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01-14-1980 - Regular -.- '... . ~ - u o IS CITY OF EDGEWATER CITY COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING ':S-' January 14, 1980 CALL TO ORDER Mayor Christy called the regular Council meeting to order at 7:00 P.M. in the Edgewater Community Center. ROLL CALL Mayor Robert H. Christy Councilman Louis J. Rotundo Councilman David C. Ledbetter Councilman William B. Glaser Councilman Neil J. Asting City Attorney Judson Woods City Clerk Joseph Herget Police Chief Earl Baugh Present Present Present Present Present Present Present Present INVOCATION Silent SALUTE TO FLAG APPROVAL OF MINUTES None BILLS AND ACCOUNTS Councilman Ledbetter made a motion to pay the bills. Councilman Rotundo seconded the motion. Upon roll call the motion CARRIED 5-0. VACATION OF 151 ALLEY ON BLOCK 16 FLA. SHORES LETTER FROM CHARLES A. HALL City Clerk Herget read the letter from Charles A. Hall representing Magnuson. The City Clerk also read the letter from Mr. and Mrs. Wright objecting to the vacation. Mr. Charles Hall, representing Magnuson, spoke to the Council about the utility pole in the middle of the alley and also the Wright's have access from Fern Palm. Councilman Glaser asked if the requested 160' would change the layout of the original parking lot. Mr. Earl Wallace said that the original plan was to vacate the entire alley, now they will only need 47 parking spaces. This will only remove three park- ing spaces on the Easterly side. City Attorney Woods stated that he felt it would be alright if Magnuson can guarantee the Wrights the rights for ingress and egress from Guava. Mr. Wallace stated that the alley would still be open as stated in the Map Book records. Mrs. Wright stated that they were not getting the right of way to Guava and they would not be able to get onto the alleyway. Councilman Asting asked Mrs. Wright if they received a legal document giving them the way out to Guava if that would be suitable. City Attorney Woods stated that the Wrights just wanted to be assured they can get to Guava. - 1 - '. . c u o. Mrs. Wright said that they had discussed this with the Magnuson Corp. but had not been able to reach an agreement. Mr. Hall said that there was a utility pole right in the middle of the easement and he did not think anybody would get any use out of it. The Wrights have adequate access to Fern Palm and they can still go around Guava and come back in the back if they so desire. They will have plenty of access and the Magnuson Corp. has, in fact, offered to give them an easement through their own parking lot. Magnuson certainly can't give them a private easement that would block off their own access. Councilman Asting asked if the Magnuson Corp. would be willing to give the Wrights a legally documented easement. Mr. Hall answered yes they would give them the easement through the parking lot but Magnuson could not block off the rights of any of the tenants in the building. Councilman Glaser said that now this request has been changed to the first 160' does that change the layout that was presented at the last meeting of the parking lot? Mr. Wallace said that they turned in a site plan proposal to the Council and indicated 50 parking spaces for this project. That was under the assumption that we would vacate the entire alleyway. With this new proposal, we will eliminate three easterly bound parking spaces along the right-of-way which gives a total parking of 47 which is a legal requirement for the size, based o~ the zoning for the size project. Councilman Glaser asked if the other property owners still had the 15' alley behind their property? Mr. Wallace said that their lots were 437 and 438 and the alley would start at 437 and go in a Northerly direction. Mr. Woods said that he believes the Council should require Magnuson to guarantee to the Wrights that they will have the right of ingress and egress over that whole strip. If they can draw up the appropriate document, I don't see any objection to vacating this section of the alleyway. ~r. ~esta said that ~aghuson-Corp. would work out an agreement fo~ an easement and grant the,Petersons the same consideration. Councilman Glaser ffiade a ~otion that tae Council vacate the alley per the request of Mr. Hall. Councilman Asting seconded the motion. Mr. Vasquez spoke to the Council concerning whether or not this was an alley or an easement. Mr. Woods said it was dedicated to the City. Upon roll call the motion to grant the vacation of 160' of the Alley in Block 16 of Florida Shores CARRIED 5-0. Mr. Woods said that Magnuson would sign a quit claim deed granting the right of ingress and egress over the property which would have to be described by legal metes and bounds description. Mayor Christy asked if the City would be responsible for any of this? Mr. Woods said that this would be a private grant of ingress and egress. 2 t. . , L o o The following will be typed verbatim This was requested by Councilman Asting. Ta- COMMUNICATIONS City Clerk Herget: Ok, first thing under Communications, Mr. Cameron would like to address the City Council and the citizens, with his affidavit that was requested by the Council last Monday night. Mayor Christy: Mr. Cameron. 1b- Mr. Cameron: My name is James Cameron at 1505 S. Riverside Dr. I have an affidavit here I would like to read at the request, it was requested by Mayor Christy. It's dated January 8th, 1980. (Mr. Cameron read his affidavit as per attached coPy, all Councilmen were given a copy of this affidavit prior to the meeting. A copy of this affidavit will be attached to the original minutes only) One enclosure - statement from J. R. Dills. And this affida- vit, I had sworn in front of a notary public and signed it. This statement from James R. Dills, on his stationery, dated January 8, 1980. (Mr. Cameron read Mr. Dills statement. all Councilmen were given a copy of this statement prior to the meeting. A copy of this statement will be attached to the original minutes only.) Mayor Christy: Thank you very much Mr. Cameron, next Mr. Herget. City Clerk Herget: Ok, next under communications, there is a proposed letter from Mayor Christy to the General Services Administration. The top is a cover letter from myself, subject: Report of Disposition of Surplus Government Property. (all Councilmen were given a copy of this report prior to the meeting. A copy of this report will be attached to the original minutes only) lid like to read the opening paragraph of the letter in each item and the comment with each item. Itls rather lengthy, there's 11 items in all. (all Councilmen were given a copy of these items prior to the meeting. A copy of these items will be attached to the original minutes only) I will now read... Mayor Christy: not audible City Clerk Herget: Enclosure 3, which pertains to item 11. Councilman Asting: I donlt have a copys of the enclosures. City Clerk Herget: 1111 get you one, but I thought you did. Mayor Christy: I thought everybody got those items. The tape is not audible at this point. Councilman Asting found his item list. The verbatim will now continue. City