said the code enforcement implies that it would be somebody that knows building work and it would be mandatory that they would have to know what they're looking for to know the work. He said he realized the Council is looking for someone who knows how to inspect and knows \~hat the laws require and theylll uphold that law and make inspections to see the work is done properly according to the laws. ~ ~ Councilman Asting noted that the Building Official IS position would be on salary with no overtime pay involved and held need to put the number of hours in that are required to do the job. Councilman Asting asked him how many inspections will be made once construction is started on a new residence for a single family. Mr. Applegate said if there1s a footer held check the open trenches and see what the laws are for depth and width of footers. He said held also check the stakes in the footings, the lentils, rebar, wiring, trusses, insulation, rough plumbing, plumbing when they set the tubs, insulation for the vapor barrier, decking, and finished roof. . Councilman Spencer asked him if held lived in Edgewater and Mr. Applegate said he lived her from 1972 until about 1980. Councilman Spencer asked his occupation when in Edge- water and Mr. Applegate said he worked for the County of Volusia as a carpentry crew leader and then was promoted to the weatherization program for Volusia County, and then went to the Community Development program as a specification writer. Councilman Spencer asked if he was familiar with electrical inspections and wiring and Mr. Apple- gate said held worked with it in home dwellings and his name was in with Florida Power and Light to connect or disconnect and for final inspections on wiring. He said this was for residential. Councilman Spencer asked about single phase and three phase power and wiring and Mr. Applegate said held be getting into commercial with the heavier phases. Councilman Spencer asked if copper and aluminum wiring is permitted in residential wiring, and Mr. Applegate said yes and one is as good a conductor as the other but he thinks aluminum is better.' . Councilman Wargo asked his salary expectations and Mr. Applegate said he hadn't given it a lot of consideration and it would be a factor in the final analysis. Councilwoman Bennington asked the first thing held do if he were appointed as Building Official and Mr. Applegate said held do what is expected of him and would want to con- form with whatever they use as guidelines. Councilwoman Bennington said held be working for the City Clerk if appointed and held be given a Code Book and asked him what held do with it. Mr. Applegate said he's familiar with the Southern Building Code and Councilwoman Bennington said she was referring to our Code. Mr. Applegate said held familiarize himself to know that they conform of the Code and it would be his guideline. Mayor Ledbetter asked if held use the same size wiring for aluminum as copper. Mr. Applegate said copper is what he's familiar with and he hasnlt worked with aluminum, but he thinks aluminum is a greater conductor of electricity. Mayor Ledbetter noted that the apartments in Edgewater have different wiring from a regular house due to the phases of motors they use for bigger air conditioning units, and asked if he was familiar with that. Mr. Applegate said somewhat and he had worked with the electrical man in Deland, and noted that due to the work load he had to trust the contractors to a certain extent. Mayor Ledbetter said he wouldnlt want to depend on a contractor to put it to Code because they want to cut corners on money and time. Councilman Spencer said they aren1t looking for an electrical engineer but they want a Building Official that will be responsible that the safety requirements of grounding are satisfied. Mr. Applegate said he didnlt find one inspector in the county system who was capable of every phase of construction work and some are proficient in one phase and not another. Mayor Ledbetter noted that in. the County they have different inspectors for different"areas. Councilman Spencer asked if he had any questions and Mr. Applegate said he was just asking for fair consideration. Mayor Ledbetter noted that he would not receive unfair treatment of the table, and he would vote in the interest of the City of Edgewater. Mayor Ledbetter thanked Mr. Applegate for coming. Mr. Dennis Fischer was the next to be interviewed. He submitted a copy of a condensed resume which listed his qualifications. He said he has a carpentry background with building and remodeling since high school, and prior to college graduation he worked at a limestone quarry in maintenance and took care of equipment and things in the plant. He said he had supervision as a mill operator. He noted that held built homes with his relatives and did bricklaying and masonry work, electrical wiring, roofing, and painting. He said he worked as a self-employed carpenter for about three years and in 1973 he had full time employment with Quincy Technical School in Quincy, Illinois. He said he did a lot of traveling for them and the school taught several trades and during that time he became proficient in these trade areas. -2- Council Special Meeting & Workshop Minutes December 15, 1983 o o Councilman Asting asked if he is related to the Port Orange ~1ayor and Mr. Fischer said he is not. Councilman Asting asked how long held been