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02-22-1988 - Special o o CITY COUNCIL OF EDGEWATER SPECIAL MEETING FEBRUARY 22, 1988 MINUTES Mayor Earl Baugh called the meeting to order at 7:00 P.M. in the conference room in City Hall. He stated the purpose was to interview the top five candidates to select a Public Works Superintendent. ROLL CALL Mayor Earl Baugh Councilman Louis Rotundo Councilman Russell Prater Councilman Neil Asting Present Present Present Excused Councilman David Mitchum City Attorney Jose'Alvarez Acting City Clerk Wadsworth Chief Lawrence Schumaker Present Excused Present Excused Mayor Baugh stated he'd excused the Department Heads from this meeting. Anthony Chicerchia was the first applicant to be interviewed. Councilman Rotundo asked if he knew the situation about an employee having to move to the City, and Mr. Chicerchia replied he just built a new house. Mayor Baugh explained that it was just passed by the voters February 2nd that all Department Heads will live in the City. Mr. Chicerchia stated he's just been here seven months and lives in Deltona. Mayor Baugh asked if he'd built a new home and Mr. Chicerchia replied yes. Councilman Prater asked why he applied for this job and Mr. Chicerchia replied he has two more years minimum before he gets his pension and his children started school here with two more years in high school. He added that he worked 26 years in one place and 2 years with the school system and decided to retire from up north. Councilman Prater asked if he has any health problems and Mr. Chicerchia replied no, and he never took vacation time or sick time. Councilman Prater asked if he had problems with administering or discipline and Mr. Chicerchia replied none. Councilman Prater asked if has problems taking orders and Mr. Chicerchia replied no, and he took them for years from two women. Councilman Prater asked if he'd plan work assignments ahead or work day to day and Mr. Chicerchia replied he'd plan ahead unless there's an emergency. Councilman Prater asked if he foresees any problems with supervision of the Public Works Department and Mr. Chicerchia replied he doesn't know how many people are there, the pieces of equipment, and how much is contracted and how much is in house. Councilman Prater asked if he'd show favoritism in the department and Mr.Chicerchia replied no. Councilman Prater asked if he'd institute a training safety program and Mr. Chicerchia replied yes, adding that he noticed a lot of people here don't think safety and they're lax. Councilman Prater asked if he can take constructive criticism and Mr. Chicerchia replied yes. Councilman Prater asked if he'd ever been convicted of a felony or misdemeanor and Mr. Chicerchia replied no. Councilman Mitchum stated they have a CIP program that's getting ready to come into being with sewer and paving needs and he'll also be responsible for garbage collection. Mr. Chicerchia stated he's had 30 years experience with sewerage and plumbing and is a licensed plumber, but has had no experience with rubbish removal and doesn't know if the City is under contract for rubbish. Councilman Mitchum noted the City has its own. Councilman Mitchum asked if he has experience in paving and Mr. Chicerchia replied with asphalt at the school and at the State, but he just oversaw it and didn't physically do it. He added that he can read a transit. Councilman Mitchum asked about the residency requirement and Mr. Chicerchia replied that he doesn't think it was fair. Councilman Mitchum pointed out it was pending at the time and it will be a requirement. Mr. Chicerchia stated he'd have to set his children up in school again and they wanted to get their last two years in down here. o o Anthony Chicerchia (Continued) - Councilman Mitchum asked if he's in good health and Mr. Chicerchia said yes, the last time he was checked. Councilman Mitchum asked if he'd be able to give orders and Mr. Chicerchia replied he's very strict, and he had a council and had school budgets. He added that if he knows something is right, he should be able to tell them the right thing and it should be aired out. Mayor Baugh asked if he had any information about this job and Mr. Chicerchia replied he got the specifications. Mayor Baugh asked if he got any other information and Mr. Chicerchia replied no, but he took a ride and noted about 40% are dirt roads, and didn't know if it was private roads. He said he heard the roads get paved and people living on the streets pay for it. Mayor Baugh explained it's an assessment program and they pay their share. Mayor Baugh asked his experience in the engineering field and Mr. Chicerchia replied he was a licensed electrician for 15 years and licensed plumber for 30 years and did septic systems for 30 years. He noted they engineered septic systems and pump up systems, and added they bury the septic systems too deep here. Mayor Baugh noted that the ClP will deal with water and sewer and it's a