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CITY OF EDGEWATER
CITY COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING
January 21, 1980
Mayor Christy called the regular meeting of the City Council
to order at 7:00 P.M. in the Edgewater Community Center.
ROLL CALL
Mayor Robert H. Christy
Councilman Louis J. Rotundo
Councilman David C. Ledbetter
Councilman William B. Glaser
Councilman Neil J. Asting
City Attorney Judson I. Woods
City Clerk Joseph G. Herget
Police Chief Earl Baugh
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INVOCATION
Rev. Hardin gave the Invocation
SALUTE TO FLAG
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Councilman Asting made a motion that the Council approve the
minutes of the January 7, 1980 Council Meeting. Councilman
Rotundo seconded the motion. Upon roll call the motion
CARRIED 5-0.
BILLS AND ACCOUNTS
Councilman Rotundo made a motion that the Council approve the
bills for payment. Councilman Ledbetter seconded the motion.
Councilman Ledbetter questioned a bill from Briley, Wild.
The bill was for conferences with the City Attorney, research
for the Water/Wastewater Departments and meetings with the
Supervisors of the Water Department and the Water Plant.
Councilman Rotundo discussed the rising price of gasoline and
how it will affect the City.
Mayor Christy said that we will probably have to adjust some
of our budgets to meet the additional gasoline costs.
Councilman Asting questioned a bill from Indian River Glass Com-
pany.
This bill was for the repair of the window at the Police Depart-
ment. The window was cracked during the hurricane.
Upon roll call, the motion to pay the bills CARRIED 5-0.
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PROCLAMATION
Mayor Christy read a Proclamation regarding Child Abuse
Awareness Day. The Daytona Beach Jaycee Auxiliary will hold
a Fashion Show to raise funds for the Children's Crisis Team.
The show will be held on February 2, 1980.
At this time the Mayor read from the City Charter, Sec.224
Presiding Officer, which states that the presiding officer will
preserve strict order during the Council meetings. He also
read from Sec.227 Rules of Debate, which states that a person
wishing to speak shall be recognized by the presiding officer
and will limit his conversation to the subject matter.
Sec. 229 states that a person wishing to speak shall come up
to the Council table and will be limited to three minutes.
Anyone causing disturbance or making slanderous remarks be
barred from further audience before the Council.
COMMUNICATION
The City Clerk stated that Mr. and Mrs. Brogan want to speak
to the Council concerning the proposed Water/Wastewater Ordinance
changes.
Mrs. Brogan, 2512 Travelers Palm,stated that some of the pro-
posed changes disturb her greatly. She spoke to the Council
about how she feels that it is unfair to make people hook up
to the City water in order to keep the people who already have
and want the water from having to pay more.
Councilman Asting stated that it does seem unfair that where
a person had to put in a well because the City water was not
provided when they built their house, now to have to pay the
full cost of $450.00. He suggested that the Council consider
a possible change in the proposed ordinance where houses that
were built before water lines were run down the streets should
not habe to pay the full amount.of the hook up.
There was more discussion with Mrs. Brogan about the require-
ments to hook up, and the costs involved.
The City Clerk read a request from Mr. Frank Opal to speak to
the Council concerning a special Council Meeting that was held
in the Mayor's office January 17, 1980:
Frank Opal, Florida Shores, thanked the Mayor for reading the
exerpts which was done specifically for his benefit.
Mayor Christy reminded Mr. Opal that he read that personalities
are not to displayed.
Mr. Opal spoke to the Council about the calling of that special
meeting. He asked if it was the Mayor or the City Attorney who
kept the City Clerk from mailing the letter that the Council
made a decision to send at the regular Council meeting?
At this time there was some confusion as Mayor Christy tried
to ask the Council a question and Mr. Opal kept speaking, as
a result the Chief of Police was asked to escort Mr. Opal from
~ meeting.
The City Clerk read a letter from himself to the City Council
in regard to monetary charges for copying public records.
