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CITY COUNCIL OF EDGEWATER
REGULAR MEETING
FEBRUARY 10, 1988
MINUTES
CALL TO ORDER
Mayor Baugh called the meeting to order at 7:00 P.M. in the Community Center.
ROLL CALL
Mayor Earl
Councilman
Councilman
Councilman
Baugh
Louis Rotundo
Russell Prater
Neil Asting
Present
Present
Present
Present
Councilman David Mitchum
City Attorney Jose'Alvarez
City Clerk Connie Martinez
Chief Lawrence Schumaker
Present
Arrived Later
Present
Present
INVOCATION, SALUTE TO THE FLAG
Reverend Harvey Hardin, retired Methodist minister, delivered the invocation.
There was a salute to the Flag.
City Attorney Alvarez arrived at the meeting at this time, 7:03 P.M.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Regular Meeting of February 1, 1988 - Councilman Asting moved they adopt the
minutes. Councilman Prater seconded the motion. Motion CARRIED 5-0.
BILLS AND ACCOUNTS
Councilman Rotundo moved they pay these bills. Councilman Prater seconded the
motion. Motion CARRIED 5-0.
MISCELLANEOUS
Norman Billups, 1860 Pine Tree, stated they can't stifle, control, or stop
growth, but they can plan for it and manage it. He said present CIP planning and
executions are a must and there should be no more patching. He added they needa
professional with a B.S. degree in Business Administration and a Masters' in City
Manager plus other professionally trained key City personnel to handle the over
20 million dollar plus of needed City services.
Mr. Billups stated that on November 9, 1987, he wrote a letter and it was published
in the News and Observer, addressing a series of questions to Councilman Asting.
He displayed the letter as Exhibit 1. He stated that copies were given to the
City Council and City Attorney at the regular meeting of November 16, 1987, and
to date no replies have been received from Councilman Asting. He stated that
$134,888 plus of taxpayers' money has been wasted on street paving equipment
which is rusting away for lack of use. He said it's incompetent and criminal for
public officials to do this, especially if it were an allegedly ulterior motive
to influence voters for re-election. He stated Councilman Asting and the City
Clerk/Administrator were the prime movers behind this waste and they were to
blame for the super sales pitch and arm twisting of other members of Council.
He added that Council must rely and act on information and recommendations given
to them or withheld by the City Clerk/Administrator. He said he has documen-
tation for their inspection and those are Exhibit 2, with minutes of meetings of
February 21, 1985, March 4, 1985, April 15, 1985 and April 18, 1985.
Mr. Billups stated that results of the February 2, 1988, referendum can only be
interpreted as a measure of dissatisfaction expressed by the people with the way
the Council has performed in the past and they must make instant changes in the
way business is conducted.
Mr. Billups suggested Council review and bring up to date by an appointed
committee who will submit to Council, the City Charter. He added that the Charter
was presented to voters and turned down by 11 votes in the election of July, 1982.
Mr. Billups stated that organizational tables and flow charts should be estab-
lished to show at a glance the jobs and duties of various Department Heads and
lines of authority and communication, both up and down the line. He
added that all Boards should be outlined in that same manner.
Mr. Billups stated the time has come for the elected officials to see how strong
they can be. He said Councilman Asting and the City Clerk/Administrator have had
ample time to reply to all questions and have chosen to remain silent and/or
tried to confuse the issue, exhibit 4.
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MISCELLANEOUS (Continued) -
Norman Billups (Continued) - Mayor Baugh called a time limit to see if
Council wanted to hear more. Councilman Asting replied that he wants to
respond. Tom Sheridan, from the audience, asked to give his time to Mr.
Billups and Mayor Baugh replied no. There was no objection for Mr. Billups
to continue.
Mr. Billups referred to the February 7, 1988, article in the Sentinel Star
and the February 10, 1988, article in the News Journal, both similar material
related to Bill Klein. He said he assumed Asting and Company could be guilty
of throwing out a red herring to further confuse the main issues. He asked
how much more the citizens should endure, and said their immediate resignation
should be requested and/or censured by motion and vote by the City Council.
Councilman Asting asked Mr. Billups if they should continue road paving and
then take them up again to do the sewers. Mr. Billups replied he was talking
about the past and Councilman Asting stated they paved 10 miles with the equip-
ment and saved $2.60 per foot compared to the contractor's bid amounts, and they
stopped because they received two letters from the Health Department stating
they have to go into a sewer program for Florida Shores. He added they still
have 80 miles of Florida Shores to be paved using City equipment and it will
save the City 1.1 million dollars. Mr. Billups stated that's not the issue.
Councilman Asting and Mr. Billups continued with discussion regarding the paving
equipment and Mr. Billups asked why the people weren't informed.
Glenn Storch, Attorney with Owens & Storch, stated he spoke with the Attorney
regarding the performance bond and has been requested to put additional language
in the bond providing for an additional engineering review and he has no objection to it.
Frank Roe, 2732 Juniper Drive, stated that people should get their facts
straight before speaking to Council because a lot of people don't understand it.
He recalled that people from Florida Shores demanded they have their roads paved
and Council did it and now others find fault with it. He stated that the City
Clerk doesn't spend money and neither does one man on Council, and all of Council
spends the money and they're trying to do a good job.
Mercedes Hoffman, 208 Lee Drive, asked Mayor Baugh if he recalls prior to the
election making the statement that if he were elected, regardless of whether the
City Clerk was doing an excellent job or not, but doing her job, he said the number
one priority was Connie, get rid of Connie. Mayor Baugh replied no. Mrs. Hoffman
asked if he recalled and Mayor Baugh replied no, he never said that. Mrs. Hoffman
stated she recalls it very well and it's so vivid in her memory it's like it
happened yesterday, and he doesn't recall it. Mayor Baugh stated he never said
that. Mrs. Hoffman stated he said getting rid of Connie is #1 and she asked that
he think about it.
