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CITY OF EDGEWATER
PLANNING & ZONING BOARD
WORKSHOP WITH CITY COUNCIL
MARCH 7, 1984
Minutes
Mayor David Ledbetter called the workshop to order at 8:00 P.M. in the
Communi ty Center. i.
ROLL CALL
Present included: Mayor David Ledbetter, Councilwoman Gigi Bennington,
Councilman Neil Asting, Councilman Jack Spencer, Councilman Melbourne
Wargo, City Clerk Connie Kinsey, Chairman Don Bennington, Vice-Chairman
Greg Stewart, Lyle Chenoweth, George Quaggin, Ann Thomas, secretary
Susan Mista, members of the press and various members of the audience.
City Attorney Jose Alvarez arrived at 8:15 P.M. Fred Finn and Jake
Wheeler of the Planning and Zoning Board were excused.
Mayor Ledbetter stated that this workshop was to discuss the feasibility
of annexing land to square off the City boundaries.
Councilman Asting advised that he was the one who asked for this meeting
because there are parts of the County property protruding into the City.
He further stated that there are some 38 acres of land that is owned by
New Smyrna Beach and he would like Council to consider squaring off the
boundaries and taking into the City the areas that protrude into the
City limits. Each of the Council members and Planning and Zoning Board
members were given a map of the City, outlined in red showing the pro-
posed boundary lines,if squared off. Chairman Don Bennington stated
that there was a man in the audience who is interested in annexing some
land into the City, on the river. Mayor Ledbetter stated if they square
off the limits on the south, why not go from Adams Road all the way to
the east to the river. That would square the City up into a square.
He said that Adams Road is south of the Cory Estates and if you cut in
on the east side and go all the way to the river, you would square it off.
Councilman Spencer said that there are other aspects to annexation, one
being the scarcity of industrial zoned land in the City. He feels it is
appropriate to consider annexation for industrial purposes. He also
stated that cities should play the role of providing municipal facilities,
as opposed to the County providing that. Also, Councilman Spencer said
they needed to know the legalities of voluntary and involuntary annexation
and the State statutes that apply. Mayor Ledbetter agreed that they
needed to know when they would be able to provide water and sewer facil-
ities to these locations, including fire and police protection.
Councilman Asting stated he was concerned that all the cities around
Edgewater are growing. Oak Hill is growing and the only way they can
go is north. He is concerned that one morning they will wake up and
find Oak Hill at Aerial Road and maybe farther north than Aerial Road,
which is supposed to be the southern boundary in accordance with the
Comprehensive Plan, if some action isn't taken concerning annexing some
of this property. Chairman Bennington stated the City may end up having
no control over what has been annexed n~xt to the boundary lines.
Councilwoman Bennington agreed, stating that Edgewater will also be
burdened with the problems that may result by this annexation. Chairman
Bennington said that there is presently a large cemetary and several
housing projects being constructed in the outlying areas around the City.
Mayor Ledbetter said that is why he suggested that everything on the
east side of the road being incorporated in this annexation.
Mr. Quaggin questioned whether or not they can annex propetty to the
wes t. Coun.tilman As ting stated they can go wes t, as far as to I - 95.
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Councilman Spencer stated that there were a lot of people in the audience
who were asked at the Council meeting Monday evening to attend this meet-
ing and he felt they should be entitled to say what they want to about
this subject. Mayor Ledbetter invited the people in the audience to
come up on the stage to offer their suggestions regarding this annexation.
The secretary, Mrs. Schmidt, and Vice-Chairman, Alva Stewart, of the
South Waterfront Park Home Owners Association introduced themselves to
the Board. Mrs. Schmidt explained that they are in need of water and
are requesting that the City of Edgewater extend the water lines down
to their Park to service them. She stated there are 256 homes in the
Park at the present time. No one governs them; they are a separate entity
in themselves. She thought that it would be better for them if someone
were to take hold of them, they don't know what to do or how to get
things accomplished, they do not have outside or inside strength. The
PSC wants to reduce the water rates. They presently pay $12.00 for
1500 gallons per month and 73~ for every hundred thereafter. It is not
potable water; they are buying their drinking water. They advised that
they are approximately three miles south of Roberts Road, north of Aerial
Road about a half mile.
Mr. Herbert Cooper from Indian Harbor Estates began talking to the Board,
stating that they are south of South Waterfront Park, presently under
County control. They have a special assessment district that was created
by petition for the County to build them a water plant, which they were
charged $350,000. These assessments amounted to $985.00 per customer.
