01-11-1985 - Special/Workshop
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CITY COUNCIL OF EDGEWATER
SPECIAL MEETING & WORKSHOP
JANUARY 11, 1985
MINUTES
Mayor Earl Baugh called the Special Meeting and Workshop to order at 2:00 P.M.
in the Community Center. He stated that the purpose was for department head
review and the Management Pay and Benefit Plan.
ROLL CALL
Mayor Earl Baugh
Councilman Louis Rotundo
Councilman Russell Prater
Councilman Neil Asting
Present
Present
Present
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Councilman James Inman
City Attorney Jose'Alvarez
City Clerk Connie Kinsey
Police Chief Douglas Betts
Present
Present
Present
Arrived Later
Mayor Baugh suggested a recess from the Council Special Meeting into the Work-
shop and Councilman Asting so moved. Councilman Prater seconded the motion.
Motion CARRIED 5-0.
Earl Copeland, Public Works Superintendent, was the first department head to
meet with Council. Mayor Baugh stated that he's suggesting that a Council member
work with department heads to try to work out a 3 to 5 year plan for goals and pro-
jections. Mr. Copeland distributed copies of his department's activities and
responsibilities, plus an updated listing of street conditions. Mr. Copeland
noted that he'd contacted DER regarding the trash incinerator and they gave
him three names of dealers, one of which has gone out of business. He had
brochures on a trash incinerator which is portable and stated that the dealer
is supposed to get in touch with him around the beginning of February.
City Clerk Kinsey read the cover sheet
audience and press could be informed.
discuss any of the items after Council
of Mr. Copeland's information so that the
Mr. Copeland stated that he'd be glad to
has had a chance to review them.
Councilman Rotundo asked Mr. Copeland in what areas he feels they need to improve.
Mr. Copeland replied that with the equipment he has now and what he's authorized
to buy in 1985 he feels they'll be in the best shape ever and doesn't foresee
any major problem. He added that culverts could possibly present a problem.
There was an extensive discussion about the sizes and locations of the culverts.
Councilman Rotundo asked if there's enough money in the budget for the culverts
and suggested he go ahead and do what's necessary to avoid collapses and someone
getting hurt. Mr. Copeland said they bought six last year and they can't always
tell when they're going to collapse, and he referred to the large number that
collapsed during the last hurricane. Mayor Baugh suggested a crew go out and
look at them to determine if some are dangerous.
Councilman Prater noted that they have 70 pieces of equipment to maintain and
asked if one mechanic and assistant is sufficient. Mr. Copeland replied that
it sometimes is and sometimes isn't but they make sure that the garbage, fire,
police, and rescue vehicles are running. Councilman Asting asked if they
schedule vehicles in for maintenance checks and Mr. Copeland replied that they
put stickers on them and like to have them at 3,0000 miles for checkups.
Councilman Asting suggested they coordinate this at the next department head
meeting since it's the responsibility of the department head, and so that all
the vehicles won't come in at one time. Mr. Copeland said he'd keep a log at
the barn and there's a memo that all vehicles are to come through the barn
or if not, the mechanic will make arrangements to have the work done elsewhere
so they'll know the work being done on that vehicle.
Councilman Asting asked how they plan to operate the two trucks and Mr. Cope-
land replied that he's planning to put one in the old part of town and one in
Florida Shores and will probably use the railroad tracks as the divider and
if one route falls short, they can overlap. Mr. Copeland noted that they put
in 287 culverts this past year under driveways and the trash truck is used for
special pick ups, hauling of culverts, steel and cement for making posts, plus
for lumber.
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Earl Copeland, Public Works Superintendent (Continued) -
Councilman Asting asked about the stop signs and other identifying signs
and Mr. Copeland said they've made up 50 or 75 but they've just completed
the building and put the machine in it and they'll start making stop signs
very soon. Councilman Asting asked if they have the materials and Mr. Cope-
land replied yes. Councilman Inman asked where they're going to install the
signs and Mr. Copeland replied that they'll start with the main thoroughfares
and then go to Willow Oak and go east to the railroad tracks and get a street
complete. Councilman Inman agreed the main arteries should be first. Mr.
Copeland said he doesn't want them hopping around. City Clerk Kinsey pointed
out that they're going to start an inventory of signs and number and date
them when the signs go up to have a running inventory. Mayor Baugh asked if
those that are in good condition now are going to be inventoried and Mr.
Copeland replied that he'd like to put new faces on them and make them uniform
at 30-30 for the primary roads especially and with the best reflectors available.
Councilman Inman stated that regarding the proposed benefits for management,
they'll discuss it during the special meeting portion and will advise all the
department heads. Councilman Rotundo asked if the present insurance is
as proposed and City Clerk Kinsey said it's presently $10,000.00. Councilman
Inman noted that $25,000.00 is proposed. Councilman Rotundo asked the cost
and City Clerk Kinsey said it's 64~ per thousand per month.
Mr. Copeland displayed a colored picture of the incinerator and Councilman
Asting asked Mr. Copeland to advise Council when they can see it.
Mayor Baugh asked Mr. Copeland his budget status and Mr. Copeland replied that
it's fine and a little below and he's keeping close watch on it.