big program. Mr. Chicerchia said it's better to go big now and not worry about it later. Mayor Baugh asked about operating or maintaining equipment and Mr. Chicerchia replied he took care of pope Ie under him in the serivce and they maintained the equipment in the school. Mayor Baugh asked about the safety program and Mr. Chicerchia replied they have to make sure the men are aware of safety and have safety shoes, leather gloves to keep away the Aids virus, etc., and he'd try to put something there for cleaning their hands. Mayor Baugh asked about gloves and Mr. Chicerchia replied they can't be cloth gloves but leather or something of that nature. Mayor Baugh stated the job is more than just supervisor of the Street Department and it takes in maintenance of vehicles for the Police Department and Water Department. Mr. Chicerchia asked the number of employees and Mayor Baugh replied about 40, and there are about 100 pieces of equipment. Mr. Chicerchia asked if there's a regular crew and Councilman Mitchum replied it's under the supervision of that department and the City does all its own maintenance and there are no private contractors. Mr. Chicerchia asked about the paving and Councilman Mitchum replied when they paved, they contracted soil cement and then the City topped it. There was a brief discussion of present paving equip- ment and knowledge of the operation of it and the type of streets done. Councilman Mitchum asked if he'd worked with the unions and Mr. Chicerchia replied every place he worked he was with a union, such as Teamsters, etc. Councilman Mitchum asked about handling disciplinary problems and Mr. Chicerchia reviewed the programs they used for alcoholism and the solution for stealing, noting it's according to the charge. Councilman Mitchum asked if he'd handle a disciplinary problem in house and Mr. Chicerchia replied he'd handle it in house at first to keep it amongst themselves and keep a record of it to go from verbal to written and then on to the union according to what the contract says. Councilman Rotundo asked if he'd worked with budgets and Mr. Chicerchia replied a 2~ million dollar budget. Mayor Baugh asked if he prepared it and Mr. Chicerchia replied it was for 16 employees and maintenance for 8 buildings. He added that he bought his own equipment and had to go through a board after a certain limit. Councilman Rotundo noted that it's $2,000 here. Mr. Chicerchia said his brother lives in Longwood and his family is down here. Councilman Prater asked if he's employed now and Mr. Chicerchia replied no. Councilman Mitchum asked how long he's been here and Mr. Chicerchia replied seven months. Councilman Rotundo asked if he could start in a week or two if chosen and Mr. Chicerchia replied yes, but he'd have to get an agreement about moving. Mayor Baugh asked his hobbies and Mr. Chicerchia replied the TV and car races, but he doesn't drink or smoke. Councilman Rotundo asked his children's ages and Mr. Chicerchia replied 15 and 16. Mayor Baugh thanked him for coming and advised him he'd be contacted about Council's choice. -2- Council Special Meeting Minutes February 22, 1988 o o Mayor Baugh recessed the meeting at 7:18 P.M. to await the next applicant. He called the meeting back to order at 7:19 P.M. Carl Overstreet was the second applicant to be interviewed. Mayor Baugh reviewed the interview procedure with him. Councilman Prater asked why he applied for the job. Mr. Overstreet replied he got a job description and read it over and didn't see anything he wasn't fully qualified to do and it's the type of work he enjoys. He said he felt he's going to live in this area the rest of his days and felt he could be useful to the City, Councilman Prater asked if he has any health problems and Mr. Overstreet replied none at all, but he's on disabled veterans list with a 10% disability for scar tissue on his leg and foot, but it doesn't hinder him at all. He added that he's a Viet Nam vet. Councilman Prater asked if he'd move to Edgewater if selected and Mr. Overstreet replied that the people he'd be working for mandated it and he'd move. Mayor Baugh asked if he'd move here if not mandated and Mr. Overstreet replied probably because his son and grandchildren live in Edgewater now. Councilman Prater asked if he'd have problems with administering and discipline and Mr. Overstreet replied no, and in Saudi Arabia he had 30 to 40 people working for him, some of different nationalities. Councilman Prater asked if he has problems with taking orders and Mr. Overstreet replied no. Councilman Prater asked if he'll plan work assignments ahead or work day to day. Mr. Overstreet replied he'd try to work day to day and program to get a reason- able budget for time and money. He added he'll have a long range plan on the side. Councilman Prater asked if he foresees any problems with supervision of the Public Works Department. Mr. Overstreet replied not really, but he doesn't know the personnel