Ninety percent of the debt is paid. The people were given the option of
paying cash or over a ten year period. They are now paying $25.00 for
2,000 gallons of water which they cannot drink, they have to buy their
drinking water and are sick and tired of this. Their properties are
being affected in value due to the water condition. Everyone is in the
same trouble. There are presently 176 people buying water from their
Park; there are 202 properties, some people own 2 or 3 lots; there are
402 lots; there are 202 families living on the grounds at the present
time. He further stated they have assets in the Park and with ten percent
more of the money paid to the County, the district can be closed out and
they will then own the water plant. They will own all the piping under-
ground, the automatic pumps, the pipe is very good, the best money can
buy. There is no pipe in the Park less than 4", most is 6 and 8" pipe.
They are willing to fund the expense for hooking them up to the City
water.
Mrs. Schmidt clarified that Mr. Cooper was speaking of Indian Harbor
Estates when he said they would fund this water hook-up, that did not
include South Waterfront Park.
Mr. Cooper said that possibly the City could use the expansion. The
water plant is on Aerial Road. Councilman Asting said that he under-
stands that our Comprehensive Plan calls for the ultimate expansion to
Aerial Road.
A man in the audience, who did not identify himself, stated that he was
interested in approximately 135 acres, part of it being contiguous to
the City; the property is presently under contract with one of the
conditions of the contract being that the property will be annexed into
the City of Edgewater, voluntary annexation. He further stated he was
not properly prepared to explain this project in detail at this time,
however, it is in the works. This property is at least 2~ miles north
of South Waterfront Park, on the east side of the highway. Mayor Led-
better said it includes the area he was talking about in squaring off
the boundary lines, from Adams Road - east to the river. Chairman Don
Bennington asked if Cory Estates has bad water, too. Mrs. Schmidt said,
yes.
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Councilman Asting said that it was his understanding that Palm Breeze
did not want to be annexed into the City. Mayor Ledbetter stated they
want all of the City's services and fire and police protection but they
do not want to be part of Edgewater.
The man in the audience speaking about the 135 acres stated that they
would be looking for City water. This will be a Park that will be sold
slowly, not all at one time; this will be developed over a 5 year period.
The property is on the east side of u.s. 1, some fronting on u.s. 1,
extending to the intra-coastal waterway. They are considering a very
high class manufactured home colony; a residential mobile home Park,
including a 9 hole executive golf course. There will be some 200 sites,
some will be sold, others rented. There will be approximately 4~ units
situated on each acre, approximately 600 units which will be extended
over a possible 6 year time period, this is their projection. This would
be a gradual increase, they would not be asking for water for 600 units
all at one time.
Mayor Ledbetter thanked the man for his presentation. Councilman Asting
said they should hear from Terry Wadsworth regarding the water situation.
He asked Terry to comment on the matter of extending the City's water
south. Mr. Wadsworth stated insofar as serving everyone here tonight
with the present plant capacity, it would be physically impossible.
Taking in just one of them would be possible, but you would be taking
the service away from the in-City construction. More realistically they
have a plant expansion that they will be doing in the next 12 months.
It is a consideration Council has to make because you will be taking
a number of building units away from property within the City limits.
Councilman Asting asked Terry if the plant expansion will be for the
units constructed in the City limits, only, or will the capacity exceed
the building in Edgewater. Terry stated, with the expansion, it will
not serve Florida Shores in a built-out state. It depends on many
variables, the needs, demands, number of people that have to be served,
line sizing, many variables that makes it difficult to comment on at
the moment. Councilman Spencer stated that the present situation and
the committments that exist within the City limits, we are not in a
position to serve surrounding territories. Terry advised that it could
be done to a limited extent. He said with everything he has heard
tonight, he was roughing it out and it would bring us up to full capacity
with the State allowance that is required for fire protection. This
does not include the expansion. The plant presently has the capacity of
1.5 million gallons. The expansion would increase the capacity to 2.2
to 2.3 million gallons if it was done minimally, on-site. The well
capacity is presently 1.8 and the expansion would include an additional
well. Terry said that the expansion includes the committment for the
FEC project and others that mayor may not be built out.
Councilman Asting asked Terry Wadsworth if he knew the estimated cost
for the proposed expansion. Terry advised that they have estimated costs,
in the amount of approximately $300,000, which includes the expansion
and drilling another well. Councilman Asting asked if that money is
available in the capital improvement fund. Terry stated there is only
approximately $200,000 in the water impact fund. Councilman Wargo
said that it is his understanding that the placement of the plant is
also important, from what Frank Marshall has said, concerning the costs.
