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CITY COUNCIL OF EDGEWATER
SPECIAL MEETING
SEPTEMBER 9, 1987
MINUTES
Mayor Baugh called the meeting to order at 7:00 P.M. in the Community Center.
He stated the purpose of the meeting was to hold public hearings on the millage
rate and FY-1988 City budget and to introduce Ord. 87-0-21 re: the FY-1988 budget.
ROLL CALL
Mayor Earl Baugh
Councilman Louis Rotundo
Councilman Russell Prater
Councilman Neil Asting
Present
Present
Excused
Present
Councilman David Mitchum
City Attorney Jose'Alvarez
City Clerk Connie Martinez
Chief Lawrence Schumaker
Present
Excused
Present
Present
Also present was Ms. Karen Rickleman, Finance Officer.
Ms. Rickelman explained to the audience that this is the wrong meeting if they
want to discuss the increased valuation for their homes, and this is just for the
proposed millage rate that the City is assessing on the budget. She added that
the City has nothing to do with the valuations and it's done by the Property
Appraiser's office.
Ms. Rickelman read Resolution 87-R-38. RES. 87-R-38 - A RESOLUTION ADOPTING A
CERTIFIED MILLAGE RATE OF 6.300 MILLS PER $1,000.00 ASSESSED VALUATION FOR THE
CITY OF EDGEWATER, FLORIDA, FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 1987-1988, WHICH REPRESENTS A
SIX POINT THREE ONE (6.31) PERCENT INCREASE OVER THE ROLLED BACK RATE OF 5.926;
REPEALING ALL RESOLUTIONS IN CONFLICT HEREWITH AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
She pointed out this is the same millage rate as assessed last year of 6.300.
She noted that they increased the self-insurance pool by another $300,000. this
year, and budgeted for five additional employees in the General Fund - 1 for
Other Governmental Services, 2 for Law Enforcement, and 2 for Parks and Recreation.
She added that there was budgeted for 10 additional vehicles - 1 for Administration,
6 for Law Enforcement, a Public Works trash truck, and a pick up truck and van for
Parks and Recreation. She noted that they budgeted for a computer for Planning
and Zoning and the Building Department to help update the Comprehensive Plan and
for building permits and code enforcement record keeping.
Ms. Rickelman stated that the Law Enforcement budget includes renovation of the
old Library and for Fire and Rescue they have $10,000 for purchasing land at the
South end of Florida Shores to build a 2-bay station to service that end. She
noted that part of the Public Works budget is to replace gas pumps plus after
October 1, 1987, that department will no longer handle installation of culverts.
Ms. Rickelman continued a detail of some of the items included in the budgets
for the Parks and Recreation and Library.
Ms. Rickelman pointed out that water and sewer and refuse budgets have been
increased in rates, with refuse for residents going up by 75~ per month from
$6.25 to $7.00 and for commercial it increased from $7.75 to $8.50 per month.
Ms. Rickelman stated that in the water and sewer budget they increased the
water from $3.60 to $4.00 for the base minimum and overage went to $1.25.
She noted the increases were due to the self-insurance pool and 1 additional
person in field operations and 3 additional in refuse for the third pick up
route being put on. She stated they have 4 additional vehicles for refuse and
3 for water and sewer, with 1 for water and sewer for sludge hauling. She
pointed out that this also includes a 12" line to Florida Shores and for the
rehabilitation of Flagler and South Riverside sewers.
Mayor Baugh asked for public questions or comments on what was just reviewed
by Ms. Rickelman.
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Resolution on millage 87-R-38 (Continued)
Freeman Newell, South Ridgewood, stated they pay the mlnlmum water and sewer
even when they're away for part of the year and he has been asking for 7 years
why they have to pay that minimum. He added that he has to pay for the extra
also. Mayor Baugh replied that all residents have to pay it. Ms. Rickelman
stated they have to pay the minimum base so the water and sewer revenue will
be a guaranteed income and it was a stipulation of the bond ordinance. She
asked if they're serviced by a master meter and Mr. Newell replied yes and
he pays for 2,000 per unit. Ms. Rickelman pointed out that he pays $3.60 for
the first unit and then $3.00 for each additional one, and the residents pay
$3.60, so he gets a break on the minimum of 60C per unit over the first unit
because they only read one meter. Mr. Newell asked if he should water his
lawn since he has to pay for it anyway and Ms. Rickelman noted that water
conservation is in effect. Mr. Newell said he doesn't have to worry about
that because he's paying for it.