JoAnne Sikes, 125 East Palm Way, City employee, said what Mrs. Hoffman said was
told her by Mayor Baugh in the Library and he also told her the City Attorney
would also be got rid of because they were involved when he was fired. Mayor Baugh
stated if he wanted to get rid of Mrs. Martinez, he'd have done it 3 years ago and
he'd asked the City Attorney to resign. City Attorney Alvarez agreed. Mayor Baugh
advised Mrs. Sikes that he remembers telling her about the City Attorney. Mrs.
Sikes asked if he remembers telling her and Mayor Baugh replied no, not getting
rid of Mrs. Martinez. Mrs. Sikes stated that was exactly what he said.
Mrs. Sikes stated that they had dirt roads when they moved to Edgewater and they
paid for them to be paved and sewers to be put in, and people in Florida Shores
moved on dirt roads and a prior Council only wanted Magnuson to build and didn't
set rules and didn't enforce anything, and it's a shame people have to pay for it
now in this manner.
Mrs. Sikes stated they tore down morale
and it's a shame.
in City Hall and with City employees
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Mel Wargo, 2 Pinesedge Court, stated he was a part of all this and they had to
pay for a paving program the previous Council started and they didn't know how
to do it legally and it ended up assessing the property owners. He referred to
the paving at that time done by Community Development. He said he was told
EPA was here 10 years ago and they said something had to be done about Florida
Shores sewers because it would be a health problem.
Mr. Wargo stated that he made the motion that Earl Baugh be terminated on the
basis of the Tucker Report but he wasn't the one who brought Tucker in, it
was Gigi Bennington and the City Clerk/Administrator who took care of it and
brought Tucker here.
Mr. Wargo stated he thinks it's time something was done as when they appointed
Connie Martinez the City Administrator they didn't give her all the powers she
has now, she just took them. He referred to a previous incident with Mrs.
Martinez regarding the hiring of a Policeman, and her statement that she didn't
like the Chief making more money than she did and he was then harrassed so much
he was fired.
Mr. Wargo stated that when the rumor went around when he was on Council that
they would fire Connie Martinez, about 70 employees showed up to intimidate the
Council and it appears the same thing is happening at this meeting. He referred
to an individual who approached a Council member on how to vote and the person
is working for the City. He noted that he'd been reminded that several Policemen
had wanted to talk with him but they couldn't because of a rule and they were
indignant. He said it's the same problem allover again. He stated that Council
should run this City to their best ability and not be intimidated by anybody,
and the door swings both ways and anybody that doesn't like it can leave.
Chuck Chamberlin, New Smyrna Beach, employee of Public Works Department of Edge-
water, stated he's the employees' Association representative. He stated he's
sat at the bargaining table with Connie Martinez in negotiations and they've had
differences of opinion, but his personal opinion is she is doing an outstanding
job in the capacity she holds and has received awards for that, and she was told
by higher officials to do something and then is chastised by Council and citizens.
Phyllis Woodard, 25-year resident, stated it's rumored allover the City they're
out for a witch hunt and will have a 3-2 vote. She said she's agreed and dis-
agreed with Connie Martinez, and she's been in the business for years and experi-
ence can payoff over those who get a B.A. or Master's, or whatever.
Mrs. Woodard stated that rumors are the gentleman who instigated the petition,
Bill Klein, may get this position, and she asked if people would have signed it
if that were the case. Mayor Baugh stated for the record that in no way has he
ever, or will he, consider Mr. Klein for that position of City Manager. He added
a lot has been said and he talked nothing about the position of City Manager and
he doesn't feel at this time he would consider him for it as they need to go for
a professional City Manager through the State Association and nationwide if they
have to. Mrs. Woodard asked how much more a City Manager could do than Connie
Martinez. Mayor Baugh replied that later on he'll be happy to reply to her.
Mrs. Woodard stated she just had her street paved and is paying monthly and is
happy because whe was tired of eating dust. She pointed out that the Charter
states when action is taken without going to a vote, such as when Florida Shores
was incorporated, the City must maintain water, sewer, etc., and the citizens
didn't vote for Florida Shores to be annexed into the City.
Harold Hardester asked to defer his time to item 9.D. (Consideration and action
on Resolutions 87-R-16 and 84-R-60). Mayor Baugh asked for Council objections
and there were none.
Bill Klein, 2910 Needle Palm, stated he was highly upset when reading the papers.
He said he did what was needed as one individual and didn't do it alone as many
people assisted h~m. He said he has no intention of ever making application for
the City Manager job at this time or any other time and wouldn't accept the job
if offered to him. He told Councilman Asting that he didn't talk to any Council
member concerning any job. Councilman Asting said he's glad to hear that. Mr.
Klein said he was never approached by them but has received phone calls and been
approached on the streets but he will not now, or in the future, make application.
Mr. Klein referred to mail sent to him regarding a seminar, which upset him.
He asked if he could defer time to items 9.A. and B. (City Manager items). Mayor
Baugh asked for Council objections and there were none.
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MISCELLANEOUS (Continued) -
Dominick Fazzone, 302 Paradise, Shangri-La Village, stated he's been here 3~
years and has come to know many officials of Council, and they've had problems
with Shangri-La with flooding on paved streets with sewers and retention ponds.
He said he has talked with Connie Martinez and at all times City Hall has been
open to him. He said he's had cooperation from the Mayor, the City Attorney,
Councilman Asting, Councilman Rotundo and the Engineer hired on a part time
basis. He thanked the staff and Connie and the Police Chief regarding problems
concerning dogs and other items.
Tom Sheridan, Florida Shores, stated he heard the discussion between Councilman
Asting and Norman Billups regarding the reason they stopped paving and he wasn't
aware of the reason and he's around City Hall a lot. Councilman Asting pointed
out it was done in a public meeting about June of 1986. Mr. Sheridan asked if
they have to attend meetings to get the information and Councilman Asting replied
it's a public forum when City administrative matters are discussed. Mr. Sheridan
questioned why the reporters didn't publicize it since they were there.
Mr. Sheridan stated that Bill Klein had a lot of help and he was part of it.
He said the City has a 6~ million dollar budget and it cannot be run by amateurs.
He said money is pouring out with nothing constructive and they need professional
help and need it now and the longer they continue with amateurs running the City
government, the more taxes will increase. He said people want Council to do the
job they were elected to do and they got the message with the referendum vote.
