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CITY COUNCIL OF EDGEWATER
REGULAR MEETING
APRIL 2, 1984
MINUTES
Vice Mayor Gigi Bennington called the meeting to order at 7:00PM in the Community Center.
ROLL CALL
Mayor David Ledbetter
Councilman Melbourne Wargo
Vice Mayor Gigi Bennington
Councilman Neil Asting
There was a silent invocation
Excused
Present
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and the salute to
Councilman Jack Spencer
City Attorney Josel Alvarez
City Clerk Connie Kinsey
Police Chief Ed Overman
the flag.
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APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Regular Meeting of March 19, 1984 - Councilman Spencer moved that the minutes of the
regular meeting of March 19th be approved. Councilman Asting seconded the motion.
Motion CARRIED 4-0.
Special Meeting & Workshop of March 22, 1984 - Councilman Asting moved that the minutes
be adopted for March 22nd. Councilman Spencer seconded the motion. Motion CARRIED 4-0.
BILLS AND ACCOUNTS
Councilman Spencer questioned page 2, to Miami Herald Publishing and City Clerk Kinsey
noted it was for the advertisement for the Police Chiefls position. Councilman Spencer
moved that the Council approve the bills and accounts. Councilman Asting seconded the
motion. Motion CARRIED 4-0.
MISCELLANEOUS
Robert H. Christy, 1916 Evergreen Drive, asked if the report from Tallahassee about the
Police Chief had been displayed in the Community Center or the Library. City Attorney
Alvarez said it's a matter of possible litigation and the question should be referred to
his office. Mr. Christy then asked if the City went out for bids to get the report,
and asked who chose the people in Tallahassee to do the report. City Attorney Alvarez
again stated this is a matter of possible litigation. Mr. Christy asked if the sewer
plant is operating at full capacity as he read an article in the newspaper about the
type of sewer pump that would be used. Vice Mayor Bennington said the Council had a
meeting to discuss a grant application for several items and the low pressure sewer
system was one of those. Mr. Christy asked if the item will be presented to the voters
and Vice Mayor Bennington said it will be when it comes time to finance it.
William Glaser, 1703 Needle Palm Drive, spoke about the dust on his street and the
heavy traffic and said they've had to put up with this for 10 years now. He noted
that they presented a petition to pave the road and get the trucks off the street and
they got the truck traffic sign but now it isn't enforced. Vice Mayor Benninton advised
him that the City Clerk/Administrator would work with the Public Works Superintendent
and the Police Chief in an effort to solve this problem.
Walter Gross, 909 Lake Avenue, said the sewer they applied for with the grant involves
the City's getting a bond issue at 10 to 12% interest and people who already have
septic tanks have to pay to get this installed. He added that the City is already
paying for two bond issues, and held like the public to know the full story on this.
John Siburn, Connecticut Avenue, said they used calcium chloride for dust on the road
or spread used oil. He asked about the shorter streets that are not getting paved and
Mango Tree Drive is getting paved. Vice Mayor Bennington pointed out that the Superin-
tendent of Public Works is submitting a list of priorities on the streets and the
estimated cost so the next budget can provide for this. She added that the Community
Development Block Grant is also paving some streets.
Helen Siburn, from the audience, asked where the $17,000. went and said the City is
talking about annexing more people into the City and those already here aren1t getting
anything done. She added that the garbage is still not picked up regularly on their
street.
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Alice Pratt, 1921 Kumquat Drive, said she wrote to Council about their street which
badly needs paved, and the street was ruined by City trucks. Vice Mayor Bennington
agreed the road is in bad shape.
COUNCIL/OFFICERS REPORTS, BOARDS AND COMMITTEES
City Council Reports - Councilman Spencer submitted a list of the top five consulting
engineers proposals and said in order of ranking they were Camp, Dresser and McKee,Inc.;
Dyer, Riddle, Mills & Precourt; Blount, Sikes, Bouch & Rockett, Inc/Marshall Engineering;
Conklin, Porter and Holmes; and Boyle Engineering Corporation. He suggested the City
Clerk set a date with Council and invite those five firms to make oral oresentations
for Council consideration and then Council will ~ick the firm they decide is best suited
and the second and third preference, and then they'll call the first choice back in
andnegotiate on terms and conditions and price. He added that the review committee did
not visit the office locations of these firms to determine the extent of their facilities
for drafting, computing, etc. He pointed out that all five firms are located in Orlando,
Winter Park, or Sanford. Vice Mayor Bennington said a day can be set by the City Clerk
to interview these five. City Clerk Kinsey questioned if the committee should inspect
the facilities and Vice Mayor Bennington said she didn't think it's necessary.