Mrs. Yule, 3031 Royal Palm, asked if there's mention of roads, lamp posts and
fire hydrants and Mayor Baugh replied yes, when they had budget hearings, and
she can get a copy of the minutes as soon as they are available.
FY-1988 Budget
Ms. Rickelman read Ordinance 87-0-21. ORD. 87-0-21 - AN ORDINANCE SETTING A
FINAL BUDGET AND APPROPRIATING REVENUES TO BE COLLECTED FOR THE CITY OF EDGE-
WATER, VOLUSIA COUNTY, FLORIDA, FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING OCTOBER 1, 1987,
AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30, 1988, SETTING FORTH REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES OF THE
GENERAL FUND AND VARIOUS ITEMS THEREOF; THE WATER AND WASTEWATER FUND; THE
WATER AND WASTEWATER DEVELOPMENT FUND; AND THE REFUSE COLLECTION FUND; SHOWING
A MORE DETAILED BREAKDOWN BY "EXHIBIT A"; REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES OR RESOLUTIONS
IN CONFLICT HEREWITH; PROVIDING FOR PUBLICATION OF THIS ORDINANCE, AND PROVIDING
FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Ms. Rickelman read the totals for anticipated revenues
and expenditures as $3,792,875. for General Fund, and she read the breakdown of
items which made up this total.
Ms. Rickelman stated the total for the Water-Wastewater Fund for revenue and
expenditures is $1,721,500.
Ms. Rickelman stated the total for the Water and Wastewater Development Fund
for revenue is $355,000. and for expenditures is $290,000.
Ms. Rickelman stated the total for Refuse for revenue and expenditures is
$540,155.
Mayor Baugh requested a motion to go from the Special Meeting to the Public
Hearing on this Ordinance. Councilman Asting so moved. Councilman Rotundo
seconded the motion. Motion CARRIED 4-0.
Mayor Baugh stated this is the Public Hearing for Ordinance 87-0-21. He asked
for public questions or comments regarding the materials just read by Ms.
Rickelman. Ms. Rickelman again advised the audience that questions about the
value of their property have to be taken up with the Property Appraiser and
the City has nothing to do with the appraisal of the house. She reviewed the
millage rate compared to last year and the rolled back rate. Mayor Baugh advised
the audience that they can to to the Court House annex in New Smyrna Beach before
Friday if they want to discuss the valuation of their homes.
Jim Borgerson, Orange Tree Drive, stated that he'd talked with Frank Garrity
about his taxes and he told him to come to this meeting tonight. He noted
that the City had over a month to clear this up if it was an error. Mayor Baugh
explained this meeting is about the millage. Mr. Borgerson spoke at length about
the valuation assessed on his home and the increased taxes, and the fact that
the taxes went up for him because of the road which was soil treated and not paved.
Mayor Baugh advised that they'll call Mr. Garrity about the notice, and he
suggested Mr. Borgerson advise the County that it's not a paved road.
Bud Walter, 3047 Kumquat, stated his form says this meeting is about property
taxes. Mayor Baugh explained that the City maintained the same millage as last
year but the increase is in the County and School Board. He noted that the
City has to set the dates for our hearings so they won't conflict with the
County's dates.
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Harry Tiffany, 1952 Guava, reviewed the increased assessment on his property
from 1985 to present. He noted that all they'd done was paint the house at a
cost of $300. Mayor Baugh suggested he go to the Court House Annex.
Jake Lodico, 302 North Riverside, referred to his trips to New Smyrna Beach
and Deland and then they told him to go to Daytona Beach. He stated that he
thought the County representatives would be at this meeting. He reviewed the
footage of Riverside Drive that's on his property and said when he went to
Deland they said it doesn't make any difference. He reviewed the amounts his
assessment has gone up during the past few years. Ms. Rickelman pointed out
that there's a telephone number and extension to call to get on the schedule for
the Property Appraisal Adjustment Board to hear the complaint. She added that
they require an appointment to be heard by that Board.