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In this letter, the Florida Status 119.07 and 119.08 were
quoted. The City Clerk explained the present circumstances,
and requested some guidance in regard to the reproduction
charges and whether candidates for public office should be
charged the same as private citizens.
The City Attorney stated that it is the law that citizens be
supplied with copies of public records. However, he doubts,
after looking at some of the Attorney Genera11s opinions, that
we could charge a fee for the employee's time that it takes to
get these records. You can make a reasonable charge for the
actual cost of copying the material. He added that this should
probably be set by Resolution to set a definite charge.
It was agreed that this should not include City Councilmen.
The attorney stated that he does not feel that a political
candidate should have the same privilege as the present
Councilmen. You would be causing yourselves quite a hardship
for the employees in City Hall having to take time to do this
research and copying. It was also agreed that it should be
left up to the City Clerk as to the time the employees can
do this research. It was suggested that the City Clerk check
with other cities as to what their policies are.
Councilman Asting made a motion that this be TABLED until the
City Clerk has an opportunity to investigate the way other
cities handle this matter, being seconded by Councilman
Rotundo. It was asked that this be brought back JANUARY 28th.
John Gross, Riverside Drive wanted to speak to the Council in
regards to the copies and charges made to him.
Mayor Christy stated that this issue was tabled.
Upon roll call on the motion, said motion CARRIED, 5-0.
The City Clerk read a letter from the Department of Elections
in regard to using the Community Center for the Presidential
Primary Election on March 11, 1980.
Counci~man Ledbetter made a motion to grant this request,
being seconded by Councilman Asting. Upon roll call vote
~id motion CARRIED 5-0.
The City Clerk read a letter from the Metropolitan Planning
Organization informing the City that they do not have an active
representative on the Technical Coordinating Committee (TCC)
of the Volusia Coastal Area Metropolitan Planning Organization,
spelling out the necessary qualifications for this representative.
Councilman Asting made a motion that we appoint Mr. Hurley, the
City Planner, to this board, being seconded by Councilman Led-
better. Upon roll call vote said motion CARRIED, 5-0.
It was decided that an alternate would be appointed at ~ later
date.
The City Clerk read a letter from the Department of Transporta-
tion concerning traffic regulation changes.
Chief Baugh explained the locations of these regulation changes
to the Council and the audience.
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There was discussion about the hazardous area on the highway
at the north end of town by Winn Dixie. It is hoped that some
of these changes will prevent further accidents that may occur
in that area.
The City Clerk read a letter from Lonestar Florida concerning
a dust supJessing compound evaluation which is now taking
place. The letter states that they will contact the City
relative to the use of this compound in the City of Edgewater.
Councilman Asting made a motion that the City Clerk call the
Lonestar Florida Pennsuco Inc. and find out when they will be
able to advise us of the dust compound that they speak of here,
being seconded by Councilman Ledbetter. Upon roll call vote
said motion CARRIED 5-0.
The City Clerk read a memo from the Merit Board requesting a
joint meeting with the Council as soon as possible. The pur-
pose of which is to have the Council define and clarify
Ordinance 874 and the amended Ordinance 79-0-11 (Duties of
the Merit Board).
Councilman Asting made a motion that we have a meeting with
the Merit Board at a date that is convenient with all of the
members of the Council, being seconded by Councilman Rotundo.
There was discussion about a date; it was agreed that this
meeting be held Thursday, January 31st at 7:00 P.M. Upon
rdl call vote on the motion, said motion CARRIED 5-0.
The City Clerk read a request for a home occupational license
from Rean Schilling, 141 Highland Avenue; type of business is
Photo Documentation. Mrs.Schilling answered a few questions
from the Council.
Councilman Ledbetter made a motion to grant the lady's request,
being seconded by Councilman Asting. Upon roll call vote said
motion CARRIED 5-0.
The City Clerk read a request for a home occupational license
from Robert DeLoach, 404 Eaton Road; type of business is Elec-
trical Contractor. Mr. DeLoach answered a few questions from
the Council.