Councilman Spencer noted that the new motor grader is in use and they're getting the
work done faster and better than before and it's an asset to the City.
Councilman Spencer said he attended a Technical Coordinating Committee meeting and gave
a copy of his report to Council. He noted that there was a discussion at the meeting
regarding bikeways and he's since received additional information from Florida Depart-
ment of Transportation which he'll turn over to Dave Garrett when he's had a chance to
review it.
Councilman Asting asked Councilman Spencer if all the engineering firms are capable of
performing all engineering services for the City or if they specialize. Councilman
Spencer noted that the advertisement was for the field of water and wastewater facilities
but some are competent in other areas also. Councilman Asting pointed out that they
need to look at road paving and other projects, and he wanted a firm located closer so
they don't have to pay so much for portal to portal. Vice Mayor Bennington said that's
an item they can negotiate on. Councilman Spencer noted they took that into consider-
ation and only considered those within 75 miles.
Councilman Asting asked about the l~ sales tax on gasoline from the County and if it
had been received. City Clerk Kinsey said that's the money they budgeted for road
materials. Councilman Asting asked how much has been received to date and City Clerk
Kinsey said she didn't have the breakdown but would give him the information the next
morning.
City Attorney Reports - The City Attorney had no report for this meeting.
City Clerk Reports - City Clerk Kinsey stated that Frank Marshall had been working
on a project with Pelican Cove West and it will be an additional expense to start
over and review the plans and asked if these should be sent to Briley, Wild or have
Frank Marshall complete the project. She said she talked to Frank Marshall, who was
agreeable to complete this, and he estimated 5 to 10 hours to complete it. Vice Mayor
Bennington noted that this former contract said by mutual agreement he would continue.
Councilman Wargo moved that Frank Marshall complete the job. Councilman Spencer
seconded the motion. Motion CARRIED 4-0.
City Clerk Kinsey said the Volusia League of Municipalities meeting is April 26th in
Deland and she needs Council authorization to process a check for those that will be
going. Councilman Wargo moved that they grant the authorization. Councilman Spencer
seconded the motion. Motion CARRIED 4-0.
City Clerk Kinsey said she received the deed from Volusia County on the two half-lots
in Florida Shores and needed Council authorization for the City Attorney to review
them and if they're okay, record them and pay the assessments. Councilman Spencer
moved that the City Clerk turn the deeds over to the City Attorney to make sure they
are okay and then pay the assessment fee. Councilman Wargo seconded the motion.
Motion CARRIED 4-0.
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COUNCIL/OFFICERS REPORTS, BOARDS AND COMMITTEES (Continued)
Utilities Dept. - Recommendation on lift station rehabilitation bid - City Clerk
Kinsey read the two letters from Briley, Wild dated March 27, 1984. The first letter
recommended the low bidder, Sieg & Ambachtsheer, Inc., be awarded the contract. The
second letter advised that this amount can come out of the Impact Fee Fund. Councilman
Spencer said in view of the recommendations from Briley, Wild, he moved that they accept
the low bid of Sieg & Ambachtsheer, Inc., of $89,825. Councilman Wargo seconded the
motion. Motion CARRIED 4-0.
Police Department - Rules and Regulations Manual Proposed - City Clerk Kinsey read the
March 28th letter from Police Chief Ed Overman. Councilman Astin~ asked if this is a
draft or the final form and Chief Overman said it would be the final if Council approves.
Councilman Spencer asked City Clerk Kinsey if sheld had a chance to review it and she
said no. Councilman Spencer said it appeared to him to be fine and held talked to
Chief Overman about it, but since therels a guide for employees, this should be reviewed
by the City Clerk to be sure there are no conflicts. Councilman Asting asked if this
was prepared by City forces and Chief Overman said he prepared it and the records clerk
typed it. Councilman Wargo said he felt it was very well prepared. Vice Mayor Bennington
said she had no problems with it but would like the City Clerk to review it. Councilman
Spencer moved that Council give it Council approval subject to the City Clerk reviewing
it and okaying there's no conflict. Chief Overman noted that if there is any conflict,
itls a little more stringent. Councilman Asting seconded the motion. City Attorney asked
Chief Overman about off-duty weapons and use of force. There was a discussion between
Council members and the City Attorney and the Police Chief regarding limitations on
handguns. Motion CARRIED 4-0.
Police Department - Request for forfeiture of money - Vice Mayor Bennington noted that
this hasn't been done before and Chief Overman said it was attempted once but the cost
factor made it unattractive. City Clerk Kinsey read the March 28th memo from Chief
Overman requesting a hearing for the $1,481.00 in cash that was obtained in an arrest
in September, 1983. Councilman Spencer moved that Council refer the matter to the City
Attorney to hold the necessary hearings so that the funds of $1,481.99 can be forfeited
to the City and put in the account as the Chief indicated. Councilman Asting seconded
the motion. Motion CARRIED 4-0.