there now. Councilman Prater asked if he'd show favoritism in the department and Mr. Over- street replied the only person he shows favoritism to is the secretary who keeps him out of trouble, or whoever has the administrative job. Councilman Prater asked if he approves instituting a training safety program and Mr. Overstreet replied he's a firm believer in safety, and lost manhours are a vital element, especially with handling equipment and in mechanics and in the field. Councilman Prater asked if he can take constructive criticism and Mr. Overstreet replied yes, but he doesn't enjoy it. Councilman Prater asked if he'd ever been convicted of a felony or misdemeanor and Mr. Overstreet replied no. Councilman Mitchum asked for a brief history and background, and noted this job entails fleet maintenance, the paving program that's on hold now but should be picking back up after the CIP program, with sewers, drainage, and rubbish and garbage pick up. Mr. Overstreet stated that he was raised on a ranch/farm combination before going into the service, and he went to heavy equipment operator school in the service and became a qualified operator and worked his way up and became an equipment supervisor to build roads, air fields, and streets. He said he then made a career change to vehicle equipment maintenance and the next five years were at Fort Stuart, Georgia, with 13 satellite stations under him. He added that he spent three years in Saudi Arabia for field repairs and pre- ventive maintenance programs for heavy construction equipment. He stated the highlight was being in Thailand to build 52 miles of all weather road where there had been an oxen cart lane. He stated '~hat locally he'd worked for Guaranteed Paving and Asphalt in Port Orange and ran all the equipment and maintained it for him, plus worked in batch plants before they were computerized. Councilman Mitchum asked his administrative experience in budgeting. Mr. Over- street reviewed that at Fort Stuart he had to budget for repair parts and fuel and was readiness officer and had to have sufficient personnel and equipment ready for combat at all times. He added that he's very cost conscious, and has studied manuals for reference parts to cut down on stock and shelf life. -3- Council Special Meeting Minutes February 22, 1988 o o Carl Overstreet (Continued) - Councilman Mitchum asked about discipline as he'll be working with a union and perhaps his military background would be a problem. Mr. Overstreet said he doesn't think there'll be a problem as he had to work with 173 civilians at one time and had to go before the board a couple of times because he was too military. Councilman Mitchum asked how long he'd been in military and Mr. Overstreet replied 27 years, but now he's had 12 years to cool off. Mayor Baugh asked what rank he was at when he left the service replied he was in the Army and left as Chief Warrant Officer. changes he made in his military career. Mayor Baugh asked what type of equipment he operated and Mr. Overstreet replied rollers, graders and dozers in the service and in civilian, and they had a drag box and grader and bulldozer and dump trucks used on a daily basis. and Mr. Overstreet He reviewed the Mayor Baugh asked if he was given any information when he applied and if he checked out what the City offers. Mr. Overstreet replied he picked up the job description and didn't ask any other questions at that time. Mayor Baugh asked if he's familiarized himself now and Mr. Overstreet replied he nosed around a bit. Mayor Baugh said he felt that's important. Mr. Overstreet stated that he didn't want to offend anyone. Mayor Baugh asked what he'd do if he (the Mayor) asked him to do something that he didn't think was the right thing. Mr. Overstreet replied that if he felt it would mess up a program or make him look bad, he'd talk with him about it. Mayor Baugh asked if he'll talk with him instead of going to other people and Mr. Overstreet replied yes because when it's done, it's his responsibility and if it will create a problem, it's his duty to point out why it will create the problem. Mayor Baugh asked if he'll go over his head to the City Manager and Mr. Overstreet replied he likes the chain of command and finds it works very well, and you can only work for one person, and if the City Manager is going to be his boss, then the job should be delegated to him, but there are always circum- stances, such as emergencies. He added that he doesn't like going over his head. Mayor Baugh asked how he'd implement a safety program and Mr. Overstreet replied you can't let oil and grease lay on the floor as it's a hazard for anyone working there and good housekeeping is a must. He added that sometimes it needs a sign or making people aware there's a problem, especially around the fuel dump where condensation can create a real safety hazard. Mayor Baugh asked his experience with engineering or with a transit. Mr. Over- street replied