Frank Opal, Florida Shores, stated the vote on February 2nd was a devastating
reflection on what the people want and don't want. He referred to a previous
Councilman whose wife is dead now but came to meetings drunk. He said workers
and staff should live in the City. He added they pay taxes and somebody else
benefits. He said the increase of 24% in taxes over the last two years was
deliberately perpetrated by half a handful of Council.
Mr. Opal stated the name for the recreational park on Roberts Road in the flood
plain area is called the Swamp Land Park and it should be buried in the cemetery.
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Mr. Opal referred to a rumor about Connie Martinez and Dennis Fischer arranging
a meeting and talking to some new engineer they have in mind. He asked her if
that's true. City Clerk Martinez replied she has no idea what he's talking about.
Mr. Opal stated sometimes he finds out rumors are true.
Mayor Baugh called the time limit.
Fred Plante, 3042 Woodland, stated he's been a realtor here for l~ years and
when his wife called in, they got a reply that they'll pave streets after sewer.
He added that they, and the City, don't want to spend money. He said he'd heard
that the City's Department Heads must live in the City, and everyone on Council,
and Police, and they should realize it doesn't matter if a man lives in California
if he can make his duty hours that are required. He added the second in command
should be able to take charge until the man gets here, and they should keep what
they have as public safety is needed. He asked what they're trying to push through,
and suggested they let the Department Heads live where they want for public safety
and do their job properly.
COUNCIL/OFFICERS REPORTS, BOARDS AND COMMITTEES
City Council Reports - Councilman Prater stated that Monday, February 8, 1988,
the Council called a Special Meeting regarding screening applicants for Public
Works Superintendent and a Planner. He said he was handed a paper with a list
of names for Planner from different towns with different prices, but they all
lis tone job and it's from $22,000 to $40,000. He said they did some screening
and picked out five applicants for Public Works. He added they talked about
combining three jobs together to save the City money, but after looking it over
he has a problem with it because the figure is for only one job and it would be
three times the $30,000, or $90,000, if the man handles three jobs.
Councilman Prater moved to reconsider action taken by the City Council at the
Special Meeting February 8, 1988, reference consideration of grouping engineer,
planning, and Department Heads. Councilman Mitchum seconded the motion. Mayor
Baugh reviewed his request to Terry Wadsworth for this information and noted that
after careful consideration, he thinks it will cost more money in the long run
because a man wearing three hats can't possibly do the job effectively. Motion
CARRIED 3-2. Councilmen Rotundo and Asting voted NO.
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COUNCIL/OFFICERS REPORTS, BOARDS AND COMMITTEES (Continued) -
City Council Reports (Continued) -
Mayor Baugh recommended they have a Special Meeting to interview the five
candidates for Public Works Superintendent. Councilman Prater moved to repeal
actions taken by City Council at the Special Meeting Monday, February 8, 1988,
reference to consideration of grouping engineers, planning, and Department
Heads. Councilman Mitchum seconded the motion. Motion CARRIED 3-2. Councilmen
Rotundo and Asting voted NO. Councilman Prater clarified his prior motion was to reconsider.
Mayor Baugh suggested they set a date to interview the candidates, perhaps
Monday, February 22nd at 7:00 P.M to interview the five candidates for Public
Works and include two applicants for Planner. Councilman Mitchum stated they
should table that part until after the special meeting on the 17th on Miss
Plaskett. Mayor Baugh pointed out it would be after the 17th meeting. Councilman
Mitchum said that's pending and those applications may not enter into the job.
Mayor Baugh noted this was advertised for Planner and that was Assistant Planner.
Councilman Mitchum suggested they re-advertise since they only got two applications
and he moved they reject that portion and re-advertise. City Attorney Alvarez
noted they shouldn't reject the applications. Councilman Mitchum agreed.
Councilman Prater seconded the motion. Motion CARRIED 5-0. Councilman Prater
stated those will not be included on the 22nd and Mayor Baugh agreed it would
just be Public Works.
Councilman Mitchum stated that anytime there's change, people get upset with
their way of life being changed and he commends the City employees for their
loyalty and reminded them the chance to voice their opinions of the form of
government has passed and on February 2nd, by an overwhelming majority, all three
referendums passed and the City Manager passed 4 to 1. He noted that Council and
the City employees work for the people that passed the referendum. He suggested
they all work together in close harmony and make a better City in the direction
they're mandated to go and let the rumor mill be put to rest, as only facts are
true.
City Attorney Reports - City Attorney Alvarez stated the performance bond on
the Radnor Subdivision has been reviewed and he'd like to add to the document
language: "at the end of one year or upon the completion of the improvements,
those improvements, and i.e., the bond, will be subject to approval of the appropriate
City official." He said it might be the City Engineer, or improvements pertaining
to water and sewer, and that "if the improvements are not completed within the
year which is to turn for the bond, then the bond will remain in effect until such
time as the improvements are completed." He added that when the document is
amended, it should be sent to Council for review. Mayor Baugh noted that it's
not an agenda item. City Attorney Alvarez explained he talked to the other attorney
for Radnor and it was the intent to bring it to Council, but before coming to
Council, to have comments from the auditors and City Engineer. He added that he
wants Council to review it because it's all they have to insure the improvements,
roads and sewer lines and water lines and any other improvement required by the
subdivision ordinance are in place before the lots are sold. Mayor Baugh asked
if this will hold them up and City Attorney Alvarez replied he'll ask them and he
asked Council to review copies of these documents and if there are any comments
to let him know in the next couple of days.
City Council Reports - Mayor Baugh stated he asked the City Clerk to do evaluations
of Department Heads and they're completed and she'll pass them out this evening
as he'd like to re-evaluate the Department Heads per the evaluations submitted
by the City Clerk. He asked that each Council member review them and he'll set
a date to re-evaluate the Department Heads. City Clerk Martinez pointed out she
was told to hold them until he talked with Council and Mayor Baugh asked they be
passed out the next day.