Mayor Baugh asked if the portable incinerator could be used at the barn and
Mr. Copeland said it could be. Mayor Baugh asked if the other one could be
set up there also and Mr. Copeland replied it could be, and it doesn't require
a large area. Mayor Baugh asked how often they would have to burn and Mr.
Copeland replied about once a week but he'd have to try it, and it it might be
less, depending on the amount collected.
Mayor Baugh asked if he has a full crew and Mr. Copeland replied yes.
Mayor Baugh asked for a Council volunteer to work with Mr Copeland and asked
Councilman Rotundo if he'd be interested in this. Councilman Rotundo agreed.
Mayor Baugh said he feels this will be very beneficial to the Council and the
citizens.
Mayor Baugh called a short recess at 2:32 P.M. for the next department head to
arrive, and called the workshop back in session at 2:33 P.M.
David Garrett, Recreational Director, Building & Maintenance Superintendent,
was the next department head to meet with Council. Mayor Baugh advised Mr.
Garrett that each department head will be asked to work with a Council member
to determine a five-year plan.
Councilman Rotundo asked Mr. Garrett how he thinks he can improve the relation-
ship with Council and the City Clerk. Mr. Garrett replied that his biggest
problem has been with the City Engineer because of the delays in replies and
it's held back quite a few of his projects. He added that he realizes the
City Engineer has a heavy work load but it's delayed the projects with the
Department of Natural Resources and with the Port Authority for grants and
permits. Councilman Rotundo asked how this problem can be corrected and City
Clerk Kinsey pointed out that he isn't a City employee, but under contract,
and suggest for future thought a combination City Planner and Engineer for
40 hours a week, in-house, and on the payroll. Councilman Rotundo asked if
the City Engineer is free to come to the City at any time and City Clerk Kinsey
said they have to keep contacting him. Councilman Asting pointed out that the
contacts are through the City Clerk. City Clerk Kinsey said some of the
Engineer's delays can be with the County and State, plus he has a private
practice also.
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David Garrett, Recreational Director, Building & Maintenance Superintendent
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Councilman Prater asked the status of the park at Riverside Drive and 442 and
Mr. Garrett replied that they have to get approval, which should be at the
end of the month from the Port Authority, and it will probably be budgeted for
next year, or possibly for two years. Councilman Prater pointed out that they're
losing ground to erosion and Mr. Garrett agreed they'll have to stablize the
ground erosion. Councilman Prater asked what he has in mind for a fishing pier
size and Mr. Garrett replied it would be about six foot wide and it will run out
about fifty foot with a forty foot "T" at the end. Councilman Prater asked if
the fifty foot would be near the channel and Mr. Garrett replied that it will
be fairly close. Councilman Prater agreed it should be close for good fishing.
Councilman Prater asked if he needs additional help from Council and Mr. Garrett
replied that he'll need it for future parks and for community needs. He added
that he'd like input from teen-agers and suggested a Junior Recreation or Steering
Committee. Councilman Asting agreed it would be a good idea and suggested a
writeup in the newspaper for volunteers for the committee. Councilman Rotundo
agreed it was a good idea. Mayor Baugh referred to the interest shown when he
spoke at the Junior High School. Councilman Asting suggested a leter to the
school and Councilman Rotundo suggested a trip to the school.
Mr. Garrett pointed out that it takes a lot of volunteers to run a recreation
deparmtent and Council members agreed.
Councilman Prater asked if he'd looked over the 14 acres and Mr. Garrett said
he'd looked over it with Councilman Rotundo. Councilman Rotundo stated that
he'd walked it and it's mostly high and dry with only one low spot near the
railroad tracks and there's a hydrant at both ends of the property. Mr. Garrett
said it's 30th to 28th Streets.
Councilman Inman asked the tentative completion date of the bike path and Mr.
Garrett stated that as soon as the County permit is signed they can go out for
bids on it. Councilman Rotundo asked the materials to be used and Mr. Garrett
replied that the Engineer suggested concrete and it will have to have a two foot
concrete curb at about $6.00 a foot, as that's the only way the County will give
permission is to divide the path from the highway. Mayor Baugh asked if that's
a new regulation and City Clerk Kinsey explained it's a use permit from the County.
Councilman Inman pointed out that Daytona Beach put in a path to the school and
used macadam. Councilman Asting asked how long the bike path will be and Mr.
Garrett replied it will be five foot wide and four foot wide. Councilman Rotundo
suggested they might get lower prices from Lone Star or Rinker if they're doing
the work themselves but they can look at the bids and go from there.
Mayor Baugh asked the completion date of Menard Park, and Mr. Garrett replied
July of this year and he hopes to have it done by then. City Clerk Kinsey
pointed out that the plans were just received 2 or 3 weeks ago from the Engineer.
Mayor Baugh asked the budget status and Mr. Garrett replied that he's doing fine.
Councilman Inman advised Mr. Garrett that the Council will review the benefit and
pay plan and will advise all department heads of the decision.
Mayor Baugh asked for a Council volunteer to work with the Parks and Recreation
Department and with the Building Department for the five-year plan. Councilman
Prater volunteered.
Mayor Baugh asked Councilman Asting if he would work with Utilities and Councilman
Asting agreed.
Mayor Baugh asked Councilman Inman if he'd work with Police, Fire and Rescue
and Councilman Inman Agreed.
Mayor Baugh stated that he'd work with the City's Administration.