Clerk Herget: Enclosure 3, as it pertains to Generator Set 85C839458. This generator was forwarded to Tampa Armature Works Inc.. 3400 Bartlett Blvd., Tampa, Florida. Due to a mix-up in Serial Numbers, second utilization was requested for this generator. It was never the intention of the City of Edgewater to request or cannabilize this generator. This generator was repaired by Tampa Armature Works at a cost of $1,318.10. The generator is currently located at the City Garage. It is requested that the authorization for second utilization be removed and this item be placed into a controled status. This was placed into operation on December 20, 1979 for use. This generator is currently attached to one of the trailers referred to in items 2,3, and 4 and will be activated in case of an emergency within the City. Robert H. Christy, Mayor of City of Edgewater. Mayor Christy: Alright, gentlemen, you heard the reading of this communication What is the Council IS pleasure. Councilman Asting: We have some questions on the, I have some questions on the correspondence. Mayor Christy: Alright Mr. Asting. Councilman Asting: Item #1, what did the City pay the depot for this sweeper? Mayor Christy: $200 dollars. - 3 - " ~ , L o o Councilman Asting: Is that what we paid for it? Mayor Christy: Isn't that right Mr. Nichols? no reply audible Councilman Asting: The Steam Jennys and that, the trailers, what did we pay the depot for these items? Mayor Christy: Was that $35 dollars? City Clerk Herget: $37.50 each. Mayor Christy: $37.50 each Councilman Asting: $37.50 each, and there was 3 trailers and 3 steam cleaners! 3 trailers and 3 steam cleaners. The typewriters, how much did the City pay the stock depot for these typewriters? Mr. Nichols: $37.50 for the whole lot. Councilman Asting: Comment #8 the camera, who was the citizen that is qualified to make a judgement on this camera? Mayor Christy: Mr. Nichols, will you come up to the microphone? Mr. Nichols: James Nichols, 3039 Mango Tree Dr. I took this camera over to Orlando to Photo Lab Inc. They examined it and said they could not get parts for it, so I took the man's word for it and brought it back, if I had known this was coming I would have got an affidavit for every dadburn thing I done with it. But if the man said he couldn't get parts for it, I felt it was a bad buy. If it could have been repaired, it could have been utilized... Councilman Asting: Did you report that to, who did you report that to. It wasn1t.. . Mr. Nichols: I reported it to my supervisor at that time, which was Mayor Christy. Councilman Asting: Item #9 the pole climbers. We have one pair, lets see the aquisition cost was $97.96 , $97.16. We have recovered one pair, there's one pair missing. How much are we gonna have to pay for the missing pair, that1s not included. Mayor Christy: What were the original parts... Councilman Asting: If you divide the sum in half, it will come to about $40.. . City Clerk Herget: Thats, thats... Mayor Christy: Just a minute sir... Mr. Nichols: We paid $5 dollars per set. Mayor Christy: So, then if you paid $5, then we had to pay $5. There would be, we have the invoices, all of them in City Hall. Councilman Asting: So then,we would have to pay $5 dollars Mayor Christy: $5 dollars for that... Councilman Asting: $5 dollars there. Item #11. The City of Edgewater requested and received approval for utilization, cannibalization of this generator. When did we receive, when did we apply and when did we receive the approval for cannibalization? Mr. Nichols: We applied to that just before my resignation and I do not know when they received... Councilman Asting: And that was after the auction. Mr. Nichols: No. That was before... Mayor Christy: That was way before the auction about 4 months before the auction. ~ "_ " . , Q o Mr. Nichols: These generators, let me add a comment here on these generators since their so controversial. These generators from the time of purchase when I bought them, there was 4 of them, they were to be turned over in another week or two weeks to be sold at Public Auction at the start. So they dropped the price down on them. They were selling them at $500 dollars a unit and I figured I could get 2 or 3 and salvage them out of there and we would have at least a generator or 2 running in this City that we needed desperately. And that1s the story behing those generators and I do not feel that $1,000 dollars would be paid back to the U.S. Government on that i s too much money, if that i s the case , then I w 0 u 1 d 1 i k e to see a , cost estimate from GSA for the same type of generator, the same type of condition and average over GSA sales, because I receive GSA sales at home, also depot sales and I know what the price of this stuff is going for. Councilman Asting: Mr. Nichols, you bought one of those generators at the auction. Mr. Nichols: That is correct. Councilman Asting: If the City was to give you back your $50 dollars would you return the generator to the City? Mr. Nichols: If they'll come get it, cause 11m not paying no more tow charges to have that thing hauled around. I got $50 dollars in it plus $20 dollars moving charges on it. Now if the City wants it back, fine. Councilman Asting: Well, we would only want it back to so that it could be returned to the depot at Starke. Mr. Nichols: Personally, I don't think it should be returned, I think it should be fixed and used. I think its a repairable generator. Councilman Asting: Well then it would be worth more than $50 bucks. According to the this paragraph down here 1 at the bottom of the page. The total amount received at the Public Sale to include both City and Surplus Government Property amounted to $11 ,008 dollars~ Mr. Nichols: $1,000 Councilman Asting: $1.,108.50 I stand corrected. A good portion of that money was realized from the sale of a truck which sold for $50 dollars and that was City property, that was not surplus property. Councilman Ledbetter: I think that truck... Tape not audible several people talking. Councilman Asting: So on other items of City property that was sold, but I think that that's included in here, right? Mayor Christy: Yes sir. Councilman Asting: Now, I notice we have an enclosure here to this letter. The following has been verbatim from the tapes of the Council meeting of March 19, 1979. I have no further questions for you Mr. Nichols. Mayor Christy: Thank you Mr. Nichols. Councilman Asting: This really doesn't say very much at all, this doesn't in no way authorize any sale of Federal property and it speaks in one place of surplus property, but it doesn't specify Federal property. In this connection, I see that, I donltsee where it will have any bearing on the correspondence going to Starke, but in this connection, this does not relieve the Mayor from the responsibility of selling this property when he knew better, because he had signed an agreement, which I think all Councilmen have that specified the conditions under which the property was to be donated to the City and it further states that he certifies that he has read and understood the condition~ under which the