Mayor Baugh stated they have two bills in the packet from Dyer, Riddle,Mills &
Precourt regarding the CIP. City Clerk Martinez submitted a third bill to him.
Mayor Baugh stated he wanted Council to be aware of this and wants their approval
before paying these. He noted the third bill just handed to him was for $464.46
regarding stormwater and the others have to do with water-wastewater CIP and the
water distribution system. He asked for a motion from Council to pay these bills.
Councilman Prater so moved. Councilman Rotundo seconded the motion. Councilman
Mitchum asked if these are under contract and Mayor Baugh replied yes. Motion
CARRIED 5-0.
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COUNCIL/OFFICERS REPORTS, BOARDS AND COMMITTEES (Continued) -
City Council Reports (Continued) - Mayor Baugh stated they have the final
bill from Marshall Engineers. City Clerk Martinez read the February 2, 1988,
letter from Mr. Frank E. Marshall, III, to Mr. Terry A. Wadsworth, Utilities
Superintendent, advising that was the final bill for their work performed.
City Clerk Reports - City Clerk Martinez stated there's a memo from Renee
Vecchi requesting maternity leave and the calendar is attached plus a copy of
the labor agreement that sets up maternity leave. She said she's requesting
leave of absence after exhausting her vacation and personal time effective
February 24th. Councilman Asting moved they grant the request. Councilman
Prater seconded the motion. Motion CARRIED 5-0.
Parks and Recreation Board's request that Council select a name for park on
Roberts Road from five (5) recommended by them - Mayor Baugh suggested they
each write down a choice and give it to the City Clerk and the one with the
most votes will be the winner. (Names recommended by the Board were: Whistle
Stop Park; Indian Trail Park; Hawks Memorial Park; Roberts Road Recreational
Park; and Edgewater Family Park). Mayor Baugh announced that there were two
votes for Whistle Stop Park and only one for others so it will be named Whistle
Stop Park.
JoAnne Sikes stated they have nothing in the City left except Hawks Park Club
named after the founder of the community and she asked they reconsider and
name it after Dr. Hawks. Mayor Baugh said that's the wish of Council that it
be named Whistle Stop Park.
Mayor Baugh opened the envelope to see who submitted the name and announced
it was Rachel Neubert, 2933 Orange Tree Drive. Mayor Baugh requested a motion
to accept the name for the park on Roberts Road.
Tom Sheridan stated people are trying to make something out of this and to
hang a name like this on a valuable piece of property has no class at all,
and they should reconsider.
Mayor Baugh asked if Council wants to reconsider and Councilman Prater replied
he does. Councilman Asting said he likes JoAnne Sikes' suggestion to name it
after the founder. An unidentified lady in the audience called out that it's
not in Hawks Park. Councilman Prater agreed and said they already have a
Hawks Park. Councilman Mitchum pointed out they made the decision and announced
the winner. Mayor Baugh requested a motion from Council and Councilman Mitchum
so moved. Councilman Rotundo seconded the motion. Motion CARRIED 5-0.
COMMUNICATIONS
Dyer, Riddle, Mills & Precourt, Inc.re: establishing procedure for CIP work
order approval - Ron Ferland, Project Manager, stated they're trying to set
up a frame work for CIP, and at previous meetings they got approval to design
and define, but to effectively do it, he's proposing they do a work order system.
He said they initially have five work orders that detail the project, water dis-
tribution system master plan with an upset limit to meet that objective. He
added if this is acceptable, he'd like to continue using this procedure for
the remainder of the CIP work. He pointed out the first three items are ongoing
and they've invoiced some of the work associated with them, the water distri-
bution they discussed at the earlier workshop, the second was soil borings for
Florida Shores which were discussed earlier, and third is the wastewater grant
planning phase. He noted they've worked on the grant about a year and have to
submit a planning document to Federal EPA and State DER so they can authorize
grant funds. He stated the other two projects will be the stormwater master
plan with a computer simulation and the other is the Florida Shores wastewater
collection and transmission system design. He said the total to do it all from
A to Z for Florida Shores is about $356,000 for the design of all the waste-
water collection and transmission facilities, but they don't have the funds
available and the bonding has not been done yet. He proposed they segment
the project into three phases, one for design and two and three after the bonding
and financing plan is in place. He added they need to get started to meet the
December, 1988, construction time frame.
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COMMUNICATIONS (Continued) -
Dyer, Riddle, Mills & Precourt, Inc. re: establishing procedure for CIP work
order approval (Continued) - Councilman Rotundo asked what fund the money
will come from and if it will reimburse that fund when they get the bond.
Mr. Ferland replied the money can be reimbursed and if it's the water system,
it should come from that utility, and wastewater should come from the waste-
water fund, and in the future they may have a stormwater utility if Council
decides to establish a stormwater utility. He added they'll have to size the
bonds to reimburse.
Mayor Baugh asked if he's recommending a meeting with Council and Mr. Ferland
noted Council just got the information this date and he could be at another
Council meeting or meet with a representative, but they want to know if Council
wants them to proceed this way. He added they'll need a work order for items
4 and 5 or a resolution or whatever Council wants to do to proceed without a
time delay. Mayor Baugh stated Council has to make the decision on a direction
they're going for CIP and suggested they set it up for 6 P.M. before a regular
meeting. Mr. Ferland stated the next workshop is March 7th to discuss the
stormwater utility technical presentation. Mayor Baugh suggested they discuss
this at the same meeting and Mr. Ferland agreed. No Council member expressed
an objection to this schedule.
Bill Klein, Florida Shores, asked when the payment would start for these work
orders. Mayor Baugh replied when the work is done. Mr. Klein asked if they've
looked into the money that's been taken from the sewer trust fund and used and
transferred to the water trust fund, and how much it involves. He asked the
total engineering fees for short term expansion of the water plant also. He
said they're talking $350,000 and asked that they be careful in what they're
doing as a Council. He said they're going through the State Attorney, but
Council twice employed these people and he wonders if they realize how much they've
spent in the last two years with the engineer they hired and dismissed from New
Smyrna Beach. He stated it's in excess of $250,00 to Dyer, Riddle in the last two
years and in excess of $170,000 to Frank Marshall in New Smyrna Beach.