Mayor Baugh called at short recess at 3:51 P.M., awaiting the next department
head. He called the Workshop back in session at 3:54 P.M.
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Dennis Fischer, Building Official, was the next
Mayor Baugh advised Mr. Fischer that Councilman
with him on a five-year plan.
department head to be interviewed.
Prater had volunteered to work
Councilman Rotundo asked Mr. Fischer where he feels he needs improvement and
Mr. Fischer explained that he distributed information that explains his goals
and problems. He noted that Volusia County is registered in the top twenty
counties for construction in the United States and he read from the statistics
outlined in his information. He stated that he will soon give Council costs to
add on to his department as his space is so limited now, and he's planning to
establish a master plan permitting system and a data base record system. He
added that he wants to register all the contractors and subcontractors in the
community. He stressed the need for continued education in his department and
noted that he's enrolled in a construction program and is doing a correspondence
course. He reviewed his proposed personnel for the department.
Mr. Fischer suggested removing the responsibility of the Code Enforcement Officer
for non-related building violations and transferring it to the Police Department
as other cities have done. Councilman Rotundo said they need to review it before
making a decision but the City is growing and he needs some assistance.
Councilman Prater asked Mr. Fischer if any ordinances hold him up that possibly
could be updated to assist him and Mr. Fischer replied he has trouble with inter-
pretting some ordinances but doesn't have anyone in particular but they need to
look at the Building Code portion of the ordinances. He added that he's on the
1985 committee for the County to adopt uniform building ordinances, and they
can look at the areas where it's deficient after the revision is adopted.
Councilman Asting asked if the vehicle authorized for the Building Department is
to be used for Code Inspection instead of by the Building Inspector. Mr. Fischer
reviewed that he's leased a vehicle with GMAC which gets extremely good gas
mileage and it would be a financial disadvantage to terminate the lease. He
added that the Code Enforcement Officer shares the City vehicle with the girls
in City Hall. City Clerk Kinsey pointed out that City Hall employees use it
to pick up mail, going to the bank, the printers and for office supplies and
there are conflicts on occasion if an employee wants to drive it to a school,
and they sometimes take their personal vehicles if it's in Daytona Beach.
There was a discussion regarding the lease agreement for the vehicle.
Councilman Asting asked if he's a member of the Building Inspectors Association
and Mr. Fischer replied yes, and his other memberships and qualifications are
listed on page 4 of the information he distributed.
Councilman Inman pointed out that a personnel proposal is for a part-time building
inspector and they've received a resume for a person to be a member of the board
who is an electrical contractor and is retired. Mr. Fischer said he's looking
for someone on a contract basis because they don't need someone full time, but
who is State certified, and if he's a master electrician, he'll qualify.
Councilman Inman questioned the arresting powers of the Code Enforcement Officer.
Mr. Fischer pointed out that it's for non-building related violations and they
don't get the respect in the field they would if they were in uniform. He
recalled that they once had to have an officer accompany them. Councilman Asting
noted that Council had discussed providing a badge for the Code Enforcement Officer.
City Clerk Kinsey pointed out that the badge doesn't have any authority. City
Attorney Alvarez agreed that the badge is just an insignia of office. Mr. Fischer
noted that they use business cards now. City Attorney Alvarez suggested the
badge could go with a picture I.D. to gain entrance to a building. Mayor Baugh
asked if they could have a Police officer named as a Code Enforcement Officer
for other than building violations since they're there to enforce the ordinances
of the City. City Attorney Alvarez said he'd have to research that since it
might provoke a situation due to reaction to a Police officer. Mayor Baugh said
he's referring to instances such as removal of junk cars. City Attorney Alvarez
agreed if the enforcement falls with the Police Department he should handle it
and he sees no problem with sending someone from the Police Department to a specific
area when it's something other than building. Mayor Baugh pointed out that when
he was Police Chief it was handled that way and worked very well.
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Dennis Fischer, Building Official, (Continued) -
Councilman Asting asked City Clerk Kinsey to have ordered the picture
identification cards as he didn't feel badges were necessary. Mayor Baugh
agreed.
Councilman Inman advised Mr. Fischer that Council will discuss the benefit and
pay plan during the special meeting portion and will let him know the decision.
Mr. Fischer noted that he listed in his information the surveys of the County,
the Florida League of Cities, and outside areas and a copy of the budget for
his department. Mayor Baugh asked if the Building Department is in Code Enforce-
ment and Mr. Fischer replied yes.
Mayor Baugh asked the status of the budget now and Mr. Fischer said they're
right where they should be and he doesn't see any overbudgeting. He added that
he estimates about $3,000.00 for the materials for the addition to his department.
Mr. Fischer stated that he received 25 building permits for single family homes
for the first two weeks of this year and their department is slowly straightening
out the procedures with the water and street departments, but he doesn't have
any other major problems. He reviewed the proposed additional room and added
that the air conditioning and heating would have to be updated. Mayor Baugh asked
if City crews could do the inside work and Mr. Fischer replied that they can do
a portion of it. He added that cooperation has been excellent from Council and
he appreciates working with everyone.
Mayor Baugh requested a copy of the Quarterly Report and Mr. Fischer said he'd
provide it.
Mayor Baugh recessed the Workshop at 3:30 P.M. to await the next department head.
He called the Workshop back in session at 3:35 P.M.