Councilman Asting made a motion to grant the request, being
seconded by Councilman Rotundo. Upon roll call vote said
motion CARRIED 5-0.
Councilman Asting made a motion that we have Mr. Opal readmitted
to the Council meeting, being seconded by Councilman Ledbetter.
Upon roll call vote said motion CARRIED 5-0.
At this time there was a five minute recess.
COORDINATORS REPORTS
Councilman Rotundo asked the attorney about the law in regard
to a Peddlers License. Someone approached him about selling
bait on the pier.
The City Attorney stated that he will look into this, this
might be something that the City could look into as a money-
making situation.
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There was discussion that people have to go all the way into
New Smyrna to buy bait even if they want to fish on our pier.
Councilman Ledbetter explained that Earl Copeland wants to
pour a slab 65' long and l6'wide to put the lift on, outside
of the City garage, because the floor inside the garage drains
to the middle of the building, and the lift should be on a
completely flat surface.
There was conversation about this.
Councilman Ledbetter made a motion that
Department to pour the slab on the West
from door to door, approximately 65' in
being seconded by Councilman Asting.
said motion CARRIED 5-0.
we allow the Street
side of the building
length by 16' wide,
Upon roll call vote
It was suggested that the Building Official inspect the job.
Councilman Glaser had no report.
Councilman Asting stated that he has recently heard that the
paving equipment that the City was previously interested in
is still available and the price has been reduced to $25,000.
He recommended that Mr. Copeland take another look at this.
There was no objection by any members of the Council that this
be done.
Councilman Rotundo suggested that we instruct the City Clerk
to look up the information that we had in the previous meeting
and give that to Mr. Copeland to go and check this out.
City Attorney Woods had no report.
City Clerk had no report.
Mayor Christy read a letter from Sen. Chiles informing us that
the Revenue Sharing Bill has been signed. This letter also
stated that there is a possibility of loans for burning garbage.
Our City Planner iSJ at the present time}looking into this.
RESOLUTIONS
The City Attorney read Resolution #80-R-132
A RESOLUTION APPOINTING FRANK RICHARDSON TO THE EDGEWATER
INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT ADVISORY BOARD, OF THE CITY OF EDGE-
WATER, FLORIDA: REPEALING ALL RESOLUTIONS IN CONFLICT HERE-
WITH AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
Councilman Asting made a motion to adopt this Resolution,
being seconded by Councilman Rotundo. Upon roll call vote
said motion CARRIED 5-0.
Mr. Gross reque~ted that the Council speak up more, it is
often very hard to hear what is being said.
The City Attorney read Resolution #80-R-133
A RESOLUTION APPOINTING LAMAR DEAN TO THE EDGE\VATER BOARD OF
GOVERNORS, REPEALING ALL RESOLUTIONS IN CONFLICT HEREWITH AND
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
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Councilman Asting made a motion to adopt this Resolution,
being seconded by Councilman Glaser. Upon roll call vote
said motion CARRIED 5-0.
City Attorney read Resolution #80-R-134
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF EDGEWATE~,
FLORIDA, PROVIDING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL SHALL AFTER ITS
REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING ON FEBRUARY 4, 1980, MEET EVERY
OTHER MONDAY EVENING AT 7:00 P.M., AT THE EDGEWATER COMMUNITY
CENTER: PROVIDING FURTHER THAT THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY
OF EDGEWATER, FLORIDA SHALL MEET IN WORKSHOP SESSION ON EACH
THURSDAY AT SUCH TIME ON THURSDAY AS SHALL BE SO DESIGNATED
BY THE CITY COUNCIL AT ITS REGULAR MEETING PRECEEDING EACH
WORKSHOP SESSION: REPEALING ALL RESOLUTIONS IN CONFLICT
HEREWITH AJ'JD PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
Mayor Christy stated that before there is a vote on this
Resolution he would like to point out that the original
idea of changing the meetings was to hold less meetings
than we are having now, and this calls for a meeting every
week. It should also be pointed out that at the present
time we are not holding workshop meetings to set the agenda
and the agenda is getting done.