he put in school grounds and haul roads where he was the senior person on the project and can use a level. Councilman Prater asked about the notes on his application regarding education and Mr. Overstreet replied it's so many hours and they contract with different colleges to run their educational programs. Mayor Baugh thanked him for coming for the interview and advised him they'd let him know the decision. Mayor Baugh called a short recess at 7:40 P.M. He called the meeting back to order at 7:43 P.M. Robert Holderby was the third applicant to be interviewed. Mayor Baugh explained the interview procedure. Councilman Prater asked why he applied for this job. Mr. Holderby replied he moved here in 1986 because they like it and with the projected growth for this area, he felt it would be a challenge for everyone concerned. He reviewed prev- ious experience with a failing business that he made profitable, and said he'd like to work about 8 years or so and knows it will take a lot of planning and foresight and a lot of work. Councilman Prater asked if he has any health problems and Mr. Holderby replied no. Councilman Prater asked about administering or disciplining problems and Mr. Holderby replied no, and he's had military background and in his private business he had no problems. -4- Council Special Meeting Minutes February 22, 1988 o o Robert Holderby (Continued) - Councilman Prater asked if he has problems taking orders and Mr. Holderby replied no. Councilman Prater asked if he'll plan work assignments ahead or work day to day and Mr. Holderby replied he'd plan ahead to be flexible to handle it if someone is off sick or if something comes up at the spur of the moment. Councilman Prater asked if he foresees any problems with supervision of Public Works and Mr. Holderby replied no. Councilman Prater asked if he'd show favoritism in the department and Mr. Holderby replied he doesn't show favoritism and never has. Councilman Prater asked if he approves instituting safety programs and Mr. Holderby replied it's a must and he had mechanics and welders and cross trained them as it's essential to the safety program and essential because lost manhours cost money regardless of the compassion of the situation. Councilman Prater asked if he can take constructive criticism and Mr. Holderby replied yes. Councilman Prater asked if he'd ever been charged with a felony or misdemeanor and Mr. Holderby replied no. Councilman Mitchum pointed out the job entails the start of a CIP program with sewer and drainage for a big area, plus they have about 75 miles of unpaved streets. He added that's a lot of maintenance on a lot of equipment and this job also has garbage collection. He asked for a background of his expertise and a brief history of how it would relate to this job and what makes him qualified. Mr. Holderby stated they manufactured dump bodies and flat beds for trucks and made modifications and did hydraulic and engine repair on heavy equipment. He said he engineered dump bodies and can build their own for $2,500 in 56 manhours. He said he doesn't work from a desk and has a hands on picture of things and can do the work. He added he's not a diesel engine mechanic but can do most of the other work and can weld enough to keep things stuck together. He said he can plan and program and budget and stay within the budget and coordinate between the various activities. Councilman Mitchum asked if he's familiar with budgeting with his own business and Mr. Holderby replied yes, but he'd have to do some homework, and in the military they did their own budgets quarterly and his budget ran 3 to 3~ million annually and he had to stay within the budget each quarter. Councilman Mitchum asked about discipline and working with unions because most of the employees are in the union. Mr. Holderby replied he didn't work directly with unions but it would be no different because they'd have established policies. Councilman Mitchum asked if he's a strict disciplinarian and Mr. Holderby replied it depends on circumstances and as long as a person is properly informed, he's responsible, and if he continues to fail, then it's time to put someone there who won't fail. Mayor Baugh asked his experience with engineering because the CIP will have to do with a lot of paving, water, sewer, and drainage. Mr. Holderby replied he's familiar with engineering and built 12 sites in Viet Nam when they put their own drainage and pads in to set up their radar equipment. Mayor Baugh asked if he can operate any type of heavy equipment and Mr. Holderby replied he can drive heavy equipment and maneuver a grader, back hoe, drag, and box scraper, but he isn't an operator. Mayor Baugh asked what he'd do if he asked him to do something and he thought it might be wrong. Mr. Holderby replied he'd clarify it with him, but if he's the boss, that's the way it goes. Mayor Baugh asked if he thinks it's wrong, will he still do it and Mr. Holderby replied