in Florida and Mr. Fischer said it was approximately nine months. Councilman Asting asked his present employer and Mr. Fischer said he1s a chemical distributor-salesman with PAR Distributors out of Port Orange. Councilman Asting asked if it's necessary to pour a footing if they're going to construct a residence on a slab and Mr. Fischer said yes. Councilman Asting asked if he's familiar with building codes and Mr. Fischer said basically he is but he hasn't taken the test on the electrical area but he's come in contact with it. Councilman Asting asked that he name the inspections on a residence. Mr. Fischer said beginning would be foundation area, frame for dimensions of the building, studding rough in, roof, wiring and plumbing rough in. Councilman Asting asked about final inspections and Mr. Fischer said it would be trim, socket covers and things of that nature, mostly electrical and general appearance. Councilman Asting noted that held be in contact with contractors and he might be asked to overlook something and asked how held respond to that. Mr. Fischer said he would follow the Code and if he were asked to bypass something held make a note of it and not act on it but then would contact his supervisor to report if the severity was that much. Councilman Asting noted that the Building Official would also be the code enforcement officer and would have to take action if he saw a violation, such as going to the code enforcement board. Mr. Fischer said held be agreeable to doing that. Mr. Fischer said before moving to Florida he was a candidate as a building coordinator and official for Quincy which has about 65,000 people and he was the second to be selected. He said this was for new construction to check the electrical and plumbing codes are correct, plus maintaining some kind of order in existing structures such as deterioration. Councilman Asting asked if he is a member of the Building Officials Association and Mr. Fischer said no. Councilman Wargo asked if his teaching experience was in a trade school and Mr. Fischer said it's listed as a national trade school and is privately owned and fully accredited. He said he was an administrator and filled in as an instructor and had to be competent to answer questions and spent time in the programs. He said he participated in welding, diesel auto mechanics, refrigeration and heating, electrical wiring, drafting and layout work, and schematics. Councilman Asting asked if they could use aluminum wiring in construction and Mr. Fischer said no because it's a poor conductor of electricity. Councilman Asting asked if aluminum was used, would it be the same AWG as copper. Mr. Fischer said held have to find out what the situation would be. Councilman Asting asked if held go for a heavier aluminum gauge in comparison to copper and Mr. Fischer said not without going to a reference. Mayor Ledbetter asked if the specification was for 14 gauge aluminum, wou~ he use the same thing in copper and Mr. Fischer said if the Code said it would be the equivalency. Councilman Spencer asked where held look for a source to know what is permissible and Mr. Fischer said held use the National Electrical Code Book. Mayor Ledbetter noted that if the Code calls for #6 copper yould use #2 aluminum. Councilman Asting said there have been some fires which were caused by the use of alumi- num wiring and Councilman Spencer noted that itls not generally used in inside resi- dential wiring. Mayor Ledbetter commented that they're using a lot in houses, and there was a general discussion regarding the use of aluminum wiring. Councilman Spencer noted that the construction in this area is a lot different from the north and there are different requirements for tying down roof trusses and things of that nature and held need to become familiar with that. He asked Mr. Fischer what could be done to eliminate the seriousness of lightning strikes in a house. Mr. Fischer replied they could use ground arrestors which are normally installed with a copper rod a number of feet from the house and internally for major appliances voltage surge adapters can be put in the box. Councilman Spencer said they have a considerable amount of construction and it has been running about $2,000,000. a month and this position will take a very energetic individual and one who is organized with paperwork kept in an orderly fashion. Mr. Fischer said paperwork is in his background but he likes being outside and his experience with the trade school involved a lot of paperwork. and he's familiar with forms so that wouldn't be a problem. -3- Council Special Meeting & Workshop Minutes December 15, 1983 Q o Councilman Spencer noted that the position would report to the City Clerk but the work has to be carried out by the individual and held have to become familiar with all aspects of the job including the City ordinances that pertain to it and held have to become certified by the Southern Building Congress. Mr. Fischer said that was understood. Councilman Asting asked his salary expectations and Mr. Fischer said held be willing to negotiate but would like to receive as much as possible. Councilwoman Bennington asked him what held do first if appointed and he said organize and get settled as he was not familiar with the City and held get a listing of the contractors and meet them. He said held find the City's point of view and familiarize himself with the Code