Mayor Baugh stated that when the ClP gets going, the work from the engineers to
this point will be very useful and they have to spend the money to get to that
point. Mr. Klein asked that Council be careful with money they're spending
because there's been an excessive amount spent that wasn't in the long range
plan and they need to go down a long range plan. Mayor Baugh stated they're
doing that with the CIP.
Mr. Klein stated he went through the letters from the State and County Health
Departments and Councilman Asting said they're mandated. Councilman Asting
noted that they suggested it be done and did not mandate it. Mr. Klein stated
they recommended the City investigate the feasibility of providing sewers and/or
stormwater drainage to Florida Shores. Councilman Asting asked Mr. Klein if he'd
ignore a recommendation from the Department of Health, or does he know more than
they do. Mr. Klein replied he doesn't know more than they do, but he knows what
the letters say.
James Richardson, New Smyrna Beach Lions Club, request for ad re: Miss Southeast
Volusia contest - Mr. Richardson stated that the New Smyrna Beach Lions Club
sponsors the Miss Southeast Volusia contest every year and this year quite a few
places went out of business and changed hands and it costs money to put this on.
He asked Council to take a full page ad. Mayor Baugh asked the cost and Mr.
Richardson replied $75. for the inside full page and it would be in the front or
back. Councilman Prater asked if they took an ad last year and Mr. Richardson
replied no, this is the first year he approached them. Councilman Prater moved
they go ahead with the full page. Councilman Rotundo seconded the motion.
Motion CARRIED 5-0. City Clerk Martinez advised Mr. Richardson he'd be called
when it's ready. Mr. Richardson requested some type of poster be provided.
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COMMUNICATIONS (Continued) -
New Smyrna Beach Rotary Club's request for carnival at Florida Shores Plaza
March 18-28, 1988 - Chet Boyce, Secretary, stated they submitted the letter
and have permission from the shopping center and a certificate of insurance
for this carnival. Councilman Asting moved they grant the request. Mayor
Baugh pointed out there are different dates on the letter and the certificate.
Mr. Boyce stated it starts on a Friday and goes through the 26th, and it was
typed wrong on the letter. Mayor Baugh asked if the City Attorney has any
problems with this. Councilman Rotundo seconded the motion. Councilman Prater
asked Chief Schumaker if this will create a lot of overtime pay for the City.
Chief Schumaker replied for the last la-day carnival they responded to 12
calls for service for fights and lost persons and after the carnival was over,
they found a l6-year old girl in Broward County but the 12 calls were not
extraordinary. He added they used 37.5 manhours for the last carnival.
Mayor Baugh asked if there was a problem with rowdyness or traffic. Chief
Schumaker replied they made 5 arrests and 3 were fights, and it cost the City
37.5 times the Police officer's salary. Councilman Rotundo asked where the
profits go and Mr. Boyce replied they support two scholarships and donate
money to needy causes and nobody in Rotary makes any money. He added that the
members man the ticket booths and he's been at every shift change, and he talks
to them about maintaining certain standards with no drugs or anything.
Chief Schumaker agreed it wasn't a bad carnival and 12 calls in 10 days was
within reason. Motion CARRIED 5-0.
Harold Hardester, Pelican Cove West, stated he's not against Rotary's having
a carnival but doesn't like it in his neighborhood. He said they sleep under
the trucks with sleeping bags and leave their booze bottles and six-packs out.
He suggested if New Smyrna Beach is having it they have it at Wal-Mart or K-Mart.
Mayor Baugh stated he talked with the City Attorney about this and Council
could reconsider. He asked if they considered a location in New Smyrna Beach.
Mr. Boyce replied that all the centers are privately owned and Florida Shores
has the parking requirements and Donnie Williams, who manages it, is a member
of their group. Mayor Baugh stated that several people are dissatisfied with
the carnival being there and if they have a problem, he'd like to see it from
administration or the Chief that there was a problem or a recommendation about
it. Mr. Boyce stated he'll be glad to work with the Chief and if he feels it's
the overtime, they'll see about reimbursing the City.
Councilman Prater stated he felt they should reconsider. Mr. Boyce noted that
he's donated his time all his life and this will be the first time that he ever
went before a board and was turned down, and he thinks the majority of the
people in the neighborhood will not think there was a problem. He again pointed
out they are a service club and the money goes to charities in the area and
nobody makes anything. He referred to various activites held in New Smyrna
Beach and asked that Council maintain their permission and if there's a problem,
talk to them the next time, but give them one more chance.
Norman Billups stated he thinks the Police Chief wrote and had published a much
needed letter alerting the citizens to the effect that carnivals can have
hangers on who don't leave with the carnival and most have questionable repu-
tations and break in and steal in the community. He asked that a study be made
of how many break-ins resulted in the Florida Shores area around carnival time.
Chief Schumaker stated he takes no credit for the letter because he didn't write
it but he doesn't disagree, but there's no appreciable amount of break-ins with
this particular carnival last October. Mr. Billups stated he's not criticizing
the Chief and thinks he's doing a good job but someone wrote the letter. Chief
Schumaker noted that it may have come from the Detective bureau because Officer
Hoina works with juveniles but it should have come out under his signature.
Mayor Baugh asked City Attorney Alvarez for comments. City Attorney Alvarez
stated they're asked to make a decision based on one letter of request and a copy
of the binder and no policy but an agreement to provide payments between the two
parties, and they should have comments from the Police Department, from engineering,
are there sanitary facilities, will they have security, and if the City will be
named in the policy as insured. Mr. Boyce pointed out it was handled this way
before and the certificate of insurance will be made out to the City and will
be in hand before the carnival is set up, as before.