he'd point out that he thought it might be some other way, depending on circumstances, but if he tells him to do it, he does it. Mayor Baugh stated they're going to hire a City manager who would be the boss and would he go to the City Manager with a response to a request or would he respond to him. Mr. Holderby replied he'll call the City Manager if he's going to answer to him and wants his approval or disapproval. -5- Council Special Meeting Minutes February 22, 1988 o o Robert Holderby (Continued) - Mayor Baugh asked if he's familiar with paving and the soil cement method used for paving the streets. Mr. Holderby replied only generally, and he couldn't direct someone about the mixtures. Mayor Baugh asked if he's in favor of setting up a program on safety and Mr. Holderby replied yes. Mayor Baugh asked if he'd strictly enforce the current safety program and Mr. Holderby replied yes, and will look at it as soon as possible as he thinks he saw some violations in the program. Mr. Holderby stated he's not looking for an income as he has income from prior careers and would be willing to work for minimum for five years and not worry about increases and doesn't need medical insurance because he has it and that would save money also. He added he could build and engineer any truck bodies the City might need, and he's confident he can find ways and means of reducing expenses if given 60-90 days to look at it. Mayor Baugh thanked him for coming and said they'll advise him the outcome. Mayor Baugh called a recess at 8:00 P.M. to await the next applicant's arrival. He called the meeting back to order at 8:08 P.M. Steve Parnell was the fourth applicant to be interviewed. Mayor Baugh explained the interview procedure. Councilman Prater asked why he'd applied for this job. Mr. Parnell replied he works for Parnell Well Drilling and it was a whim to apply and then he read in the paper he was a finalist and never expected to go this far. Councilman Prater asked if he has any health problems and Mr. Parnell replied no. Councilman Prater asked if he foresees problems with administering or discipline and Mr. Parnell replied no. Councilman Prater asked if he has any problems taking orders and Mr. Parnell replied no, he works for his father. Councilman Prater asked if he'll plan work assignments ahead or work day to day and Mr. Parnell replied he'll plan ahead. Councilman Prater asked if he foresees any problems with supervision of Public Works and Mr. Parnell replied not when he gets used to the job. Councilman Prater asked if he shows favoritism and Mr.Parnell replied he does not believe he'd do that and doesn't do it at work now. Councilman Prater asked if he approves instituting a training safety program and Mr. Parnell replied that will help if there's a way to to it. Councilman Prater asked if he can take constructive criticism and Mr. Parnell replied yes. Councilman Prater asked if he'd ever been charged with a felony or a mis- demeanor and Mr. Parnell replied no. Councilman Rotundo asked what equipment he runs now and Mr. Parnell replied any piece of heavy equipment, such as bulldozers, drag machines and rollers. Councilman Rotundo asked if he operates and maintains them and Mr. Parnell replied yes. Mayor Baugh asked if he feels he's good at it and Mr. Parnell replied yes. Councilman Mitchum asked if he works in a supervisory job now and how many are under his supervision. Mr. Parnell replied there are only 3 under him now and they'd done sewer and utilities at Hidden Pines and had 8 people. Councilman Mitchum asked about discipline problems and Mr. Parnell replied he never had problems with men working for him. Councilman Mitchum pointed out this will be about 40 people and asked if he foresees any problems. Mr. Parnell replied he worked in Miami with 16 people under him and never had any problems. Councilman Mitchum asked if he knows anyone in Public Works and Mr. Parnell replied no, the only one he knows is Terry Wadsworth. -6- Council Special Meeting Minutes February 22, 1988 o Q Steve Parnell (Continued) - Mayor Baugh asked his age and Mr. Parnell replied 28. Mayor Baugh asked if he's had experience in the engineering field, such as with plans, and Mr. Parnell replied yes, he can read plans but never drew them up. Mayor Baugh asked if he can shoot a transit and Mr. Parnell said yes. Mayor Baugh asked what he'd do if he asked him to do something he thought was wrong. Mr. Parnell asked if it would be within the work line and Mayor Baugh replied if it weren't a good idea or not a benefit to the City, but he was asked to do it. Mr. Parnell replied he'd try to reason it out and show his side of why he doesn't think it would be a good thing, but will try to see his side and reason it out between the two of them. Mayor Baugh stated the people voted for a City Manager and he would be the supervisor. He asked if he'd go talk with the City Manager if asked to do something by him, and Mr. Parnell replied