as quickly as he could. Councilman Bennington noted that in Edgewater building is the main industry and it's a tremendous responsibility. Mayor Ledbetter noted that some will ask him to turn his head the other way and Mr. Fischer said he understood that and he couldn't be intimidated. Councilman Wargo said they were told that 90% of the contractors don't know the Code and Councilwoman Bennington noted that they're used to taking short cuts. Councilman Asting stated that some take out site plans and then want to change the plans without letting anyone know. Councilman Spencer noted that they have a part-time City engineer who helps with site plans except single family dwellings. Mr. Fischer noted that he has no background with high rises, only with single family dwellings and Councilwoman Bennington advised we have no high rises in Edgewater. Mr. Fischer said he is always hoping to learn. Councilwoman Bennington and Mayor Ledbetter thanked him for coming. Mr. J. T. O'Donnell was the third applicant to the interviewed. Councilman Asting advised him that as Building Official held be a code enforcement officer and asked if he was familiar with that. Mr. O'Donnell said he's not familiar with Floridals State Code as his work was with the Government for 25 years as an inspector. He said he went by the minimum FHA Standards. Councilman Asting asked him if he is familiar with the Standard Building Code and Mr. O'Donnell said not in the State of Florida as hels only been here for six months, He said the Government made their own specifications and drawings and they enforced the OSHA requlations on the job. . Councilman Spencer asked the type of inspections held done and Mr. O'Donnell said it was a variety of buildings in different parts of the world and they did residential construction on the bases of Air Force and Naval installations. Mayor Ledbetter asked if his job was government construction inspections and Mr. OIDonnell said yes. Mayor Ledbetter asked if he's familiar with residential building and Mr. O'Donnell said they did housing projects, and had to go by fire codes and electrical codes which were standard, but they didn't have to go by City codes which were more lax than the Governmentls. Councilman Spencer asked if he had experience with masonry and wood frame construction and Mr. O'Donnell said yes, and plumbing. Councilman Spencer asked what the Govern- ment requirements are for electrical and Mr. O'Donnell said they go by the National Electrical Code. Councilman Spencer asked if there is any kind of protections put in for lightning surges. Mr. O'Donnell said not in the houses but with the new codes they have the overload protections, with grounding, etc. Councilman Spencer asked to what extent held been in supervisory charge of any con- struction or inspection work and Mr. O'Donnell said all the inspectors on a job were generally of the same rate and there was an engineer in charge of the inspectors. Councilman Spencer said they want to hire someone with great integrity because there will be some temptations and some contractors will ask that he overlooks something. He asked him how held handle that. Mr. O'Donnell said held be very annoyed and if it were not according to the Code, he wouldn't allow it. He noted that held had that happen on Government jobs also and if they wanted to make a change in material or drawings, held have them put it in writing and submit it for approval or disapproval. -4- Council Special Meeting and Workshop Minutes December 15, 1983 o o . , Councilman Asting asked the inspections for a frame residence until completion and Mr. O'Donnell said held start at the excavation and foundation and underground plumbing orutilities and go to the slab, framing, roughing in and finished framing after com~ pleted with rough framing and plumbing and electrical. Mayor Ledbetter asked him what he'd do if he got a call for a rough in for electrical and it's covered up with sheet rock. Mr. O'Donnell said held make him take it down and he's had that happen before. Councilman Wargo asked if he wanted to be there when they put the water test on the plumbing and Mr. OIDonnell said yes. Councilman Asting asked him if copper pipe can be joined beneath the slab and Mr. O'Donnellsaid if they have joints, it could be silver soldered. Councilman Spencer said that building activity is very high at this time and it's quite a responsibility for the person to issue the permits and make the inspections plus a lot of paperwork. He asked him if he'd done record keeping. Mr. OIDonnell said he handled everything with the contractors from approval of payments and daily records to omissions. Mayor Ledbetter thanked Mr. O'Donnell for coming for the interview. Mr. Robert Born, Sr. was the fourth to be interviewed. Councilman Asting asked him if he's a member of the Building Officials Association and Mr. Born said no but he was in Illinois for some time but he retired at age 37 from the building business and did some undercover work for Riviera Beach. Councilman Asting asked how long he's been in Florida and Mr. Born said 17 years. He said held set up Bradenton Beach and. raised electrical codes, fire codes and zoning codes for DER and DNR. . Councilman Asting noted that the Building Official would be the code enf9rcement officer and violations of the code would be taken to the Code Enforcement Board for their action. Mr. Born said he was familiar with how that's done. Councilman Asting said he'd be making inspections of construction in the various step~ and would be exposed to temptations from contractors who'd want him to look'the other way. Mr. Borwn said IIno wayll because he had no particular aversion to builders having problems but he did have one to bribery. Councilman Asting asked him what he'd do if a builder had done some work that's not quite satisfactory. Mr. Born said held ask him to recommend how to put it in order or held put a red code on the job. Councilman Asting noted that theyld had problems with site plans being approved for one type of construction and without informing any agency, the contractor or.develooer does a different type. Mr.Born ~.