Terry Wadsworth, Utilities Superintendent, was then interviewed. Councilman
Rotundo asked Mr. Wadsworth how Council can assist to make things easier and
Mr. Wadsworth replied that things are going pretty well now and he has a good
rapport when submitting items to Council and getting them back.
Mr. Wadsworth stated that the major thing for the City this year is the water
treatment and supply study which is being done by Conklin, Porter and Holmes
and they want to get with Council to brief them on the status and to get input
for service areas and policies in regard to annexation. Councilman Rotundo
suggested that Mr. Wadsworth and Councilman Asting work on that and agreed that
the water plant needs to be expanded as fast as possible. Councilman Prater
asked if the expansion would be all new equipment or if they'd use existing
equipment. Mr. Wadsworth replied that they plan to use what they have becasue
it's not that old but they may want to modify some for a different type of
treatment for detention time for recarbonation for the softener units there.
Mr. Wadsworth said he'd want to use all they can and expand, pending it being
within the finances available to the City. Councilman Prater asked if there's
any cost determined yet and Mr. Wadsworth replied that the report from Conklin,
Porter and Holmes will tell them that but they have some money available in the
impact fee fund and there will be different options at different price ranges
but they need to meet with the engineers. He added that the engineers are
having problems getting exact figures from the suppliers. Councilman Asting
asked if the engineers are taking into consideration where they might be able
to locate well sites and Mr. Wadsworth replied that was requested and they're
working with the County and the State on that but sometimes they can't get any-
thing definite until they start the permitting process, and the area around
1-95 will be ideal for the City. Councilman Asting asked if the same method
will be used if they modify the treatment process and Mr. Wadsworth replied
that it would be the lime treatment due to the type of water in this area.
Councilman Asting asked if it would be more costly and Mr. Wadsworth replied
that some equipment is cheaper originally and some more costly to operate and
they have to consider what is the best investment for the City. Mr. Wadsworth
pointed out that they have some old pipes in the ground and some of the problems
are not with the plant but with distribution. Councilman Asting asked about
the problem on 35th Street between Needle Palm and Queen Palm and Mr. Wadsworth
replied there's 2" PVC line on 35th and it was designed to serve residences,
and the last 6" line is 34th and it's all 2" line around the perimeter.
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Terry Wadsworth, Utilities Superintendent, (Continued) -
Councilman Asting asked what equipment is planned for the water department and
Mr. Wadsworth replied that they budgeted for three new vehicles and he has the
specifications and they can go with State bid or as a fleet, whichever is cheaper.
Mr. Wadsworth noted that the Ditch Witch is down but he doesn't think it warrants
repair and he suggested they auction it off. He added that they periodically
upgrade and replace their equipment.
Councilman Asting asked the condition of the water towers and Mr. Wadsworth
replied that Park Avenue is scheduled in the budget to be done this year and
the other one will be done next year and each should last 3 to 5 years.
Councilman Inman asked the status of well #1 where they were losing pressure and
Mr. Wadsworth answered that Layne Atlantic has pulled the pump and it's in Orlando
for analysis. He added that they had to repair well #2 also but he hasn't been
notified as to the condition of the pump and he'll advise Council when he hears.
Councilman Rotundo asked if they have back up pumps or if they're too costly and
Mr. Wadsworth replied that they don't have spare pumps because they take different
ones but he hopes to standardize them with the new well to what they have on
wells #4 and #5. Councilman Rotundo asked how much time it takes and Mr. Wadsworth
replied that he's to be advised the next Tuesday.
Councilman Inman asked if the engineers are considering the possibility of
fluoride in the water also and Mr. Wadsworth said they didn't request them to
do that but it's fairly economical and not a major consideration from an engin-
eering standpoint, and it's the City's option. Councilman Inman noted that he'd
been told it would be more feasible and less expensive to do it with the expansion
and Mr. Wadsworth agreed.
Mayor Baugh asked if they want plant expansion or a new plant and Mr. Wadsworth
replied that they're considering both but there's not much money for grants for
water plants, only for wastewater. He added that it if they can't find something
compatible with the plant they may have to think of a new one they can phase in
as money is available. Mayor Baugh expressed his concern of how long it would
be practical with the population increase. Mr. Wadsworth pointed out that they
have to see where St. Johns Water Management will let them locate the plant.
Mayor Baugh reviewed a presentation at the last VCOG meeting on percolation
and advised they'll make it available to the City for a program to show the
best locations for wells with no cost involved for the program. He added that
most of the wells are going west of 1-95 and south of Daytona Beach. Mr.
Wadsworth recalled that they'd recommended for Edgewater the vicinity of Lake
Ashby but that wouldn't be practical. Mayor Baugh suggested this presentation
be included with the meeting with Conklin, Porter and Holmes.
Mayor Baugh asked the status of his budget and Mr. Wadsworth replied that
they're fine and usually don't make major purchases until after some of the
revenues are in and the auditors make some changes but he feels they'll be in
good financial shape.
Mayor Baugh asked if the water hookups are what were anticipated and Mr.
Wadsworth replied that it's a little below but the economy will determine that.
Councilman Inman advised Mr. Wadsworth that Council will discuss the benefit
and pay plan later in the meeting and will advise him by letter of what action
the City takes.
Mayor Baugh called a recess at 3:55 P.M, awaiting the next department head.