property was donated and thats all included~in this copy of the agreement that came down from Starke. So I see no reason why this City should pay for the sale of this government property when the auctioneer knew the conditions under which it was given to the City and these conditions were violated by him and he should abide that he read and understood the conditions. That1s all I have. Mayor Christy: Thank you. Again, what is the Council's pleasure? ~Either payor we do not., What is the Council's pleasure? we - 5 - " {.) o Councilman Glaser: Are we down to anybody else~s nickel yet? I'd like to ask a couple of questions. Mayor Christy: Yes sir, Mr. Glaser. Councilman Glaser: I went throuah the record of the auction thats the sales record and I couldn't anywhere i~ there where the generator serial number with reference in a,nything that had to do with the sale. Couldn't find the reference to a serial number of the generator i.n. Mr. Cameron's affidavit nor in the letter from Mr. Dills and I wouldn't be in favor of forking out that $1,000 bucks ba~edon that, until we can verify that the generator that the gentleman has in his possession is that serial number. Voice in background not audible. Councilman Asting: I think that if you go through the copies of the invoices for the items of property issued to the City are not included in this correspondence, but if you go to City Hall, copies of the invoices are available and the generators are listed by serial numbers. Councilman Glaser: Yes sir, it's included in here that serial number, but what I'm saying is that... Tape changed at this point. 2-a Councilman Asting: And it was as Mr. Cameron testified, it was a surplus generator, Air Force surplus generator. Now how many generators did we draw from stock? Councilman Glaser: Well, all 11m saying is, I'm not in favor of forking out the $1,000 dollars until somebody can show us that the generator that the gentlemanhas:'.innis:possess;on.-;is:that serial number.' -~ If that's the case that's fine. Councilman Asting: Well, I think you'll find that it was. Councilman Glaser: Well, all somebody's gotta do is just provide the number and I'll be satisfied. Councilman Asting: Well, if youlll look at the, look at the invoices of the generators received from stock in City Hall, you'll see the serial numbers for all the generators issued listed on the invoices. Councilman Glaser: I understand that and... Councilman Asting: Ok, well what else do you want then? It was an Air Force Surplus generator that was to Cameron and he swore to an affidavit to that effect. Councilman Glaser: That's right, I understand that, but it doesn't seem like an insurmountable problem to see what the generator... Councilman Asting: The City is going to be held responsible, 11m sure by Starke for that generator that was sold. Councilman Glaser: That's great, I understand that. Councilman Asting: Ok, so somebody's gonna have to pay the $1,000 bucks and there are indications that Starke is gonna hold the cost of that generator or the value of that generator at a $1,000 dollars. Councilman Rotundo: Let me ask a question here. May 0 r C h r i sty : ~1 r. Rot u n do. Councilman Rotundo: This letter that, you are gonna forward this to Starke? City Clerk Herget: Only, this is a recommended letter, whatever the Council agrees to. Councilman Asting: And we've (not audible) City of Edgewater, I don't know whether that's correct or not because actually I as a Councilman, I know did not authorize the sale of any government or surplus property. You've been exposed to Federal property, your~ you work for NASA. You must realize the o o ~ ~ " Councilman Asting continued: importance placed on the safeguarding of government property. Right? Councilman Glaser: Right, but the Council didn't forbid em from selling government property, if you want to take the other tactic. Councilman Asting: Alright, if you want to take the other tactic, the permission to get property from Starke was taken in 1977. Mayor Christy went up there and signed the necessary papers. I came on the Council in 1978 and I had no idea that this existed. Did you know it existed? When you came on the Council, that you couldn't sell Federal property? Councilman Glaser: No, I didnlt know that. Councilman Asting: Ok, I didn't either. Did you know it Dave? And we nowherl in the minutes of the meeting of March 19th, 1979, did we say yes go ahead and sell all that stuff we, all that was talked about in here mostly was the truck that was down there that Dave wanted to get rid of and a lot of other property was brought in at the same time to be sold. Councilman Ledbetter: I was under the impression that this surplus stuff that we were getting was (word not audible) by the City of Edgewater from 'hearinq this one say we went to Starke we paid so much for this and so much for th~~ until Friday I didn't know the rules and regulations in the way the equipment was donated to the City, cause I had never been given a copy of it until the Council package come from City Hall last Friday evening. Councilman Asting: Well, again I refuse, refer you to, and I assure you, I think you read this didn't you Mr. Glaser? Councilman Glaser: Yes sir. Councilman Asting: And it specifies here that Mr. Christy certifies that he read and understood the conditions under which the property was given. Councilman Glaser: I understand that. Councilman Asting: And yet; the property was sold at, not necessarily just the one generator, there was other Federal property sold, overlooking the fact that Public record property was sold at that time also, illegally. Councilman Glaser: I don't think we're overlooking it, I think it's all written down here. Councilman Asting: Well question only one item. Councilman Glaser: Well, I had a question if that was alright. Councilman Rotundo: ~ot audible. ~ Why are we send this letter to Starke and let them decide what... Councilman Asting: Cause they won't make a judgement, theylll make a judge- ment against the City, as a whole and if they do then it's up to us to either payor repute it and I think that right now this letter is, this letter going up to Starke is placing the sole responsibility for the sale, the illegal sale of these items on the City and so a judgement if it went to court, according to this letter, 11m sure the judgement would be that the City pay. Councilman Rotundo: Again. Mr. Attorney what do you suggest? City Attorney Woods: I cannot offer you any judgement pro or con this will have to be a decision of the Council. Councilman Rotundo: Well, I don't want to pay either. but I still think this letter should be forwarded, I make this into a motion. Mayor Christy: Alright, I have a motion by Mr. Rotundo to... Councilman Rotundo: send this letter to Starke and let them, if they want to be reimbursed for their, for this property we will reimburse them, if they don't w~th the" agreement that's stated here, we'll take their stand, that's all. We can't begin to save money. - 7 - ~ ~ Q o Mayor Christy: I have a motion by Mr. Rotundo, do I have a second to the motion? To send this letter on to Starke. City