Attorney Woods stated that you do not have to have that work-
shop meeting, as long as this is designated on the Monday
meeting.
There was discussion as to ~hether this Resolution should
read workshop meeting, since action will be taken on the
bills and you can not take action at a workshop meeting.
Perhaps it should be called an agenda meeting.
Mayor Christy suggested that we go 1st and 3rd Mondays or
2nd and 4th Thursdays, which will be to set items on the
agenda for the following week. A lot of items are just
Dr information only, however a deadline is to be set for
agenda items to be into City Hall.
ORDINANCES
The City Attorney read Ordinance No. 80-0-42 (first reading)
AN ORDINANCE VACATING A PORTION OF A FIFTEEN FOOT ALLEY
LYING NORTH OF INDIAN RIVER BOULEVARD, AND LYING BETWEEN
FERN PALM DRIVE AND GUAVA DRIVE: IMPOSING ADDITIONAL CON-
DITIONS.FOR THE GRANTING OF SAID VACATION; REPEALING ALL
ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT HEREWITH; PROVIDING FOR ADVERTISING
BY THE CITY CLERK AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
Councilman Asting made a motion to adopt this Ordinance,
being seconded by Councilman Ledbetter.
~Ir. Robert Witzig spoke to the Council about the statement
of theWrights and Petersons. He asked if this right transfers
if and when they sell the property or is it just to them alone?
The City Attorney said that this is a perpetual right by Quit
Claim Deed to any grantee of the Wrights and Petersons.
Upon roll call vote on the motion said motion CARRIED 5-0.
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Mayor Christy stated that the next Ordinance is the one that
Mrs. Brogan spoke to the Council about earlier.
Councilman Ledbetter made a motion that we TABLE this for
another workshop, because it is not all entirely clear,
being seconded by Councilman Asting. Upon roll call vote
said motion CARRIED, 5-0.
OLD BUSINESS
The City Clerk read a Petition from the residents of Perdita
Street requesting that the City take over the bill and main-
tenance of the street light on the south end of that street.
There was discussion about the easement in this area.
Councilman Asting stated that as far as this street light is
concerned, the Ci.ty did not request this light, the people
did it themselves.
Mayor Christy stated that the City should be responsible for
this if the light is needed in that area, just like we are
putting lights in other locations. He suggested that the
Street Light Committee take another look at the area and
decide whether the light is needed. They are to report back
next week on this.
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The City Clerk read a letter from the Sloburn Properties
requesting lighting on both Marilyn Drive and Turgot.
Mayor Christy stated that again he feels that the committee
should come back to the Council with a report on this.
Mr. Donald Slaney spoke to the Council in regard to this.
He explained that there are three homes in this area now,
and with his building permits he did pay the street light
assessment.
The City Clerk read the Certification of Bids for a Sewage
Treatment Plant Temporary By-Pass and Appurtenant Work:
W.E.D. Contractors, Inc.
Leechase Corporation
Koblar Contractors
$16,800.00
21,300.00
17,957.00
The City Clerk read a recommendation from Kevin Bosse, Waste-
water Supervisor stating that the low bid of $16,000.00 from
W.E.D. Contractors is acceptable.
Councilman Asting made a motion to accept the recommendation
of the Wastewater Supervisor and award the contract for this
by-pass system to W.E.D. Contractors, being seconded by
Councilman Rotundo.
There was discussion about the fact that Briley, Wild shou14 have
the necessary documents in regard to this. It was suggested that
this be incorporated in the motion.
Councilman Asting added that Briley, Wild continue to act as
our City Engineers on this.
Mayor Christy stated that he did not want to give them a
blank check on this. It was explained that they will bill
us for their services and we will pay from the statements.