Chairman Bennington questioned the water plant at the Park south of the
City. Terry said they would not want to use that plant, it would be
worthless to us.
Carson Norris asked to speak, stating he was from South Waterfront Park,
and it was his understanding that under Ordinance 400 you were allowed
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to go so far beyond the City limits. He said he thought the City was
trying to annex down to Cory Estates. Mayor Ledbetter said it was
Adams Road on the west side, across from Cory Estates. Mr. Norris
said if that were the case, it would make them less than 2 miles from
the water main. He asked if they couldn't come on down to them. Mayor
Ledbetter said it would depend on whether or not the City could supply
them with the water.
Mayor Ledbetter said Council can direct Mr. Wadsworth, the Superintendent
of the Water and Sewer plant to determine how much excess water he has
and make an estimate on what the line extension would run down through
there and what he would need and then get back with the people in the
audience later. Councilman Spencer stated that Terry says we are
committed to capacity now, nothing can be done immediately for these
people, it has to be looked at on a long range basis. Councilman Asting
said that Terry advised it would be at least 12 months from now before
the plant expansion program is completed. Councilman Wargo stated that
he felt that the area is growing so fast that it will eventually be the
County's responsibility to go into a water authority in order to keep
up with it.
Councilman Asting advised that as far as Edgewater is concerned it is a
case of money, putting in another well and expanding the present plant.
Terry Wadsworth stated that if the City is planning on annexing a large
portion of property to the south, it would be more feasible to put in
the larger size line that would accommodate more property, as opposed to
putting in only a 6" line to supply one trailer park and then bring in
another trailer park, and another one, etc. The size of line would depend
on the density requirements, the possible number of houses to be built,
the population, etc.
Councilwoman Gigi Bennington asked Terry Wadsworth if the City squared
off the boundary line to the south, as is indicated on the maps that
were provided, can the City handle the water service in all of this
area? Terry advised that they could handle:'.i t for "x" amout of time;
other areas in the City will be developed; Florida Shores will be devel-
oped; all an expansion will do is buy time for so many years down the
road. Councilwoman Bennington said that in other words, if we want
to aggressively annex, we will need a new water plant. Everyone agreed
that the City would need a new water plant. Councilwoman Bennington
suggested that if the City decides~they want to do a great deal of
annexation, why put the money into expansion of this water plant, why
not build a whole new water plant. Councilman Asting said that that
would cost a great deal of money. He learned that the present water
plant cost approximately $750,000 five years ago. He further stated
that the expansion will generate impact fees which will go into a fund
that will eventually build up to partially fund another water plant.
Councilwoman Bennington asked Mr. Alvarez to advise them of what legal
steps are involved in this annexation.
Mr. Alvarez began discussing this subject with first advising that
annexation is an action which lies purely with the legislature of
state. In quoting from the First District Court of Appeals, he read:
Annexation is the power reposing exclusively in the legislature the
vehicle utilized by the legislature to accomplish a municipal annexation
is by a sepcial act. However, the legislature has determined to share
the power to annex with municipal corporations by enacting Chapter 171
Florida Statutes, known as the Municipal Annexation or Contract Act.
The act provides that annexation by municipality is accomplished by
passage of a municipal ordinance utilizing the procedures set forth in
Chapter 171. Under this Chapter there are two ways to annex, voluntary
annexation and municipal annexation. All that is required under volun-
tary annexation is that the owner of the property files a petition for
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the annexation, Council then determines that the property is contiguous
and does not create an enclave and then an Ordinance is adopted and it
comes into the City. In regards to municipal annexation, it requires
a series of hearings, a feasibility study to provide for the services
needed by the new areas, and after this has been determined the City
can go ahead and annex, subject to a referendum and the voters of the
City as well as the ~oters of the areas to be annexed will vote in that
election and it requires a majority of the over-all votes - voters in
the city and the areas to be annexed. Voluntary annexation is more
p9pular and easier to use and does not require a referendum. The crucial
question is what is going to be the policy of the City. Regarding water,
it can create a problem and a hassle as to whether or not service can be
provided. You must be able to foresee the growth in relation to the
water supply. Regarding what is an enclave and what is contiguous, there
is an opinion from the Attorney General regarding an enclave, there is
a distinction on who enclaves on whom. Is the City creating an enclave
on the County or is the City, by annexing, creating a County property
enclave within the City limits. According to the Attorney General, if
we go out and create a bulge and create a City enclave in the County -
that is forbidden. But if we square up the boundary and the County
enclaves are within the City, then it is OK. Enclaves of County land
within the municipal territory is not prohibited. The County has adopted
a resolution, 8110, which states that the County, pertaining to municipal
annexation, does not object to the orderly expansion of municipal bound-
aries to provide needed municipal services to adjacent lands. The crucial
question here is what does the Council wish to do. If they decide it
would be good for the City to annex this property, then we will look at
the ramifications of what needs to be done. There are obviously people
who want to corne in, for obvious reasons.