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New Smyrna Beach Rotary Club's request for carnival at Florida Shores Plaza
March 18-28, 1988 (Continued) - City Attorney Alvarez asked if there's time
to give this more thought and Mr. Boyce replied that he didn't anticipate a
problem and they already have a contract. City Attorney Alvarez suggested
there should be certain measures undertaken to make the carnival safer and more
enjoyable and diminish any exposure the City has. Mr. Boyce pointed out all
the equipment is State inspected. City Attorney Alvarez commented on the impact
of a large group of individuals converging on the area would be, and said he's
not advocating approval or denial but to look further into it and come to an
understanding. Mr. Boyce asked what type of security he's referring to and
City Attorney Alvarez replied security in general, and referred to an instance
regarding a Police officer involved in preventing a fight and getting hurt
and who would be responsible for paying workers' compensation. Mr. Boyce
stated he'd never had this happen and he always felt the cities and states
offered Police services to the public and they're covered by insurance.
Mayor Baugh asked if this is the same carnival and Mr. Boyce replied no, it's
the one they had three years ago with portable condos on the southeast corner
of the parking lot. He added that he thinks it's the best carnival they ever
had. City Attorney Alvarez asked the track record for Myers and Mr. Boyce
replied very good, and they've run all summers in New York City. Mr. Boyce
added they'll have 3 or 4 Rotary people to man the ticket booths at all times
and will mingle around to watch for problems.
City Attorney Alvarez stated the certificate of insurance has Florida Shores
Plaza as additional insured and the City is only referred to in the body of the
certificate. He asked why the City wasn't named as additional insured. Mr.
Boyce replied that he'll ask them to put that on there. City Attorney Alvarez
agreed that would make him more comfortable from a liability point of view, and
he asked Chief Schumaker if he needs time to look into it or if he feels comfort-
able with it. Chief Schumaker said he asked questions at the last carnival but
felt it was going to go on and they'd provide Police services, but he could make
some checks on the carnival in cities where they were before but it's hard to
anticipate it will happen the same here as before. He added that 10 days seems
like a long time for a carnival and Mayor Baugh pointed out they changed it to
8 days. Chief Schumaker said he'll do whatever the citizens want and provide
whatever services they have to and can look into the backgrounds and bring an
answer if it's viable for the City.
Mr. Boyce asked if they can make it subject to the Chief's finding any problems
and City Attorney Alvarez added security and flow of traffic. Chief Schumaker
commented on prior experience when a carnival came into a community and off-duty
Police officers were hired and paid by the carnival. He pointed out it's hard to
assign regular patrols for detail. Mr. Boyce stated that if they feel they
should be reimbursed, he'll take it up with the Board of Directors. City Attorney
Alvarez agreed that off-duty Police sounds like an excellent idea. Mr. Boyce said
he didn't feel it's necessary except on Fridays and Saturdays as it's not that
busy. Chief Schumaker agreed. Mr. Boyce suggested they leave it that if the
Chief mandates it's necessary, he'll pay the bill if there are excess costs and
will pay it out of his own pocket if necessary.
Councilman Prater stated they should deny the request. Mayor Baugh asked if they
want to leave it with that understanding, or they can reconsider it as the City
Attorney advised they could do. Councilman Prater moved they reconsider this.
Councilman Prater seconded the motion. Motion DID NOT CARRY 2-3. Councilman
Rotundo, Councilman Asting, and Mayor Baugh voted NO. (See next paragraphre: voting)
Mayor Baugh stated this is very worthwhile and they'd granted 5-0 the permission
to do this and requested Council put a condition on it subject to the approval
of the Police Chief to look into this carnival to see what problems they had.
City Attorney Alvarez suggested they reconsider and restate the motion.as a new
motion. Mayor Baugh stated the City Attorney says the motion was to reconsider
and not to deny so he changes his vote to yes to reconsider. Motion would then CARRY
3-2 with Councilman Rotundo and Councilman Asting voting NO.
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COMMUNICATIONS (Continued) -
New Smyrna Beach Rotary Club's request for carnival at Florida Shores Plaza
March 18-28, 1988 (Continued) -
Councilman Rotundo moved to grant the request and the Police Chief will
investigate all avenues so it will be compatible for all others concerned.
City Attorney Alvarez suggested they add the City as additional insured and
Councilman Rotundo agreed. Councilman Asting seconded the motion. Motion
CARRIED 3-2. Councilman Prater and Councilman Mitchum voted NO.
Mayor Baugh stated he voted yes because he's been a member of Edgewater Rotary
for about six years and knows what's done for the people and the scholarships
go to Edgewater and New Smyrna Beach children going to college. He added there
were minimal problems at the last one per the Chief and this carnival is one
of the best.
L. Jane Lott - complaint re: City ordinance violation, parking in fire lane
at Florida Shores Plaza - City Clerk Martinez read the February 1, 1988, letter
from Ms. Lott and the February 5, 1988 reply to her from Chief Schumaker.
Councilman Prater questioned why the Police officer didn't ask the driver in
the car to move out of the fire lane. He noted he's never seen anyone ticketed
in the handicapped area and car after car pulls into those spots and then they
walk to the stores.
Jim Inman, Florida Shores, stated the lady parked in a fire lane and he believes
the curb is painted yellow and if she doesn't know the laws of Florida, she
should go to the Drivers' License Bureau and get a book. He added that sitting
in a car or not, he's issued illegal parking citations, and the officer has the
authority to issue that citation.
Councilman Prater said the curb was painted yellow but people park in front of
City Hall at the painted line. Councilman Prater and Mr. Inman discussed the
area in front of City Hall.
Larry Perkins, Chairman, Edgewater Cystic Fibrosis Support Group, re: Hall of
Fame Honor Roll plaque - Mr. Perkins stated that the people that were present
had to go home due to the late hour and he'll plan to do it on March 7th when
they have the proclamation and unveil it then.
ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS
Ord. 88-0-8 Creating a land development and regulatory agency - City Attorney
Alvarez read this Ordinance. ORD. 88-0-8 - AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF
THE CITY OF EDGEWATER, CREATING A LAND DEVELOPMENT & REGULATORY AGENCY; BY PRO-
VIDING FOR THE MEMBERSHIP OF SAID AGENCY; BY PROVIDING FOR REMOVAL FROM OFFICE
AND VACANCIES; BY PROVIDING FOR OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES OF SAID AGENCY; BY PRO-
VIDING FOR RULES OF PROCEDURE FOR SAID AGENCY; BY PROVIDING FOR POWERS AND DUTIES
OF SAID AGENCY AND THAT THE AGENCY IS DESIGNATED AS BOTH THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY
AND LAND DEVELOPMENT & REGULATORY AGENCY IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 163.316; ET
SEQ. FLORIDA STATUTES; CONTAINING A REPEALER PROVISION, A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE AND
PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. He stated this is first reading. Councilman
Mitchum moved they adopt Ordinance 88-0-8. Councilman Prater seconded the motion.