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Upon roll call vote on the motion, said motion CARRIED 5-0.
Councilman Ledbetter stated that he hates to do this, but
we ha~e already given up sometlling that we already had.
Mayor Christy stated that he is voting yes because it is
something that we have to have, but he doesn't like the
open checkbook.
The City Clerk read the Certification of Funds.
There was no recommendation for a member for the Board of
Governors. Mayor Christy stated that we will bring this
matter up again on JANUARY 28th.
Mayor Christy stated that we have the Attorney's opinion
from Thursday's meeting. We should take action one way or
another.
The City Attorney stated that his thoughts on the matter,
which the Council is not bound by, is to explain to Starke
that the Council voted to sell certain property of the City,
under the belief that it could be disposed of. It was an
honest mistake and offer to pay them what you received at
that auction for the property.
The City Clerk stated that if the Council goes this way, he
needs some guidance as to what to add for the typewriters.
It is almost impossible to tell exactly what we collected
for which typewriters.
There was more discussion about the lot of typewriters that
were supposedly purchased. No one seems to know anything
about that many. There were seven typewriters sold at the
auction, but they were not all surplus property.
Mayor Christy stated that he has a typewriter at his home
and has had it ever since he became Civil Defense Coordinator.
It is one of the surplus typewriters.
Councilman Asting stated that he understands that some of the
Councilmen have filing cabinets at their homes.
Councilman Rotundo stated that he has had one for going on
three years now.
Councilman Asting stated that these items were donated for
public use, not personal use. He added that this is wrong.
Mayor Christy stated that a typewriter was given to Mr. Mackie
when he was Assistant Civil Defense Coordinator about five years
ago and he has been asked to return it to the City.
Councilman Asting stated that if you have an official office,
you can use these items, but not in your home. He asked the
attorney for his opinion.
Attorney Woods stated that he has to believe that each of these
Councilmen would not be stealing property. He himself has about
$2,000.00 worth of books in his personal library that the City
asked him to keep for the benefit of the City.
Councilman Rotundo stated that we have been talking about this
for three we~ks and have not decided a thing. He made a motion
that we send the letter that our attorney recommended to Starke,
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Councilman Asting asked the attorney what this letter says.
Attorney Woods said that you have to reinterate what took
place at the Council meeting. The property was sold un-
fortunately due to a mistake, some F~deral surplus property
was sold and that the City is willing to pay back to the
Federal Government what it received at'that auction.
Mayor Christy asked if Mr. Rotundo would add in the motion
that we send a verbatim copy of those minutes to Starke.
Councilman Asting asked if anyone else has a filing cabinet,
he asked if Mr. Sikes has one?
Mayor Christy stated that he did have one, and he asked
Councilman Glaser if Mr. Sikes gave the cabinet to him.
Councilman Glaser said that he hasn't given it to him yet.
Councilman Rotundo incorporated that a copy of the verbatim
minutes be sent with the letter to Starke. Councilman
Glaser seconded the motion.
Councilman Asting asked Councilman Glaser if Mr. Sikes turns
over that filing cabinet to you, are you going to keep it?
Councilman Glaser said that he would probably use it.
There was more discussion about this property being used
at Councilmen's homes. Councilman Rotundo stated that it
was approved at a Council meeting for him to use the filing
cabinet that he has.
Councilman Asting asked if all of the correspondence that
has been prepared so far will go along with this new letter?
Mayor Christy stated that the only thing that is not going
is the letter that states about the $1400.00.
John Gross, 404 North Riverside Drive was given the floor.
He asked if anyone was authorized to take home any of the
equipment?
Mayor Christy stated that it was authorized.
Robert Witzig, Queen Palm Drive ,was given the floor. He
stated that it was voted on last week to send a letter,
now it's being voted on again. Once it was voted on, why
wasn't it sent?
Mayor Christy explained that this was why the Special Meeting
was called. The attorney called and asked that the letter be
held until he could get together with the entire Council. It
was his recommendation at that meeting that we should offer
to pay back the amount that we received at the auction.