Clerk Herget: Yea, but if Starke doesn't accept the letter... Mayor Christy: If Starke does not accept the letter, we intend to write it all down, did you get it? Councilman Rotundo: Well, if they don't accept what's only fair, they'll want their money. Mayor Christy: Right. Councilman Asting: They are gonna want money anyway Lou. Their gonna want money because they have already placed the value or they will place a value on this property. That, at least the service charges are gonna have to be given back to Starke and any monies on some of the items that were sold will have to be given, at the auction, will have to be given back also. It looks like we're gonna be paying probably around... Mayor Christy: $1,400 dollars. Councilman Asting: $1,400 dollars... Mayor Christy: $1,400 dollars, yes sir. Councilman Asting: And we realize $1,100 dollars from the sale. Councilman Rotundo: But we've also spent $1,300 to repair the other generator. Councilman Asting: Well, their not, they don't care about that. Mayor Christy: Yes they do! Councilman Glaser: I'd second your motion Louie, but I object to $1,000 for that generator, because how far do we have to track the thing, being sold, how many times, you know if the guy has paid $1,000 for it and turned around and sold it for $1,200 are we now responsible for kicking out the $1,200 bucks now: I mean, to me, that's asinine that we gotta track down how many times somethin~ has been sold and then the City's responsible for that, to me I just don't understand that way of thinking. Councilman Asting: What they're trying to do is determine a fair market value for the item and the fact that this one generator was resold for $1,000 places a fair market value on it. The person that bought the generator at the resale he's a dealer in heavy equipment and knew the value of it. Councilman Glaser: Would they have known that had they not received your letter? Would they have known that that generator was resold for $1,000? City Attorney Woods: Let me ask Mr. Nichols something. You said they were selling those generators for how much? Mr. Nichols: These generators were set off to the side out of the usual area. They have a certain area that this stuff sits in. They were cleaning up the yard, they were moving these out, they hadn't sold em, they set there for a long time. The average price on a generator up there now, I don't care if it'~ 100KW or 1000KW, whatever it is, it's usually around $500 to $900. They had knocked that price down to $50 each, because they were gonna be sold at a Public Auction there in Starke within a few weeks. And I figured if we could get one or two or all three or all four going, we would be so far ahead it's ridiculous there is no where that your gonna buy a 15KW generator today for $1,300, if you do let me know, cause I'll wanna go buy em, cause I'll make me some money. The other generators, I figured certain amounts to be paid for it to fix these generators. Councilman Asting: I'll tell you this, I went up Mr. Dills establishment and I looked at the generator that he had bought from Cameron and its operable believe me it is and its a beautiful Cummings Deisel engine. He sold the generator. Mr. Nichols: It was not operable... Councilman Asting: And now he's asking if you want to know what the value of it might be, he's asking $5,300 for it. - Q - "j o o Mr. Nichols:. Sir, live got to argue a little bit with you there because I go to these surplus sales. I buy from em and I resale. And if I go to an auction and somebody over here is bidding $50 and I bid $100 and he goes $150 and it goes out of my price range or what I want to pay for that article right then and there, that's the going -price of it not the second time it's sold, not the third time it's sold because that engine was taken out and tore apart and reworked. Councilman Asting: No it was not. It was sold for $1,000 as is. Mr. Nichols: Now he wants $5,400 and... Councilman Asting: Yes, he didn't work on, the person that bought it, I told you was a heavy equipment dealer. Mr. Nichols: Thats right, but he worked on it. Councilman Asting: And he, but he now look at the price. The price is up to $5,300. Mr. Nichols: Sir when you go, I can show you, how many would you like me to deliver. live brought em down to these Councils here so they can go bid on this stuff. I can stack your desk that high with... Councilman Asting: You know, if you wanted tn pay $150 for an item and some- body else bid $200 and buys i.t for $200 it means that that fair market value at that time is $200. Mr. Nichols: That's what I'm trying to say out here at the sale. Councilman Asting: Yes, true, but then it was resold for $1,000... . Mr. Nichols: Well, now we can't go... Councilman Asting: As is... Mr. Nichols: We can't keep playing afro poker... Councilman Asting: As is. because.. . Mr. Nichols: We can't be afro poker... Councilman Asting: As is because the person that sold the generator. ..the person that sold the generator... Mayor Christy: Alright gentlemen, one at a time... Councilman Asting: Didn't know what he was selling. Mayor Christy: Alright Mr. Rotundo. Councilman Rotundo: Neil, like he was saying at any, it would go on Public Auction up there, if that item was sold for $100 up there and say another contractor got it and he bought it and he resold it, then what? Councilman Asting: Well, Lou, the point is that Mr. Nichols says that they were gonna be sold at a Public Auction up there, we don't know what the price would have been what they would have sold for at the Public Auction to start. Mr. Nichols: It isn't no $1,000! Councilman Asting: We don't know. It's very possible because the guy that bought the thing said in his statement if you listen that the it was worth $1,000 when he bought it from Cameron and it hasn't decreased in value at all. So he gave Cameron a $1,000... Councilman Rotundo:It's' alright for the government to make the auction, its not '.alright for the City of Edgewater to... Councilman Asting: Hell no, because it's the governments property Lou, it belongs to the government. If, "it doesn't belong to the City it never did belong to the City. It was loaned to the City. Councilman Rotundo: When we paid for it. - q - , , " o o Councilman Asting: No. We did not pay for it, we did not buy it. What we paid was for a service charge. Mr. Nichols: We paid a service charge... Councilman Asting: A handling charge... Mr. Nichols: Let me give you a brief on this thing. The Federal government building donates prope~ty to the State of Florida. The State of Florida is therefore goes and picks it up. I don't care whether it's in Honolulu jf they want it they go to Honolulu and bring it back. If they figure, weill say they went to Miami to pick a generator up to bring it back (not audible). They figure the cost of the driver the fuel the truck and everything down there and back and this is what they put on as a service charge. Councilman Asting: Its not what the item is worth. Mr. Nichols: The aquisition cost is A/C that you see on there is the cost of the item when it was purchased new. So you really can't