Motion CARRIED 5-0.
Res. 88-R-10 Amending Amendment No.4, Dyer, Riddle, Mills & Precourt, Inc.
increasing project compensation from $17,870 to $25,370, western wellfield
expansion project - City Attorney Alvarez read this Resolution. RES. 88-R-10 -
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF EDGEWATER, FLORIDA, AUTHORIZING
AN INCREASE ON THE PROJECT COMPENSATION OF AMENDMENT NO. 4 WITH DYER, RIDDLE,
MILLS & PRECOURT, INC. FROM $17,870. TO $25,370.; REPEALING ALL RESOLUTIONS, OR
PARTS OF RESOLUTIONS IN CONFLICT HEREWITH AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
Councilman Prater moved they adopt Resolution 88-R-10. Councilman Rotundo
seconded the motion. Motion CARRIED 4-1. Councilman Asting voted NO.
Mayor Baugh called a 5-minute recess at 9:10 P.M. He called the meeting back
to order at 9:30 P.M.
UNFINISHED BUSINESS
There was no Unfinished Busin~ss brought up at this meeting.
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NEW BUSINESS
Consideration and action on City Manager selection and appointment - Councilman
Asting stated he'd like the City Clerk to prepare a request to City Managers in
the County to see what qualifications a City Manager should have and in the same
letter ask if they'd be willing to serve on a screening board for applications
the City receives. He added a job description can be prepared from the replies
to the letter and then they can advertise for a City Manager. He said if they go
to professional people, they'll get professional responses.
Councilman Mitchum stated he'd like to see the City Attorney draw up the ordinance
for this and also get with the City Managers Association or International City
Managers and write a job description for the City, and he made that a motion.
Mayor Baugh asked that he wait for other comments.
Mayor Baugh stated it's imperative they get with the City Managers Association
and he knows there's one in Winter Park or Orlando. He said he agrees with
Councilman Mithcum that they should go to the Attorney to get the recommendations
from the professional City Manager Association. Councilman Mitchum so moved.
Councilman Prater seconded the motion.
City Attorney Alvarez clarified that based on the outcome of the referendum, if
Council wishes to institute a City Manager, they must do so through an ordinance
and that ordinance will set forth the terms and conditions of employment and
powers and duties. He noted they have to have the ordinance in place before
appointing a City Manager so they can tell the potential candidates the details.
He pointed out Council has a great deal of flexibility as opposed to the Charter
which lays out specifically terms and conditions and powers and responsibilities.
He added it can be a strong City Manager or one more responsive to Council. He
said any ordinance will be a basic document that Council will then at a special
meeting work out details. He suggested they start with the standard powers and
duties of City Managers contained in just any charter involving this form of
government, and then set forth terms and conditions that will establish salary,
benefits, etc.
City Attorney Alvarez stated that in conjunction with Amendment no. 2, and the
intent on voter performance approval doesn't constitute an automatic dismissal
after the elections, the terms and conditions should spell out what will happen
in terms of procedures in case a majority vote at election indicates the people
aren't happy with the performance of the City Manager. He again said it doesn't
mean the City Manager is terminated but that the Council is put on notice that at
least 51% of the individuals voting are not happy and there's a lack of effective-
ness. He said the procedures will be the Council will call a hearing to ascertain
if there's cause behind the unhappiness and what steps are to be taken to eliminate
it, i.e., if the decision is one that the Manager has made recommendations that
are unpopular but Council acceptsthemandis willing to follow the recommendations,
then there should be no reason for the Manager to be disturbed. He pointed out
this will prevent the situation that existed in 1982 with a change of Council
because of the popular unhappiness with the City Manager at that time. He added
the terms and conditions of the ordinance will provide protection just as a
Council member is subject to a recall of the people, the City Manager is not
subject to that but the people should have the opportunity to tell Council they
aren't happy and find out what's going on.
City Attorney Alvarez noted that the City Manager is ultimately responsible to
the people of the City and works for them and not for Council. Mayor Baugh
added it's the will of the Council. City Attorney Alvarez stated they all work
for the people and they're not a private business.
City Attorney Alvarez said hiring should be through a professional organization
that's able to provide Council with professional advice regarding the qualifi-
cations, such as when the Police Chief went through the Police assessment board.
He added that he's not suggesting any specific organization. Mayor Baugh said
that New Smyrna Beach went through a City Managers Association in Winter Park
and they made a recommendation on so many individuals for Council to interview.
City Attorney Alvarez said they can contact several groups such as that. Mayor
Baugh asked the time frame and City Attorney Alvarez replied he didn't think it
would take that much longer to contact 3 or 4 organizations and he'll follow that
procedure if directed to do it. Motion CARRIED 5-0.
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NEW BUSINESS (Continued)
Consideration and action on City Manager selection and appointment(Continued) -
City Attorney Alvarez stated he'll contact the Mayor to call special meetings
on the basis of the first items to review and approve what will be sent out
and the organizations that will be involved in preparing the profile of a City
Manager. He added that the professionals should be able to determine the type
of City Manager needed for this community when looking at the demographic, geo-
graphic, growth, etc., points.
Bill Klein stated 30% of the voters expressed dissatisfaction with the way the
administration in this City is run and the 30% was a larger percentage than they
had for the election of Mayor and Councilmen. He added the people are betting
this won't be in place before November or December and the City should hurry
the situation up as much as they can.
Phyllis Woodard said he's not representing all the voters and she's not saying
she's dissatisfied with the administration, as she's not.