Debbie Loeffler, 2104 Travelers Palm, asked if the rates will go up if the millage
has not changed over last year. Mayor Baugh replied that it stays the same,
but if the house is assessed for a higher amount, the millage would be higher
for that higher value. He added that the County went up about 40%. Ms. Rickelman
noted they pay other taxes besides the City's and some of the others have increased
so the tax bill will be increased. She added that if the value of the house didn't
increase or decrease, the City's portion is the same.
Henry Scherz, 1011 Egret Court, stated that the City should have some input if
the assessed valuations go up. He suggested that the City contest it instead of
individuals. City Clerk Martinez stated that the homeowners have to do it.
He referred to the needed survey of Riverside Drive. Mayor Baugh pointed out
there was no money budgeted for it and it's in excess of $20,000, and the City
applied for a grant for it but it was denied. He agreed it has to be done, but
they have to get the money to do it. Mr. Scherz stated the grant was turned down
in the Spring over six months ago and he asked why something wasn't done. City
Clerk Martinez replied it was not budgeted. Ms. Rickelman stated that they proposed
$25,000 in Planning to get it done, but that was an area that was cut. Mr. Scherz
asked the amount of the Planning budget and if he can get a copy. Mayor Baugh
replied it's been available in City Hall. Ms. Rickelman said they can review it
in City Hall, or can get copies of it at 25~ each page. She noted that they have
$130,000. in Planning. Mr. Scherz asked how that's broken down since the Board
is volunteers. Ms. Rickelman replied they have two budgeted employees and with
benefits, that's $40,000. and $53,000.for professional services for an in-house
consultant engineer. Mr. Scherz stated that he gets $30 an hour. Ms. Rickelman
pointed out that's also for outside consultants for the Comprehensive Plan.
City Clerk Martinez noted that the majority of the problems of Riverside Drive
is that on paper it's in their yards, and they have to swap the paper for the real
location. Mr. Scherz asked how that could be done and Mayor Baugh explained the
procedure. Mayor Baugh said he hopes he can come up with an idea to get the
funds for Riverside Drive before the end of this year and he'll bring it up on
the next Council agenda. Mr. Scherz referred to the problem with Park Avenue
and Mayor Baugh pointed out that's County property.
Mr. Scherz asked if they're making any changes and Mayor Baugh replied no.
Ms. Rickelman pointed out that if they don't adopt the resolution for a millage
rate, the County can adopt the rolled back rate and it will be a different amount.
She added that if they adopt the resolution to set the millage on September 24th,
the second column is what they'll pay for Edgewater's City taxes. There was
a discussion about the amounts for the County and the hearings held there. Mayor
Baugh suggested City Clerk Martinez research this to see if she can get information
on it and she can call him.
Freeman Newell, South Ridgewood, asked for clarification of 6.3 for this year and
5.9 for last year. Mayor Baugh explained the rolled back figure that the County
shows is 5.9, but we set ours at 6.3 per $1,000, the same as last year. He added
that the County said if they want to put it at 5.9, it will generate the same as
last year. He noted that if assessed value goes up, that portion will go up.
Mr. Newell stated that it's gone up for the last six years.
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Mrs. Yule, 3031 Royal Palm, asked who maintains the dirt roads and Mayor
Baugh replied the City crews. She asked what money is being appropriated
for grading since it's not City equipment. Mayor Baugh explained that it
is City equipment. Mrs. Yule stated it's a waste of time and suggested they
put stone down. Mayor Baugh explained the streets are shell, but the rains
wash it. She asked when she can expect asphalt, as the Council paved Indian
River Boulevard before they were elected. Mayor Baugh clarified that was
done by the State. She asked what streets were done and Ms. Ricke1man reviewed
a listing of those done. Mrs. Yule asked how they determine what streets are to
be paved and Mayor Baugh explained they get petitions from people who want it
done and they also look at the traffic, amount of people on the street, and then
get input from Department Heads.