go by that. Councilman Asting: I will say this that this letter when it goes to Starke in turn will probably referred to the Federal Authorities in Atlanta for their decision Starke" I don1t think Starke will make the decision. Well we have a motion on the floor. Mr. Nichols: I would advise the Council on one thing, I wouldn't go in there and put a dime in there. I would make my statement of what youlve done with the property and then let them set the value of it donlt let this Council set the value of it. Councilman Asting: There is so many mis-statements been made on two previous lettersto Starke that I don't know whether theylll believe us now or not. Mr. Nichols: Well there's only one way to find out. Councilman Glaser: If you want to make your motion Louie and make it with a $100 bucks for that generator, 1111 second it, but I can't see us being responsible for the resale of an item by somebody else and have to fork out the money for it and 11m against it. Councilman Rotundo: Well how are we gonna do this. It says here the resale of this generator (not audible). Councilman Glaser: The sale of the item from the City to whoever bought it was for $100 bucks and that's what we should be responsible for. Councilman Rotundo: It says generator number 660121 sold for $100. Councilman Glaser: The' generator that the City sold was for $100. Councilman Asting: You can make a correction there, 11m not responsible, you can make the, you said we are responsible for it, 11m not responsible because I had nothing to do with the, I didn't even attend the auction I didnlt even know the conditions under which we received this Federal property, so I don't feel that 11m part of this thing. Councilman Glaser: Ok, well someone is responsible for it, but I don't feel like... Councilman Rotundo: In other words you want to delete the $1,000 that's on here? Councilman Glaser: Yea... Councilman Rotundo: That Mr. Dills paid... Councilman Glaser: That's right, I don't feel like the City, when something is resold and somebody buys it at a auction and turns around and sells it, I don't care if he sells it the same day, but I don't see where the City should be held responsible and have to fork out that money. Now to me that's a little less than bright. Councilman Rotundo: Well, Dave will get a letter... Councilman Asting: Well... - 10 - .., .. o (.) City Clerk Herget: Can I interject something... Councilman Asting: A person made the City responsible. Councilman Glaser: Well, 1111 ask the question again. Had you not written the letter to Starke, would they have known that the generator was resold for $1,000? Councilman Asting: No, they wouldn't, but hell I'm not gonna cover up any- thing. Councilman Glaser: Well, who's asking you to cover it up? Councilman Asting: Your saying if I hadnlt written it, your implying that I shouldn't have written the letter. Councilman Glaser: Hey the problem is, no 11m not, well you shouldn't have. Councilman Asting~ The hell I shouldnlt. Councilman Glaser: Well why should you? You wrote it as a City Councilman, but were you authorized by the rest of the Council? Councilman Asting: Who's gonna stop me from doing it, I wrote it on my own stationery on my own typewriter I paid my own postage and I am a Councilman. Councilman Glaser: Well thatls great. Councilman Asting: We 11 whols gonna stop me from writing it? Councilman Glaser: Nobody. . . Councilman Asting: I III write a letter to anybody I please. Councilman Glaser: But you imply in there that your speaking for the City. Councilman Asting: No, I do not, I do not, youi'read the letter nowhere do I imply that 11m speaking for the City Council, no way, 11m speaking as an individual Councilman. Councilman Glaser: What does your last statement say in the letter? It says. Councilman Asting: The City Council, I felt that the City should of Edgewater should not be responsible. Councilman Glaser: No, you said the City Council... Councilman Asting: No, I didnlt say that. Councilman Glaser:': did not authorize the sale of... Councilman Asting: Alright I said that, and that's the truth, thatls the truth. The City Council did not authorize the sale. Ok, but you were speaking for the Council. Councilman Glaser: Councilman Asting: Councilman Glaser: Councilman Asting: Councilman Glaser: Councilman Asting: Councilman Glaser: auction... Councilman Asting: Councilman Glaser: Councilman Asting: Councilman Glaser: I was not, I was speaking aSl'a Councilman... I want to read your words literally... Yea read em, go ahead and read em. Well, 1111 just... Read em. What it says is the City Council did not authorize and that is the truth... Well, that... that's a true statement... That can be a matter of opinion... - 11 - . " o o Councilman Asting: And there is nothing in the City Charter anywhere that prohibits me from writing a letter... Councilman Glaser: I know that, but what 11m saying is that... Mayor Christy: Sir we are not, we're still with the people here. Sir please. Councilman Glaser: Can't we argue among ourselves? Background voice not audible. Councilman Asting: I should think you'd be more cognizance of the responsi- bilities that we all have as the Federal property goes... Councilman Glaser: Well if you want to go that far, then how come nobody else was aware that... Councilman Asting: correspondence thE Because probably nobody else took the time to read the distribution. .. Councilman Glaser: Thatls true, and I mean if w~re the City Council... Councilman Asting: You was content to let the letter from the General Services Administration go through, I wasn't, because there~ something wrong there, that's why I questioned it. Councilman Glaser: Ok, but... Councilman Asting: ~u were content to let it go through. Councilman Glaser: that the City Council is responsible then we should have not. . . Councilman Asting: I did not say the City Council was responsible. I said the City Council did not authorize the sale of Federal property and the City Council did not authorize the sale of City of Federal property. Councilman Glaser: But the fact that it was done, the City Council should have known it, if you want... Councilman Asting: How should we know it? Councilman Glaser: Well why wasn't... Councilman Asting: There was only one person knew it. that knew it, Mayor Christy Councilman Glaser: Why didn't we ask for a list of everything that was being auctioned off? Councilman Asting: Why should we? Councilman Glaser: Well, I mean, why didn't you? Councilman Asting: Why didn't you ask for one? Councilman Glaser: Well I wasn't here at the time. Councilman Asting: Well I wasn't I was on the Council, but I had no knowledge of the conditions under which this property had to be handled. Mayor Christy: Alright gentlemen, Mr. Rotundo, Mr. Glaser made a request. Councilman Rotundo: Ok, I withdraw my motion. Mayor Christy: Well, we're gonna have to have a motion one way or another, either youse, we1ve gotta send some kind of information to Starke. Councilman Glaser: I'd be willing to say that the item was sold for $100 arid that's what we are responsible for. Mayor Christy: Are you making