He called the Workshop back in session at 3:58 P.M.
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Douglas Betts, Police Chief, was then interviewed.
Mayor Baugh advised Chief Betts that a Council member will be working with
each of the department heads to establish a five-year plan and Councilman
Inman will be working Police,Fire and Rescue.
Councilman Rotundo asked Chief Betts how he thinks he needs to improve the
Police Department, with the Council's help. Chief Betts replied that he's had
training and has made steps to improve the department in many areas and the
Council could direct suggestions in areas that appear weak to them. He said
in going over equipment, managerial practices, and organizational structures,
he has instigated them and Council has a list of his improvements. He added
that most beneficial to him would be input from the Council on areas they would
have questions or suggestions on and they could sit down and discuss it.
Chief Betts stated that they're making good progress and he displayed a graph
that showed the number of calls for service from July of last year until
January and noted they've had a 300% increase in calls for service since
August 1st. He added that these calls include actions taken by the department
members and services performed, which is recorded and filed. He stated that
he is working diligently to improving the service and the basic law enforcement
structure, and would appreciate any Council suggestions and will implement if
necessary.
Mayor Baugh asked how far back the 697 for the month goes and Chief Betts
replied it's since his arrival and prior to that they were in the area of 175
to 200 calls since last January. Mayor Baugh stated that they were averaging
500 to 600 a month. Chief Betts stated that monthly reports are available.
Councilman Prater asked his number one priority to get done what he'd like and
Chief Betts said it's going along the way he likes and his priority would be
training of the departmental personnel and the officers should be trained
for 1985 and for the future and training will prepare the men for 10 years
ahead.
Councilman Asting stated that he's concerned about the purchasing procedures
in the Police Department and noted that a repair to vehicle #311 was authorized
at Goodyear and the requisition was signed that the work was done. He added
that when the City's garage had the vehicle the mechanic said there were no
parts put in the front end at all and it was not aligned. He noted that the
bill from Goodyear was for $131.88. Chief Betts said that he considers the
vehicle to be unsafe-was why he took it to Gooodyear. Councilman Asting pointed
out that there were two vehicles parked in front of the -Police Department to
be used for patrol work and they're requiring Police officers to go out in
what he considers to be unsafe vehicles. He asked Chief Betts for an explan-
ation on this and Chief Betts said he hadn't talked to the mechanic about
this but he will and then give him an answer. Councilman Asting noted that it
was released by Sherry Reed to the Purchasing Clerk certifying that the work
was performed and no repairs were made. Chief Betts said he'll talk to the
City mechanic and get a report back. Councilman Asting stated that he brought
up some time ago that he's not happy with the purchasing procedure and it
hasn't improved any.
Councilman Inman stated that in reference to vehicle #311, the Plymouth has
99,000 miles on it and he considers it worn out for use for Police work.
Chief Betts agreed. Councilman Inman reviewed the uses of the three new
vehicles and suggested that #311 be parked out front of the Department. He
recalled the accident that occurred a few years ago and said he doesn't want
to see anything like that happen again. He added that he considers this vehicle
unsafe and wouldn't drive it if he was on the force. He suggested the one
vehicle be painted and equipped for patrol and added that he knows there's a
problem with the cage because of cramped space but he thinks he should take
care of this matter. Chief Betts said he'll look into it.
Councilman Inman asked about the new tires put on the car because the car
was not tracking right and said if the front end is worn out the tires won't
help. Councilman Inman asked about the new hubcaps put on the Chief's car
and Chief Betts said he got them to conceal the police look and they list at
$160.00 per set and he got them for $40. and the tires he took off because he
didn't think they felt comfortable and he set the old ones aside for later and
had a new set put on.
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Douglas Betts, Police Chief (Continued)
Councilman Prater asked why he'd put the tires on a patrol car if they were
unsafe for him. Chief Betts replied that when they passed 45 or 50 they had
a vibration. Councilman Prater asked if they could go back to the tire manu-
facturer on the warranty instead of a new set and Chief Betts agreed that
would have been a possibility and it might be done. Councilman Asting stated
that he might not be able to go 85 safely with the tires on the vehicle.
Councilman Inman stated that he was very disturbed about the article on 85 on
the highway. Councilman Asting agreed he also was. Mayor Baugh asked what
the hurry was to get back and Chief Betts said he doesn't remember. Mayor Baugh
asked his hurry to get to D.B.C.C. and Chief Betts said it was a 911 meeting
but he didn't hurry up there. Mayor Baugh said he thinks he did.
Councilman Inman stated that he doesn't want to tell any department head how
to run his department but he's available to be called on the telephone if there's
a problem and will give his input. He recalled two reasons for terminating,
one is if you're caught sleeping on the job and the other is falsifying a report.
Chief Betts agreed.
Mayor Baugh asked if the hub caps were $40. from a salvage yard and Chief Betts
replied that he thinks it was $40. Mayor Baugh asked if there were two bills
and Chief Betts said there was possibly irregularities and they couldn't read it.
Councilman Asting stated that when the three Police vehicles came to the City
he had stated that they had to be used for patrol work and only one is being
used for patrol and another is being used by the Chief and one by his Assistant
which is in violation of what was stated in a Council meeting and the Chief had
agreed to at that meeting. Chief Betts asked if the Council has the October 1st
meeting minutes which would answer that and which is what he went by. Mayor
Baugh pointed out that Councilman Asting wanted an answer as to why the cars
aren't on the road and Chief Betts replied that he didn't promise it. Councilman
Asting suggested he listen to the tapes. Councilman Inman asked the date and
Chief Betts replied it was October 1st and it has the entire discussion of the
purchase and it's an adequate answer to that question.