Mrs. Yule then asked about an overall plan for fire hydrants. She referred to
a Queen Palm incident where they had to drag hose for two blocks. She stated
that she hasn't seen one for a six-block radius. Ms. Ricke1man pointed out the
Capital Improvement Program that was started includes hydrants. Mrs. Yule
asked for further information regarding compliance with State guidelines and
Mayor Baugh suggested she talk with the Utilities Superintendent Terry Wadsworth.
There was a brief discussion between Mrs. Yule and Mayor Baugh regarding the
lines in Florida Shores and proposed plans for improvements. Mrs. Yule asked
if there's anything that shows how money from impact fees is spent and Mayor
Baugh suggested she call City Clerk Martinez.
Charles Clark, 3110 India Palm, asked how much the assessments went up and Mayor
Baugh replied that everyone's is different. Ms. Ricke1man stated that it was
14.5% and includes new construction and annexation and additions and remodeling.
Mr. Clark suggested they look at the economy and pay increases nationally instead
of just saying they'll be the same as last year. Ms. Ricke1man explained that's
the increase in taxable value of last year. Mr. Clark stated it's 14!% more money
to work with in this budget over last year and Ms. Ricke1man agreed. Mr. Clark
stated that it's extravagant.
James Hatfield, 236 Old County Road, reviewed figures of previous budgets compared
to now. He asked why they'd pave the streets and put in sewers later and tear
up the street, as he'd heard Councilman Asting say. Councilman Asting stated that
he did not say that. There was a discussion between Councilman Asting and Mr.
Hatfield. Mr. Hatfield further reviewed figures of previous budgets, with Mayor
Baugh clarifying those figures in some instances. Mr. Hatfield stated that the
budget increased from the time Council took over and has doubled and he doesn't
see any improvements. Mr. Hatfield referred to Mockingbird Lane that the City
put in, and said he doesn't see double the service for double the taxes. He
again reviewed the budget when Council came into office compared to now, and said
priorities should be changed.
Gary Lamb, Fire Chief, stated that they'd come to a budget hearing they were
notified of and were told they'd be called back if they had to go over anything.
He said there were 3 or 4 items cut from their budget and he wasn't notified
they'd go over his budget again. He asked about the money from the County. Ms
Ricke1man replied that $32,000 is a budgeted item on the revenue side and it will
go to 4 line items in the budget. She itemized the breakdown. Chief Lamb questioned
why the Fire Department rents hydrants. Ms. Ricke1man replied that when there's
a fire, they go to the nearest hydrant and the Water Department supplies the water
but they have to pay $50 for the hydrant. She noted that the General Fund budget
pays hydrant rental to water and sewer, and they maintain them and provide the
water. Chief Lamb asked if they use $12,000 a year and Ms. Rickelman replied it's
$12,000 from the Fire Department General Fund budget and it goes to Water and
Wastewater enterprise fund and they provide the service and maintain the hydrants.
There was discussion about who checks the hydrants and provides maintenance.
Councilman Rotundo pointed out that all public buildings in this City pay their
share to the water and sewer departments and it's all metered and nothing is free.
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Gary Lamb, Fire Chief, (Continued) -
There was further discussion about the rental of the fire hydrants, and
Ms. Rickelman itemized the totals for operating supplies, vehicle repairs,
etc. as $33,000. She pointed out that last year they used the County funds
to refurbish the fire truck and the General Fund got nothing for providing
the service. Chief Lamb asked about $600 for overtime and Ms. Rickelman
explained one dispatcher is in the budget and if she's called out for any
overtime, she's paid from that budget because of the record keeping. Chief
Lamb asked what happens to it at the end of the year if it's not used and
Ms. Rickelman replied that it goes to surplus.
Chief Lamb reviewed the condition of the current bunker gear which is 3 years
old. He pointed out the people are in jeopardy if they have to go into a house
and the gear could burn. Ms. Rickelman stated that they'd talked to Morning
Pride and they told her there was no reason why that bunker gear isn't in good
shape and that any with holes could be repaired, but they had no requests for
repairs. She stated that they went to Fire Stations 1 and 2 to check out the
gear and they didn't see that many sets that were in bad shape to require $32,000
to buy new gear. Chief Lamb stated that he'd told them it would be $20,580 for
the new bunker gear. There was further discussion about the checking of the gear
and anticipated life expectancy of the gear. Mayor Baugh asked how many sets
are needed and Chief Lamb replied 8 firemen have new gear but he needs 30 sets
with the people he's picking up. Chief Lamb reviewed the types of materials for
the gear. Mayor Baugh requested that Chief Lamb get the information on the
life expectancy and if it's not safe and is outdated or there's a chance of
someone getting hurt by wearing this gear, he'd say yes to give them the gear.