that into a motion? Councilman Glaser: 1111 make that as a motion. - ,? - .'J ~. ,'" o o Mayor Christy: I have a motion by Mr. background voice not audible. Mayor Christy: I have a motion by Mr. Glaser. The amendment to change that part $1,000 to $100. Now do I have a second to that motion? Councilman Rotundo: It 'says here that resale of the generator of the City will accept $100? Mayor Christy: Yea instead of $1,000. Councilman Glaser: What I meant was, that we don't even talk of the resale of the item, the item was auctioned off for $100 that's what the City received for it. Mayor Christy: Please gentlemen, let's find out what the Council wants. City Clerk Herget: Can I say something? Mayor Christy: Mr. Herget. City Clerk Herget: I understand what your saying Mr. Glaser, but the point I wanna bring out so that everybody knows. You can say what you want to about that generator but Mr. Causey's got a file sitting on his desk and in that file there's a letter saying that generator sold for $1,000 attached to this is a statement from Mr. Cameron stating that he sold that generator for $1,000 Now Mr. Causey has already said eyeball to eyeball that through the short amount time involved that $1,000 is a fair market value, if the City does not agree to make restitution in that amount, I could be wrong, but I don't think this letter is gonna fly very far. Thats just the way it works. You could say donlt address it, but they know what that generator sold for, it's and they want to get the whole value back again. Councilman Glaser: Well, let me say this now, if they can, if somebody will come up with a serial number on that generator that the guys got... Mayor Christy: Please out there. Councilman Glaser: Then I'll make a motion for the letter to go like it is. Mayor Christy: Alright. The way it is then. Councilman Rotundo: I'll second the motion. Mayor Christy: Alright then it will be a motion made by Mr. Glaser, Mr. Cameron will you please get us the number of that genertor. Mr. Cameron: No. Mayor Christy: Alright 11m just asking you to do it sir, 11m not asking for no story. I have a motion on the floor sir... Mr. Cameron: Ok, you want that answer? I ain't gonna give you nothing Christy and I don't have the serial number. Mayor Christy: Alright thatls all I want to know, if you don't want to give it. . . Mr. Cameron: not audible) stating I was in the presence of Mr. Asting, the true value of this engine without the generator, is for $5,300. Mayor Christy: Sir we're asking... Councilman Asting: We do have the serial number of that generator, it was sold, you have it in City Hall on the invoice, if you want to see the invoice with the serial number Mr. Glaser, go to City Hall. ~1ayor Christy: Mr. Glaser... Councilman Glaser:: I allready have a copy of it. Mayor Christy: Mr. Glaser wants an army affidavit this is his statement. Councilman Glaser: Right there is the serial number of the item. 1 .., ':::/ .> ' ,. o o Councilman Asting: Ok then why do you press it? Councilman Glaser: Well that was what the City, the City paid the service charge for that generator to the surplus join up in up there, and it says on a piece of paper. that the auction that it was auctioned off. A generator was auctioned off for $100, but it doesn't have a serial number down there, ther'e no serial number on the affidavit... Councilman Asting: generator and Air Force surprrus generator, how many Air Force generators did we get from Starke? Mr. Nichols: We got 4. Councilman Asting: No, One was an Army generator, where did the others come from, do you know Joe? City Clerk Herget: No. Councilman Asting: Weill have to go to Starke for that. Councilman Rotundo: Is the generator in question is number 660121? Councilman Asting: I don't recall, I don't have that. Mayor Christy: Mr. Nichols. City Clerk Herget: Yes sir 660121. Councilman Rotundo: That's all I want to know. Councilman Asting: That's the one that was sold to Cameron for $100. Councilman Rotundo: Is that the one that's in question? Mayor Christy: Mr. Glaser, I would like to express to you, the one generator we have over there at the barn or garage, we have that serial number now, the one that Mr. Nichols has has given us his serial number arid the other generator that's sitting out there in the yard, we have that generator number so the only generator left is that one that Mr. Cameron has. Councilman Glaser: Ok, that's fine. Mayor Christy: That satisfy you. Councilman Glaser: No, the City sold the generator, ok, for $100 bucks. Mayor Christy: You want the affidavit to read with the serial number, is that correct? Councilman Glaser: Yea, that's it, I don't see any big problem. Mayor Christy: I don't either. Is that legal? City Attorney Woods: I'm satisfied yea. Mayor Christy: Alright now I have a motion by Mr. Glaser seconded by Mr. Rotundo. Question on the motion Mr. Rotundo? Councilman Rotundo: No question. Mayor Christy: Mr. Ledbetter? Councilman Ledbetter: My question is, your voting to spend unappropriated money at this point, because of this thing up now. Thereis nothing in the budget to cover this $1,400 up and that is strictly unappropriated money. Mayor Christy: Mr. Attorney? City Attorney Woods: If it hasn't been appropriated, that's correct you don't have the funds. Mayor Christy: What is the procedure of getting them. City Attorney Woods: Well, your gonna have to make an appropriation for it. - 14 _ . :) ~, .. o o . ! ~ Mayor Christy: In other words, in the budget, your gonna have to readjust the budget to... City Attorney Woods: You'll have to make a special appropriation. Mayor Christy: And it can be done? City Attorney Woods: With the approval of the Council. Mayor Christy: Alright. Mr. Glaser? Councilman Glaser: I have no more questions. Mayor Christy: Mr. Asting? Councilman Asting: I object to the City of Edgewater being my objection is that the letter implies the City of Edgewater is responsible for the legal sale of the surplus property, and I do not think that the City is responsible. Mayor Christy: Audience? Mr. Gross then Mr. Opal. Mr. Walter Gross: My name is Walter Gross, I live at 909 Lake Ave. in Edgewater. I have a few questions I'd like to ask. The first one is Mr. Glaser. Mr. Glaser you keep asking Mr. Cameron to give you the name of the generator, why don't you ask the auctioneer what the number of the generator was that he sold to Mr. Cameron. Councilman Glaser: Ok, what was the serial number? Mr. Gross: I think that's the proper place to ask a question. Councilman Glaser: Ok. Mr. Gross: The City sold the generator, what was the number of it? Councilman Glaser: That proves that we sold a generator. Mr. Gross: Now, number 2. Back last year we sent a representative from this 2-b City to Starke to buy (change tape) of a lot of individual materials, we got a bag of typ~ old typewriters parts we got a bag of lights we got an old camera we got all these things, who requested this or was a certain party on order to go and realize these donations, can anyone answer that? Who is responsible for what we got at the surplus store? Mayor Christy: Mr. Nichols can you