Consideration and action on voters' performance and evaluation of City Manager -
This item was included under the prior subject. (Page 11 of these minutes)
Consideration and action on residency requirement - City Attorney Alvarez stated
he'd like to research this matter and then Council will have to deal with it
based on present conditions in the City at the time. Mayor Baugh requested a
motion that the Attorney research this and bring a recommendation or finding
back to Council. Councilman Prater so moved. Councilman Mitchum seconded the
motion. Motion CARRIED 3-2. Councilman Rotundo and Councilman Asting voted NO.
Chief Schumaker stated he's affected by this inapersonal and financial way and
asked that the City Attorney keep in mind that Department Heads were never
included on the original petition that was signed by the citizens but was added
by the Mayor who said a lot of people called him. He suggested the possibility the
referendum may be flawed in regard to that Department Head residencey to the
effect that putting an addendum on the petition regarding Department Heads should
have been a separate issue on the ballot.
A reporter from the audience asked about the vote on the second item and was
advised by Mayor Baugh they were combined previously.
Consideration and action on Resolutions 87-R-16 and 84-R-60 - Councilman Mitchum
stated that over the last few months he's not been totally satisfied with the
way administration is running and has questions in his mind and some brought up
by citizens referring to Connie Martinez. He asked Mayor Baugh how things have
been going over the last few months in City Hall since he was appointed by Council
to be her supervisor. Mayor Baugh replied he's been informed of a lot more things
and it's not as it was in the past when he didn't know what was going on, and one
item was an accident involving a Police vehicle and he was told they don't tell
him everthing. He added that as recently as two days ago he was told he doesn't
make decisions on everything and Pat DiLeva was there. He said he's asked several
times what goes to what department and was told whatever department he thinks,
and that was over the past 3 or 4 months. He said he received some information
and some he didn't receive and there were meetings with individuals he knew nothing
about and still doesn't know about them.
Councilman Mitchum said there have been some charges brought up, and he's not
placing blame, but some administrative procedures with Lynne Plaskett and Ron
Austin and some discrepancies in the Building Department and Parks and Recreation
Department he thinks relate to administration.
Councilman Prater stated that everything has been fairly well stated and it has
been unsatisfactory.
Councilman Asting disagreed with the statements made and said he thinks Connie
Martinez did a creditable job administrating the matters of the City and super-
vision based on Council's decisions and policies. He said a lot was done that
Mrs. Martinez did not receive credit for, and he thinks Mayor Baugh was informed
as well as other Council members and he has no complaints. He added he goes once
or twice a week to the departments to see if there are any problems and the problems
are handled well and Mrs. Martinez deserves credit for acting for the Council.
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Consideration and action on Resolutions 87-R-16 and 84-R-60(Continued) -
Mayor Baugh stated that perhaps Councilman Asting has information he doesn't,
such as Gary Schad of the self-insurance committee and he and Mrs. Martinez
met with him and he was to bring back his resignation but he's heard nothing
and understands Mr. Schad was in City Hall. City Clerk Martinez stated he
came at her request per Alex Kish to final the audit but he didn't bring in
his resignation. Mayor Baugh asked if he still has not resigned and City
Clerk Martinez replied she didn't discuss it but called him to help Alex Kish
with figures for the audit.
Councilman Rotundo stated he has no qualms with City Clerk Martinez and he
always gets information from her and the Department Heads seem to have a
good communication and all the employees in the City.
Harold Hardester, Pelican Cove West, asked who would be responsible for daily
administrative duties if Resolutions 87-R-16 and 84-R-60 are repealed. Mayor
Baugh replied the City Clerk. Mr. Hardester asked who that would be and Mayor
Baugh replied he doesn't know as he didn't hear a motion and the resolutions
only gave her the authority to take care of these things. Mr. Hardester stated
someone has to take care of the duties, and asked who would be responsible for
daily administration. Councilman Mitchum replied he'll answer in his motion.
Mr. Hardester asked if the Mayor could take on daily administrative duties
while they're searching for a City Manager. Mayor Baugh replied he'll do every-
thing he can but he does work elsewhere. Mr. Hardester brought up that per the
City Charter, the Mayor's position is legislative and not administrative.
Mayor Baugh pointed out that's unless directed by Council otherwise and at a
previous meeting Council made that motion. Mr. Hardester asked if that's on
a temporary basis and Mayor Baugh replied yes. Mr. Hardester questioned if a
resolution had been drawn up to that effect. Mayor Baugh said any resolutions
would have to be drawn up by the Attorney as a motion of Council. Mr. Hardester
questioned what Mrs. Martinez's position and Susan Wadsworth's position would be
with the City Manager coming in. Mayor Baugh replied that it's in the Charter
there's still a City Clerk and Deputy City Clerk. Mr. Hardester said they could
stay in those positions and Mayor Baugh replied yes. Mr. Hardester asked if Mrs.
Martinez will still be City Clerk and Susan Wadsworth Deputy City Clerk and Mayor
Baugh replied yes, if these two resolutions are rescinded. Councilman Asting
questioned who'd handle the other duties above the City Clerk's position if City
Clerk Martinez is relieved as administrator as the City Manager hiring will take time.
Councilman Mitchum moved that the City Attorney draw up a resolution repealing
Resolutions 8~R-16 and 84-R-60 and that due to some discrepancies in City adminis-
stration and not placing any guilt with these, but for investigation, Mrs. Martinez
be placed on suspension with pay effective immediately and the Mayor has been
appointed to assume some administrative work and they have a Deputy City Clerk who
would assume the City Clerk's duties at this time, the City Attorney to do a
complete investigation over the last few months of the administration of this
City. Councilman Prater seconded the motion.
Frank Roe said he's not opposed to City Manager and asked if the City Clerk runs
this Council. Mayor Baugh replied no. Mr. Roe asked if the City Manager will
have as much power as the City Clerk and Mayor Baugh replied yes. Mr. Roe asked
Council to consider making Mrs. Martinez the temporary City Manager.
Motion CARRIED 3-2. Councilman Rotundo and Councilman Asting voted NO.
ADJOURN
Mayor Baugh requested a motion to adjourn. Councilman Prater so moved. Councilman
Mitchum seconded the motion. Meeting was adjourned at 10:06 P.M.
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