~ that's an automatic stop work order. He noted that he'd worked on a DNR building in Bradenton Beach. Councilman Asting asked that he review the steps for inspections for a frame residence. Mr. Born said held check the tree ordinance and compaction, footer, plumbing, and electrical, heating under the floor or any duct work under the floor, then the rough . carpentry and roof and rafter set up and then roofing and interim electrical before dry wall. He added that after dry wall, he makes a punch list with the contractor before the certificate of occupancy is issued and then sidewalks and driveways. Councilman Asting asked who issues a c/o and Mr. Born said in most instances it's the building inspector if he's made the inspection and all the punch list is correct and if not, the Council has to approve it. Councilman Asting asked where he lives now and Mr. Born said itls on the ocean about 110 miles from Edgewater and held relocate. He said he has a son in Rockledge. . Councilman Wargo asked what his principal trade is and Mr. Born said hels a builder in all trades. Councilman Asting noted that if he's appointed he wouldnlt be able to engage in other contractual work and Mr. Born said he agreed with that as he's 52 years old now. Councilman Asting added that he'd have to avoid contacts that would reflect a conflict of interest. Mr. Born said his wife is in the ceramic business now and they're hoping to open a pet motel and pet cemetery and will be associated with that.but it's non-conflicting with construction. Councilman Wargo asked his salary requirements and Mr. Born said held discussed it with the City Clerk and was told it would be about $15,000. to $16,000. and that would be adequate for him with his other investments. . -5- Council Special Meeting and Workshop Minutes December 15, 1983 ~ o Councilman Wargo noted that some people are trying to eliminate return air to each room with air conditioning and heating, and Mr. Born said that depends on a track path and if there is a dead area. Councilman Wargo asked if he's familiar with the National Association of Sheet Metal Workers and Mr. Born said in regards to heat exchangers and he knows held have to work closely with a a Fire Marshall. Councilman Wargo asked if fire dampers are the responsibility of the City and Mr. Born said if they're grand- fathered in but the National Health and Safety Code requires that any existing codes should be corrected. He spoke on the fire damper laws. Councilman Wargo asked him about fire walls between condominiums and Mr. Born said fire stops are too numerous to mention but there should be a fire stop and a sound barrier. Councilman Wargo asked if OSHA covers that and Mr. Born said only in commercial and industrial. Councilman Spencer said that within a year he'd have to become certified by the Building Officials Association in Florida. Mr. Born noted that his Illinois license is not reciprocal with Florida and he's getting a list of the testings. Councilman Spencer noted that Edgewater has about 1.8 million in building a month and it's a very busy job for an energetic person and it involves field work doing inspections and office work preparing fees, handling applications, and answering the phone. There was a discussion regarding his previous experience with high rises, and Councilman Spencer noted that most of the construction here is residential and one of their concerns is electrical inspections. Councilman Spencer asked him what is required for protection of people regarding safety features and Mr. Born said bathroorrs and kitch~ have resets and there's wiring requirements for the dining areas. He noted that you'd have to look at the load situation in the building itls being put into. Mr. Born said the most important thing for a Building Inspector is to maintain decorum and have a good relationship with contractors, so the problems are brought to light and not hidden and the City should be willing to work with the contractor to solve those problems. He said a contractor should have some input in a zoning meeting. Councilman Spencer noted that Council and the advisory boards are willing to listen and would welcome suggestions. Mr. Born said they sometimes run into situations but there's a City Attorney who can advise them and the Code is superseded by the Council. Councilwoman Bennington asked him the difference between a Building Inspector and a Building Official. Mr. Born said a Building Official can draw a conclusion and the Building Inspector can only checkwhat's in the permit. He said the code enforcement office can be sub-divided when they get to about 36,000 people. Councilwoman Bennington asked if he felt