he'd have to go talk with him if he's the boss. Mayor Baugh asked if he's familiar with streets and Mr. Parnell replied he did a little in Miami but he's not a paving man. Mayor Baugh noted the City has paving equipment and asked if he can familiarize himself to lay down a road and Mr. Parnell replied yes. Councilman Mitchum stated this job supervises about 40 people and he'll have to be a jack-of-all-trades with the ClP program and sewer and drainage, and he'll be in charge of garbage. He asked his background and a brief history of what he's done and how it would relate to this job. Mr. Parnell replied that since high school he's worked with sewer and water underground utilities and worked with all heavy equipment and can run it, and did a little paving and can do a good job. He said he worked in Miami and Jacksonville with underground utilities with water and drainage and can work with manholes and catch basins and retention areas. He added that he'd have to learn about garbage. Councilman Mitchum pointed out that vehicle maintenance is involved and Mr. Parnell replied he does most of the upkeep on the backhoe but doesn't do trans- mission changes. Councilman Mitchum questioned if he's had a lot of experience with disciplinary problems and if he'd keep his cool if under fire. Mr. Parnell replied they drill wells and put in sprinkler systems and people complain and argue about it but he doesn't cuss at them or act like an idiot. Councilman Prater asked how long he's lived in this area and Mr. Parnell replied all his life. Councilman Rotundo asked if he can handle the budget of over 1 million dollars a year and Mr. Parnell replied he thinks he could, but someone will have to show him the first time and that will probably be the hardest part of the job. Councilman Mitchum asked if his business has a budget, as in October he has to decide the budget for the next year for vehicle maintenance, personnel, and new equipment needed. Mr. Parnell replied they don't do it on a yearly basis as they work with bid jobs and go job to job and figure three months ahead. Mayor Baugh thanked him for coming and advised him they'll let him know a decision. Mayor Baugh called a short recess at 8:20 P.M. to await the next applicant's arrival. He called the meeting back to order at 8:33 P.M. Bobby McFarland was the fifth and last applicant to be interviewed. Mayor Baugh reviewed the interview procedure. Councilman Prater asked why he'd applied for this job. Mr. McFarland replied he's familiar with this type of job with almost 10 years with the City and the business he's in now with his family is phasing out and he thought he'd try this opportunity. Councilman Prater asked if he has any health problems and Mr. McFarland replied no. Councilman Prater asked if he sees any problems with administering or discipline and Mr. McFarland replied none at all. -7- Council Special Meeting Minutes February 22, 1988 o o Bobby McFarland (Continued) - Councilman Prater asked if he has problems taking orders and Mr. McFarland replied no. Councilman Prater asked if he'll plan work assignments ahead or work day to day and Mr. McFarland replied he'll plan ahead with five-year goals with the refuse department as with Edgewater Landings they have to budget for that in the future to be ready for it. Councilman Prater asked if he foresees any problems with supervision of the Public Works Department and Mr. McFarland replied he doesn't know what's going on now. Councilman Prater asked if he'd show favoritism in the department and Mr. McFarland replied he will not show any favoritism. Councilman Prater asked if he approves instituting a training safety program and Mr. McFarland replied yes and they'd go into an emergency program for hurricane readiness along with any type of emergency with a crew that's trained and specialized to go out at nights and key personnel to handle certain phases of it, plus a general safety program all the time. Councilman Prater asked if he can take constructive criticism and Mr. McFarland replied yes. Councilman Prater asked if he was ever charged with a felony or misdemeanor and Mr. McFarland replied no. Councilman Rotundo asked if he'd worked with the budget when he was with the City before and Mr. McFarland replied several times, and probably three years in a row for the whole budget, and they have to look down the road five years at a time and not just look at that year's budget. Councilman Mitchum asked if he was supervisory with the City and Mr. McFarland replied for about three years. Councilman Mitchum asked if it was with Public Works and does he know anyone presently working in Public Works. Mr. McFarland replied he probably knows half of them from working with them. Councilman Mitchum asked if he's familiar with the CIP program they're getting ready to institute that's mostly sewer and drainage and then followed with paving. He asked if he's familiar with garbage collection from before. He