Police Department - Procedure for Screening Police Chief applications - Councilman
Asting said the applications should be made available in City Hall and each Council
member should go in and screen them and select those that he wants to have considered.
He suggested limiting the number each Council member can select, possibly ten.
Councilman Spencer said that Chief Liquori offered assistance to the City and he
contacted him for suggestions on how to handle the large number of applications. He
said in addition to Council reviewing these, some law enforcement professional should
screen them and suggested a committee of three people to do the initial screening, with
those three to be Chief Liquori, Councilman Asting as a representative of Council,
and the City Clerk/Administrator who is also the personnel officer. He proposed they
review all the applications and narrow it down to five and then interview those five
and get background checks of those five and select the top three for Council IS final
deliberation and selection.
Councilman Wargo said he doesn't want to give up his right to select from the entire
group. Vice Mayor Bennington noted that the Mayor is ill and she suggested postponing
the procedure until he can go over it with them. Councilman Spencer said they don't
have another meeting scheduled before the closing date and he'd like to get some action
on this. Vice Mayor Bennington stated they can call a special meeting after the closing
date.
Parks and Recreation Department - Recommendation on bid for park & pier construction
City Clerk Kinsey read the March 28th memo from Dave Garrett which recommended the
Halifax Marine bid in the amount of $11,450.00 be accepted. City Clerk Kinsey noted
that Mr. Garrett had contacted Dan OIBrien of the Port Authority and held said we
could schedule additional items on this project since this bid was lower than expected,
and the project could be moved ahead. Councilman Spencer moved that the City Council
accept the bid of Halifax Marine in the amount of $11,450.00. Councilman Asting
seconded the motion. Motion CARRIED 4-0.
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COUNCIL/OFFICERS REPORTS, BOARDS AND COMMITTEES (Continued)-
Parks & Recreation Dept.-Recommendation on bid for park & pier construction(cont'd)
Councilman Spencer noted that there is some $22,000.00 available this year to the City
on that grant and he moved that Dave Garrett be instructed to get cost estimates on
drawings for the next phase, which is the repair to the seawall, so they can see if
they can proceed to advertise for that and get it going this year instead of waiting
for next year. Councilman Wargo seconded the motion. Motion CARRIED 4-0.
City Attorney Alvarez advised the City Clerk to meet with David Garrett to review
the agreement since there's a provision as to bids and other agreements, and the
coordinator in Tallahassee would need to be made aware of this.
Parks & Recreation Dept.-Reauest for approval of Menard Park final site plans -
Councilman Spencer stated that these are the site plans that were filed when they
applied for the grant and Council is being asked if these are the plans they want to
have drawn up by an architect. Vice Mayor Bennington asked if these are the original
plans. City Clerk Kinsey said there were some minor changes. Councilman Spencer
pointed out that the fishing pier was changed to extend out instead of straight ahead.
Councilman Asting asked about citizens using the beach at Menard and if there's a life-
guard on duty when the beach is in use. City Clerk Kinsey said there is no lifeguard.
Councilman Wargo asked if lifeguards are furnished by the County and Vice Mayor
Bennington said that's for the beaches, and she suggested the City Clerk contact the
County to see if that would be available to us. Councilman Asting said they could be
liable if they don't offer lifeguard protection if someone drowns. Councilman Wargo
noted that people swim over to the opposite islands and use floats and there should be
some kind of limitation there and a lifeguard to enforce it. Vice Mayor Bennington
asked the City Clerk to report back to Council on this. City Attorney Alvarez pointed
out that the insurance carrier had asked Risk Management to visit the City and this
item should be brought to their attention, and this should be made a part of the
agreement with the carrier. He asked if this is a beach that would be open for swimming.
Vice Mayor Bennington noted that the plans don't call it a beach, it's a park and fishing
pier. Councilman Asting said it's City-owned and people go swimming there. City
Attorney Alvarez said if they call it a beach and allow swimming, they have to provide
safety regulations, and if not, they swim at their own risk.
John Siburn, Connecticut Avenue, called a point of information, and asked City Attorney
Alvarez about the 3-foot height restriction on Menard Park. City Attorney Alvarez
said the decision was made to seek a judgement but there has to bea case and nobody
has come fO~/ard yet. He said there's a case in the 5th District Court of Appeals that
says deed restrictions on private deed do not apply to any govermental agencies.