he could handle all the code enforcement plus the inspections and Mr. Born said there's a good logistics to enforce and he sees no problem with it. He added that he likes a small community. Councilman Asting asked when held be able to start if he were appointed and Mr. Born said he's being held up by DNR and DER on another project so held be immediately available. Councilman Spencer asked what he'd do about his other job and Mr. Born said he's trying to get away from it. He added that he was a vice-president of the Humane Society and is looking into the area of a pet cemetery and that would be his only involvement. He said he wanted to be involved with paperwork of construction but doesn't want to get involved with politics. Mr. Born said it would cost him about $500. to relocate and he'd rent until he buys and he's satisfied with the price -range and feels he has met with an intelligent Council and Mayor. Councilman Asting said if he's appointed held be on a probationary status of 60 to 90 days. Mr. Born said he wouldn't make permanent residence until after that time. Council members thanked him for coming for the interview. Mr. Richard Bowman was the last applicant to be interviewed. Councilman Asting asked him if he's a member of the Florida Building Officials Association and Mr. Bowman said no. Councilman Asting stated that if he's appointed held also be the code enforcement officer and would have to handle violations of the Code and bring them to the attention of the violator and if not corrected, the Code Enforcement Board. Mr. Bowman said he1s familiar with that. Mr. Bowman said he's from Connecticut but has lived in the Jacksonville area for 30 years. Councilman Asting asked if he's familiar with the Standard Building Code and Mr. Bowman said yes. Councilman Asting asked the various steps of inspections on a residence. Mr. Bowman said footing, slab, frame in and final inspection. Councilman Asting asked about rough plumbing and finished plumbing and electrical. Mr. Bowman said he didn't know that held be expected to do that. Mayor Ledbetter said this is a combination of all the areas. Mr. Bowman said he was a builder for 10 years and was in construction and selling for 25 years. -6- Council Special Meeting and Workshop Minutes December 15, 1983 o o Councilwoman Bennington asked if he'd read the job description and he said no. Councilwoman Bennington asked the difference between a Building Official and a Building Inspector. Mr. Bowman said a Building Official will follow the procedures that the City requires along with the Codes adopted. Councilman Spencer noted that the Building Department here is just one person. Councilman Wargo asked him what salary he had in mind and Mr. Bowman said with the State he made $27,000, but doesn't expect that here but can't get too low. Mayor Ledbetter asked him what figure he had in mind as a decent starting salary and Mr Bowman said about $20,000. to start. He added that he'd checked prices on utilities and groceries in the area and they're about the same. Councilman Wargo noted that the homes are cheaper. Mr. Bowman said he was a Chief over elevator inspections in Tallahassee but it was a career position which was later changed to an appointed position and he felt he had no job security. He said he resigned because a new director gave him total responsi- bility which he didn't want. Councilman Spencer said there's quite a bit of construction going on and it's mostly residential with no high rise buildings or apartments. Mr. Bowman said he was with HUD in Jacksonville and was inspector for Farmers Home Administration. Councilman Spencer asked what is required in electrical residential wiring to protect from accidental shock and Mr. Bowman said grounding faults. He said he assumed the City had codes prepared besides the Standard Building Code and he knew it would be a learning process. Councilman Spencer asked what could be done to protect from lightning and Mr. Bowman said it's at the meter where the ground is connected to the meter. He added that he's not strong on electrical. Councilman Spencer noted that they have lightning surge protectors and they don't expect the Building Official to be an electrical engineer but the wiring has to be installed in such a way as to be safe. Mr. Bowman said he thought he could handle that end of it. Councilman Asting said that past Building Officials were not aware of violations of site plans that were approved by the Planning Commission which were changed to something else, and asked him what he'd do about this. Mr. Bowman asked if would approve plans and Councilman Asting said the permits that he'd issue should comply with the plan. Mr. Bowman said then he'd stop them and added that he can enforce only as strong as they're willing to back him. Councilwoman Bennington noted that they're having trouble finding a Building Official to enforce as strong as they'd like. Councilman Asting said he'd need to be aware that he's changing construction from the permit and Mr. Bowman said he'd be going against zoning and planning, and it appears that the coordination seems to be off between the Planning and the Official. Councilman Asting said when the permit is applied for he should check to see it complies with the site plan and zoning. Mr. Bowman asked if there's an established procedure and Councilwoman Bennington said they have a contracted position now