Frank Opal, Florida Shores was given the floor. He stated
that all the City is doing is sending a letter to Starke
saying that they will pay back what they received for this
property that was auctioned off. He is interested in all
the items that were put in the dump; who said to dispose
of these typewriters? He added that he agrees with the
letter that is being sent, it should of been done last week.
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Councilman Asting stated that Mr. Glaser took office on the
8th of November, 1979; it is almost the end of January 1980
and Mr. Sikes has not returned the filing cabinet that he
had. It doesn't look like he is in much of a hurry to return
it.
Mayor Christy stated that it was his understanding that this
was to be worked out between Mr. Sikes and Councilman Glaser.
Upon roll vote on the motion, said motion CARRIED 3-2.
Councilman Ledbetter and Councilman Asting voting NO.
Councilman Asting asked if the correspondence that we voted
on last week goes forward?
Mayor Christy stated that it does not.
Councilman Asting stated that if it doesn't go forward, he
will send copies of it himself.
Mayor Christy stated that he will not being doing it with
any consent of the Council.
There was some discussion about the motion on the letter that
was made last week, and this motion. The clerk was asked to
read the motion made this evening to the Council.
AUDIENCE MISCELLANEOUS
John Gross, 404 North Riverside Drive, spoke to the Council
about a letter that he had sent to the Council and some of
the boards requesting certain information. He said that
there is no such Ordinance or law giving anyone the authority
to collect money for copies made. He would like the Council
to consider returning his money and donating it to the Friends
of the Library. He also spoke to the Council about the
Industrial Road situation. He stated that Edgewater should
not be permitted to be destroyed and children's lives endangered
by stupid planning to benefit favored individuals. He would
like the information which he requested made available as soon
as possible and then he will take further action on it.
The City Clerk spoke to the Council about the information that
Mr. Gross has requested. He said that apparently we do not
have what Mr. Gross wants. He asked Mr. Siciliano if he has
the maps that are being discussed here.
Mr. Siciliano stated that he does not have Mrs. Massey's survey
or maps or anything, because that is private business. You can
get a legal description of anything that you want at the County
Courthouse in New Smyrna.
Mr. Gross stated that Mrs. Massey presented this at the meeting,
and he demands that it be made available for him.
The City Clerk stated that the Council is going to have to act
on this.
Mr. Siciliano stated that Mrs. Massey did not present any maps
to his knowledge; she explained her property.
Mayor Christy stated that according to our City Clerk we do not
have these maps in City Hall, so we can not give them to you.
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Mr. Siciliano stated that he would like to explain that
Mr. Gross attended this meeting and wanted Mrs. Massey
to explain her property. Most of the board turned this
down; stating that she didn't have to. To clear the air,
she explained where her property was. There was not any
presentation made.
The City Attorney stated that the City doesn't have this,
a law suit to get it would be a waste of money.
NEW BUSINESS
Interlocal Agreement with New Smyrna Beach - Mayor Christy
stated that the Council has a copy of a joint Resolution.
He asked if there are any objections to our attorney drawing
this up in our language?
Councilman Ledbetter made a motion that we instruct the
City Attorney to draw up a Resolution for the Interlocal
Agreement between New Smyrna and Edgewater, being seconded
by Councilman Asting. Upon roll call vote, said motion
CARRIED 5-0.
Application for 701 Grant - The City Clerk read the require-
ments for application for 701 assistance. These forms must
be completed by January 31, 1980.
Councilman Rotundo made a motion to have the attorney draw
up a Resolution in regard to this, being seconded by Council-
man Glaser. Upon roll call vote, said motion CARRIED, 5-0.
ADJOURNMENT
Councilman Rotundo made a motion to adjourn, being seconded by
Councilman Ledbetter. Upon roll call vote, said motion CARRIED
5-0.
Minutes submitted by:
Nancy Blazi
Debbie Sigler
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