answer that for us. Mr. Nichols: I went up and purchased most of these items I also went to the different department heads and asked them what they need. I also went to the different department heads and begged them to go to Starke so that they could get these items instead of trying to rely through me. We had no guidelines we had nothing. Mr. Gross: You just went out here on your own and you saw a bag of typewriter parts and you said I guess we'll take that and you took the lights and you took the camera but no one in this Council said Mr. Nichols go up we need this or we need that. Is that right? Mr. Nichols: No one in the Council said so. Mr. Gross: No one said... Mr. Nichols: The generators were bought because I had them in my budget for generators. Mr. Gross: But they weren't used in your budget though, they weren't used for what you bought em for. Mr'. Nichols: Well I can't help that... Mr. Gross: Did you know the value of the generator the one that Mr. Cameron bought, did you know the value of that when you bought it what it would be worth to the City. Mr. Nichols: Yes. - 1 5 - . ~ '" .. . '" o o Mr. Gross: Did you know that Mr. Christy was going to sell that at an auction: Mr. Nichols: No, not when I bought it. Mr. Gross: Donlt you think it would have been your responsibility to say to Mr. Christy, gee Mr. Christy this generators worth a $1,000 I wouldnlt sell that at an auction. Mr. Nichols: That auction went over, I resigned and 11m not gonna come back after I resigned and do something for this City. I'~e had it with this City. live worked my rear off for this City. I have spe~ gasoline, my own personal time doing stuff for this City and this what 11m getting out of it, fine anything this City wants out of me from now on they pay. Mr. Gross: You Ire telling me that you picked that generator because it was a lot more money that you thought the City was gonna be responsible. Mr. Nichols: I picked that generator for one reason, if we could get it repaired, I could convince this Council to repair it and go into my next budget year and get the money to have it repaired, live had it repaired, live had it sitting right out here so it would power this building and that building over there but it did not happen. Mr. Gross: Would you have allowed that (not audible) generator to be sold at auction for $100 dollars? Mr. Nichols: I wouldnlt have allowed it. Mr. Gross: But you went up there on your own and thatls what 11m trying to bring out here, without any responsibility from the Council, did you know that the government did not allow that material to be sold that it had to be used for a year did anyone know that here, when it was brought into the City. Councilman Asting: Only Mayor Christy. Mr. Gross: Did Mayor Christy know it? Councilman Asting: He did, he signed a statement to that effect. He certifieo that he read and understood the conditions and therels a copy of it here, Mr. Gross. Mr. Gross: No one else on the Council was interested in to decide whether that material should have been sold or I know... Councilman Asting: I wasnlt on the Council at that time. Mr. Gross: I understand that, ,but it was known the fact that that material should not have been sold at an auction, it should have been used in the City. Is that right? Councilman Asting:By the Mayor yes. Mr. Gross: Thank you. Mayor Christy: Thank you. ~1r. Opal. Mr. Opal: Frank Opal Florida Shores. I notice, well live noted here this evening that welve had some kind of arrangement its back since 1977 and the Council is not even aware of what was really transpiring. I realize what it can be and I reckon I know what it is and 11m gonna contact Starke, Florida and Atlanta Georgia myself. I have an idea. Now I read the letter that our Mayor got from Mr. Causey from Starke, Florida speaking of the items that are given to the City by way of a service charge for a period of 1 year. You donlt use em you return em arid it cost the nothing. Somehow, after all I hear in the City about certain people know everything thats going on and then go ahead and sell all this Federal property at an auction. Mr. Mayor, 11m sure, you knew that was Federal property. 11m positive of that and 1111 find out because 1111, 11m gonna go personally to Starke myself at my own expense and 1111 locate Mr. Causey. I read the letter, it seemed you didnlt want anybody here in the City to know, I didnlt know until it was brought up here. Then I went in to read the .letter and 11m sure thjs Council did not give you any kind of authority to purchase or even previously prior to the buying stuff and then selling it. Lord knows, 1111 bet therels a lot of stuff that even took a walk, nobody knows where it went to, no forwarding address. I know how that surplus stuff gets around, but somehow just from what I learned here, one man accidentally when he returned he happen- ed to see the letter. 'h . ., .~ .~ ... .. o o Mr. Opal continued: He got on to something. I realize too, 11m on to something too because 11m gonna find out... Mayor Christy: Thank you Mr. Opal... Mr. Opal: But if this Council votes to pay anything that you... Mayor Christy: Will you please sit down your 3 minutes are up. Mr. Opal: No. You donlt have to tell me to sit down, I just... Mayor Christy: 11m gonna ask you one more time and then 11m gonna have you escorted out. Mr. Opal: I just don't want this Council to be paying anything for you. For you stupid. Mayor Christy: ~11 r. Op a 1 0 u t . Will you please sit down. Chief escort Thank you. Roll call please. him, please escort City Clerk Herget: Councilman Rotundo. Councilman Rotundo: Yes. City Clerk Herget: Councilman Ledbetter. Councilman Ledbetter: No. City Clerk Herget: Councilman Glaser. Councilman Glaser: Yes. City Clerk Herget: Councilman Asting. Councilman Asting: No, and I would like to go forward with all its enclosures. to add that I want this correspondence City Clerk Herget: Mayor Christy. Mayor Christy: Yes. Next on the Agenda. Councilman Asting: Excuse me Mayor, lid like to inject something here. Mayor Christy: Alright. Councilman Asting: I would like the minutes up to this point verbatim. END OF VERBATIM MINUTES. - 17 - .t I o o City Clerk Herget read the letter from K.C. Bosse concerning sewer connectionJ This was read for Council information only no action was taken. City Clerk Herget read the letter from T. A. Wadsworth concerning pipe utilization. This was read for Council information only no action was taken. City Clerk Herget read the letter from the Department of Natural Resources concerning the' boating zone. This was read for Council information only no action was taken. City Clerk Herget read the letter from the School Board thanking the City for the donation. This was read for Council information only no action was taken. City Clerk Herget read the letter from Mr. Horace King Sr., resigning from the Board of Governors. Councilman Asting made a motion to accept the resignation and send a letter of appreciation. Councilman Ledbetter seconded the motion. Upon roll call the motion CARRIED 5-0. City Clerk Herget read the letter from Mr. Don Travis, resigning