on an interim basis and there's no set policy but they're trying to establish a Building Department. Mr. Bowman noted that he was responsible for a procedure manual for the State and he takes a job seriously but doesn't want to take work home. Councilman Asting said as Building Official he may be tempted by a contractor and the Council would frown on that severely. Mr. Bowman said he's never in his career been approached or approached anyone in this regard. Councilman Wargo noted that there are sometimes subtle ways. Mr. Bowman said he's not a greedy person and likes to sleep nights. Mr. Bowman said it would take some time to know what they're looking for and asked if held have the discretion to make a decision. Councilwoman Bennington said held be working with the City Clerk as his immediate supervisor. Mr. Bowman said that was a good arrangement and if there's a drastic decision to be made and he didn't approve something and the Council then overrode his decision, would that be in writing. Council- man Wargo said all decisions would be a matter of record. Councilwoman Bennington added that as long as he had logical and good backup for the decision and the concurrence of the City Clerk, the Council would back him up. Mr. Bowman said he wouldn't make decisions unless there's no procedure for it and asked how strong he could be because the Council would have to take the heat. Council members said they were aware of that. -7- Council Special Meeting and Workshop Minutes December 15, 1983 o o Councilman Spencer noted that Council wants better enforcement of the Codes and Councilwoman Bennington said they aren't unreasonable. Councilman Spencer added that there was some laxity in the past in the inspections of some buildings and they want to be reasonable if there is a situation where the ordinances are incorrect or need to be modified. Councilman Spencer said that on a day to day basis he would do the inspections and work with the contractors and make some decisions. Mr. Bowman said he wouldn't make any decisions until talking with the City Clerk until he was familiar with the job. Councilman Asting noted that he wouldn't need to go to the City Clerk for something in the ordinances or the Standard Building Code. Mr. Bowman said if something is wrong, he could stop it there and asked how plans could be changed. There was a discussion about the various ways they could make these changes. Mr. Bowman asked if the permits are immediate and Councilman Wargo said no, the site plan goes to the Planning Commission and he gets a copy. Mayor Ledbetter spoke on the rock fence across from City Hall that was approved and then had to be stopped. Mr. Bowman asked if this is a career position and Councilman Asting said the appoint- ment would be on a probationary status of 60 to 90 days. Mr. Bowman said he understood that. Councilman Asting thanked him for coming to the interview. Council members named those they wanted considered. Councilman Asting named Mr. O'Donnell and Mr. Bowman as first choices but felt Mr. Bowman's salary requirements were too high. He also rated Mr. Fischer as second and Mr. Born as third choice. He noted that Mr. Eubank was a good candidate also. Councilwoman Bennington named Mr. Fischer and Mr. Born. Mayor Ledbetter named Mr. Fischer and Mr. Eubank. Councilman Wargo named Mr. Fischer, Mr. Born and Mr. Bowman. Councilman Spencer named Mr. Born, Mr. Fischer, and Mr. Bowman. There was a discussion of salary and it was agreed that $15,080. would be the starting salary. Since Mr. Fischer was the only candidate named by all Council members, Councilman Asting suggested contacting him by telephone to see if he'd accept that salary. Councilman Spencer moved that the Workshop be closed and the Special Meeting be re-convened. Councilwoman Bennington seconded the motion. Motion CARRIED 5-0. Mayor Ledbetter called the Special Meeting back to order. Councilman Wargo moved to select Mr. Fischer as first choice at a salary of $15,080., then withdrew his motion. Councilman Wargo then re-stated the motion that they offer the salary of $15,080. to Dennis Fischer. Councilman Spencer seconded the motion. Motion CARRIED 5-0. Councilman Asting moved that if Dennis Fischer is not willing to accept the salary offered that Mr. Born be offered the position of Building Official at the same salary. Councilman Spencer seconded the motion. Councilwoman Bennington asked if this is the starting salary with a raise after probation. Councilman Wargo said he felt they'd agreed to that. Councilwoman Bennington asked that when contacted he be told that it might be raised. Motion CARRIED 5-0. Councilwoman Bennington noted that they would need him to start on December 27th and she moved that the job is to start on or about December 27, 1983. Councilman Wargo seconded the motion. Motion CARRIED 5-0. City Clerk Kinsey asked Council's feelings about the person employed currently as the Building Official's secretary who was an employee of Mr. Coppock's. She noted that there was money budgeted for that position. Councilman Asting said if she's qualified she could stay. Councilman Asting moved to adjourn the meeting. Councilman Wargo seconded the motion. Meeting was adjourned at 12:20 PM. Lura Sue Koser ~ :l((l' q~ C7 Minutes submitted by: ATTEST: ~-<~ CITY CLERK " Approved, this 9~: day of r' ---- -8- Council Special Meeting and Workshop Minutes December 15, 1983