He added that they'll bring it up at another meeting and will make a decision.
Chief Lamb then spoke on the money for land but not for a building. He reviewed
the anticipated growth in the south end of town. Councilman Asting stated that
they determined they could afford the land out of this budget and out of the next
budget they'll authorize the construction of the fire station. He pointed out
they had to go $150,000 into reserve funds to balance the budget and had to cut
many items, but they fully intend to support the volunteer fire department.
Mayor Baugh noted that it will be 6 or 7 months before the building expands into
that area. Councilman Asting said they plan to buy the land a member of the Fire
Department suggested at the southern end of Florida Shores and he liked the choice.
Chief Lamb asked if they'd lose the land if they decide not to build the building.
Mayor Baugh replied no, that's what it's being bought for.
Chief Lamb stated that he'll get the information on the bunker gear. Mayor Baugh
said he'd call a Special Meeting to sit down and discuss where it's coming from.
Freeman Newell, South Ridgewood, asked Council about the road built across the
ballfield. He asked who gave permission for this as the sprinklers go in the
middle of the road. Councilman Rotundo pointed out that land belongs to the
County and they wanted an access road to Turgot. Mr. Newell stated that the City
has a lease on it. Councilman Rotundo pointed out that's until they want to use
the land. Mayor Baugh explained that he met with the School Board representative,
Mr. Nadal and Dave Garrett and the road was proposed to go around the ballfield
and when he found out about the situation, he talked with a man at the school and
they put a stop to it the day they were putting it in. He added that he doesn't
know who granted permission to go across the field. Mr. Newell said he wants to
find out who did it and why it's there as the road shouldn't have been put there
in the first place. Mayor Baugh stated that this has nothing to do with the budget
ordinance and he suggested that Mr. Newell write a letter to Council to be on the
agenda and they'll bring it up then to get an answer for him. Mr. Newell stated
that it will cost about $2,000 to redo it, and he thinks Council knows a mistake
has been made. Mr. Newell said that regarding paving, the City doesn't help him
pave his place. Mayor Baugh pointed out it's not a public street. Mr. Newell
stated they don't get protection from the Police either.
Ken Newell, 305 Ann Street, asked if the road will be cleared up or if it will be
left the way it is. Mayor Baugh replied that he doesn't know, but he doesn't
like the way it was put in. He added that it's a 99-year lease there and they
have a right to accept or reject with certain notice about what is to be done there.
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Frank Roe, Juniper Drive, commended Council for the job they did this last
year and for putting $300,000 in the insurance pool which saves the City a
great deal of money. He said they deserve a vote of thanks, and it's a great
improvement and he wouldn't want to see it go back to the Council they had
before this election. Mayor Baugh thanked him.
Lisa Amundrud, Citizens Information and Referral Service of United Way, asked
about funding for the program for the 24-hour hot line. Mayor Baugh noted
that's just one line item and it's not individually listed. Ms. Amundrud
thanked Council for the contribution. City Clerk Martinez asked that she send
a request after October 1st.
Mayor Baugh requested a motion to go from the Public Hearing back into the
Special Meeting. Councilman Asting so moved. Councilman Rotundo seconded the
motion. Motion CARRIED 4-0.
Introduce Ord. 87-0-21 re: FY-1988 budget - Mayor Baugh stated this is first
reading. Ms. Rickelman read the Ordinance by title. Councilman Asting moved
to adopt the Ordinance. Councilman Rotundo seconded the motion. Motion
CARRIED 4-0.
Mayor Baugh requested a motion to adjourn. Councilman Rotundo so moved.
Councilman Mitchum seconded the motion. Meeting was adjourned at 8:45 P.M.
Minutes submitted by:
Lura Sue Koser
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