Walter Gross, from the audience, said the City pays $19,000..00 for beach safety to
the County and the Council should look into this.
John Wilkinson, from the audience, asked if any further site plans had been developed
with the changes that were available to the public. Vice Mayor Bennington noted that
they're looking at the original site plans and permission is requested to get the
architectural drawings based on the site plans.
Councilman Spencer moved that the site plans as submitted be approved by the Council.
Vice Mayor Bennington passed the gavel to Acting Mayor Asting and seconded the motion.
Councilman Wargo called a point of order and questioned the right to pass the gavel
to the Acting Mayor as that is only in the absence of the Vice-Mayor. Councilman
Spencer asked the City Attorney if there's a problem with that and City Attorney Alvarez
said the Acting Mayor is not acting for the Mayor or Vice-Mayor, it's only procedural.
Vice Mayor Bennington said she wouldn't pass the gavel and withdrew her second until
it's straightened out. Motion then DIED for lack of second.
Councilman Spencer asked if Council opposed the proceeding with Menard Park. Councilman
Wargo said they should wait for full Council to make that decision. Councilman Spencer
pointed out that it only takes three Council members to make a quorum. Councilman
Wargo moved that they TABLE this. Councilman Asting seconded the motion. Motion
CARRIED 3-1. Councilman Spencer voted NO.
Request for authorization to advertise for bids for architectural drawings on Menard
Park facilities - This item was not acted upon since the previous item, 'Request for
approval of Menard Park final site plans' did not receive approval.
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COUNCIL/OFFICERS REPORTS, BOARDS AND COMMITTEES (Continued)
Parks & Recreation Board - Rewording of~laws - City Clerk Kinsey read the
March 19th memo from the Chairman of the Parks & Recreation Board which advised
their interpretation of the word "staffl! used in their proposed bylaws. Councilman
Wargo sa i d he sti 11 objects to thi s and the Board is advi sory and they have no
active duties except advisory and they shouldn't be directing the staff for anything
because that's why they have a Parks & Recreation Director. Councilman Asting said
he didn't feel they're directing the staff, and they just make recommendations and
the Council can approve or reject it.
Councilman Spencer said he thinks all they're asking for is to be able to ask questions
of the staff, if necessary, as long as the City Clerk okays it, and he doesn't feel
they're trying to run the City. Councilman Wargo said if that's all they're qoing to
do, they don't need it in the bylaws. Councilman Spencer said that's setting'up the
protocol for them to follow to get in touch with the City Clerk if they need help from
other dep~rtments. Councilman Wargo asked if the bylaws are part of the incorporated
group or Just the Parks and Recreation Board. City Clerk Kinsey noted that Parks &
Recreation is not incorporated, it's just advisory.
Councilman Asting moved that they adopt the bylaws of the Parks and Recreation Board
as written, subject to le9al okay. Councilman Spencer seconded the motion. Motion
CARRIED 3-1. Councilman Wargo voted NO.
Report of Ad Hoc Committee to update Comprehensive Plan -City Clerk Kinsey read the
March 19th memo from Don Bennington, Chairman of the Ad Hoc Committee, which requested
professional and legal advice to progress with their project. Councilman Spencer pointed
out that he had requested this report and he'd like Council to request the Committee to
determine more explicitly what their needs are so the Council can get a better idea of
what kind of professional help they need and what it might cost. Councilman Asting
noted that they'll need an engineer to work on this plan also. Councilman Wargo said
it's an open-end request and the Council needs to know exactly what they want and
expect and how much it will cost. and he asked if there's any money in that account.
City Clerk Kinsey noted that it'.s overdrawn on professional services now.
Councilman Asting moved that this be referred back to the Ad Hoc Committee for more
specific data on the type of professional help needed. Councilman Spencer seconded
the motion. Motion CARRIED 4-0.
COMMUNICATIONS
Veterans of Foreign Wars - request for donation for Memorial Day flags for veterans'
raves - City Clerk Kinsey read the March 19th letter requesting a donation of
250.00 for flags. Councilman Asting moved that they grant the request for $250.00
for flags for veterans' graves for Memorial Day. Councilman Spencer seconded the
motion. Motion CARRIED 4-0.
Bennett & Davis re: Spanish Oaks Subdivision - City Clerk Kinsey read the February 3rd
letter to Terry Wadsworth and the February 22nd letter to Frank Marshall regarding
a request for water and sewer service to this subdivision. Councilman Wargo said this
is the fifth or sixth request of this nature in the past few months and they don't
have the well system or the water to extend services outside of the City to anybody
at this point. He added that they don't know if they can supply water to all the
people in town and these people should be made aware of this, but he'd like to do it
if they could.