Councilman Inman asked Chief Betts if he took a City vehicle to the West coast
on Thanksgiving week-end and Chief Betts replied no, the car did not leave
here unless it had Council's permission.
Chief Betts stated that it doesn't appear they're interested in the department
and are going over items he expected Council to come to him with. Councilman
Asting stated he doesn't go to him, but expects the Chief to come to Council.
Mayor Baugh pointed out that he'd come to see him and he wasn't there. Chief
Betts said he hasn't had any contact or telephone calls with Council and he
was under the impression from the old Council they would take the time to give
him a call or come by if there was a question if it was built on reason and
they could either change it or improve it. He added that he would welcome the
input to him and with no communication from Council he assumed it was being
done to par at least and he had no problems. He stated that he was appointed to
run the department as the head and he's been doing that in accordance with
State Statutes and City ordinances. He said if there are any blemishes or
suspicions or wrongdoings, a telephone call would have been handled instantly.
He stated that he admires the Council greatly with their experience, their
age, and their position and he was trained that way. He added that it's not
his business to cheat the City, guide the City, or take from the City to
better himself. He pointed out that he's at the top of his profession and his
salary is adequate and he needs nothing else but to do a job and finish it and
he's not finished yet, and with their help it can be quicker.
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Douglas Betts, Police Chief (Continued)
Mayor Baugh stated that on November 27th the Chief was scheduled to come to
a department head meeting and he'd said he'd be there but didn't show up and
after the meeting he went to the Police Department to see where he was and
was told that the Chief was at a private meeting. Mayor Baugh said he'd talked
with a couple of officers and they said the Chief had called a mandatory meeting
that day for 3:00 and he didn't show up until 4:15 or 4:30 and the officers
just sat there. Mayor Baugh stated that on November 24th the Chief was
unavailable and that was when he went to the West coast and he was told to
take a personal day on the 26th. Mayor Baugh recalled other instances when
he tried to reach him and he was away but his time sheet showed he was on duty.
Mayor Baugh stated that regarding the hub caps, the Chief got them on a Saturday
and told the man he'd give him a purchase order in an hour or so and when it
was questioned on Monday, there was another bill issued by that agency for
$30, for those hub caps, which was after it was questioned why they were purchased
prior to a purchase order.
Mayor Baugh stated that in checking with the City Clerk, the purchasing pro-
cedure has not improved any and regarding working things out with the City
Clerk, there was one meeting with her. City Clerk Kinsey agreed that was
correct. Mayor Baugh pointed out that the Chief had no meetings with the City
Clerk regarding purchasing and he still doesn't follow the procedures as far
as purchasing goes, and asked when he'll learn that he has the manual for pur-
chasing and that's what has to be followed. Mayor Baugh asked Chief Betts if
he'd signed all his pay sheets and Chief Betts replied yes. Mayor Baugh said
he's going to get that verified because he believes those were signed by someone
other than him. Mayor Baugh stated that he's not happy with what's going on
over there. Mayor Baugh asked if the patrol car that he's seen Mrs. Reed drive
several times has ever gone over to Seminole Community College and if so, why.
Chief Betts replied yes, twice. Mayor Baugh pointed out that was after Council
had tabled the request for a City car. Chief Betts said he assumed that it was
tabled on going to the school. Mayor Baugh stated that the whole item was
tabled, and it was misuse of the City car. Chief Betts said he didn't realize that.
Councilman Asting stated that between now and the end of the month Council has
to make a determination regarding Chief Betts as his probation ends the 31st
of this month and he suggested any correspondence or anything pertaining to
Chief Betts and his management of the Police Department be made known to the
Council members, both the good and the irregularities and between now and then
they'll have another meeting and determine how they're going to handle the
matter. He added that what's made available to Council should be made available
to Chief Betts so they can listen to him if he wishes to contest any of it.
Mayor Baugh asked City Clerk Kinsey if it's improved any in the last month or
month and a half regarding City Hall and purchasing. City Clerk Kinsey replied
that she doesn't feel that it's changed in the last month and has not improved.
Mayor Baugh asked Chief Betts if he ever authorized a patrol car to be on the
road without a tag. Chief Betts replied no, he didn't authorize it. Mayor
Baugh stated that he has a picture of one that has no tag and;:the Chief told them
to drive it without a tag and he'll make th~ picture available. Chief Betts said
that he'll probably need it.
Councilman Inman asked Mrs. Reed's job title and Chief Betts replied that
she's a Records Clerk. Councilman Inman pointed out that when he went to
the Chief's office he was introduced to her as a secretary and a very efficient
one. Chief Betts agreed and said without Sherry Reed his transition would
have been almost impossible and she's one of the most efficient office personnel
he's come across. Councilman Inman asked why Mrs. Reed has a pager if she's
a Records Clerk. Chief Betts replied that it's her pager and she donated two
pagers to the department and they're paying rent on the lines and they have a
50-mile range. He added that when he first came here his pager was inadequate
and now they have a toll free line for unlimited long distance calls and she
volunteered these pagers and he has one and she has one. Mayor Baugh asked what
happened to the old pagers and Chief Betts replied they've been placed inactive
in his office. Councilman Inman asked if Mrs. Reed has a Police radio in her
private car and if so, why. Chief Betts replied that it's in case he has to
get in touch with her and since he doesn't have a #2 man, he puts a lot of
responsibility on her and leans on her in that capacity many times.