Chairman Bennington stated that our City limits abut U.S. 1 on the west
side, if we go across U.S. 1 and take in property, is that abutting our
property or not? Mr. Alvarez said that those are the remedies that need
to be worked out as we go along, like the water situation. If you do not
have the water, what will it take to provide the water. Chairman
Bennington referred the attorney to the Fong property that has a petition
for voluntary annexation before the Planning and Zoning Board for their
property south of the City. Between the City property on the east side
of U.S. 1 and the Fong property is one street of residential property
that does not want to corne into the City. But their property is across
U.S. 1 from Edgewater property. If we have the ~ater and could supply
all the services, could that property be annexed? Mr. Alvarez said he
would have to look at that situation more closely before he could answer.
Councilman Asting stated if they were to annex this property and find
that they cannot provide the proper service for water, they could then
put a moratorium on building in the area. Mr. Alvarez said that a
moratorium would create lawsuits.
Mayor Ledbetter stated that he has been familiar with the problems the
people are having with water in that area and he assured them that if
there is any way possible for the City to help them, he is sure that
Council will go along with them. However, he further stated they had
to determine their supply and studies had to be done to find out this
information, which will take time, it will not happen overnight.
Councilman Spencer noted that if Proposition One passes, they will be
unable to increase their revenues to account for the service needed to
these existing trailer parks. Property that is annexed undeveloped is
considered new construction and would be added in the amount allotted for
revenue under Proposition One.
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Mrs. Schmidt thanked the Council and Board members for hearing them,
and taking their time to discuss this problem with them.
Mr. Alvarez said that if the Council wishes to square off the south
boundary line they will have to go for a referendum. If it is voluntary
annexation, a referendum is not necessary. The first step would be to
see if voluntary annexation is feasible, that is do the property owners
agree to it. If they don't, you go for an election. If a vote is
required you need to determine how many of the people outside of the
City limits will vote for and against annexation. You need to sit down
with the tax rolls and see who owns what and where they stand. The
voters will be the ones registered in Volusia County to vote, not a
property owner who lives outside Volusia County.
Councilwoman Bennington asked Mr. Alvarez if there were a time frame
regarding providing service to the areas? Mr. Alvarez said if it is
a voluntary annexation, you guarantee them nothing. If there is in-
voluntary annexation, you have to decide prior to the referendum, that
the facilities are there.
Councilwoman Bennington said that they should also consider what zone
this district would be if it were annexed in. It was decided that this
property has to remain under the County zoning for two years. Mr.
Alvarez stated that when they come in, and the density is similar to
the City, there is no problem; if you want to increase the density you
have to go to the County and ask for a change, which is approved or
denied by the County Council.
Councilwoman Bennington said another advantage to annexing large areas
of undeveloped land is that the City will have control over what is
developed on that land, as opposed to the County having control over
the development.
Mr. Alvarez said if Council and the Board decide that they want to just
square off the south boundary line, it will then be up to the staff to
determine the feasibility of annexing this property and then inquiring
as to whether or not the property owners wish to be annexed. Council-
man Spencer said he was not opposed to the annexation, however, he felt
that the matter should be looked in to, very carefully, possibly by
the new consulting engineering firm that they plan on hiring as to
the water service that will be required, whether or not the City will
be capable of handling the extra service, before any firm decision is
made regarding annexation.
Councilwoman Bennington stated that if Council decides they do want to
consider annexation IF it would be feasible to provide all the services,
they should start with the south end of the City and square that section
off before trying to do the entire boundary at one time. Just do a small
section at a time and the south end would not create that large an impact
as any other area.
Councilman Asting asked that Terry Wadsworth submit a report on the
feasibility of annexing parcels in the south to square off the boundary.
Councilwoman Bennington suggested that not only Terry prepare a report
but the other department heads do the same, regarding police, fire,
building, etc. Everyone agreed with the suggestion.
There being no further discussion, Councilman Asting made a motion to
adjourn the workshop, seconded by Councilwoman Bennington. The workshop
was adjourned at 10:05 P.M.
Minutes submitted by:
Susan Mista
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