Larry Bennett prepared a handout for Council and distributed copies. He noted that
this project has approval for on-site water facilities but they'd prefer City utilities
due to maintenance and operational problems of their own system. He said this will
be a mobile home community and the parcels will be deeded out. He said they have land
to donate for wellsites. Councilman Asting noted that the City needs wells to the
west and to the south. Mr. Wadsworth, Utilities Superintendent, said he hadn't looked
at the land on the site yet. Mr. Bennett said he talked to Briley, Wild before they
went to New Smyrna Beach and they want City facilities because DER is making it harder
to maintain and operate on-site water and sewer facilities and the cost is very
expensive. He noted that he was told by New Smyrna Beach that this project isn't in
their growth pattern and wouldn't provide service because it would be in conflict with
Edgewater.
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COMMUNICATIONS (Continued)
Bennett & Davis re: Spanish Oaks Subdivision (Cont'd)- Mr. Bennett stated that
. the water plant has available capacity of 481,000 gallons a day and the sewer plant
has avai1ab1e a capacity of 575,000 gallons a day, and the mobile home communities
don't use as much water as regular homes. He said the projected revenues for water
impact fees would be about $712,800. and for sewer would be about $852,000. and this
would be put in an escrow account for water and sewer expansions. He projected
that if the town continues to grow, they'll reach the available water plant capacity
in 5 years and sewer plant capacity in 6.5 years. He said their project will take
about three years to be 100% built out. He added that they would like to have the
services and to be annexed into the City some day.
Councilman Asting moved that Terry Wadsworth check into the feasibility and our
capability to provide the service that this gentleman has asked for and submit a
report to Council for the City's side of this, and the engineers. Motion DIED for
lack of second.
Councilman Wargo moved to TABLE this until they can study it more thoroughly.
Councilman Spencer pointed out that they have a lot of commitments within the City
limits and the developments that are being built and the City can't extend outside
the City limits before they accommodate the people in the City. He added that he
didn't think they should extend any service beyond the City limits until they have
an engineering firm and plans studied and reviewed and then go to the voters for
a referendum and show them some alternatives. Councilman Asting said he just wanted
the feasibility of it and felt the possibility of we11sites was attractive. Council-
man Spencer said there may be better we11sites at other locations. Vice Mayor
Bennington said she didn't feel there's enough information to take action. Councilman
Spencer seconded the motion to table. Motion CARRIED 4-0.
Vice Mayor Bennington suggested to Mr. Bennett that he get in touch with Terry
Wadsworth.
UNFINISHED BUSINESS
Offer of lot on Ocean Avenue adjacent to Sewer Plant - City Clerk Kinsey read the
March 28th memo from Terry Wadsworth which advised there were some funds left after
the rehabilitation of the lift station was bid and he felt it would be beneficial
to future expansion of the wastewater plant if the City wished to purchase this
land. Vice Mayor Bennington said she'd talked to Terry Wadsworth about this and
agreed it would be beneficial. Councilman Wargo moved to authorize the City C1erk/
Administrator to negotiate and bring back the results for them to act on. Councilman
Spencer seconded the motion. Motion CARRIED 4-0. City Attorney Alvarez advised
the City Clerk to negotiate within the Sunshine Law.
NEW BUSINESS
Opening of bids for backhoe-loader for Public Works Dept.(Re-advertised)- City Clerk
Kinsey read the certification of Bids as those received from Case Power & Equipment;
Moody & Sons, Inc.; Robinson Equipment Co. Inc.; Rozier Machinery Company; Superior
Tractor Co.; and Tampa Tractor Co. She said they had received one unmarked envelope
but when opened it contained no bid. She opened the envelopes and read the totals:
Case Power & Equipment - $27,900.; Moody & Sons, Inc.-no bid; Robinson Equipment Co.,
Inc. - one bid of $22,524. after trade, and an alternate bid of $21,506. after trade;
Rozier Machinery - $20,869. after trade; Superior Tractor Co. - no bid; and Tampa
Tractor Co.- no bid. Councilman Asting asked that she read the models for those that
were bid. City Clerk Kinsey stated that Case Power & Equipment bid on a Case; Robinson
bid on a Massey-Ferguson Model 50E and a Massey-Ferguson Model 50F, and Rozier bid
on a JCB Model 1550.
Councilman Spencer moved that the bids be referred to the City staff for evaluation
and recommendation to Council. Councilman Wargo seconded the motion. Motion CARRIED 4-0.
ADJOURN
Councilman Asting moved to adjourn the meeting. Councilman Spencer seconded the
motion. Meeting was adjourned at 8:48 P.M.
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