then asked for a brief rundown of what he did over the last few years and what would make him qualified and how it would relate to this job. Mr. McFarland replied he's a life time resident of Florida and was in construction except for the years with the City. He said he's worked land clearing and retention and roads and everything about layouts for roads with the drainage, replacing culverts, types of soil in this area, and the Florida Shores lakes were all dug by his father. He said he knows what's over the intersections and where trees are buried and hard pan areas. Councilman Mitchum asked if there was a union when he worked for the City before and Mr. McFarland replied the last five years. Councilman Mitchum asked if he was part of the union and Mr. McFarland replied yes, and it was separate for supervisors. Councilman Mitchum asked if he could handle the discipline as it's a big transition from being in the union and then a Department Head. Mr. McFarland replied the union has a lot of authority, but only so far and you talk to the people and stop anything that gets too far and handle it internally and then if necessary, it can go out. He added he feels he can handle anything internally. Councilman Mitchum asked if he's handled all sorts of heavy equipment and Mr. McFarland replied yes. Mayor Baugh asked what he'd do if he asked him to do something and he felt it was wrong. Mr. McFarland replied it depends on what it was, but would have to use his own judgement. Mayor Baugh asked if he'd do it just because he asked him to and Mr. McFarland replied no. Mayor Baugh asked if he'd try to change his mind and Mr. McFarland replied if he didn't think it was right, he'd talk to him but if it was absolutely that it had to be done, he'd consider it if it was important. -8- Council Special Meeting Minutes February 22, 1988 o o Bobby McFarland (Continued) Mayor Baugh said the City Manager will be the supervisor of the Department Heads and asked if he'd discuss it with the City Manager or with him if he asked him directly. Mr. McFarland replied he'd discuss it with him. Mayor Baugh asked if he has engineering experience and knows he can shoot the streets. Mr. McFarland replied it's mostly in the field and he's not an engineer. Mayor Baugh noted it takes a certain part of engineering for culverts or pipes across a street. Mr. McFarland said he could do that and could probably layout a road completely without any problems because it doesn't take an engineer for that as they go by prints if they have a layout to do. Mayor Baugh asked how he'd go about enforcing the safety program or changing it. Mr. McFarland replied he'd train with key personnel watching and drivers and employees and would use pamphlets and meetings. Mayor Baugh asked if he'd have a problem with disciplinary action if there's a violation of the safety code and Mr. McFarland replied no and he should be cited as someone else could get involved in an accident. Mayor Baugh asked if he left to go with the family business and Mr. McFarland replied yes. Mayor Baugh thanked him for coming and stated he'd be advised of the decision. Mayor Baugh asked for Council's choices. Councilman Prater's choices were: l-Carl Overstreet, 2-Robert Holderby, 3-Anthony Chicerchia, 4-Steve Parnell, and 5-Bobby McFarland. Councilman Rotundo's choices were: l-Carl Overstreet, and 2-Bobby McFarland. Councilman Mitchum's choices were: l-Carl Overstreet, and 2-Robert Holderby. Mayor Baugh's choices were: l-Carl Overstreet, 2-Bobby McFarland, and 3-Robert Holderby. It was unanimous that Carl Overstreet was the first choice and Mayor Baugh recommended they set up a time to discuss this with him and do a background check and offer him the position pending the outcome of the background with a probationary period of six months. He requested a motion to contact Mr. Overstreet to tell him he's the choice and to set up another meeting to go over the details. Councilman Mitchum so moved. Councilman Prater seconded the motion. Motion CARRIED 4-0. It was agreed to set the meeting for 6:00 P.M. on Monday, February 29th in the conference room of City Hall to negotiate with Mr. Overstreet. Paul Kasko, News Journal reporter, asked if he's hired pending the background investigation and Mayor Baugh replied it can be during the probationary period. There was a discussion about the second choice being named. Councilman Mitchum suggested they leave it to the two as second choice (Robert Holderby and Bobby McFarland) and go for interviews if necessary, and he made that in the form of a motion. Councilman Rotundo seconded the motion. Motion CARRIED 4-0. Mayor Baugh requested a motion to adjourn. Councilman Prater so moved. Council- man Mitchum seconded the motion. Meeting was adjourned at 9:02 P.M. Minutes submitted by: Lura Sue Koser ~ vL/L.J ~ ~~ (..1- CIty CLERK Ac ~j,.ng) APP~d t is I day of '//2~L , 198L. {!-,,~ MAY CO Y~J -9- Council Special Meeting Minutes February 22, 1988