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Douglas Betts, Police Chief (Continued)
Mayor Baugh asked if it's a City radio in her private vehicle and Chief Betts
replied yes. Councilman Asting said that's misuse of City property. Mayor
Baugh asked if the pager system is out of Daytona and Chief Betts replied yes.
Mayor Baugh asked what's wrong with the pager system they had as they used it
clear down to Brevard County and suggested they get it fixed if something's wrong
and not pay the rent. Chief Betts said the equipment's there but he doesn't
know if they're paying any money on it, and he thinks they belong to the
department. City Clerk Kinsey stated that they're paying rent on the two from
Daytona Beach. Mayor Baugh stated that he sees no need for pages from Daytona
and the Chief can let them know where he's going.
Councilman Inman said regarding the affirmative action plan, there was a female
officer who applied for a position August 31, 1984, and required a 40 hour
refresher course to be recertified and then a few weeks ago he submitted a
request to send Sherry Reed to a school for 420 hours when he already had an
applicant to balance the plan. He asked the Chief why he didn't hire the female
officer to comply with the plan and Chief Betts replied that the position was
already spoken for and he wasn't happy with the application of the lady who
applied and Council can look at the application. Councilman Inman asked when
he'd be in the office and Chief Betts replied whenever it's convenient and
they agreed to a meeting at 9:00 A.M. the following morning.
Councilman Inman asked if he has training officers and and Chief Betts replied
yes. Councilman Inman asked how many hours of training they had last month and
Chief Betts replied 20 working days. Councilman Inman asked if the men ride with
a training officer and Chief Betts replied yes. Mayor Baugh asked why a new man
was in a car alone on the second day and Chief Betts said it was because of
sickness or vacation, and he had to cover that area. Mayor Baugh pointed out
that it was his second day and he should have had 20 days. Chief Betts replied
that it was a managerial decision and he felt he needed him out there, and he
stated that previous men were brought in and put on the road with no training
program. Mayor Baugh stated that they had training before and Chief Betts
asked what kind of training and if they had a field training officer. Mayor
Baugh replied yes. Chief Betts asked if he was certified by the State and
Mayor Baugh replied yes. Chief Betts asked who it was and Mayor Baugh replied
it was Bucky McEver and Sergeant Lenz. Chief Betts asked if they'd gone through
the schools and Mayor Baugh said yes.
Mayor Baugh stated that he'd asked the Chief about any openings and he'd told
him no and about a week later he hired another man and he asked why. Chief
Betts said he doesn't remember the conversation. Mayor Baugh pointed out that
it's in the minutes.
Councilman Inman noted that on December 31st on the daylight shift they had
two patrolmen on the shift in one car and this was with one patrolman with
two days here and the other with~bout two months' experience and they patrolled
the whole City when a man called in sick. Chief Betts recommended they go over
that in their meeting the next morning. Chief Betts stated that these problems
spring up and he's the head of the department to handle it. Councilman Inman
noted that he used to keep the shift going off for an extra four hours and the
next shift would come in four hours early. Chief Betts said that it was an
administrative decision of his.
Mayor Baugh suggested another meeting and perhaps holding it the first part of
next week, to let Chief Betts know where he stands and Council can get infor-
mation from the City Clerk and other people and the Chief can have it so
Council can make a decision a& to his probation or if he continues with his
employment with the City. Councilman Asting agreed this matter should be
given their sole attention.
Mayor Baugh advised Chief Betts that he'll be notified when they schedule
the meeting and it will be strictly for his probation and there will be no
other items on the agenda. Councilman Asting requested City Clerk Kinsey to
furnish the information to Chief Betts.
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Connie Kinsey, City Clerk/Administrator was then interviewed. Mayor Baugh
asked City Clerk Kinsey if she had any suggestions and she replied that some
were for budget time in June or July and her distributed information covers
the main items. She pointed out that one item that will save hours of research
time by the City Attorney and City Engineer would be the hiring of an in-house
City Engineer-City Planner, and the salary would be justified. She reviewed
some of the items on her list such as the computer update and pointed out that
the City got a Certificate of Conformance for the first time in its history
and they had a carryover of over $300,000. in the 1983-84 fiscal budget which
indicates the City has good auditing practices. Mayor Baugh pointed out that
there are a lot of needs to be met for the City such as streets being capped.
Councilman Inman agreed that would be his next project also to avoid complete
paving on some of the streets. Mayor Baugh requested Councilman Rotundo and
Mr. Copeland to work on this and come back to Council. Councilman Inman stated
that he was interested in the program implemented by New Smyrna Beach.
Councilman Rotundo asked City Clerk Kinsey how she'd like Council to help and
she replied that she's very pleased with this Council's actions to this point
and has expressed her needs in the information distributed. Mayor Baugh noted
that Port Orange got a new building under a federal grant and he'd spoken to
the City Clerk about it, and Council should authorize grant applications.