from the Bo~rd of Governors. Councilman Ledbetter made a motion to accept the resignation and send a letter of appreciation. Councilman Rotundo seconded the motion. Upon roll call the motion CARRIED 5-0. City Clerk Herget read the letter from the City Clerk concerning Board vacancies. Mr. Richardson, Industrial Bd. and Mr. Dean Board of Governors. Councilman Asting made a motion that both gentlemen be appointed to the Boards as recommended. Councilman Glaser seconded the motion. Upon roll call the motion CARRIED 5-0. Agenda for January 21, 1980, appointment to the Board of Governors. COORDINATORS REPORT Councilman Rotundo said that the Pol ice Dept. has $1,800 of Federal Revenue money, which will go for radar. The specifications have been submitted. Chief Baugh stated that he had quoted $1,120, he has spoken with a sales representative and has gotten the price down to $1,070. Councilman Rotundo made a motion that the radar be purchased for $1,070, for the Police Department from Federal Revenue Sharing. Councilman Glaser seconded the motion. Mr. Witzig asked if the City is getting convictions in court? Chief Baugh said yes. Upon roll call the motion CARRIED 5-0. Councilman Rotundo asked if the Animal Ordinance would be discussed anytime soon. It was decided to discuss this under Old Business for the Agenda of Jan. 21st and a decision would be made on Jan. 28th at the Council meeting. Councilman Ledbetter no report. Councilman Glaser no report. Councilman Asting no report. Mayor Christy called for a 10 minute break. Back to order. - 18 - .::. .. .J o o City Attorney Woods asked Council permission to table the sign ordinance until next Monday. He stated that a hearing will be held tomorrow on Ormond Beach and he wanted to see the ruling on this. Councilman Asting made a motion to grant the attorney's request. Councilman Ledbetter seconded the motion. Upon roll call the motion CARRIED 5-0. 3-a City Clerk Herget no report. Mayor Christy spoke to the Council about his appointment to the Legislative Committee of the Florida League of Cities. The committee will meet February 14th and 15th, registration fee will be $25.00. Mayor Christy asked the Council's permission to attend this in Tallahassee. Councilman Ledbetter made a motion to send the Mayor to Tallahassee to raise some hell up there. Councilman Rotundo seconded the motion. Mayor Christy will get the figure that was spent last year and go by that. Upon roll call the motion CARRIED 5-0. RESOLUTIONS City Attorney Woods read Resolution 80-R-128. A RESOLUTION GRANTING A VARIANCE TO CARRIE t1cCARGAR ON CERTAIN REAL PROPERTY LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY OF EDGEWATER, FLORIDA; REPEALING ALL RESOLUTIONS IN CONFLICT HEREWITH AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Councilman Asting made a motion to accept this resolution. Councilman Glaser seconded the motion. Upon roll call the motion CARRIED 5-0. City Attorney Woods read Resolution 80-R-129. A RESOLUTION APPOINTING KATHLEEN H. CORNELIUS AS EMPLOYEE REPRESENTATIVE TO THE EDGEWATER MERIT BOARD, OF THE CITY OF EDGEWATER, FLORIDA; REPEALING ALL RESOLUTIONS IN CONFLICT HEREWITH AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Councilman Asting made a motion to adopt this resolution. Councilman Glaser seconded the motion. Upon roll call' the motion CARRIED 5-0. City Attorney Woods read Resolution 80-R-130. A RESOLUTION APPOINTING LILLIAN D. BOND-NELSON TO THE EDGEWATER LIBRARY BOARD, OF THE CITY OF EDGEWATER, FLORIDA; ADDITIONALLY REAPPOINTING MARY RICE, JEANETTE DUDLEY, LORETTA SHAFER AND JEAN HAUGHWOUT TO THE EDGEWATER LIBRARY BOARD; REPEALING ALL RESOLUTIONS IN CONFLICT HEREWITH AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Councilman Ledbetter made a motion to accept this resolution. Councilman Asting seconded the motion. Upon roll callthe motion CARRIED 5-0. City Attorney Woods read Resolution 80-R-131. A RESOLUTION APPOINTING FRANK WRONIAK TO THE EDGEWATER PLANNING BOARD, OF THE CITY OF EDGEWATER, FLORIDA; REPEALING ALL RESOLUTIONS IN CONFLICT HEREWITH AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Councilman Rotundo made a motion to accept this resolution. Councilman Ledbetter seconded the motion. Upon roll call the motion CARRIED 5-0. ORDINANCES Ordinance 79-0-25 will be tabled until next week. City Attorney read Ordinance 80-0-41. (First reading). AN ORDINANCE GRANTING A CHANGE IN ZONING ON CERTAIN REAL PROPERTY IN THE CITY OF EDGEWATER, FLORIDA NOW OWNED BY DOUGLAS COLE FROM ITS PRESENT ZONING CLASSI- FICATION OF FPL AND 1-1 TO THE R-4 MULTI-FAMILY DISTRICT; REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT HEREWITH AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. . Councilman Asting 'made a motion to adopt this ordinance. Councilman Rotundo seconded the motion. Upon roll call the motion CARRIED 5-0. - 1 q - ... . . u <.) OLD BUSINESS Councilman Ledbetter made a motion to have the Council meeting every other week starting the 1st Monday in February. Workshops will be held Thursday before the meeting at 7:00 P.M. Councilman Glaser seconded the motion. Upon roll call the motion CARRIED 5-0. AUDIENCE MISCELLANEOUS Mr. Witzig of Queen Palm Drive, complained about having to hookup to water. Mr. Murry Rochford, 1805 Needle Palm, asked the Council about the dust problem on Needle Palm Drive. Mayor Christy stated that on January 28th there would be a paving presentation. We may be able to put shell on the roads. Mr. Rochford asked the Council about the 200 lbs of calcium chloride. Councilman Ledbetter stated that D.E.R. does not want this substance used. This will be checked out. Councilman Glaser said that he spoke to the D.O.T. on approved methods for dust control, chloride is one of them. Councilman Rotundo said that this was bad for cars. Mr Rochford said that it would be better to breath. 3-b The City Clerk will check with Mr. Copeland about this. Councilman Asting said if the City does decide to sell this, it should be available to all citizens. Mayor Christy said that Council would decide next week if they would sell this or not. Mr. Richard Cole asked about the safety of children with this on the road? City Attorney Woods will check with D.E.R. Mr. Witzig said that c the City should utilize the calcium chloride, they should not sell it but use it where it is most needed. Mayor Christy said that something would be done to eliminate this problem. NEW BUSINESS Mayor Christy asked if February 16th would be agreeable to the Council to have the Water Plant Open House at 1 :00 P.M. The Council was agreeable to this. Councilman Asting asked about the letter concerning Highland Shores. City Attorney Woods said that there was no problem on this. ADJOURN Councilman Asting made a motion to adjourn. Councilman Ledbetter seconded the motion. Meeting adjourned Minutes submitted by Nancy Blazi Donna Prevatt - 20 - '~ - . o o .-- ~~~~_/6 ? Mayor ~~ ____ -----:. > =-1<- ~ounc ~I!!an , C " 2~f?jg · tv .~. (:i1,ALA- Councilman '~~ ) , - , councilman' . 7 ATTEST: '4~ C(j y Cl erk Approved thi sJ<t-r~day of January, 1980. - 21 - ~, , '72r--'$ / tu-1 ~