City Clerk Kinsey noted that a City Planner will do that. Councilman Asting
pointed out that they didn't budget for a Planner. City Clerk Kinsey suggested
they consider it later.
Councilman Prater stated that since he's been on Council he's well satisfied
with his dealings with the City Clerk. Councilman Asting said he's well
satisfied. Councilman Inman agreed he is also. Mayor Baugh said he has no
questions.
Councilman Rotundo asked City Clerk Kinsey if she can handle the work load
and she replied that it seems to be delegated satisfactorily. Councilman
Inman said that's the sign of a good manager.
City Clerk Kinsey said the auditors called her regarding the administrative
procedures which have been written up for at least 10 years and the project
is done and just has to be retyped, but the rough draft has been approved by
the auditors. She noted that's for City Hall only but it affects purchasing
and many other areas of the departments.
Councilman Rotundo asked if they're receiving ad valorem tax money and City
Clerk Kinsey said it's the largest amount this early that she remembers
receiving.
Mayor Baugh recessed the Workshop and asked for a motion to reconvene the
Special Meeting. Councilman Asting moved to reconvene the Special Meeting.
Councilman Inman seconded the motion. Motion CARRIED 5-0.
Council members discussed a date and time for the Special Meeting with the
Police Chief on probation and it was agreed ~hat it would be on Tuesday,
January 15, 1985 at 2:00 P.M. in the Community Center. Mayor Baugh asked
if City Attorney Alvarez would be available and he said he'd check his
schedule. Mayor Baugh suggested the Council members meet with the City Clerk
in the meantime so copies can be made available to everyone. Councilman
Asting pointed out that Council had requested background checks and requested
that be included in the package.
Proposed Management Pay and Benefit Plan - Mayor Baugh asked for Council input
and said he felt it's an excellent proposal. Councilman Rotundo asked if
it's about the same percentage of raise and Mayor Baugh said it's about 10%.
Councilman Asting asked if there are salary increases budgeted and City
Clerk Kinsey replied that no employee raises were budgeted, and a budget
amendment will be necessary in March or April for the larger items that
weren't budgeted.
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Proposed Management Pay and Benefit Plan (Continued) -
Mayor Baugh asked if there were any problems other than salary.
members reviewed the various items and City Clerk Kinsey pointed
on vacations they've added 30 working days for 16 or more years.
Baugh noted that they need it if they've been here 16 years.
Council
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Councilman Inman said he had a problem with the sick leave, last paragraph
and City Clerk Kinsey pointed out that it's the wording from the other two
contracts. Councilman Inman stated that he never got paid for sick leave.
Mayor Baugh pointed out that in the Police Department it was an incentive
not to miss work and it's cheaper than paying overtime to cover for the person
out on sick leave. City Clerk Kinsey noted that currently three department
heads collect the day a month and the other three haven't been here long
enough.
Councilman Inman said he had no problems with benefits and Councilman
Rotundo said it would just be the sick leave. Councilman Prater noted
that the added $15,000. on life insurance will be less than $10.00 per
employee. City Clerk Kinsey agreed that figure was correct. Councilman
Rotundo asked an amount of these package deals, and City Clerk Kinsey said
she didn't have that figure available.
Mayor Baugh asked if any Council member had an objection to other than the
salaries and no Council member expressed an objection.
Mayor Baugh said he didn't think the Police Chief should be considered at this
time since he's still on probation and when evaluated a salary could be deter-
mined later. City Clerk Kinsey noted that the salary he requested was at the
completion of one year of service. Mayor Baugh suggested they consider it
later and Councilman Asting agreed. Councilman Inman suggested the employees
be on permanent status before being considered for a raise.
Councilman Asting suggested since no salary increases were built into the
budget that a percentage increase of 7~% be granted, which is 2~% over the
other employees, and they deserve more of an increase than regular employees.
City Clerk Kinsey calculated the amounts by department head if it were to be
7~% and read the totals. She pointed out that the merit increase of 4% is no
longer in affect for department heads which would have allowed them 9% for an
increase. There was a discussion that some of the department heads on the
lower scale should be higher and Mayor Baugh suggested they all be raised by
$1,592. which was 7~% of the City Clerk's salary. Mayor Baugh asked City Attorney
Alvarez if they get a motion to accept it and the department heads accept it
if it could be put into effect immediately. City Attorney Alvarez agreed it could
and asked if they wanted it approved by all. Mayor Baugh said he would think
the majority and Councilman Rotundo agreed. City Clerk Kinsey said if someone.
or all department heads don't accept it, then they can let Council know and
set up another meeting. There was a discussion about the effective date and
City Attorney Alvarez said they shouldn't penalize management employees. and give
tHem anything less. Mayor Baugh pointed out that the other employees were given
raises retroactive to October 1st and that was his recommendation, and to be 7~%
of the City Clerk's salary. City Attorney Alvarez clarified that it would be
7~% of the City Clerk's salary to each of the department heads listed by the
memo of December 7th from Terry Wadsworth. subject to their individual approval.
Councilman Prater suggested $1,593 across the board for all department heads retro-
active back to October 1st. and he made that a motion as stated. Councilman
Inman seconded the motion. Motion CARRIED 5-0.
Councilman Asting moved to adjourn. Councilman Prater seconded the motion.
Meeting was adjourned at 5:35 P.M.
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